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bgupta: is http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/ acting wonky for anyone else
bgupta: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 539.99998, Best ask: 540.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 539.99998, 24 hour volume: 89638.61323138, 24 hour low: 500.0, 24 hour high: 819.965, 24 hour vwap: 645.96744
dub: yeah the socket adn api is still hosed
bgupta: ahh... it's totally lagging and trades are from 22 mins ago
dub: oh well this is good, we'll be down to double digits again
deadweasel: fuckyea
dub: 9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21&origin=pubsub.pubnub.com <- the live feed is doing fine
dub: shitpaste
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.452 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11607 @ 0.00009469 = 1.0991 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15200001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.004001 = 0.2561 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.03099999 = 0.248 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 527.0, Best ask: 528.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 527.0, 24 hour volume: 98572.30226817, 24 hour low: 475.1, 24 hour high: 819.965, 24 hour vwap: 625.0883
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00083853 = 7.7983 BTC [-]
Namworld: Falling down. Can't do otherwise after such a rapid and ridiculous rise.
Namworld: Seems after correction, we'll still have made huge gains over 100USD/BTC
mircea_popescu: we did fine. coulda been a lot worse.
mircea_popescu: course, the azns don't have anyone keeping an eye on things and it shows. they got lucky this time.
mircea_popescu: but they're only on wave two. who knows wtf they cook next time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.0602 = 0.903 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00188 = 0.2989 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00083853 = 3.2703 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.484799 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00429999 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0043 = 0.215 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout check out new trilema paid content mechanism :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11912 @ 0.00084053 = 10.0124 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46 = 2.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 438 @ 0.00084132 = 0.3685 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00410001 = 0.2829 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.0041028 = 0.8329 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00428 = 0.2525 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0042999 = 0.129 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.48816361 = 5.3698 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50479999 = 3.0288 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 134 @ 0.00429977 = 0.5762 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00432831 = 0.4069 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00433997 = 0.3255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0600103 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084003 = 3.0241 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.18356049 = 0.5507 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00433 = 0.1949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4529 @ 0.00084441 = 3.8243 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: ;ticker
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 467.0, Best ask: 469.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.99500, Last trade: 470.0, 24 hour volume: 92855.34179932, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 748.0, 24 hour vwap: 581.30454
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 128 @ 0.00104889 = 0.1343 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.55486000 BTC to 1`109`720 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00410101 = 0.4306 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.004101 = 0.1845 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00439999 = 0.1452 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0045001 = 0.315 BTC [+]
ozbot: Gambling script PM: beware
mircea_popescu: this is pretty lulzy
dexX7: lol
dexX7: do you have the link to the file?
mircea_popescu: i could ask the girl for it but i'd rather not spread the stuff.
mircea_popescu: pm her on the forum asking.
mircea_popescu: also in the news :
ozbot: Please remove Chaang Noi (Goat) or BadBear from default trust list
mircea_popescu: theymos now adding known scammers to the default trust list.
ozbot: COINBASE RIPPED ME OFF $50k. *WARNING WARNING WARNING*
mircea_popescu: the forum is a riot.
kleeck: ^ That pisses me off a bit.
kleeck: Having helped Ukto out, and knowing he is trying to return Bitcoin.
kleeck: Or rather, he IS returning Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: how long ago did the thing close ? coupla weeks ? a month ?
kleeck: It still isn't closed.
kleeck: Bitfunder closes on Dec 4th, i think.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean the announcement
kleeck: The announcement was Nov 4th.
Ukto: Iam trying to work on things.
kleeck: There is no question that it's taking a long time, but that doesn't mean he is running with the money.
mircea_popescu: teh ppl are getting antsy i guess.
