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BingoBoingo: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.716643 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00344013335151 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
Ademan: dang, asicminer is tanking
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Prolly because it was a one trick pony
kakobrekla: pretty much so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1414 @ 0.00007999 = 0.1131 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4749 @ 0.00008142 = 0.3867 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2973 @ 0.000082 = 0.2438 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3113 @ 0.00008199 = 0.2552 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 22117.832 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 18223113.3032 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0034 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Sell side of the orderbook filled up quite a bit
asciilifeform: benkay: 'he who will not read' the logs 'is doomed to repeat...'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You have a lot of vintage equiptment? Do you know where I could find a working Mac SE/30?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ebay.
asciilifeform: why specifically SE/30 ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2967 @ 0.00011799 = 0.3501 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 2967 @ 0.00013 = 0.3857 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform, The 68030 cpu and 128MB of possible ram. Last one I had which I talked about before a capacitor ruptured during keygen
BingoBoingo: Turned out software may have been poorly chosen, but it was the hardware that locked the process up with fail.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm still unclear on where the hell entropy is supposed to come from on that thing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform, Right now I'm thinking of just plugging in a microphone and hiring some hookers, Rob Ford style
nubbins`: rob ford doesn't have style
BingoBoingo: nubbins`, Honestly I think he makes Canada look better
nubbins`: what, we weren't knocking down enough old ladies?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 35000 @ 0.00011223 = 3.9281 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: nubbins`, Of course not. Rob Ford makes Canada interesting.
nubbins`: he makes toronto interesting, at least
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 122 @ 0.00337503 = 0.4118 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 875 @ 0.00349853 = 3.0612 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 321 @ 0.00381068 = 1.2232 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 329 @ 0.00396068 = 1.3031 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3899 = 0.7798 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay what do you figure those two have to do with each other ?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 635.0, Best ask: 645.0, Bid-ask spread: 10.00000, Last trade: 640.0, 24 hour volume: 61730.66663822, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 650.15316, 24 hour vwap: 561.79624
assbot: 123!
mircea_popescu: o hey BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Hey mircea
BingoBoingo: I finally put in that laptop fan yesterday
BingoBoingo: And might finally go back on eve to do moar than switch skills
mircea_popescu: haha cool
BingoBoingo: That fan was sitting on the corner of my desk for a few months, but... The laptop is my online play machine. If I fucked up the surgery what would I look at cat gifs on?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 241 @ 0.00104899 = 0.2528 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.0343 = 0.8575 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00198999 = 0.199 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, maybe print some just in case
mircea_popescu: lolcat paper wallet lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, Well, I keep discrete digital backups of things on top of the paper ones. Who knows what might be metadata in an SD card's text folder or something moar important? (having said that I've found places I haven't mentioned that aren't that)
BingoBoingo: lolcat brainwallets though...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 99 @ 0.001048 = 0.1038 BTC [-]
dub: stenopraphed into wallet sized cat pictures
BingoBoingo: dub, The trick is making a dicelist password and picking cat picks with the dice words in the background
dub: er steganopraph os something
BingoBoingo: Cooking half the motherboard capacitors on the intended successor to my current airgapped machine was the final push to replace the fan though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 129 @ 0.00104999 = 0.1354 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 160 @ 0.001048 = 0.1677 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 371 @ 0.00104999 = 0.3895 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 789 @ 0.00198999 = 1.5701 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1001 @ 0.001048 = 1.049 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: being a regular is a sin these days.
ozbot: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet
kakobrekla: fyi you are all guilty
mircea_popescu: the BitBet IRC ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00105 = 0.105 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's another poland btc exchange ?
mircea_popescu: or theuy mean mtgox's thing ?!
kakobrekla: not anymore
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla, They didn't mention Linode though
BingoBoingo: So Euro CoinBase BIPS was haxxed https://bips.me/press#new
kakobrekla: but their css seems so fine.
BingoBoingo: I know.
BingoBoingo: Maybe they should have done like Amir is trying with Dark Wallet and made the wallet nothing but CSS in a browser plugin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "BIPS has been a target of a coordinated attack and subsequent security breached."
mircea_popescu: and grammer breecheds too
mircea_popescu: "As a consequence BIPS will temporarily close down the wallet initiative to focus on real-time merchant processing business which does not include storing of Bitcoins."
mircea_popescu: jesus how the fuck can one be this retarded. who are these people ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00082899 = 1.5751 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00350013 = 0.1015 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: trilema down i think btw
mircea_popescu: myeah, working on it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2620 @ 0.00009405 = 0.2464 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1475 @ 0.00009469 = 0.1397 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
ozbot: Journalistic responsibility, a case study pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00082969 = 8.5458 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.381 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 106 @ 0.001053 = 0.1116 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 225 @ 0.0010535 = 0.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30590 @ 0.00082773 = 25.3203 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 221 @ 0.00105399 = 0.2329 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 474 @ 0.00105413 = 0.4997 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0010559 = 0.1056 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 260 @ 0.00105599 = 0.2746 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00082454 = 5.3595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00082768 = 1.9864 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11760 @ 0.00082276 = 9.6757 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1055 @ 0.00199699 = 2.1068 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.066 = 0.396 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.06357146 = 1.335 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 27 @ 0.05651852 = 1.526 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.05501116 = 1.3753 BTC [-] {3}
lolerskates: starting my 6 months of lurking now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.055 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12133 @ 0.00080509 = 9.7682 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.0008001 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.389999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.39 = 3.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.06199999 = 0.31 BTC [+] {2}
davout: does someone know who runs domains4bitcoins.com ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.45486000 BTC to 909`720 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8225 @ 0.0000947 = 0.7789 BTC [+]
deadweasel: oh my, golden thread is shining like the sun this morning. lovely.
ozbot: Now you can pay college tuition with Bitcoin | The Verge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 348 @ 0.00425639 = 1.4812 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.002 = 0.194 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1700 @ 0.00011917 = 0.2026 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1700 @ 0.00013 = 0.221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00079222 = 7.2884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10474 @ 0.00078908 = 8.2648 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5014 @ 0.00078342 = 3.9281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 100000 @ 0.000105 = 10.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.000785 = 1.2953 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: lol mpoe is dipping!
thestringpuller: oh my the speculators
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 45 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <jurov> mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls :)
thestringpuller: ;;later tell jurov can I charge off the rest of my account to zero, i sent deposit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.41999999 = 8.4 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 719.005, Best ask: 722.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.99500, Last trade: 722.0, 24 hour volume: 45626.35914703, 24 hour low: 540.41102, 24 hour high: 737.0, 24 hour vwap: 627.8128
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 235 @ 0.0036 = 0.846 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 668 @ 0.0035 = 2.338 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.000785 = 3.1008 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41999998 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078342 / 0.00082772 / 0.00085604 (206722 shares, 171.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00078342 / 0.00083522 / 0.00085604 (1553568 shares, 1,297.58 BTC), 30D: 0.00078342 / 0.00083186 / 0.00088996 (4293348 shares, 3,571.49 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14000003 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0000948 = 0.3792 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 612 @ 0.001055 = 0.6457 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: what happens when people start selling into the massive mpoe wall?
thestringpuller: you weren't around when people did that to the ~0.0002 wall
thestringpuller: usually it bounces right off the wall like a ping pong ball
thestringpuller: the law of the wall
ThickAsThieves: we'll see
ThickAsThieves: i did think it was odd how little people sold with the price rise in fiat
kleeck: why is there an mpoe wall?
