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Bugpowder: coinbase became like a real company and shit
Bugpowder: (not that that is a big thing)
BingoBoingo: Honeslty it is probably worth an amount such that you yourself would have to pay to get an honest answer
mircea_popescu: not that, really, but anyway. seriously pizzaman1337, it's impossible to make a definitive call like that in the current circumstance.
mircea_popescu: we're not imo in dangerous territory, and that's all i care about.
pizzaman1337: ok, just curious
mircea_popescu: mkt can take it from here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC
mircea_popescu: i did have the "ppl stop buying" post prepared, but it never got there, so... crisis averted.
xoinfinityox: god damn btc is the wild west
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.06281 = 6.281 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: xoinfinityox it is. and who are you ?
Bugpowder: friend of mine
xoinfinityox: whats up man
xoinfinityox: i'm painfully new to all this
KRS|Gotyawallet: mircea_popescu: I was wondering about a follow-up on that one, much time has passed in btc time.
KRS|Gotyawallet: "stop buying bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: i thought we just covered that.
mircea_popescu: moving on, did i mention body stockings are kinda cool ? they should put this in seventeen or w/e kids read, "if you don't own a coupla good ones you're no woman"
mircea_popescu: "make sure you get the crotchless variants"
mircea_popescu: i'm not sharing
truffles: random one
truffles: from internet
xoinfinityox: lmgtfy
mircea_popescu: hahaha nice one ozzy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.06282 = 0.6282 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: :((
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 275787 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 404 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1177706524.89 | Estimated Percent Change: 29.65326
mircea_popescu: holy shit look at that, 30% almost
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: sipa charts are off the hook
mircea_popescu: i wonder what will be the peak diff.
mircea_popescu: 10^20 ? 10^25 ?
mircea_popescu: 10^15 maybe, tho that seems improbable
Bugpowder: 2.5PH/s gain in 2 weeks
mircea_popescu: and nobody is doing this, practyically, acoupla noname shops
Bugpowder: how many total computational power of the worlds is that
Bugpowder: (excluding bitcoin miners)
mircea_popescu: what will it look like when the miner producers dominate the silicon industry on the ground, and are like 5 of the top 20 corps on mpex
mircea_popescu: which by now of course does more in a day than the fiat stock exchanges combined in a week
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder an impressive chunk, no matter how you look at it.
ozbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00090519 = 20.1857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.0009089 = 9.907 BTC [+]
xoinfinityox: @mircea - good article. this might be a dumb Q but whats the danger of controlling interest in BTC?
mircea_popescu: it may be dumb, but i don't get what it is asking ?
xoinfinityox: you talk about a 51% attack
xoinfinityox: what is that?
mircea_popescu: a 51% attack is the situation where one party controls a majority of mining.
xoinfinityox: why is that dangerous in a BTC context?
mircea_popescu: that party can then do some nefarious choosing in the transactions that get accepted and then rolled back
mircea_popescu: resulting in untrustworthy btc conveyance for as long as their 51% position lasts
mircea_popescu: can of course does not equal will, but giving that sort of an option to anyone is anathema to the bitcoin philosophy and the expectations built around it.
xoinfinityox: gotcha
xoinfinityox: @monolithik thx
mircea_popescu: yeah, the stack exchange link is on point.
xoinfinityox: i gotcha, they can get out in front of the actual chain
mircea_popescu: we're roughly past the point where this is feasible, which is one of the major things tghat changed since back in spring.
monolithik: network consolidation is definitely a problem. Best case scenario IMO: ASIC development hits the point where an increase in ghash/watt would be reducible to a general improvement in human knowledge of semiconductors. At that point bitcoin ASICs will become commoditized like Intel CPUs, and the distribution of hashpower would settle to some equilibrium where power was not too widely concentrated
mircea_popescu: monolithik i tell you, it's when upscale bathrooms come with miners in the tile
mircea_popescu: that's the endgame.
xoinfinityox: i would prefer to be a slumlord with the same tiles
monolithik: question: will people run miners unprofitably to ensure that nobody has a majority share?
Duffer1: mircea what do you base your assumption on that us/china govs are hashing?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 not rly an assumption. ppl have asked before, but i never said anything.
xoinfinityox: mono: i think once you get the market consolidated to a few big players, they will compete pretty fiercely
mircea_popescu: monolithik mining is roughly slightly unprofitable on the spot today, and has been for a while. on the long term it will remain so.
xoinfinityox: the value of their own coins vs the risk of losing them should keep from cartelizing
Duffer1: if it's not an assumption then how do you know?
mircea_popescu: the thing is, cartels are not really profitable.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 that's what i do, i spy.
monolithik: will people abandon bitcoin if some kind of nefarious mining cartel forms? Is that enough of a disencentive for the miners to do so?
monolithik: so far, the system has shown to be incentive-safe in practice
xoinfinityox: i dont think mining cartels would really be profitable or efficient
mircea_popescu: people will definitely abandon bitcoin if it fucks up. hash concentration is one such fuckup.
mircea_popescu: implementing any sort of legal controls is more of such a fuckup.
xoinfinityox: for large entities like nations (banks?) i think the value / advantage of ownership would keep them mining
monolithik: agreed. what is your opinion of libbitcoin/darkwallet initiatives?
monolithik: that was directed toward mircea
mircea_popescu: monolithik probably too soon to have one.
monolithik: I read some of the libbitcoin source. It is high quality.
mircea_popescu: the wilson guy definitely means well. i don't see he;s delivering any value yet, but it's way too early. the other thing sounds like it means well, same situation.
monolithik: extensive use of boost::asio for purely async networking.
monolithik: I don't know about most of the other people involved, but Amir Taaki is a talented engineer.
mircea_popescu: he's also bitcoin's chief retard.
monolithik: yeah he is pretty terrible as a spokesperson. But his code is good
mircea_popescu: seems of late he's taken to heart the invitation to do less of the speaking.
mircea_popescu: that can't hurt anything.
monolithik: yeah. I agree with the need to have multiple implementations. Right now the main point of centralization is the core development team.
xoinfinityox: what articles on trilema are required reading for getting started with btc?