Ukto: sometime there are external forces that effect things
dexX7: such as?
mircea_popescu: well, likely what happened is they wanted to sell
kleeck: for sure.
mircea_popescu: now that the price bottomed out they're pissy.
mircea_popescu: typical commercial dispute.
mircea_popescu: also in the news,
ozbot: BitBet - AsianSlave4sales IPO
kleeck: wtf
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 529.79001, Best ask: 529.96165, Bid-ask spread: 0.17164, Last trade: 528.80179, 24 hour volume: 85103.40590359, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 748.0, 24 hour vwap: 576.02458
kleeck: mircea_popescu, what is the story behind that one?
mircea_popescu: jesus god the past coupla days i "lost" like a quarter billion dollars off my net worth!
kleeck: :(
mircea_popescu: woe is me!
kleeck: hah
mircea_popescu: i will never be able to care about losing anything ever again ;/
kleeck: Should've sold!
mircea_popescu: i sold a little.
mircea_popescu: we all did. gotta bring things to sanity somehow.
dexX7: in the context that you called yourself "the real and only regulating force of bitcoin" (or so) this statement is actually somewhat scarry :p
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
thestringpuller: actually I'd say the mining pool overseers have more regulatory power
thestringpuller: they determine what code is actually enforced
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a fine balance of many things
mircea_popescu: as it should be.
thestringpuller: ideally the free market determines the overall regulatory force
thestringpuller: but mircea_popescu has once said, "too soon to tell"
mircea_popescu: it's never too soon to be scared tho :D
thestringpuller: nigga I iz from detroit, I got real problems
mircea_popescu: how's detroit
thestringpuller: Detroit is actually the best place to start a business for people like yourself tbh.
thestringpuller: The governement's law enforcement has limited bounds due to the rampant criminal activity.
thestringpuller: So it's like Anarchy there in some spots.
mircea_popescu: i don't know the people, nor do i care to meet them.
thestringpuller: buy an old house for like 10 g's
thestringpuller: turn it into a fortress
thestringpuller: make it a data center
thestringpuller: you don't even wanna meet Eminem?
mircea_popescu: eminem isn't even near the top of the list.
thestringpuller: what rapper would you want to meet?
mircea_popescu: any rapper that's a teenage girl with nice hooters and doesn't take her rapping self too seriously.
thestringpuller: nikki minaj circa 2009
thestringpuller: very controversial stance tho!
mircea_popescu: 'm not that fixated on the teenage part either.
mircea_popescu: whose stance, her or mine ?
mircea_popescu: have a plushie.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4600016 = 4.6 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 128 @ 0.00410076 = 0.5249 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: that photo looks like it was taken when hugh hefner didn't have wrinkles...
mircea_popescu: so like 2009.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4535 = 2.721 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: so how goes the ludwig von mises reading?
thestringpuller: you'd probably like murray rothbard too
mircea_popescu: i managed to get about halfway his first chapter producing like 11 articles in the process
mircea_popescu: in the end i will probably write a million words on that book
mircea_popescu: if i ever manage to complete it
mircea_popescu: ahaha reddit is so funny. so first,
ozbot: Starbucks to make announcement regarding Bitcoin by/around Thanksgiving : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4485 = 3.588 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: 207 reddit comments = 0.002 btc zeroconf, or 2% of what bitbet puts in on the house.
thestringpuller: wait they are using reddit to bet?
thestringpuller: on this guise prediction?
mircea_popescu: my guess would be this is accurate : every 100k reddit comments = 1 btc
ystarnaud: reddit... lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.434 = 2.17 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: we should make a bitbet on it
mircea_popescu: but at least they did figure out what to do and everything
mircea_popescu: so props to them
mircea_popescu: and since we're on the topic of bets :
ozbot: BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros
ozbot: BitBet - Simona Halep to show at AU Open
mircea_popescu: the odds on those should be pretty good seeing how i went deep on the yes side out of patriotism
thestringpuller: so mircea_popescu would you say your weakness is a solid femme fatale?
thestringpuller: film noir style
mircea_popescu: nah. i get along great with those
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is brock samson
mircea_popescu: the femme fatale is the weakness of sexually insecure, latently gay heroes as constructed for the sexualyl insecure, latently gay us public cca 1950
mircea_popescu: fucking difficult to be threatened by one once you've had threesomes with her sister.