ThickAsThieves: to inflate the price?
thestringpuller: MPOE doesn't do well during volatile price swings on exchanges
thestringpuller: if that greek goes to high the price either goes too high per option and no one buys
thestringpuller: or the bot loses money
thestringpuller: perfect time though to buy mpoe
thestringpuller: buy the dip
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14000003 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00078535 = 1.5314 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 99 @ 0.00105495 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15989999 = 0.3198 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1059 @ 0.00078565 = 0.832 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: lol on its way back uppp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 297 @ 0.00105495 = 0.3133 BTC [-]
deadweasel: lol pankkake
deadweasel: i'd like to believe this will start snackman on his path to enlightenment. but seesm as though he will retrench into stupidity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7753 @ 0.00007165 = 0.5555 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5091 @ 0.00078739 = 4.0086 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00388999 = 0.1673 BTC [+]
deadweasel: pankkake, i always crack up when I see costanza asking me "do you even mine?" love it
pankkake: yeah, I'm proud of that one. it works without the costanza though, it's the "do you even lift" meme. I'm surprised no one seemed to have done it before
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 668 @ 0.00388999 = 2.5985 BTC [+]
TomServo: What's the constanza connection?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.0332 = 0.2656 BTC [-]
pankkake: that image is "I seriously hope you guys don't do this"
pankkake: or generally scoffing
thestringpuller: LABCOIN: Do you even mine?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.40999988 = 4.1 BTC [+] {3}
Rawted: lol thestringpuller
Rawted: we could do that for a ton of things in the btc industry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 257 @ 0.00078342 = 0.2013 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 123 @ 0.02984973 = 3.6715 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02821 = 0.677 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 312 @ 0.00228792 = 0.7138 BTC [-] {6}
deadweasel: all your terminal are belong to us
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00177841 = 1.7784 BTC [-] {11}
deadweasel: indeed
dub: ..smh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.04066666 = 0.122 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: kakobrekla i now know how you felt when there was bull session in kiberpipa
altoz: ;; bids 0
gribble: There are currently 15414801 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 33189957.8562 USD in total. | Data vintage: 240.3983 seconds
altoz: ;; asks 999999999
gribble: There are currently 26767.035 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999.0 USD, worth 146751757.423 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0031 seconds
jurov: am at ATM introduction, lots of ppl, tv reporter, bitcoinity projected on the wall
jurov: only thing missing is bitcoinity all time high gif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00077582 = 10.0469 BTC [-]
Tulak_: yo
Tulak_: basically I come from bitcointalk land
Tulak_: and want to educate myself in here
Apocalyptic: ouch, that's a daunting task you have ahead of you
Tulak_: i know
Tulak_: I want to get away from the airheads
Tulak_: bitcointalk is composed of 99% fud. and i'm no better than that
Tulak_: i am looking to join your cult
Ademan: Tulak_: first you must sacrifice a virgin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.15988822 = 2.2384 BTC [+] {4}
Tulak_: Does it have to be a relative
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.1599 = 1.4391 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: who are you even?
thestringpuller: Tulak_: step one is actually buying assets and learning to trade
TomServo: I thought step one was to /part and read a few months worth of log.bitcoin-assets.com
pankkake: unless step two is realize to never to take advice from strangers
thestringpuller: Look how fast you are learning
thestringpuller: STEP 3 is to trust no one
thestringpuller: step 4 is to rob niggas
Tulak_: Thats Step 1 for me
Tulak_: trust no one
Tulak_: not the nigger part
deadweasel: niggers are people too, don't trust em
gecko_x2: you can trust me
deadweasel: racist
thestringpuller: step 5 is playing lots of gta
thestringpuller: step 6 is graduation
thestringpuller: step 7 is heartbreak an 808's
thestringpuller: etc. etc.
Tulak_: back to step one
Tulak_: is there a platform which is advised to acquire bitcoins from
deadweasel: coinbase is easy, if slow and not always open.
deadweasel: Connect bank account, purchase. You can sell and have $$ deposited back to bank acct. very easy.
Tulak_: i am trying to let go everything I read on bitcointalk
Tulak_: oh great. reflinks
deadweasel: you can give it to them or give it to me. Which one have you had more personal coversations with?
Tulak_: i like your jedi mindtricks
deadweasel: these are not the coins you're looking for, go buy litecoins.
thestringpuller: coinbase is sorta lame tho
thestringpuller: they are always out of coins
deadweasel: entirely
deadweasel: like 20% of the time they are out.
deadweasel: mostly when it counts. but for buy and hold, there you are.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40999998 = 0.82 BTC [+]
altoz: ;; bids
gribble: (bids [--under] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>.
altoz: ;; bids 0
gribble: There are currently 15415600 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 32730066.198 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0126 seconds
altoz: ;; asks 99999999
gribble: There are currently 26624.421 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 144128612.843 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.8846 seconds
Tulak_: gribble, isnt that the otc bot?
dub: GET TO THE CHOPPA
dub: wrong movie, sry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1259 BTC [+]
dub: CONSIDER THAT A DIVORCE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16133 @ 0.00009479 = 1.5292 BTC [+] {3}
Tulak_: You got a lot of nerve showing up around here
pankkake: I scraped a few under 105 from last night, yay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00010818 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {6}
pankkake: I'll miss those daily dividend mails
dub: get your ass to mars
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, and who are you to begin with ?
ThickAsThieves: xbond, the only no-drama btc asset ever?
pankkake: don't be so sure
ThickAsThieves: it aint over yet!
pankkake: many bought at crazy prices
Tulak_: when I am in possession of btc, where shall I go
kakobrekla: to the moon!
Tulak_: okay
ThickAsThieves: btc is not a travel device
pankkake: while overdone I don't why, I irloled
pankkake: know
kakobrekla: Tulak_ you should go right here where you alraedy are.
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: My name is Don Corleone
thestringpuller: I PULL THE STRINGS
Apocalyptic: sounds legit
altoz: ;; asks 99999999
gribble: There are currently 26863.315 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 144306874.118 USD in total. | Data vintage: 68.3991 seconds
altoz: ;; bids 0
gribble: There are currently 15414152 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 32806358.5026 USD in total. | Data vintage: 73.6152 seconds
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: are you kidding? XBond has had the biggest bubble yet it seems
dub: not to be confused with wangs
Tulak_: kakobrekla: thanks for sending me into a loophole :D
ThickAsThieves: sense, can you make it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 449 @ 0.00495761 = 2.226 BTC [+] {6}
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: the IPO was at 0.001
thestringpuller: it flew up to as high as 0.00117
ThickAsThieves: it got much higher than that
thestringpuller: yea, aka a bubble
ThickAsThieves: bubble = drama?
thestringpuller: DRAMA ERRYWHERE
ThickAsThieves: potentially
ThickAsThieves: we'll see i guess
dub: drama the bubble that never pops
ThickAsThieves: i warned everyone
ThickAsThieves: more than once
ThickAsThieves: not to overpay
kakobrekla: about what
pankkake: xbond was the bond that did 18.25 APY, but every two weeks
kakobrekla: i guess taht is unavoidable and by definition necessary
kakobrekla: or something.
ThickAsThieves: every 2 weeks?
ThickAsThieves: like BFL?
pankkake: it's quite telling though, many other bonds were under face value at the time
pankkake: in the buy it and sell it over and over sense
Tulak_: are assets sold otc
ThickAsThieves: but sometimes
Tulak_: excuse my retard questions
ThickAsThieves: better than retard answers
kakobrekla: no, milk is not a scammer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 652 @ 0.00077582 = 0.5058 BTC [-]
jurov: I tell everyone to buy slowly, not at once, but it gets ignored
jurov: Not such a thrill, i guess.
KRS-: btc never ceases to amaze me..unreal..just sayin.
Tulak_: whats the common platform for assets
ThickAsThieves: so xbond buyback = AM1 rally?
ThickAsThieves: lets see
dub: Tulak_: mpex
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 631.18
Tulak_: dub:tyvm
pankkake: since we're spamming reflinks, the easiest (and cheapest) way to buy mpex stuff is https://coinbr.com/ref?c=V1CUawCMeE
thestringpuller: ;;calc (700 - 695) / 700
gribble: 0.00714285714286
thestringpuller: ;;calc (725 - 695) / 725
gribble: 0.0413793103448
thestringpuller: damn options are so expensive
kakobrekla: from every reflink posted in -assets kako gets 5%
dub: just man up and pay the $20k fee to trade on mpex
thestringpuller: most expensive I've ever seen options
thestringpuller: ;;calc (700 - 500) / 700
gribble: 0.285714285714
thestringpuller: ;;calc (900 - 500) / 700
gribble: 0.571428571429
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 1,169.30013031 / 1,169.30013031 (15 shares, 4.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
thestringpuller: lololololol
pankkake: I have havelocks in my havelocks http://i.imgur.com/UJ1whEm.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5424 @ 0.00078122 = 4.2373 BTC [+]
dub: needs moar CSS
Tulak_: so bitfunder and btc-tc shut down
Tulak_: is this related to ukyo?
cazalla: top of your class eh
Tulak_: im a bottomfeeder, tbh
deadweasel: good, you got your feet on the ground. good place to start.