Duffer1: all of them
monolithik: Obviously there are difficulties with ensuring that they all interoperate properly, but that just leads to better standardization, which is good.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda dying, really. anyway, yes, it's a good use of resources and has been for a while to try and specify the code. bar that, alternate implementations may work.
mircea_popescu: xoinfinityox hit the bitcoin category, can't hurt anything.
mircea_popescu: maybe even make your own list and publish it somewhere.
xoinfinityox: sorry for the total n00b question
xoinfinityox: i'm trying to give myself the crash course
mircea_popescu: monolithik exactly. also, if there's going to be improvements to the concept, they may be discovered this way. atm we don't really know what utterly sucks in bitcoin.
Duffer1: xoinfinityox https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-crypto for the technical, trilema for perspective
mircea_popescu: sort-of like nobody figured out why ruby on rails utterly sucks until they had tried to make websites in it for a few years and they could never get one secure. then it was pretty clear.
monolithik: mircea: I think that bitcoin or a direct descendant (i.e. forked from the current chain, not some premined crap) will win. It's classic "worse is better".
mircea_popescu: but yeah, Duffer1 has a point, trilema isn't exactly a manual, more like that one asshole instructor in karate that just beats the shit out of you and then laughs.
Duffer1: hehe
mircea_popescu: monolithik i agree, but that means little in the context.
mircea_popescu: for instance, people in fiat think fiat will win.
monolithik: (I don't think we are disagreeing with eachother) the best technology doesn't always win. The one that is first to market that is un-shitty enough to provide some value wins.
monolithik: thats why I think altcoins are futile.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.28039999 = 2.804 BTC [+] {3}
xoinfinityox: what really distinguishes most altcoins at this point anyway?
Duffer1: quite a lot actually
Duffer1: lower transaction times, different proofs work
Duffer1: proofs of stake
benkay: what's more important is their unifying theme of irrelevance.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I believe Vircurex is now the Canonical example of the failure of RoR to accomplish anything
Duffer1: there's legit innovation that should occur, alts serve that purpose
benkay: nah. 10m/block is fine
mircea_popescu: monolithik perhaps many alt chains are futile. keeping one on hand just in case makes some sense tho
mircea_popescu: or at least the mkt seems to think so.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, davout's site is the cannonical example opf that.
monolithik: i think that the idea of using a memory-hard hash function (e.g. scrypt a la litecoin) is good, but not enough of a gain to offset the network effects of all the infrastructure built up around btc
toffoo: so mircea_popescu getting back to us/china gov mining, did you just make that up or is it based on any kind of evidence?
mircea_popescu: i didn't just make it up.
toffoo: then what?
toffoo: a vivid dream?
benkay: didn't your name once only have one trailing 'o', toffoo?
benkay: ;;gettrust toffoo
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user toffoo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=toffoo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=toffoo | Rated since: Tue Mar 15 18:00:23 2011
benkay: ;;gettrust toffo
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user toffo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=toffo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=toffo | Rated since: never
benkay: hah nevermind.
xoinfinityox: NARC GET HIM
toffoo: benkay only very briefly, like the first day
xoinfinityox: really tho it makes sense
xoinfinityox: (gov't mining)
xoinfinityox: if they're gonna seize a couple $MM in bitcoins
xoinfinityox: might as well protect those assets
toffoo: maybe in 5-10years it makes sense, not in 2013
xoinfinityox: gotta protect for the future by starting now
mircea_popescu: toffoo summer of 2013,a ctually.
mircea_popescu: it became a definite a coupla months back, but they had been doing it for a while.
xoinfinityox: I understand mircea not wanting to drop his sources, but I would think you can follow an appropriations bill or something to find the proof
benkay: unless the pentagon's doing it.
benkay: unless any bureau with acceptable operational financing is doing it.
benkay: unless anyone with any real power is behind it.
xoinfinityox: i guess it depends on the purpose
benkay: depends far more on involved individuals.
benkay: the great all seeing eye of USG mk. IV will not of its own make any decisions.
xoinfinityox: you've lost me there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00091006 = 21.3409 BTC [+] {2}
xoinfinityox: what's the hypothetical effect on the market of an announcement that gov'ts are mining?
xoinfinityox: thats kind of what i'mgetting at
benkay: much like walmart does not hate women and want to prevent them from earning dollar parity with men, the .75/1.00 ratio is the accumulation of many individual's decisions
Duffer1: if confirmed i expect the price will rocket
benkay: bafflement and confusion? inability to comprehend relevance of statement?
benkay: i kid..
xoinfinityox: i agree with you that if the goal is defense/intelligence/law enforcement keeping it secret is preferrable
benkay: let's play a thought game
xoinfinityox: or wanting to do anything shady with it
benkay: we sit down to a poker game
benkay: wherein you derive some small benefit from knowing what i plan to do and the motivations behind it
benkay: why would any competent actor in the scenario disclose targets goals strategies or philosophies!?
xoinfinityox: i don't think your analogy fits the situation
xoinfinityox: this isn't about strategy, its about whether the US is playing the game at all
xoinfinityox: a better analogy might be, you sit down and the guy across from you is phil helmuth, or its some random guy
benkay: no, they are playing the game. you were making some sort of claim about their goals vis-a-vis sketchiness.
xoinfinityox: that isn't confirmed at this point
xoinfinityox: i don't doubt mircea's veracity, but one source does not a fact makee
benkay: well by the time one waits for confirmation of a fact the market has long since priced it in typically
xoinfinityox: did the market move based on mircea's article?
Duffer1: germany timezone waking up
xoinfinityox: i'm not trying to argue here - still trying to figure out how this market works
mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> if confirmed i expect the price will rocket << you know it was announced before btc rocketed ?
benkay: arguing is all -assets does, xoinfinityox ;)
xoinfinityox: well in that case...
xoinfinityox: party on ;)
Duffer1: announced?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 yes, that 16th of oct article linked earlier, is where it was announced. toffoo has been asking me about whence and wherefore ever since.