thestringpuller: not if they trynna con you
mircea_popescu: now why would they do that ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42000002 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.42000001 = 1.68 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: Who knows, maybe because you fucked their sister when you said you'd love only them forever and ever.
mircea_popescu: i never say that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.40138484 = 13.2457 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: i know, I was being sarcastic. I like your commentary on the insecure latently gay hero
thestringpuller: reminds of Hitchcock's _Rope_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.39883 = 3.9883 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: since many critics say the "heroes" of that movie were latently gay for one another
mircea_popescu: i don't even remember if i saw that one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 197 @ 0.00401556 = 0.7911 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.3637068 = 9.0927 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 613 @ 0.00372514 = 2.2835 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00083853 = 1.7609 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;ticket --market all
gribble: Error: "ticket" is not a valid command.
benkay: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 560.0, vol: 85614.29529543 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 499.999, vol: 65844.95948 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.0, vol: 14492.17096987 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 687.019368, vol: 93626.87100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 591.320264032
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.35122 = 3.5122 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00331465 = 0.3182 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: ;;thicket
gribble: Error: "thicket" is not a valid command.
benkay: .bush
benkay: ;;shrubbery
gribble: Error: "shrubbery" is not a valid command.
ozbot: The reason you can’t have nice numbers and other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5010 @ 0.00105487 = 5.2849 BTC [+] {9}
mircea_popescu: more stuff about the cardano. basically we're spending an inordinate ammount of time on the rng side of things.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.13100005 = 0.262 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: people spend billions of dollars on RNG for pure research, so I mean, is that really all that surprising?
mircea_popescu: it's where crypto implementations live or die.
thestringpuller: http://www.arc.gatech.edu/ - did work with them, they get couple hundred mil each year just for crypto stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1010 @ 0.0019098 = 1.9289 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00199999 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00334203 = 0.5882 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Flickr: Cellular Solutions NE Ltd's Photostream
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 752 @ 0.0038 = 2.8576 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00199999 = 1.972 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.37001 = 1.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "here's a list of 16 entities that'd love to be important in bitcoin"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03110666 = 0.1555 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0033 = 0.1518 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00320638 = 0.2661 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: morning, fellow adventurers
mircea_popescu: not so bad.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.35796363 = 3.9376 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: mostly for the The hackers are hopelessly outclassed at this game. Hell, the majority of them don’t even know that they’re playing!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.37 = 1.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3709 @ 0.00084517 = 3.1347 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15200001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00341 = 0.3444 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: Expecting the tools to provide security for you is like buying a set of weights and then sitting around waiting for your fitness to improve.
nubbins`: hear,, hear!
mircea_popescu: or like getting a coupla bombshells to follow you around and expecting this'll make you seem all cool and shit.
mircea_popescu: o, wait...
kleeck: Wow.
thestringpuller: i think bombshells following you is a clear indication you are as cool as Bender Rodriguez
kleeck: ANyone following this Havelock IPO?
kleeck: I know ThickAsThieves is.
ThickAsThieves: i follow all things
mircea_popescu: ;;google Bender Rodriguez
gribble: Bender (Futurama) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bender_(Futurama)>; Bender Bending Rodríguez - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: <http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Bender_Bending_Rodr%C3%ADguez>; Bender Bending Rodriguez - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki: <http://theinfosphere.org/Bender_Bending_Rodriguez>
kleeck: What do you think?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller is the guy i learn names from.
kleeck: The price just seems completely outrageous.
mircea_popescu: kleeck everyone imagines they're worth like, a shitton.
kleeck: I know! I'm worth at least 20 Billion!
kleeck: The defense is that "we don't measure BTC in FIAT" which I get, sure - but that is one way to quantify value against a fluctuating Bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: I think they have not appropriately valuated or structured their offering, all factors considered.
kleeck: I agree.
mircea_popescu: well... experience helps with that.
mircea_popescu: and that helps with experience.