Tulak_: next step is to get them wet
pankkake: bitfunder = Ukyo, btc-tc = burnside
pankkake: ;;seen burnside
gribble: burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <burnside> lol
pankkake: ;;seen Ukyo
gribble: Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio: pm
Tulak_: or get burned
cazalla: i wish saltydroid would cover some of this shit
ozbot: What Was On Alleged Silk Road Boss' Laptop At The Moment of His Arrest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.18288919 = 0.9144 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15065 @ 0.00078125 = 11.7695 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: running a drug empire from a public library
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.18288919 = 0.9144 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: Gator boots with dem pimped out Gucci suits
deadweasel: liabilities greater than their assets! lol.
cazalla: article mentions he kept a journal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.18288899 = 1.2802 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00209602 = 0.5764 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.0020967 = 0.1887 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1828999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.40999712 = 1.64 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.18292812 = 1.2805 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18339446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00209489 = 0.2011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00209489 = 0.2011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.18339446 = 0.3668 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.0038517 = 1.1555 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18339999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0020949 = 0.2095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22609 @ 0.00078359 = 17.7162 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: It's officially done, all XBOND units recalled and paid for.
thestringpuller: wait what
thestringpuller: you rebought xbond at 0.095?!?
thestringpuller: 0.00095?
mgio: no, they are recalled for 1.05
mgio: so happy i sold all mine last week :)
mgio: yeah .00105 lol
mgio: now if only if that could happen with ukyo.loan :( :(
ThickAsThieves: hopefully
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1834011 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ah there it is "And this is why you should never buy this type of bonds above their buy-back value. You never know when one of these operators is going to "cleanly" shut down and screw you out of your money."
mgio: where did you see that? no one is being screwed, its a HUGE risk to buy it at above the buy back value
pankkake: as always, blame others for your mistakes!
ozbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] Bitcoin's Only Exchangeable Bond
mgio: yeah, oh well, yup. blame others
mgio: its sad to see the bitcoin security world slowly fall apart :(
ThickAsThieves: i'm not really sure if that's what happening
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly changing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1835 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: was it really a bitcoin security world anyway?
mgio: well all the exchanges shutting down :(. I think we need a real peer-to-peer distributed security exchange based on colored coins that can't be shut down
ThickAsThieves: we need things worth investing, and places worth doing it
thestringpuller: mpex will never go anywhere
mgio: otherwise the SEC will also come and shut it down
thestringpuller: the 3 play exchanges were doomed to fail
thestringpuller: shut up mgio
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.20999946 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: no more of this talk of p2p exchanges
mgio: why do you think they were doomed to fail?
mgio: why not stringpuller?
thestringpuller: Because, as ThickAsThieves was need things worth investing in and places worth doing it
thestringpuller: as ThickAsThieves said*
Apocalyptic: everytime I see "peer-to-peer distributed exchange" i loose faith
pankkake: the issue is that every time it is mentionned without any thoughts of "how is this going to work"
pankkake: it's basically a meme
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2678 @ 0.00012669 = 0.3393 BTC [+] {2}
Apocalyptic: i have a deep conviction it can't work by design
ThickAsThieves: its like saying bitcoin solves everything again
ThickAsThieves: it cant work
pankkake: blockchain-based solutions can't solve it at least
pankkake: perhaps others, but no one found out how
Apocalyptic: yeah that is agreed upon i believe
Apocalyptic: but i extend it to any decentralized solution
ThickAsThieves: well it doesnt really solve anything that needs solving
ThickAsThieves: if people wanna have shady trading pools, they dont need a blockchain, they need to just get organized and make them
mgio: I've actually been working on figuring out how one would work
mgio: if I had the time, id do it myself
Apocalyptic: mgio, but you have the design figured out yet ,
pankkake: so… I think I'm just going to widthdraw my btc, no real desire to increase my positions on havelock :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39006666 = 1.1702 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: you should send them to some inactive bitbet address
pankkake: I'm only 0.03 up on bibet now
pankkake: SCAM!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000127 = 0.127 BTC [+]
pankkake: while winning 75% of bets
mgio: all the important stuff is already there in bitcoin, the only thing needed is need is a way to distribute info about each security, basically a peer to peer network
mgio: i know hwo it would work, i just dont have time to implement it
pankkake: what info? who owns what?
mgio: it would be no less secure than putting your faith in any of the exchanges outthere
thestringpuller: migo go buy some versace or something
pankkake: that's the easy part and actually already solved by exchanges themselves
mgio: yes but the exchanges are websites that can be shut down
pankkake: but anyone can backup the list of who owns what
pankkake: that's the one thing they did right
mgio: sure but its even simpler if anyone who wishes to participate runs a client that connects to a peer to peer network which contains all the relevant information
pankkake: that's decentralized backup, not decentralized exchange
mgio: thats just that half of it
mgio: the actually security exchange takes place using colored coins
ThickAsThieves: how many halves does it have!
mgio: basically uses the blockchain as a way to store who owns what
thestringpuller: dude. the intellectual discussion in assets has just plummetted like ASICMINER stock
thestringpuller: what's goin on
thestringpuller: why are we talking about colored coins?
ThickAsThieves: because we are lost without you
pankkake: mgio: the issue is decentralized order books. the "best" proposal by mastercoin still sucks for many reasons (you can back out of a trade and thus easily put fake buys, it's slow as fuck because you have to wait for a block each time, etc.)
mgio: colored coins are the easiest way to implement a distributed exchange, thats why. not sure why you are so pessimistic. yes, i agree, there is a lot of talking and not much doing. but it doesnt mean the ideas wont work
mgio: mastercoin is not the best
mgio: its a hack
mgio: colored coins requires no change to the bitcoin protocol
mgio: you can't back out of trades
thestringpuller: you are a n00b for thinking that
mgio: bitcoin allows you to have more complicated transactiosn, like...this transaction doesnt happen until both these things happen - the security is sent and it is paid for
mgio: well explain to me how it would be done
pankkake: if you want unstopable exchanges just hide them. proxies, i2p, tor, whatever
mgio: yeah right... like silk road
mgio: even that got shut down eventually
pankkake: because the owner was a dweeb
pankkake: some places are older than SR
pankkake: and again, exchanges already know how to handle their shutdown
mgio: yes because they dont have notoreity that SR had
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.2099999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: think of it like this. imagine all we had in the first place was colored coins. then some guys says 'hey check it out, i made the same thing but all in one interface with all these features, and its fast, and you can see all the markets, it so cool'
mgio: my point is, any exchange that actualyl becomes successful will eventually get shut down
ThickAsThieves: the premise is wrong here
mgio: im not sure what you are saying TAT
ThickAsThieves: to my knowledge, no bitcoin asset exchange has been 'shut down'
mgio: they were pressured to
ThickAsThieves: the owners have closed shop
ThickAsThieves: no they were not
ThickAsThieves: they were advised to
mgio: and if they didnt...well there would have been big trouble for them
mgio: im not saying i agree with it
ThickAsThieves: only if they didnt do what they needed
ThickAsThieves: and they were not prepared to do what was needed
Apocalyptic: sometimes it's hard to distinguish between pressure and advice
mgio: but we see now that even avoiding business with US customers doesnt protect you from the SEC
mgio: yes, well theyve called me
ThickAsThieves: the SEC called you?
mgio: yup
ThickAsThieves: for what
mgio: investigating bitfunder
ThickAsThieves: why you?