Duffer1: ah i see
mircea_popescu: put that timeline on a graph.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0487 = 0.5357 BTC [-]
benkay: and people wonder why mining is unprofitable.
toffoo: I just saw the article for the first time today, when you linked it earlier..
mircea_popescu: i wonder who was hounding me the next day then hm
mircea_popescu: benkay kinda designed to be that way ya kno ?
toffoo: if it turns there's some truth to the statement, color me surprised
Duffer1: maybe toffo with one o? :P
xoinfinityox: im curious why other news outlets don't pick it up
benkay: yeah i don't quite understand that, mircea_popescu.
Duffer1: no proof = not really newsworthy, regardless of who says it
mircea_popescu: a no twasn't him. my bad.
Duffer1: in this case it's still probably worth paying attention to though
nubbins`: halfway through a 4-color print run
mircea_popescu: xoinfinityox other news outlets don't practically exist. what's out there ?
mircea_popescu: "hey guise, here's a cool idea, make us president coins narf" ?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay: mircea_popescu: how does mining being unprofitable make bitcoing work?
benkay: bitcoin*
nubbins`: it encourages people to get the hashrate climbing as fast as fucking possible
mircea_popescu: benkay you read the buffett bit re commodified markets ?
xoinfinityox: @mircea_popescu other news outlets and tech blogs pick up gov't regulation / seizure of btc events
benkay: mircea_popescu: yeah but fail to draw the dots
xoinfinityox: like i said, i'm a total noob at btc but prooof that gov'ts are mining would be a huge headline
mircea_popescu: xoinfinityox i guess that may be interesting in the sense pointing the spot lights at airplane wrecks could be interesting. meanwhile in the real war...
benkay: nubbins`: but rational market participants won't buy if their investment never returns, so how does unprofitable mining work forever?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3868 @ 0.00090627 = 3.5055 BTC [-]
benkay: or even ever, as a part of the thing?
mircea_popescu: benkay well, the hash power is designed to be commodified. this means it'll always sell just a shade under average cost.
xoinfinityox: i know, im at a really topical level right now
nubbins`: benkay: rational market participants are absent, for starters
xoinfinityox: so accepting that fact as true, where is the real war?
mircea_popescu: rational market participants are individually rational.
nubbins`: benkay: the people buying mining hardware are falling over themselves trying to get it hashing as fast as possible, so they maximize their returns
benkay: some get their goods at an acceptable rate and delivered on an acceptable time, making money etc. this drives others in who make less excellent ops decisions, ruining margin.
mircea_popescu: " Each proposal to do so looked like an immediate winner. Measured by standard return-on-investment tests, in fact, these proposals usually promised greater economic benefits than would have resulted from comparable expenditures in our highly-profitable candy and newspaper businesses."
nubbins`: sure
mircea_popescu: "Viewed individually, each company's capital investment decision appeared cost-effective and rational; viewed collectively, the decisions neutralized each other and were irrational, just as happens when each person watching a parade decides he can see a little better if he stands on tiptoes."
benkay: your lessons as always appreciated.
benkay: apparently i had to read that post 5 times before it made sense in context.
benkay: and must read it another 5 for penance.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i just keep linking the same shit over and over.
mircea_popescu: surprisingly, it still delivers benefits way past the 5th repetition.
nubbins`: re: textiles
mircea_popescu: anyway, that;'s a particularly well fit quote. if only the various twentysomething ex-geek now bitcoin financiers & investors had a financial culture.
nubbins`: the 2008 meltdown caused cotton prices to skyrocket for a few months in late 2010
nubbins`: ~4x normal
nubbins`: this was right around the time i started printing
nubbins`: spent several months wondering where the fuck these people on the forums were getting $2 blanks until i realized that was a thing of the past
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.0629 = 0.629 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
nubbins`: doge is kind of taking over the public consciousness, hey?
truff1es: irc public*
mircea_popescu: it tried about a decade ago too, failed then too.
ozbot: Leonard Cohen - The Partisan / ISLE OF WIGHT 1970 - YouTube
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: That just means Doge has passed critical mass. Expect Old meme to set in soon.
jurov: first came drama-backed currency, then meme-backed, what's next?
benkay: meme:silver::drama:gold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.281 BTC [+]
xoinfinityox: next is ryan gosling-backed
xoinfinityox: i don't have a hey girl coin joke yet tho :(
BingoBoingo: xoinfinityox: That's totally old meme, worthless for coining
benkay: genesis block must be at least not be rotting on the floor stinking of irrelevancy.
xoinfinityox: im ryan gosling irl, screw you guys
mircea_popescu: doge was old meme in 2007
benkay: but now it's MRRRNSTRRRRM.
nubbins`: heh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 154 @ 0.00273997 = 0.422 BTC [+] {2}
truff1es: ryan gosling is hot good choice !
benkay: security apparatus recruitment pitch: "meet strange new people! put your hand up their butts!"
mircea_popescu: muricans gotta get it in their square jawed skulls that there's a difference between the rich and the poor, and confusing this difference will get you exterminated.
mircea_popescu: fucking travesty of justice, to pretend like you can meddle with the top tier.
benkay: who's going to get exterminated, mp?
jurov: BingoBoingo: you do realize that you have one searchable cavity less?
BingoBoingo: jurov: Sure, but I had no cavities searched.
truff1es: is sticking things in the peen a thing?
BingoBoingo: ;;ud sound docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Sound Docking
mircea_popescu: benkay anyone who believes that, to quote asciilifeform's earlier quoted article, "the U.S. government expects laws to be followed by everyone in the USA" may translate as hassling a foreign high class person
truff1es: i mean like coke silly
xoinfinityox: you stick that in your butt
BingoBoingo: ;;ud sounding
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sounding | The practice of inserting plastic or metal 'sounds' (long thin and very smooth objects) into yours or someone elses uretha. Ultimately leads to str...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: sounding
xoinfinityox: ;;ud boofing
mircea_popescu: or, for the earlier example, anyone who imagines a lower court us judge has the authority to detain strauss, and the testimony of a hotel maid can serve as basis for such
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boofing | The act of inserting drugs into the anus for a longer trip. Most often occurs at Disco Biscuits shows by spun-out kids on ketamine.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: boofing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04515011 = 0.2258 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there's just no room in the world for such nonsense. you can arrest a bum because some other bum said so.