ThickAsThieves: I also think disregarding fiat-influence is one of the core areas of ignorance for harming investors
ThickAsThieves: this is finance after all, how can you not factor translated values
mircea_popescu: it's a complicated problem.
mircea_popescu: they lost the payment details and everything else ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.0037 = 0.3145 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.389 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: better. joker patched sshd
asciilifeform: (in RAM.)
mircea_popescu: this is some prime rib right here.
ozbot: Linux Back Door Uses Covert Communication Protocol | Symantec Connect Community
asciilifeform: i'd say the newsmen are hyping up the novelty a bit
asciilifeform: people have been doing this kind of thing for ages.
mircea_popescu: notto hetzner.
asciilifeform: once the chump is rooted, you can do a million different things.
asciilifeform: difference with 'cloud hosting' is that it's more like bird hunting than deer
asciilifeform: one shot, many carcasses.
pascal2571: [WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer
mircea_popescu: pascal2571 you know gribble has a market thing ?
asciilifeform: gotta love how hetzner advices gdb attach for the 'amirooted?' test
asciilifeform: as if joker can't patch gdb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you download a fresh copy
mircea_popescu: from hetzner.
pascal2571: I did not know that
mircea_popescu: let's see here
mircea_popescu: ;;buy 1 pascal2571
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: it logs everything there, and it's accessible anywhere gribble goes.
altoz: ;;asks 0
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 0.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
altoz: ;;asks 99999999
gribble: There are currently 29698.058 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 148418672.73 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.9472 seconds
altoz: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 16365090 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 27068826.9028 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.4697 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 163 @ 0.0010559 = 0.1721 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00199999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: download a fresh copy, right. patched on the fly. ken thompson.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 128 @ 0.00104611 = 0.1339 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: my sarcasm!
asciilifeform: gonna be fun when people actually start to give a damn about pubkey distribution.
asciilifeform: wonder how much executable code going cleartext over the wire gets to the other end unmolested.
mircea_popescu: but code wants to be molested.
mircea_popescu: tits want to be free
asciilifeform: i won't be surprised to live to see billboards and newspaper ads with rsa pubkeys.
asciilifeform: 'diddle this.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 110 @ 0.0010461 = 0.1151 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking, a pretty decent way to run an underground site would be, have everyone register their ip to a pubkey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 112 @ 0.00104604 = 0.1172 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: then add a layer to turn the html into crypted text to keys by ips
mircea_popescu: spooks can spook it till they get bored.
asciilifeform: makes repudiation a bit hard. and most lusers have dynamic ip.
mircea_popescu: no, makes repudiation very easy
mircea_popescu: "so your honor, he claims the site send him this html, to his own key ? well... how can we verify this has anything to do with anything besides his overactive imagination ?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 289 @ 0.00104601 = 0.3023 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1540 @ 0.001046 = 1.6108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
altoz: ;; asks
gribble: (asks [--over] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under <pricetarget>. If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over <pricetarget>.
altoz: ;; asks 9999999
gribble: There are currently 29747.899 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999.0 USD, worth 100746835.565 USD in total. | Data vintage: 106.4467 seconds
altoz: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 16367028 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 27433795.2254 USD in total. | Data vintage: 113.4125 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30840 @ 0.0005 = 15.42 BTC {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 31076 @ 0.0005 = 15.538 BTC {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 27057 @ 0.0005 = 13.5285 BTC {11}
mircea_popescu: Is it customary for a multi-million dollar registered business to withhold information such as the names of its owners/directors? Can we at least get a link to your Facebook page or YouTube account?
mircea_popescu: The only info provided is a phone number resolving in Minnesota, USA. Is this also typical for Panamanian corporations?
mircea_popescu: dude crumbs is a heavy hitter in the forum nao ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7280 @ 0.0005 = 3.64 BTC {12}
nubbins`: "it's the internet, names are for meatspace!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4062 @ 0.0005 = 2.031 BTC {8}
pascal2571: I'm wondering how they came up with an evaluation of 10k BTC
pankkake: weird, it's not selling out in 5 mins!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3673 @ 0.0005 = 1.8365 BTC {7}
mircea_popescu: wasn't it 100k ?