mgio: cause i post on the forums
Apocalyptic: ***breaking news***
pankkake: what
mgio: they've called a bunch of people im sure
mgio: they read the forums, im sure they read irc
Apocalyptic: there is no such things like assets' drama
pankkake: well senators ask redditors now
ThickAsThieves: what are they invetsigating
Apocalyptic: true that pankkake
mgio: weexchange and bitfunder
ThickAsThieves: what did they want to know
mgio: they wanted records of transaction logs and such
mgio: wanted to know if i was owed money by ukyo
mgio: if i had trouble withdrawing money from weexchange, etc
ThickAsThieves: so basically we are to assume someone has reported him for not paying out their money?
mgio: that probably happened. or more liekly they've been reading the bitcoin security forum all along
pankkake: that feels unreal
mgio: im guessing that what happened is ukyo was contacted warning him that he might be running an unlicensed security exchange at some point
mgio: and decided to shut down
ThickAsThieves: but qall they asked about was owing money
ThickAsThieves: the rest is just your conjecture?
mgio: yes, thats true
mgio: something make ukyo want to shut down
mgio: and since i know the sec is involved, it makes the most sense
mgio: but i dont know for sure
dub: pankkake: dat unreals feels
Bugpowdurr: [16:19] <mgio> im guessing that what happened is ukyo was contacted warning him that he might be running an unlicensed security exchange at some point
dub: ukyo was talking about how he had a team of lawyers working on getting registered and legal
Bugpowdurr: LOL this was known from day one.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10895 @ 0.00012024 = 1.31 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: what's the action
mgio: yes, i know, but as any in the industry knows, that is completely IMPOSSIBLE
Bugpowdurr: I mean... Nefario was stupid enough not to know
dub: I always suspected what eh ment was he asked his mom if it was ok to run a srs bzns
thestringpuller: what's the move? options?
mgio: legally there is no way to run a legit bitcoin secuirty exchange
Bugpowdurr: but POST GLBSE to not know is just... delusional.
mgio: it takes tons of money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0038612 = 0.4247 BTC [-] {2}
mgio: there is a reason why real stock IPOs are huge deals and need to be backed by huge banks
Bugpowdurr: The action is... China / bitstamp arb
mgio: the amount of regulations and money involved is staggering, no startup could ever do it
mgio: the best you could do is open an exchange for accredited investors, people with high net worth
dub: dude you're underistmating how awesome ukyo thinks he is
mgio: oh and ever security would have to go through the process too, none of the present securities would ever be able to list themselves on such an exchange
dub: Graet even thinks he is
dub: and he's bascially jesus
mgio: im sure he tried, and learned that it was impossible
mgio: he has some new plans for weexchange he told me about
mgio: im afraid it may never happen now though, oh well
dub: in the end, who gives a fuck?
thestringpuller: couldn't be better said than dub wub
mgio: i care only because i own a ton of ukyo.loan shares
mgio: i probably stand to lose more money in bitcoin that anyone else out there lol
ThickAsThieves: has ukyo given you a definite plan for repayment?
mgio: nope
mgio: with bitcoin at $700 total outstanding value of all ukyo.loan shares is $1.4 million
mgio: i dont think he has that much money
ThickAsThieves: maybe he can IPO BF
pankkake: what did he do with that loan?
mgio: hes been using it for new things for weexchange that he has yet to announce
ThickAsThieves: waitll you see the CSS dub
pankkake: if there is one site that needs CSS, it's weexchange!
Ukto: heh
Ukto: Ukyo _is working on weexchange
Ukto: mgio: given the situation I am working my best to make things right
mgio: oh hallo!
ThickAsThieves: there's two of them i knew it!
mgio: i know, i still have faith
Ukto: and Ukyo has not dissapeared
Ukto: ThickAsThieves: heh
altoz: ;; asks 9999999999
gribble: There are currently 25602.422 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 244241407.447 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0034 seconds
altoz: ;; bids 0
gribble: There are currently 15503356 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 32391679.8849 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.2820 seconds
mgio: just getting kind of anxious
Ukto: makes two of us :/
thestringpuller: You still owe me an FF7 Ukto
Ukto: thestringpuller: you said you got your copy for cheaper elsewhere
Ukto: and you never gave me tbc so hush
Ukto: btc~
dub: what a scammer
thestringpuller: I KNO RITE
thestringpuller: gosh ukto
Ukto: -_-
mpexbot: thestringpuller: 631.18
ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 15503356 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 32391679.8849 USD in total. | Data vintage: 151.1249 seconds
mgio: if you want to work on a peer to peer distributed security exchange let me know, lol
dub: ;;baratio
gribble: Total bids: 32391679 USD. Total asks: 25602 BTC. Ratio: 1265.18028 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 163.5256 seconds
mgio: although i have no idea how you could make money off of it lol
dub: altoz: use that ^^
Ukto: I dont want to work on anything other than weexchange heh
mgio: well if you need a programmer, let me know
thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <benkay> ;;later tell asciilifeform if pluggable rng, why not user-providable keys on later models?
thestringpuller: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 36 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2013/journalistic-responsibility-a-case-study/
Tulak_: mgio
Tulak_: whats your language
mgio: english
mgio: lol just kidding
mgio: java, c, c++, javascript,
mgio: i dont like php, have no experience with ruby but could learn,
Tulak_: the only language i'm capable of is php
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4099993 = 0.82 BTC [+]
Tulak_: and I hate the living hell out of it
Tulak_: we are learning java at university
pankkake: that's understandable
pankkake: the more you know it, the more you hate it
Tulak_: too many languages to choose from
Tulak_: and they are the same in some ways
mgio: oh and objective-c, i write iphone apps too
mgio: check out my Ozcoin Mining Pool Monitor on the app store
mgio: why ew
Tulak_: What do you do with c and c++. i've never done more than console stuff lol
Tulak_: write your name: Tulak. Hello Tulak!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.0497 = 0.4473 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0329 = 0.2961 BTC [+]
pankkake: you write Bitcoin for example (C++)
mgio: most recently i had to write a IM client using libpurple which is written in C, back in the day I ONLY wrote in C
mgio: I actually really love C++
Tulak_: I did an apprenticeship prior to going to university
mgio: if you are writing device drivers or an OS software you usually need to write it in C
Tulak_: and the scholar really destroyed c++ for us. deeming it a useless piece of shit
Tulak_: he said you dont need c++, and then we switched to php for unknown reasons
mgio: its hard to use, its not modern, but for many things its still the best
Tulak_: i think I will need to get back to c then
mgio: php is probably the worst modern language ever written
pankkake: lol. you're not going to learn proper C++ in school anyway
Tulak_: true that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.0039 = 0.1053 BTC [+]
Tulak_: You don't see a lot of webstuff in c
Tulak_: which is understandable
mgio: for website stuff i still prefer java and javascript
Tulak_: everyone is a webdeveloper nowadays. meh
thestringpuller: the best webserver ever is in C
Tulak_: do you code in plain java
Tulak_: or stuff like faces etc
pankkake: well a lot of the actual web stuff happens in C. databases, servers, etc.
mgio: pure java
mgio: for the client javascript side there are tons of libraries that make things easy
Tulak_: so far I've only looked for the easiest ways
Tulak_: rails, laravel, etc.
Tulak_: i feel ashamed :o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4099993 = 2.05 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 808 @ 0.00209489 = 1.6927 BTC [-]
mgio: jquery, knockout, coffeescript, underscore, angular, slickgrid, bootstrap, jade, etc.
mgio: i wish i knew ruby, maybe i'd like ruby on rails better
daybyter: I know some Ruby.
daybyter: Rails is not bad.
daybyter: But I prefer java for most of my stuff.
mgio: java is so easy
Apocalyptic: java is pure crap
daybyter: You are just used to it.
daybyter: But it is great for trading stuff.
mgio: whats wrong with java? are you a C# fan?