mircea_popescu: powerful people get their own courts and their own procedures or else.
benkay: nobody's getting their head chopped off in that case.
xoinfinityox: its true
xoinfinityox: they have special id cards and everything
mircea_popescu: xoinfinityox well apparently they don't anymore, not in india.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this pedestrian equalitariansm has gone way beyond far enough.
truff1es: what evidence did they expect to find with a strip search i dunno what that was about
BingoBoingo: truff1es: Brown skin not created by a spray tan
truff1es: yea but it said state department ordered..
xoinfinityox: its an amurrica thing
BingoBoingo: Never know when you might find a Kardashian as opposed to an actual foreigner
benkay: state department ordered just means that someone in the state department decided she needed a fist up the pooper.
xoinfinityox: thats how we send a message in modern politics
xoinfinityox: used to be you sent a fleet of ships out and blockaded a small island nation
mircea_popescu: except the message is "we're much too big for our breeches, please take us down three notches."
BingoBoingo: There are exactly 3 rules for being minimally hassled upon arrest in the United States: 1. Be white and hava a shitty American Accent 2. Wear a suit 3. Don't smell like a hobo
mircea_popescu: and it deffo shall be done.
xoinfinityox: mircea: isn't that the whole point of this channel? :)
benkay: it's not simply los estados unidos, however, it's the entire fiat system. usg simply sits atop it for the meantime.
mircea_popescu: xoinfinityox sort-of. notrly, i think the point of this channel is more like, hm.
mircea_popescu: what was the point of this channel again ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18102 @ 0.00090466 = 16.3762 BTC [-] {3}
truff1es: chattery
benkay: freedom
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think the point was not being -otc?
truff1es: i must say the "rules" in here are the more free in rooms ive frequented
mircea_popescu: i seem to remember simpleminded psychopathy was on the list.
truff1es: laissez faire kinda thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought the simpleminded part was refuted...
xoinfinityox: unless there is an invisible hand up your anus
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benkay: actually that does bring up a good point: the difference between psychotic and psychopathic
BingoBoingo: benkay: THe difference is that Vitamin H can surpress the former, but not the latter
truff1es: violent social behavior hmm
xoinfinityox: speaking of
xoinfinityox: im gonna go rob a 7-11
BingoBoingo: (By vitamin H I mean Haloperidol and not the bullshit actual medical references are returning)
benkay: mircea_popescu is unsurpressable regardless of his psych status
benkay: i recall something about an entire litre of grain alcohol?
BingoBoingo: WHere?
truff1es: "An earlier version of this article misstated the surname of India’s national security adviser. He is Shivshankar Menon, not Moon." hehe
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: i'm just saying
benkay: bitcoin satan is invincible
benkay: at 1m/coin, he will bathe in virgins lactation while taking their virginity six in a session
truff1es: a new legend eh
benkay: at 1b/coin he will hog-tie the entire dev team and make them watch unspeakable horrors
mircea_popescu: benkay i never liked doing virgins
benkay: or even better have their patches to the original client reviewed by his crack squad of c she-coders
mircea_popescu: crack squad of she c-coders ahahaha
mircea_popescu: crack see ? hence c.
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benkay: mircea_popescu facts
benkay: must be thoroughly mixed with truth for maximum lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.0628 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, a liter, wasn't grain alcohol tho.
benkay: what abv?
mircea_popescu: what's an abv ?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00293 = 0.1289 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: oh. like 105-110 proof, something like that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.27024998 = 5.6752 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00090606 = 12.5942 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.0628 = 0.1884 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28499998 = 1.14 BTC [+] {2}
monolithik: well since I asked this question elsewhere and nobody is up, is anyone here knowledgeable about crypto?
davout: mircea_popescu: ranting about rails again heh
monolithik: anyway, is it safe to use djb's nacl library in production to encrypt messages over the wire?
mircea_popescu: too soon to tell
azi`: ruby on rails still exists?
davout: mircea_popescu: so i did a quick test but i couldn't find an order id in the stat or statjson for me to know which order the reported execution is related to
davout: i see a 'Track' field in the statjson that i don't have in the regular stat but it doesn't look like an order id
mircea_popescu: you diff your book too see what was hit.
davout: yeah, that was the other way i way thinking of
davout: should give the same info
mircea_popescu: azi` notrly.
davout: ok, i see how the tracking field works
davout: how about the case where an order makes it to the book but gets eaten before i get a chance to issue a stat?
davout: it'll appear in the executed orders, possibly among other executions
davout: it's not going to be ap problem for me though, curious tho
mircea_popescu: so it appears among the executed orders. you know it's executed, at what price and what qty.
mircea_popescu: how's this trouble you ?
davout: heh it doesn't, just trying to think about whether there are edge cases that your solution doesn't cover, because you know, that's what i do :)
mircea_popescu: don't let me dissuiade you, it's a good thing.
davout: nobody dissuades david francois of nitpicking on edge cases
davout: but from what i understand, simply adding an order id to the reported executions isn't really trivial on your end
davout: WHERE IS YOUR PHP GOD NAO
mircea_popescu: pgp god ?
davout: heh
davout: nvm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5000 @ 0.0029691 = 14.8455 BTC [+] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04878988 = 0.2439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4521 @ 0.00090347 = 4.0846 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00297195 = 0.5795 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0221 = 0.1989 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.045 = 0.855 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00297197 = 1.1888 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: *snide comment about mpex edge cases*
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 700.0, Best ask: 704.63625, Bid-ask spread: 4.63625, Last trade: 708.99999, 24 hour volume: 65249.82276421, 24 hour low: 500.0, 24 hour high: 704.63625, 24 hour vwap: 591.30602
jurov: woo
davout: BITCOIN, Y U NO CALM DOWN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04878998 = 0.2439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00090121 = 13.9688 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.045 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32379 @ 0.00090618 = 29.3412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.04878988 = 2.1955 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.28499998 = 2.85 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 371 @ 0.0009071 = 0.3365 BTC [+]
taub: all these crypto rip-offs
taub: annoying
markedathome: I don't suppose anyone knows of how to extract private keys from the satoshidice desktop app that was around a year or so ago?