mircea_popescu: it was 20% for 5k neh ?
pascal2571: ah right, I multiplied by the "discounted" share price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 164 @ 0.00105592 = 0.1732 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3010 @ 0.0005 = 1.505 BTC {4}
nubbins`: oh, that's today, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: discounted share price ?!
pankkake: I thought the « half price » woudl attrack more. some sort of black friday nonsense
pankkake: attract
pankkake: it's half price, must buy!
mircea_popescu: jesus the glbse idiocy just won't die already.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 140 @ 0.00105599 = 0.1478 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3300 @ 0.0005 = 1.65 BTC {5}
nubbins`: part of me suspects this is going towards covering costs from the havelock mining fund
mircea_popescu: i have never seen nonsense so resilient as the stuff nefario pioneered.
nubbins`: which can't be making money
mircea_popescu: why would you need to cover costs ? it's a fund. you report the loss.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 303 @ 0.0005 = 0.1515 BTC {4}
topace: nubbins`: this has 0 to do with the mining fund
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12410 @ 0.0005 = 6.205 BTC {5}
topace: ZERO
topace: mining fund operates completely independently
nubbins`: yipes! good morning 8)
topace: and generated over $60,000 equivalent in fiat last month
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14245 @ 0.0005 = 7.1225 BTC {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00084587 = 15.2257 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
pascal2571: folks are actually buying that crap
mircea_popescu: topace what's the hash behind it atm ?
topace: just under 3TH
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11361 @ 0.0005 = 5.6805 BTC {6}
mircea_popescu: what was that command again
mircea_popescu: ;;genrate 2950
gribble: The expected generation output, at 2950.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.00243415321292 BTC per day and 0.000101423050538 BTC per hour.
mircea_popescu: ;;genrate 2950000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 2950000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 2.43415321292 BTC per day and 0.101423050538 BTC per hour.
nubbins`: what's today's fiat equivalent of the money you paid for the hardware?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1640 @ 0.0005 = 0.82 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30723 @ 0.00084722 = 26.0291 BTC [+] {3}
topace: doesnt matter, the fund didnt pay for the equipment until it was physically delivered and mining
mircea_popescu: o i remember this thing, it was originally waiting for deliveries for a while.
mircea_popescu: that was a better than average move.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19277 @ 0.0008501 = 16.3874 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 997 @ 0.0005 = 0.4985 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30002 @ 0.0005 = 15.001 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5186 @ 0.0005 = 2.593 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1746 @ 0.0005 = 0.873 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1016 @ 0.0005 = 0.508 BTC {3}
topace: considering the mining fund started with an initial investment of less than $10,000 in fiat, and is now at 3TH with no further outside investment, i think its doing pretty well
mircea_popescu: this fiat approach is tricky.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30124 @ 0.0005 = 15.062 BTC {5}
topace: would the pre-order investors been better off buying bitcoins instead of buying pre-orders for the mining fund? definitely.
mircea_popescu: well then.
kakobrekla: fiat is shit. buy a volkswagen.
topace: but the pre-order investors existed so the fund didnt have to spend bitcoins until mining equipment arrived
topace: so for hte fund, it was a definite win
nubbins`: how about for the investors? ;)
topace: by "the fund" i mena "the funds investors"
kakobrekla: pedal pumping girls lolwtf
nubbins`: now i'm just teasing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1868 @ 0.00007503 = 0.1402 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: also, i accept.
nubbins`: but i'd be more interested in the BTC-denominated revenue and initial investment than the fiat equivalents
topace: nubbins`: its all in the financial statements
topace: available to the public
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4014 @ 0.0005 = 2.007 BTC {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2008 @ 0.0005 = 1.004 BTC {3}
mircea_popescu: detroit now has a beach.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 13248 @ 0.0005 = 6.624 BTC {6}
Rawted: anyone need a btc-e code? looking for paypal, and for some reason im not receiving the withdraw notices from btc-e and my ticket has been unanswered for 11 days.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4025 @ 0.0005 = 2.0125 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: well the price has been moving so...
nubbins`: topace: for mining equipment listed under assets, does the value for each quarter correspond to the resale value, purchase price, or..?