Apocalyptic: not at all
Apocalyptic: i'm not going to enumare the well known facts about java
Apocalyptic: i'm more of a C fan
daybyter: mgio: you do btc java stuff?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00078854 = 2.2079 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.03433999 = 0.103 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001249 = 0.1249 BTC [+]
WillTablet: Do you need to declare your bitcoin assets for capital gains tax?
dub: talk to your lawyer but generally, yes
ozbot: Bitcoin Is the Segway of Currency - Yahoo Finance
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 33224187.7105 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0013 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.2242 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0122 seconds
dub: ThickAsThieves: I stopped reading at 'it then opened on tuesday at..'
pankkake: 60% of bitcoins are spent on satoshi dice
pankkake: amazing journalism
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
turbo_ac100: ;;market sell 100
gribble: A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 74583.0447 USD and would take the last price down to 745.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 745.8304 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0003 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 111 @ 0.03559817 = 3.9514 BTC [+] {7}
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 30
gribble: A market order to sell 30 bitcoins right now would net 22483.7161 USD and would take the last price down to 747.0500 USD, resulting in an average price of 749.4572 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0000 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.03956285 = 0.2769 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.04085 = 0.2451 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: > In fact I was watching the price that day and I wouldn't be surprised if the price on the exchanges went from ~$700 or so to $750 in a matter of minutes.
kakobrekla: lol, thats reason enough not to bet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200000 @ 0.00077517 = 155.034 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: "I expect MP was abandoned as a child and this is how s/he gets back at the world."
truffles: a lil more than just that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.04199999 = 0.126 BTC [+]
deadweasel: i assume golden thread, pankkake ?
deadweasel: it's the troll-gift that keeps on giving
deadweasel: the golden road
truffles: hello deadweasel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00199 = 0.1632 BTC [-]
AndrewJackson: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 6428238.2662 USD and would take the last price down to 567.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 642.8238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 137.1150 seconds
truffles: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 771.4632, Best ask: 772.58181, Bid-ask spread: 1.11861, Last trade: 771.4632, 24 hour volume: 39106.11830864, 24 hour low: 595.21, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 697.57273
truffles: going up up up
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 270831 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 1328 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 668130491.865 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.62256
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0038733 = 0.3254 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-]
mike_c: bitbet feature request: bitbet.us/bet/[id]/data.json returns json object with relevant bet information. weighted no/yes, current weight, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00078643 = 4.5613 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0020938 = 0.1361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00078643 = 1.3763 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
pankkake: lol TradeFortress now appears -260 trust
pankkake: it's just useless to add more…
Apocalyptic: a painless tradeoff nonetheless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13219 @ 0.00078906 = 10.4306 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what's new ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: bitcoin made me a bit richer \o/
Azelphur: glad I took your advice you gave me a while back not to buy a house
Azelphur: and instead sit on it :)
Azelphur: I tagged $100,000 in the recent boom lol, not bad for an unemployed basement hacker type person.
thestringpuller: I haven't seen Azelphur in some time.
thestringpuller: Cray cray
Azelphur: I'm always about :)
Azelphur: working on my new company.
mircea_popescu: what's it gonna do ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake :)
Azelphur: but atm we're just going for good old fashioned merchant shop
Azelphur: easy way to get some money in
Azelphur: accepting all crypto coins is the plan though, I'm working on a payment module for django to make that happen
mike_c: bitstamp is a django shop, maybe you can borrow theirs :)
Azelphur: didn't know they were django, that's cool. I know localbitcoins is, and their bitcoin backend is open source too
Azelphur: I'm not sure if it'll play well with alt currencies, though
mircea_popescu: Azelphur tjhis " I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake" approach worked well for ohter bitcoin businesses.
Azelphur: it did? that's good xD
Azelphur: I got so fed up with all the trials of doing my own business, it's hard with all the legislative bullshit in UK
Azelphur: got robbed by the banks on more than one occasion :(
mircea_popescu: dude that bitbet thread...
mircea_popescu: funny where the ideological split chose to make itself evident.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: my boss presented me with some hilarious assclowns for consulting the other day though
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu why don't you write more articles on leadership?
Azelphur: they wanted me to clone localbitcoins, for $250...and any more than that and he could just pay his hacker friend to get the source
Azelphur: and they wanted us to be fully liable for when they get hacked, and they were looking at running it on a box with 300 other websites on it (wordpress, joomla, etc)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller leadership is like the D part of a D/s relationship. you gotta apprentice, it's impossible to learn by reading
mircea_popescu: Azelphur lolk
Azelphur: yea that was pretty much my response
Azelphur: "good luck with your hacker friend"
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mike_c: so.. you did a hg clone and charged them 250 hopefully :)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu doesn't that create a chicken and egg scenario? what bout the first leader?
thestringpuller: the first OG
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the first leader was there before there was speech. so not really much of a dilemma.
mircea_popescu: meh, is it me or are the really bad titjobs really multiplying these past years
dub: ooh that was close
dub: I nearly lost the string 'bad titjobs?' in a document
mircea_popescu: dub lol i should charge a fee
pankkake: that whole image is disgusting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake so now i'm also getting spam in french, not only english, chinese, russian, korean etc. i blame you.
pankkake: I don't get much French spam :( The best ones I had was about "winning the Bill Gates lottery"
mircea_popescu: o but allow me to impart.
mircea_popescu: rbatv ugg pas cher flujw bottes ugg pas cher udmou ugg pas cher en france zjdao ugg en soldes nrsgc
mircea_popescu: Nous correspondra liée à musicien et interprète longchamp le pliage medium nylon tote black Louis Vuitton longchamps canada hors de vos femmes? Elles sont créées pour finir par être à portée de main, puissant, robuste, en plus élastique alors que même maintenant
mircea_popescu: tho i guess i should blame the canadians plutot
pankkake: I blame google translate, I can't figure out what it means
pankkake: it doesn't compute
mircea_popescu: basically the way blog spam works these days is they just scrape a large bunch of facebook pages or w/e then randomly mix up the sentences, add linksat the seams and that's that
pankkake: I get a lot of "thanks for this article you are such an awesome writer" spams
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's that group too
pankkake: one time I had trouble figuring out if it was real or not (there was no link, so…)
mircea_popescu: dork prolly forgot to add the link in the spam script he bought
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mircea_popescu: i get lolstuff like :link1: :salutation: etc
mircea_popescu: also with $$ terminators
opc0d3: ICBIT.se by far the largest futures/derivatives exchange now.... MPEX left behind in the dust by charging 40BTC membership fee. what a joke.
ozbot: Hall of Fame
pankkake: haha yeah I got those. probably corroborates the whole "spammers don't make that much money" idea
pankkake: they're just dumb
pankkake: two trolls in a day!
opc0d3: MPEX exchange nothing but a scam. ICBIT.se amazing #1 top futures exchange. $ millions a day in volume
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
opc0d3: #1 AMAZING exchange ICBIT.se will be adding options soon. Very low pricing.... MPEX will be a wasteland of ZERO volume as soon as ICBIT.se adds options.... What a joke MPEX is...
pankkake: SHIT. on one of my open source projects I released, I got a "Only wanna tell that this is invaluable, Thanks for taking your time to write this."
mircea_popescu: i guess this is where i'm supposed to say something.
pankkake: I really, really thought it was sincere
opc0d3: all those idiotic pass-thru's taking comissions will be put out of business and MPEX will die a slow death
pankkake: but millions of blogs have it
mircea_popescu: well you're still special for us.
opc0d3: bitbet.us bet about ICBIT being a scam will go to the NO's. ICBIT.se #1 super top exchange. MPEX #1 scam
pankkake: also author used Internet Explorer and Windows, so not someone who could use my thing anyway
mircea_popescu: user agent strings are meaningless.
pankkake: eh, I got one star on Github
pankkake: if only you could sell them for btc
opc0d3: over $25 million volume on ICBIT.se in past 30 days. ICBIT.se making lots of money charging fees on large volume... MPEX sitting in the dust with no volume and high fees. MPEX doesn't understand economics. MPEX = joke. ICBIT= awesome
mircea_popescu: do stars do anything ?