Duffer1: no idea mate, good luck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00090501 = 20.1817 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 41 @ 0.0221 = 0.9061 BTC [-]
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04878997 = 0.927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10437 @ 0.00090096 = 9.4033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25937 @ 0.000898 = 23.2914 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.28999933 = 1.74 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.06499997 = 0.585 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0027989 = 0.112 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu '2013-12-19 09:12:30: CAM Review Complete; Order In Production'
kakobrekla: i think you have an extra space prefixed there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.05216 = 1.304 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.051 = 0.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00279899 = 1.1196 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29 = 1.16 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: France decides 'textopornographie' is French for 'sexting'+
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00090443 = 6.8737 BTC [+]
ozbot: Russia's Putin: Pussy Riot duo to be freed despite 'disgraceful' protest - World News
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00089747 = 15.7506 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu '2013-12-19 09:12:30: CAM Review Complete; Order In Production'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: thx, kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was in the us ?!
kakobrekla: no, romania is, it seems
mircea_popescu: but seriously, the decriminalize corruption thing is quite along the lines of my thinking.
ozbot: De ce coruptia nu va putea fi niciodata eliminata pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "why corruption is basically a good thing" etc.
kakobrekla: that article has too much unrecognizable words
kakobrekla: also stop burning my trilema credits
kakobrekla: im runing low.
mircea_popescu: besides, when the us says "you're taking a step back" you know you must be doing something right.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08599999 = 0.258 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29179997 = 0.8754 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29179997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7594 @ 0.00012 = 0.9113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2006 @ 0.00012 = 0.2407 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11190 @ 0.00012 = 1.3428 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00295998 = 0.1006 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2073 @ 0.00012 = 0.2488 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00279899 = 0.3051 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1737 @ 0.00012 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012 = 0.36 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2003 @ 0.00012 = 0.2404 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012 = 0.36 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29179997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02219999 = 0.2664 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2962 @ 0.00012 = 0.3554 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
ozbot: Russian bank looks to create new digital currency to compete in Bitcoin market - National Finance Ex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7311 @ 0.00012 = 0.8773 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10008 @ 0.00012 = 1.201 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9990 @ 0.00012 = 1.1988 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 80000 @ 0.00012 = 9.6 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00012 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00012 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29179997 = 0.5836 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 90235 @ 0.00012 = 10.8282 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 99754 @ 0.00012 = 11.9705 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 99330 @ 0.00012 = 11.9196 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 99497 @ 0.00012 = 11.9396 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4855 @ 0.00012 = 0.5826 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 95140 @ 0.00012 = 11.4168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19912 @ 0.00012 = 2.3894 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: so itll be like, what, 3PH of mining added this diff period?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00012 = 2.4 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: dont they know China killed bitcoin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00012 = 7.2 BTC [+]
jurov: china is actually mining and trying to scare competition :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1700 @ 0.00012 = 0.204 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8300 @ 0.00012 = 0.996 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 94258 @ 0.00012 = 11.311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10356 @ 0.0009041 = 9.3629 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1880 @ 0.00012 = 0.2256 BTC [+]
ozbot: Cardano : Xmas blown, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: "Well managed stakeholder expectations should keep blowback to a minimum in case of failure. Supposedly we have exceptional, unmatched strengths in PR, which we now have an opportunity to test, which is valuable."
KRS|Gotyawallet: holy smokes, this is big
jurov: srsly?
ozbot: Overstock.com to accept bitcoins; CEO says 'money is too important to leave in the hands of governme
KRS|Gotyawallet: +1000 for bitcoin
KRS|Gotyawallet: major retailer
jurov: no one gives a fuck about cardano = unmatched PR strength
mircea_popescu: jurov theory says.
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet pretty cool.
KRS|Gotyawallet: indeed had to bring the only the freshest news here to my friends in #bitcoin-assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.05207384 = 0.677 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i like the guy's attitude anyway.
mircea_popescu: i guess this dethrones roger ver as Bitcoin Jesus of the Used Computer Parts ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea you have used laz0rs to make cardanos? liquid cooled ones? y u no photos?
jurov: :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 11 @ 0.04632909 = 0.5096 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you satisfy the inquiring minds by snapping a coupla shots of the ded lazr ?
mircea_popescu: ( jurov it's for cutting the plastic casing, not rly anything supersexy)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0009041 = 5.1534 BTC [+]
jurov: you really do think nubbins` manboobs are sexier than that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.002799 = 0.3359 BTC [+]
jurov: sry nubs
jurov: but seriously, if asciilifeform does most of the prototype including casing himself, that calls for photo here and there
jurov: nerd porn
ozbot: Join Our Live Q&A on Thursday: Is Bitcoin a Passing Fad, or Here to Stay? - MoneyBeat - WSJ
Bugpowder: overstock!?!
Bugpowder: wowo
Bugpowder: 3Q2014 :(
ThickAsThieves: right after the next bubble burst
Duffer1: thas ok
Duffer1: more will come
ThickAsThieves: that link is live now btw
mircea_popescu: you got a point
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who's "our" ?
ThickAsThieves: Patrick Murck (BTC foundation lawyer),
ThickAsThieves: Jason Zweig,
ThickAsThieves: Paul Vigna,
ThickAsThieves: Michael Casey
ThickAsThieves: current topic is super noring security aspects
mircea_popescu: "i think it's here to say but please don't misconstrue anything i say into grounds to sue me. also don't ask me about various milky topics re the bf"
Duffer1: how long is this discussion?
asciilifeform: dead component in question is the motor driver board
asciilifeform: anyone actually wants to see this?
ThickAsThieves: "What does everyone else think about the idea of Gox allowing rapid transactions to mexico and brazil and other "cocaine rich" countries. Is this not going to create a hyper bubble? "
kakobrekla: wait is this -otc?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's -otc identical flavouring.
jurov: at least i made 0.09 BTC off bitbet :D, thx mircea
ThickAsThieves: this is a chore to watch, nvm
Duffer1: lol ya
Duffer1: wat r blockchain
kakobrekla: stop printing money gavin!