pankkake: actually too much stars is like reddit karma. it's suspicious
opc0d3: ICBIT.se #1 super awesome site. go trade there. I'm #1 on the leaderboard. https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Top.aspx up only 1,000 BTC in past 30 days trading on ICBIT.se super awesome #1 futures site go now make account. #1 top site is awesome. MPEX is joke. ICBIT.se super good!
mircea_popescu: bitbet feature request: bitbet.us/bet/[id]/data.json returns json object with relevant bet information. weighted no/yes, current weight, etc. <<< kakobrekla that's prolly a good idea, stops people from scraping pages in desperation.
thestringpuller: lol page scraping is an art though
mircea_popescu: check this shit out :
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
pankkake: I am well versed in that art too :p
pankkake: wow such noobiness
mircea_popescu: it's like... jesus.
mircea_popescu: basically the horde of headless zombies wants to get their disgusting goop on anything
mircea_popescu: "o here's a cool patch of clean grass, let's vomit on it"
mircea_popescu: stay in your fucking pens, consumers!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.03147016 = 1.8882 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: bloctoc well what's the matter there ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.05999999 = 1.38 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, Right now I'm thinking of just plugging in a microphone and hiring some hookers, Rob Ford style <<< for the record, this is MP style!
asciilifeform: 'Ford style' would be rng based on puffs of (crack) smoke?
asciilifeform: (turbulent flow!)
mircea_popescu: lolerskates: starting my 6 months of lurking now << ahaha this is too good.
mircea_popescu: you around still nooblet lurker ?
mircea_popescu: kleeck: why is there an mpoe wall? << ancient artefact since the days mpoe took an investor this spring.
mircea_popescu: basically the deal on the table was either 5% for X premium or 10% for Y premium, Y > X.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, I thought you wouldn't need to hire hookers because slaves. Then again you mentioned you prefer the reduced stress environment of an open harem...
mircea_popescu: investor went for 5% and then a large buy appeared. it took a while to sell but i think over ~6 months it mostly bought like 2/3 or so
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the microphone sex part i meant.
BingoBoingo: Ah, yes.
mircea_popescu: or did i only mention that in private... hm...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, I believe it appeared on trilema or in trilema comments.
mircea_popescu: well then, i totally claim dibs on the whole concept of using innocent if luscious pretty young thing's mating heews and haws for computational purposes.
mircea_popescu: I AM TOTALLY THE FIRST TO HAVE DONE THAT.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0020865 = 0.5216 BTC [+]
dub: that aint shit, I created breakingbadbios which uses crack smoke signals for covert comms
mircea_popescu: my wafflemaker beats your smoke signals.
mircea_popescu: the guy has been reading your -assets comments!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell tulak_ one idea is to get into the wot. read gribble's info on that.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: that bios picture makes me nostalgic. newer bioses are so fancy
mircea_popescu: true that.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to quote some clever young gent for your benefit, "There are way to many companies like this in Bitcoin. We need to stop supporting these crooked business practices if we want bitcoin to succeed."
thestringpuller: who would that clever gent be?
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: that thread was funny, apparently buncha people got the message.
mircea_popescu: not the original poster, i guess, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: what's with all the folks obsessed with 'being part of bitcoin!' ? i mean, it makes sense to want riches, but it is a curious way of phrasing it.
asciilifeform: where is 'i wanna be part of euro!'
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic : we need peer to peer distributed faith, brah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you misunderstand the religious impulse animating most of the web crowd.
mike_c: greece wants to be part of euro
mircea_popescu: they wish "to be part of" various things. such as "change", "progress", "the solution" and not "the problem" etc.
asciilifeform: what happened to good old-fashioned honest avarice.
mircea_popescu: they don't want to be rich, and they don't want to be powerful. they just want to... be.
mircea_popescu: avarice is for crabs not amoeba.
mircea_popescu: also, people, you have ruined my fucking life. I go spend half a day in my dungeon knee deep in blossoming adolescent pussy, come back, read the log and regret i missed out on all the fun.
mircea_popescu: fuck you.
thestringpuller: crab people?
mircea_popescu: this shouldn't exist.
mircea_popescu: it's unfair and i should be refunded all my regrets!
pankkake: we can exchange lives if you want
mircea_popescu: at first i read "livers"
mircea_popescu: i was hmm...
pankkake: livers are barely worth an ipad these days
ozbot: Activist Post: American Borders Will Be Changing
asciilifeform: republikflucht is a big no-no.
nubbins`: hard on the chicken fingers & beer tonight
thestringpuller: meal fit for a girl scout
mircea_popescu: or being deemed likely to cause “serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States.”
mircea_popescu: this is like...
asciilifeform: on paper, most governments reserve the right to 'we don't like you - go away.' the question is where it will happen in practice.
nubbins`: oh wow, you can get denied a passport for having smoked a joint?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, wait. on paper no eu government reserves the right to refuse a passport for "national security or foreign policy reasons"
mircea_popescu: it's also quite actionable before the hr court.
mircea_popescu: i like this mgio kid.
thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <benkay> ;;later tell asciilifeform if pluggable rng, why not user-providable keys on later models?
Bugpowdurr: $1000 is gonna happen soon
mike_c: get ur 10 btc ready to drop on that bitbet
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 750.47291, Best ask: 751.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.52709, Last trade: 751.0, 24 hour volume: 38779.49420170, 24 hour low: 595.21, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 707.43635
cazalla: hope so, i can consider leaving my wife at 1k
Bugpowdurr: my wife lets me order tesla at 1k
mircea_popescu: cazalla why leave her ? sell her!
Bugpowdurr: supposedly
mpexbot: thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
cazalla: we can't sell women in australia and her market value wouldn't be much anyway
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
Bugpowdurr: tho I'm not selling any more coins to pay for it
mike_c: grr, bitcoincharts 502 (again). anybody know another good place to get gox trade history?
Bugpowdurr: fuck that
mircea_popescu: mike_c bitcoinity maybe ?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr so how do you buy it then ?
gaysian: mike_c: bitcoinwisdom?
Bugpowdurr: With cash?
mircea_popescu: o. i had forgotten that works.
Bugpowdurr: Bitcoin is not our primary income stream
mike_c: those have charts, but not seeing historical trade data. i guess i'll wait for bitcoincharts api to come back
mircea_popescu: i wish i could still say the same, but at least as far as paper valuations are concerned...
Bugpowdurr: Although now she is all in on bitcoin... Finally.... Hoarding coins
Bugpowdurr: You should buy a plane
mircea_popescu: mike_c bitcoinity has a 2 year option
Bugpowdurr: like a used g5
nubbins`: my bitcoin valuation makes my day job look mildly embarassing
mircea_popescu: or used to at some point.
Bugpowdurr: and install a hot tub
thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: when are you going to make your own lab, you surely have enough by now
Bugpowdurr: although that would be too heavy
Bugpowdurr: I start Jan 1st
Bugpowdurr: Renovations done in march
thestringpuller: Ah you took the plunge!
thestringpuller: WHat research are you planning on doing?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller he's taking a step down from rats :
Bugpowdurr: Synthetic perception
mircea_popescu: will be cutting open bitcointalk user skulls
Bugpowdurr: basically generating haptic feedback in mentally controlled robotic arms via direct brain stimulation
thestringpuller: isn't bitcointalk part of a huge funding controversy nw?
Bugpowdurr: if it works
thestringpuller: someone saying theymos ran off with 10k of coin?
thestringpuller: donated to the site
Bugpowdurr: he distributed it to many people
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr that's cool stuff.
Bugpowdurr: so stupid
Bugpowdurr: The issue is I need to break out of the mouse
Bugpowdurr: and get into human
mircea_popescu: yes. it was as stupid as only a 20yo ancient bitcoin user could have conceived.
Bugpowdurr: for DARPA funding
Bugpowdurr: but tech isn't there yet for precise CNS stim in humans
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr this will sound corny, but, you should really talk to the chinese/koreans
Bugpowdurr: about what?
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Bugpowdurr: science or bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: i give you about 3x better odds to get financing.
Bugpowdurr: hahah
mircea_popescu: about your research.
dub: typical Schneier
Bugpowdurr: I think I'll get funding
truffles: DARPA sounds like LOST
Bugpowdurr: I have a decent startup
mircea_popescu: dub i love the "nsa is 100% not doing this" part
dub: flaws in implementaion not the protocol
Bugpowdurr: And I am talking to the Chinese re: arb
dub: though the protocol could use some extra knobs to help with this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.003852 = 0.6625 BTC [-]
Bugpowdurr: counterparty risk is problematic. There is a reason all the big chinese empires are kept in the family
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr just a thought. they're spending a shitton on advanced robotics research atm
Bugpowdurr: hrmmm...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.00208949 = 0.5245 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001248 = 1.248 BTC [+]
dub: mircea_popescu: he says the odss of nsa not doing it are 0%, but he's probably wrong, they dont need this they have quantum
mircea_popescu: yeah, quantum dingbats.
Bugpowdurr: quantum bullshit
dub: quantum is the name of their mitm program
Bugpowdurr: quantum VC
truffles: theyre probably reading your plans as we speak
asciilifeform: they've got - 'remote viewers!' with magic. as seen 'men who stare at goats.' surely.
Bugpowdurr: Not that D-Wave thing
mircea_popescu: dub "they don't need this" has afaik never stopped any public expenditure to date.
dub: last week or so snowden revealed they used it to deliver trojans to specific linkedin users
mircea_popescu: not even in like, ghana
asciilifeform: incidentally 'they broke rsa ages ago' makes for a good crackpot theory regarding the wasteful incompetence of, well, everything else. smoke screen.
mircea_popescu: dub yes, but it was to attack a telecom.
asciilifeform: i think he was referring to 'QUANTUM' rather than feynman's 'quantum computer.'
dub: as was I
dub: norly they used superposition to put malway on remote disks derp
dub: malware*
asciilifeform: dub: if you had a working 'shor's algo' setup, you could put pretty much whatever you like, anywhere you like.
asciilifeform: without weird telecom gymnastics.
asciilifeform: or the cooperation of willing idiots.
thestringpuller: trilema needs a search function
thestringpuller: why has this not been developed yet?
pankkake: it's called googling site:trilema.com butts
mircea_popescu: the mtgox price chart looks like a free oscillator in action
pankkake: I do it mostly on log.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com butts
gribble: Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: <http://trilema.com/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times>; Clear signs that you're gay you don't even know about! pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/clear-signs-that-youre-gay-you-dont-even-know-about>; Apparently I'm not the only one pointing out the obvious pe (1 more message)
pankkake: it was more oscillating last day
mircea_popescu: always good for a chuckle
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com "apply for money"
gribble: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/ripple-the-definitive-discussion>; Wikileaks - CII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-cii>; The bitchslapping of 2013… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-bitchslapping-of-2013>
thestringpuller: ah there it is
thestringpuller: the bitch slapping of 2013
thestringpuller: thanks for that pankkake
truffles: is pankkake derived from bukkake?
pankkake: ;;later tell Vexual can you dig it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFHkO3CqnjU
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: truffles: yes
truffles: it was bugging me :D
pankkake: it's a good way to spot people who know what bukkake is, or are willing to admit it in public :p
pankkake: (especially IRL)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: was bukkake widely known in the time of Dukkakis? perhaps this might explain his ill fortune.
mircea_popescu: afaik bukkake only became a household... item in the mid 90s
truffles: so u think ppl would be embarassed by saying that, i dont
pankkake: probably not known before the internet
pankkake: I blame KaZaa porn mostly
mircea_popescu: it was somewhat known due to german fascination with weird vhs
pankkake: and the German Goo Girls :)
pankkake: ah well, so you are part of the people who know how to say bukkake correctly
pankkake: not ba-cake
Bugpowdurr: l8r dudes....
asciilifeform: more like kabuki.
truffles: i dont think i need to know that 1
pankkake: mircea_popescu: too bad that girl doesnt exist, because I love her
mircea_popescu: i thot the internet way of looking at things was more like "thanks goodness the girl doesn't exist, because i love her"
asciilifeform: how's that work?
truffles: she's got blood on her nose
mircea_popescu: i guess it works not too well.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: frenchiepoofs and their freckle fetish
truffles: more blood
mircea_popescu: you know, we call them gingers, and we EAT THEM
pankkake: is it so wrong to like people with no souls?
ThickAsThieves: if you have to ask!
pankkake: at least it's not slanderous…
truffles: what a weird thing to have a preference for
pankkake: it's not much of the fetish, but I won't admit most of my other fetishes :)
ThickAsThieves: it's a cry for help
truffles: what about feet
mircea_popescu: what's the big deal about admitting to various kinks ?
pankkake: feet is pretty mainstream
mircea_popescu: feet is only mainstream among impotent old men.
truffles: ure out there huh
pankkake: it's more in the ridiculous range
pankkake: though there are actually a few websites dedicated to them
truffles: looks like MP will stay young forever
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla some lol to tame the slanderous soul you don't have : http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/#c1851
mircea_popescu: basically bitstamp is going to get deluged into requests to do weird manual things to their incoming.
truffles: freckle face made me think she'd rip off her mask and reveal http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118136/2216490-voldemort01.jpg
kakobrekla: and then tries to sell it to me
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla we run wordpress ?!
kakobrekla: I'm selling really beautiful wordpress theme for social betting site as yours. I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know. Hopefully you might be interested to uptade the look and feel of your site.
kakobrekla: Best regards,
pankkake: hopefully no, otherwise I'm asking for a refund
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0020929 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is that intended to read "uptard" ?
mircea_popescu: "I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know." this is possibly the winner.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, i would like you to have my babies.
mircea_popescu: i know you're not female and therefore lack the requisite apparatus, but... YOU NEVER KNOW
kakobrekla: sorry, my utterus is full
kakobrekla: uterus*
mircea_popescu: "uterus is utterly fowl"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: resemblance to a chicken (when seen on an anatomist's table) is amazingly close.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: BitBet - AsianSlave4sales IPO
mircea_popescu: im still hoping that one happens.
kakobrekla: what is this even
mircea_popescu: meme material, maybe.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i saw that. curious where this ends.
mircea_popescu: perhaps unicameral parliament ?
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking it will probably end in a drone backed coup leading to a RoboKleptocratic government. Like the terminator, but with theft instead of all that killing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to steal in the us.
mircea_popescu: apple doesn't repatriate it's currency holdings. nobody else is. there's literally nothing there, you can steal the real estate if you wish the hassle of running it
dub: untrue
mircea_popescu: which by now through regulation costs more than it's worth anyway.
dub: america is vitally important for one thing
dub: they drink bourbon
BingoBoingo: Well there's still fields full of chemistry products.
mircea_popescu: so te plan is for a robocleptocratic bourbon heistin' government ?
mircea_popescu: sort of like the pirates except not with rum ?
dub: we need them to dispose of it too, nobody else will drink it
BingoBoingo: Well it only seems like the end of the line for the US's current unholy marriage of socialism, surveillance, military robots, and IT contractors who can't make web sites.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0646 = 1.615 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Moose-eating shark rescued in Newfoundland harbour - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: the b'ys found a shark choking on a moose carcass
dub: stuff you can't make up #38575345
dub: Chaulk said another local man, Jeremy Ball, arrived on the scene and starting pulling on the moose chunk. Shark rescue Jeremy Ball of Norris Arm North, N.L., moves the beached shark into deeper water. "A couple yanks and it just came right out."
nubbins`: turns out sharks like moose, too ;(
nubbins`: or uh, what do you guys call them in europe?
nubbins`: elk?
asciilifeform: on the contrary, there is plenty to steal from a decaying superpower. witness the 'cable contains no copper!' (dirty lie!) signs that have popped up at construction sites.
asciilifeform: just as rebar was 'mined' from soviet missile bases.
asciilifeform: (and iron from manhole covers.)
asciilifeform: and virtually anything you might think of as stationary, can be dismantled and sold, if the will is there
nubbins`: i know a couple of guys who always seem to come across loads of copper wire
nubbins`: the trick, i'm told, is to burn it in a gasoline fire in a barrel to remove the plastic coating
asciilifeform: quite a few of the 'underwater' houses in the u.s. are, unknown to their 'owners,' husks that have been stripped of wire, pipes...