Duffer1: gavin andreson, chief bitcoin scientist
kakobrekla: gavin bernankenson
ThickAsThieves: he blinded me with science!
mircea_popescu: lol chief bitcoin scientist, that's a good one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 34700 @ 0.00012 = 4.164 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ok photos:
asciilifeform: warning: quite boring
asciilifeform: laser cutter. quite ordinary. currently, unfortunately, has become a 'drill'.
ozbot: Unsee — Secure and private temporary image hosting
asciilifeform: (why unsee? because betcha there's a plasma panel at nsa that shows these in real time...)
asciilifeform: next, the reason the latter machine has become a drill:
asciilifeform: why removed?
pankkake: oh, unsee.cc is the kind of service I was looking for
asciilifeform: magic smoke released.
asciilifeform: the end (for now.) until the new a3983 comes in from hong kong and i can lift the turd off the board and put new one in.
asciilifeform: the end.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.00296204 = 2.2215 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: once again, machine in question is essentially an expensive saw. though a very precise saw.
asciilifeform: it only cuts plastics (and various other materials with relatively poor heat conductivity, such as glass.)
mircea_popescu: looks more like a glorified sewing machien, but hey.
mircea_popescu: what do i know of geek pr0ns :D
ThickAsThieves: lol why is btc-e trollbox saying I need another $99.99 to chat?
asciilifeform: squat little box on the bottom left is a chiller.
asciilifeform: nothing terribly exciting, esp. since the thing is a paperweight pending a new stepper IC
jborkl: you already used up your 1000 chat credits?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves cause you got 99 problems ?
jborkl: new fee introduced to remove troll spam from the trollbox- $99.99 for 1000 chat credits
mircea_popescu: x.idiffs are back
mircea_popescu: pls don't be shy to report any issues.
mircea_popescu: jborkl does that mean a dime per chat line ?!
jborkl: I am just trolling
pankkake: too bad, that would be genius
ThickAsThieves: my guess is $100 balance is required
ThickAsThieves: to weed out troll accounts
mircea_popescu: wow, the 30btc thing is catching on!
Duffer1: ya TaT
Duffer1: min balance required for chat to function
ThickAsThieves: btc-e is growing up i guess
ThickAsThieves: next thing yknow therell be no chat box at all
Duffer1: chat is just as useless, just less spammy
ThickAsThieves: too much human mod needed
ThickAsThieves: humans are too costly
Bugpowder: You need to hold at least $100 worth of currency to chat
Bugpowder: or bitcoin
mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> chat is just as useless, just less spammy << lol
ThickAsThieves: Bug i have more than that
ThickAsThieves: i think it has to be fiat
ThickAsThieves: denominated
mircea_popescu: btc-e doing their part to help the usd have real world value ?
Duffer1: hehe
ThickAsThieves: or maybe it doesnt count coins tied to orders?
jurov: mircea_popescu: the new lot is nowhere mentioned and the examples are presumably wrong: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.IDIFF.MAR
jurov: but since you have unmatched PR strength, you can gloss over such details, i guess :D
the20year2: credits to talk? wow
the20year2: I hope they don't start charging for IRC
mircea_popescu: jurov i can do aaanything.
Duffer1: borkl was trollin
mircea_popescu: the20year2 everything worthwhile will cost money eventually.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 48 @ 0.00283666 = 0.1362 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00297 = 0.2851 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.045 = 1.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.05286954 = 1.216 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: jurov better ?
jurov: yes, much better
jurov: oh and MKOPT/SPLIT in the FAQ still suffers from this, too
mircea_popescu: yeah but updating the faq is a pain cause i had to go and get it translated ;/
mircea_popescu: adding to the list tho
jurov: kk
mircea_popescu: the20year2 so re your listing idea, do you have your reports posted anywhere ? what's the cashflow like ? etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1376 @ 0.0028 = 3.8528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 99 @ 0.02287574 = 2.2647 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00279899 = 0.2799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00090428 = 25.9528 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0487896 = 0.4879 BTC [-]
the20year2: mircea , i send out cashflow reports to all our investors now , i don't make them public. I can send over our current business plan + cashflow report if you'd want
mircea_popescu: well, i dunno how serious you are about trying to list.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1178 @ 0.00297086 = 3.4997 BTC [+] {2}
the20year2: We're finally cashflowing from rental income, but the bigger money is from our equity gain, our total USD investment was $92,668.54 and our current asset & capital value is $192,035.16
the20year2: And that's since the last part of July
mircea_popescu: how many units is 192k ?!
Duffer1: rental starter?
the20year2: units? As in properties?
the20year2: Duffer1: yes
mike_c: re: translations. I have had good success with programmatically getting good human translations from http://gengo.com/.
Duffer1: cool
mircea_popescu: the20year2 yes as in properties
the20year2: Yes, just two houses
mircea_popescu: except units, ie, independently leased parts of a property.
the20year2: In my area, the median home value is around $100k, and most of what we're looking at are going in the ~$30,000 range
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00339966 = 0.34 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: so how do you gain confidence in your equity evaluation ?
ThickAsThieves: probly holds bitcoins
the20year2: I've had 3rd parties assess the liquidation value as well as my own value estimates since I've been in the business of evaluating properties for every large financial firm in the US
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7406 @ 0.00012 = 0.8887 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and what makes you confident you can efficiently deploy capital ? in what limits ?
Duffer1: are you counting btc appreciation on top of your units for your total equity #?
the20year2: No Duffer1
the20year2: That's covered in the business plan mircea_popescu. We feel that we can deploy around $100k of capital per month
the20year2: (Into new properties/purchases that is)
Duffer1: ^.^
mircea_popescu: well alright, so send the thing over.
the20year2: the BTC appreciation is another ball game and hard for me to personally value. When everything was running on bitfunder decently, our values kept doing well, even as BTC/USD started to gain
mikaeldice: Spending it seems to be the easy part :)
the20year2: Not exactly
the20year2: in this case, you have to have teams of workers to do the rehab work , qualify tenants. Sure, you can spend more money to 'just get it done', but if you do that you pay retail for everything, and you can't make money by paying what everyone else does
mircea_popescu: started is one thing. btc went up what, 50x this year.
Duffer1: sorry i haven't followed rental starter at all, are you registered DPO or did you ipo?