nubbins`: makes sense
asciilifeform: daring thieves have been attaching trucks to live (!) high voltage transformers, and driving off.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i suppose it'd be elk, but elk is small
asciilifeform: (it is kept out of the national papers, but you'll find it if you know where to look - local news.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're going to make a pile of vinyl siding ? grand.
dub: asciilifeform: kinda like hte nigerians stealing natural gas out of high pressure pipelines and blowing up whole villages
mircea_popescu: dub no, that's romanians.
mircea_popescu: magistral pipeline going through gypsy encampments loses about 1 milibar per mile.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: moose are pretty big. there's also another animal here called the elk which is apparently 100% unrelated to the european ones
nubbins`: so who knows
asciilifeform: dub: there's metals theft for plebes, and nicer things for the nobles (vanishing scientific equipment, war machines, piles of precious metals and still not entirely-worthless currency)
dub: I still say old bourbon barrels to age scotch is is a better use case
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno. some people stole soviet nuke subs. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: the only way theft is worth it is if you steal the various factories/other means of production just as the new regime is coming into power.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, stealing as the old regime is dieing is pure harpagon nonsense
mircea_popescu: the problem with this, of course, is that the us produces exactly nothing.
asciilifeform: or if you'd just like to be loaded at your new destination, a still-functioning locale
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00078903 = 14.3603 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: the people who made off with what remained of the ussr are quite happy campers in london, paris, etc. last i checked.
mircea_popescu: happy campers, ie m,iddle class.
mircea_popescu: they could have gotten three a thousand different ways
asciilifeform: middle class - and alive.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's nothing to write a bio about.
asciilifeform: the results are considerably more felt on the 'giving' than the 'receiving' end.
nubbins`: hey, speaking of london and paris! i'm visiting europe next summer
asciilifeform: try driving over missing manhole covers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform def a problem, that. but i believe in just punishment.
mircea_popescu: this is where i remind of
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema conference 2nd edition
gribble: What Can The President Do When Congress Gives Him a “Trilemma ...: <http://verdict.justia.com/2013/01/08/what-can-the-president-do-when-congress-gives-him-a-trilemma-of-unconstitutional-choices>; monroe freedman's solution to the criminal defense lawyer - Hofstra ...: <http://law.hofstra.edu/pdf/Academics/Journals/LawReview/lrv_issues_v34n03_CC8_Gillers_final.pdf>; Financial (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: omfg the fail that i am.
nubbins`: autocorrect got ya
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com conference 2nd edition
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: am i the only one seeing the article as top result there ?
nubbins`: #1 for me
mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf gribble.
nubbins`: site:trilema.com conference 2nd edition returns nothing tho
nubbins`: 2nd vs second, algos, amirite?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [+]
Tulak_: greetings
pankkake: not sure he had the time to get that ;;later tell
kakobrekla: oh hes gone
kakobrekla: i gots parts and quits disabled
kakobrekla: and joins
kakobrekla: and whatnot
pankkake: I got them disabled in the activity indicator but not in windows
pankkake: that would be too confusing
kakobrekla: i like confusing
kakobrekla: thats why i start to watch the movies in the middle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: and then watch the first part on the end if the second is any good
pankkake: you miss relevant info like smidge [smidge@p4FDCECAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: sorry,but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...]
nubbins`: just the sort of guy you want to do business with
pankkake: just got a pm "I love how you literally took a shit, and wiped it all over OP's face."
pankkake: my life is worthwile!
truffles: good for u
KRS-: I'm with you pankkake!
truffles: hi KRS- drinking tonite
KRS-: yup..making trades =D
truffles: dont go all out on the lite stuff :D
KRS-: I have a diversified portfolio...that BTC-e trollbox should be pay per view subscription its so entertaining lol
nubbins`: diversity!
pankkake: if you only have bitcoins you're a coincist?
pankkake: so now without XBOND I don't know how to make more bitcoins out of my bitcoins
KRS-: <3 XBOND
pankkake: what should one do?
truffles: listen to music?
pankkake: I'm listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecN84dNfU-U probably the worst idea given that I should go to sleep
pankkake: but that doesn't make more bitcoins
truffles: ull never have enough though
pankkake: I don't have many needs
truffles: so why do u seek moar
mike_c: bitcoins aren't fiat, you don't need moar! they don't lose value!
KRS-: This is for my Federal friends out there watchin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyt1hEN7wTA
nubbins`: you always need more
mike_c: then i recommend the simona halep bitbet. free money.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.1834346 = 1.4675 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: actually I already can buy myself my ultimate fantasy right now (10 TB of solid state storage)
mike_c: wow. the mttf on that must be measured in seconds
pankkake: I'm accounting for enough RAID
mike_c: that would be very fun
truffles: terrible song KRS-
KRS-: =/
KRS-: its cool we all have our own thing
pankkake: I probably own more than 30 hard drives already. don't know what I'm going to do with the old ones
pankkake: those things are heavy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00209292 = 0.8539 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: KRS- someone should make a "now in bitshits&coingiggles"
mircea_popescu: and just live 24/7 to copy-paste the lulzy drama and whatnot
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 734.10001, Best ask: 734.18174, Bid-ask spread: 0.08173, Last trade: 734.18174, 24 hour volume: 37926.58615795, 24 hour low: 602.00001, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 714.74625
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007725 / 0.00078853 / 0.00083076 (425473 shares, 335.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082562 / 0.00085604 (1742109 shares, 1,438.33 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082829 / 0.00088996 (4600300 shares, 3,810.41 BTC)
mircea_popescu: amazing ipo
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
KRS-: LOL mircea_popescu..wonder if anyone would give a shiggigle.
mircea_popescu: o wow it dipped all the way to 77 huh
thestringpuller: amazing ipo
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: HAHAHAHA
mircea_popescu: KRS- prolly...
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo so, earlier today i spent ~5 dollars (~1 ltc ?) in exchange for about 2 pounds of prime portobello which i've just fried in corn oil.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0020948 = 0.2053 BTC [+]
ozbot: "Fear the Boom and Bust" a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem - YouTube
KRS-: lol pankkake
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.407 = 1.221 BTC [+]
KRS-: these aint bad quite entertaining
KRS-: would have been great vids to watch during my college economics classes
dub: corn oil?
KRS-: i breezed through those classes for some reasonit all made sense to me
pankkake: probably more informative than any economics classes I took
dub: that straya cunt guy is pretty good on philosophy
pankkake: "The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge." BOOM
mircea_popescu: is this stoya ?
mircea_popescu: a hayek.
pankkake: well, fake hayek
mircea_popescu: it'd be so cool if someone paid some of the better whores to go on cam doing this sort of shit
pankkake: there's already Naked News
mircea_popescu: "stoya debating donna"
mircea_popescu: ya but...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.03989449 = 0.8777 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: pornstars probably know more about economics than the average tv expert
mircea_popescu: especially those whose names i know.
mircea_popescu: anyway, wunderbar production this.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: actually, a lot of them do
Diablo-D3: porn stars know a LOT about the business
pankkake: they will soon ask to be paid in bitcoins
Diablo-D3: honestly, I dont know why they dont now
Diablo-D3: do you know who invented https, really?
Diablo-D3: and made it ubiquitous in all browsers?
Diablo-D3: the porn industry
Diablo-D3: the banking industry et al. got the sloppy seconds on that one
pankkake: pretty much any tech
mircea_popescu: "Did you hear about the Obama Happy meal? You may order anything you wish, and the guy behind you is required to pay for it."
pankkake: also deciding the winner of vhs vs. betamax
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: itym republican happy meal
Diablo-D3: pankkake: yeah
Diablo-D3: pankkake: that was just dumb
Diablo-D3: there is no moral high ground in tech
mircea_popescu: it isnt what it used to be tho.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 265 @ 0.00385102 = 1.0205 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.003851 = 1.1553 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0020939 = 0.2094 BTC [-]
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