Duffer1: direct private offer
the20year2: We IPO'd on bitfunder, but are now private/direct due to them shutting down
Duffer1: but not legally registered though right?
ozbot: [Direct] RentalStarter - A Midwest Real Estate Investment Company
the20year2: Yes, we're registered in Hong Kong and the United states. The hong kong company is connected to the US one through a legal service agreement
the20year2: DBA Full Power Asia Investments LTD in Hong Kong
Duffer1: thanks, i should probably stop being lazy and just read hehe
Duffer1: registered as a company is different from being registered with the SEC (making it legal for you to distribute shares)
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust the20year2
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user the20year2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=the20year2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year2 | Rated since: never
Duffer1: under 1m offering should qualify you for 504 exemption, but you still will need to register with your state, and adhere to their blue sky laws
Duffer1: if you're interested in being squeky clean that is hehe :P
the20year2: Our lawyer has made me aware of the requirements, the issue here is that I don't know of any US investors that we have, SEC allows me to file a PPM if/when I'm notified of US investors ,and since startup we've barred US investment
the20year2: We've very seriously looked at doing a DPO but I can't round up enough investment to justify it
Duffer1: ah, i was under the impression that even if you were operating in the US you'd have to register
the20year2: The company that collects funding is not in the US
Duffer1: i see
the20year2: The funds are sent to a LTD operated in the Hong Kong, of which I am not the director, there is a two way service agremeent between the two entities, according to what my personal understanding is, it can work that way. if we take on US investors, it needs to be done so at the US LLC level, and we then need to register
the20year2: We'll qualify for most US crowdfunding and DPO laws next year as we're bringing a accounting firm into the mix in Janurary when we have our first book audit
Duffer1: do you take a salary?
the20year2: I am the majority shareholder in the company, there is also a 15% management fee that comes into place. In order to comply with US tax laws, I take my dividends + management fee as salary
Duffer1: cool, looks like a solid project, good luck :)
the20year2: So far, so good. I Just thought early on that banks would be more open to adding us to portfolo lending
the20year2: If that was the case there'd be no problem and i wouldn't give a care about listing anywhere
Duffer1: hehehe
Duffer1: they'd be funding their competition in multiple ways if they backed you
Duffer1: they want dat real estate, they don't want bitcoin to live
the20year2: none of the banks i talk to know about bitcoin
the20year2: And there's no reason for me to tell them that investors are being paid in bitcoin. ALl they know is that there's a out-of-country service agreement
Duffer1: ouch
ozbot: Hi Bro, I am here from couple of years and have good knowledge on how to prom - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: how to prom ?
mircea_popescu: lmao jesus
KRS|Gotyawallet: i can mine an alt coin and have twice as many bitcoins in the same amount of time as mining bitcoin, selling them at an exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 17.03088030 BTC to 13`993 shares, 121710 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
Duffer1: mircea mining doge :P
KRS|Gotyawallet: such fun
kakobrekla: theres 3 crypto coin threads on some local tech forum
Duffer1: apparently the lulz market space is profitable >.<
kakobrekla: bitcoin, litecoin and yes, dogecoin
KRS|Gotyawallet: i should prolly buy some doge everyones talking abou tit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 3.85235844 BTC to 333`249 shares, 1156 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00090181 = 11.5432 BTC [-]
Duffer1: there's a reddit thread about some guy buying coffee with doge
Duffer1: free coffee ftw
benkay: so tapering is a go for the states
mircea_popescu: benkay i saw that. incredible huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8700 @ 0.00012 = 1.044 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: mp when did you last do withdrawals?
KRS|Gotyawallet: wtf someone bought ~12 BTC worth DOGE Coin: BTC 11.95468560 7969790.39827178
assbot: 123!
Duffer1: amazing company!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
KRS|Gotyawallet: such profits
Duffer1: *highfive assbot
ThickAsThieves: much amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ThickAsThieves: i dont even know this meme
ThickAsThieves: havent bothered looking into it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00279899 = 0.2379 BTC [-]
the20year2: i wonder if the buyer is a guy i know :D
ozbot: Doge | Know Your Meme
ThickAsThieves: will not click
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin Quark ProtoShares WorldC
ThickAsThieves: maybe 1 person can pull a mil out
benkay: doge > litecoin by the end of q1 2014
benkay: mktcap
benkay: ;)
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
Duffer1: interesting
Duffer1: vpn, the only way to travel
pankkake: wow, UK. what haven't they censored yet?
Duffer1: i wonder what service Ciphermine is using...
ThickAsThieves: it's just some kids mom
ThickAsThieves: blocking websites
pankkake: they have an "optionnal" filter that is enabled by default, right?
pankkake: until it's not optionnal anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.05010001 = 0.2505 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tho in fairness, it's more likely redditard overreacting and entry level dub speaking out of the three ring binder
mircea_popescu: than actually anything as meaningfully nefarious as the post implies.
Duffer1: probably.. but still, it is Sky
KRS|Gotyawallet: yo yo yo i want to short doge coin on bfx yo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.05010001 = 1.503 BTC [+]
pankkake: I want to short everything
pankkake: safest way to get rich
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0228 = 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12500 @ 0.00012 = 1.5 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: shortest way to go short is kill yourself
ThickAsThieves: such profit
mircea_popescu: kill yourself = going 7 feet long underground
pankkake: isn't it 6?
mircea_popescu: maybe your ground isn't as deep in france ?
pankkake: well, "six feet under" is widely used
ThickAsThieves: maybe coffin starts at 6ft, person lies at 7ft
ThickAsThieves: you both win
ThickAsThieves: but how can we arb the difference?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3750 @ 0.00012 = 0.45 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: makes me recall your text on unused vagina mileage
jcpham: one-owner or multi-owner
jcpham: check the carfax
Duffer1: that sounds like something i need to read
ThickAsThieves: vagfax.cum
ThickAsThieves: I'm surprised there arent more sexperience database websites
ozbot: How to steal Bitcoin in three easy steps | The Verge
mircea_popescu: so is the verge going to be paying its staff on bitcoin,
mircea_popescu: or did they just accidentally prove they publish crap ?
ThickAsThieves: they do some stuff really well
ThickAsThieves: but yknow how these things go
ThickAsThieves: after a year or two its all ads and bullshit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.29513114 = 9.7393 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.0502 = 0.3514 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - NASA finds ET
mircea_popescu: check out the bottom feeders in teh comments lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58162 @ 0.00090436 = 52.5994 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: !t m s.nsa
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00012 / 0.00013374 / 0.00016 (2037 shares, 0.27 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00010754 / 0.00016 (487679 shares, 52.45 BTC)
mike_c: excellent pr skillz prevented a freefall :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 50000 @ 0.001 = 50 BTC
benkay: the audience is tractable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [+]
benkay: yolo!
Vexual: mircea, i was interested to see you wrote on the film the family
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.29799897 = 12.516 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: did you see something beautiful on the banal underpainting? or are you joking about evryones hardon for deniros?
ozbot: The Family pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.05916666 = 0.1775 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: if you have the tools handy, try removing every frame with a face, it's a nice short film
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.002836 = 0.4254 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.06677775 = 0.1336 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.07599999 = 0.228 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana
Duffer1: "The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper"
Vexual: hiss eyes are more glazed than his orb
Vexual: he evvisions a bigger, shinier trackball with more velco
Duffer1: needs more corduroy imo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 842 @ 0.00012 = 0.101 BTC [+]
Vexual: another fun image processing exercise, no corduroy, no run
Vexual: orb reports fatal cord error
deadweasel: ha, the family, mildy entertaining. i'm pretty sure as US citizens, we are allowed blow up foreign groceries.
deadweasel: as long as we use drones.
deadweasel: mildly* se
deadweasel: fuck keyboards
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.297 = 0.594 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.0799999 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08200001 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: deadweasel mildewy ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00012 = 1.8 BTC [+]
deadweasel: the brain, yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.297 = 2.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00284965 = 0.2622 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00090258 = 23.8281 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]
ozbot: Peter Chung Animated Creations (6) - YouTube
ozbot: Aloe Blacc - I Need A Dollar (Ben E & Falki Remix) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.0421892 = 1.561 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2063 @ 0.00012 = 0.2476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20000 @ 0.001 = 20 BTC
Vexual: nubbins' how foes the rainbow vomit?
Vexual: your macig fountain bar installation
KRS|Gotyawallet: hey Vexual
Vexual: hello
nubbins`: ah. we didn't have enough time to make a rainbow vomit
nubbins`: had to settle for rainbow streamers ;(
Vexual: did it provide a model of a frame of reference where light only behaves as a wave and shit?
nubbins`: in fact, the room filled up with vibrations
Vexual: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00012 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.297 = 2.079 BTC [-]
Vexual: reading popescue is like nos, theres that numbing confusion that might be funny, but you don't know where you're sitting, a fruity dry nose of old wood and nosferatu, and a defined sense of nostradamus lingering on the palette.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8334 @ 0.00090338 = 7.5288 BTC [+]
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: that's the past 24 hours for me
Vexual: nice, i really like it just as the first colour even
nubbins`: thanks
nubbins`: super last minute job, almost didn't get it done on time
nubbins`: i was wrapping up the stack of prints like 25 minutes before the doors opened at the venue :0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27662001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27660003 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4590 @ 0.00012 = 0.5508 BTC [+]
Vexual: so theyre souveneirs mor e than advertising?
nubbins`: yeah, they're selling them at the show as merch
nubbins`: way too expensive to post outdoors ;D
Vexual: hot off the press baby, tres cool
nubbins`: thanks
nubbins`: went delirious earlier
nubbins`: up til 4am printing
nubbins`: then awake again this morning & nothing to eat but 2 cookies
nubbins`: until 6pm
nubbins`: ink fumes
gribble: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 12892.122 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10964663.8696 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0757 seconds
ozbot: Twitter / Omar_Gaza: #Gaza: Evacuating an elderly ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0475 = 0.57 BTC [-]
ozbot: Ed Sheeran & Passenger - No Diggity vs. Thrift Shop (Kygo Remix) - YouTube
KRS|Gotyawallet: this deserves a play
KRS|Gotyawallet: That bitch is hawt
Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth
KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual this song is great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1350 @ 0.00012 = 0.162 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: bueno
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 300 @ 0.0028 = 0.84 BTC [-]
ozbot: Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger on Vimeo
Vexual: salut
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: Vexual did you like that song Rosana
KRS|Gotyawallet: video is hilarious
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC
nubbins`: i can't stop staring at that poster
nubbins`: so proud ;(
Vexual: do you do art prints for galleries nubules?
nubbins`: we've had prints that we've done in galleries
nubbins`: not our own works though
Vexual: yes i did like that video krs
nubbins`: like that poster i linked isn't our design
nubbins`: we just printed it
Vexual: so u ink stuff for artists to sell for 100s?
Vexual: u should hop a train to nyc
nubbins`: nah, too busy
nubbins`: but yes, that's a thing we do
nubbins`: hundreds is a bit less common
nubbins`: great way for people to make money tho. sell posters for like 20-30+ each
Vexual: yeah, looks like decent parchment u got there
nubbins`: costs maybe 6-10 to print them
nubbins`: nice cotton rag paper
Vexual: u make decent nmoney to stay up all night
nubbins`: acid free
nubbins`: it's not about what you make, it's about what you spend :D
Vexual: nod
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.002836 = 0.2127 BTC [-]
Vexual: this is from an old sydney zine
nubbins`: siiiick
nubbins`: that thing on the left
Vexual: that issue is floating around pdf style
nubbins`: we do a fully silkscreened zine once a year
nubbins`: too costly to hand print the insides generally
nubbins`: but it's nice to just hemorrhage money once in a while and produce something that challenges you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00090483 = 2.8955 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0487896 = 0.5367 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1340 @ 0.00043287 = 0.58 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> A Crypto Challenge For The Telegram Developers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00090578 = 11.5396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 838 @ 0.00012 = 0.1006 BTC [+]
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 198 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.2912% in 0d 22h 36m 44s
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who "owen gunden" is and even less of an idea why he thinks he's in a position to play the expert in this space.
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