Rawted: yeah, i hear you. been fighting this battle with them for months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 20000 @ 0.0005 = 10 BTC
topace: resale value
topace: or, for most of the fpga's trade-in value
nubbins`: ok, was just wondering how you arrived at 20 btc for AM blades
topace: the computers/gpu's were essentially depreciated to 0
mircea_popescu: how do you calculate market value for mining gear anyway /
mircea_popescu: there isn't much of a 2ndary market gouing or is there ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: multiply by 0
nubbins`: topace: i dunno, maybe i'm looking at this wrong, but i just see a fund steadily hemorrhaging money
topace: nubbins`: what quarterly report you lookin at?
nubbins`: Q2 2013
nubbins`: most recent one available
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9045 @ 0.0005 = 4.5225 BTC {4}
mircea_popescu: q3 ended neh ?
nubbins`: mp, yes
nubbins`: almost 2 months ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10007 @ 0.0005 = 5.0035 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: with the diff going the way it's been, any miner out there has been bleeding money.
mircea_popescu: course that's mostly since august or so.
topace: q3 is being worked on and should be up by the end of the week
topace: we've been rather busy the past few months
jefito: mircea_popescu
nubbins`: well yes, hence my assertation that HMF can't be making money
jcpham: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user jcpham, with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 15MDLP4wazp4TP2Josmk1WiZRU5LhFvBCn
mircea_popescu: jcpham what, you're thje one miner hitting the green ?
jcpham: am i going to get that 30 btc rota pay next month
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1153 @ 0.0005 = 0.5765 BTC {4}
jcpham: i need to know now
topace: nubbins`: the 20btc was based on resale value/exchange rate at the time
jcpham: I'm trying to make some decisions
nubbins`: fiat value aside, i see 1200 BTC lost in 6 months
jcpham: we can discuss privately
jcpham: but i forgot and now remembered
mircea_popescu: jcpham i ain't making any forward looking statements.
topace: not lost, spent growing the fund (And paying dividends)
jcpham: understood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2219 @ 0.0005 = 1.1095 BTC {6}
mircea_popescu: mostly to mess with you.
jcpham: i'm going to take that as a no for now so i can do what i need to do
jcpham: no this is fine
jcpham: miners bleeding for sure
topace: nubbins`: we have 3TH of equipment, fully paid off, and 0 debts
mircea_popescu: so what's the resale value of 3th atm ?
mircea_popescu: i presume mostly asics ? friedcat's or what ?
topace: BFL
topace: mostly
topace: and KNC
jcpham: 3th isn't much
mircea_popescu: jcpham well it makes 50-60 btc a month even now.
pascal2571: 1st Q 12 Volume ~ ฿180,000
pascal2571: whats that 12 supposed to mean?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 64341 @ 0.0005 = 32.1705 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: 2012 i imagine
mircea_popescu: what's 3th, something like 2.5kwh ?
pascal2571: that would mean havelock had 180kBTC in volume in 1st Q 2012?
jcpham: wow it does generate that much
nubbins`: topace: 1600 BTC and 0 TH/s < 400 BTC and 3 TH/s?
topace: pascal2571: thats in the HIF prospectus? i think thats the estimation for 2014
nubbins`: i know which one i'd pick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 44740 @ 0.0005 = 22.37 BTC {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008404 = 2.9834 BTC [-]
topace: i think that 12 is wrong, it should be 2014
mircea_popescu: you have a 180k estimate for 2014 ?!
topace: _STOP_
pascal2571: just for Q1
topace: dont confuse the mining fund
mircea_popescu: that's the funniest thing i heard all day, by 2014 volumes in 10s of btcs will be something to write home about
topace: with the havelock exchange
nubbins`: hahaha
topace: HIF != HMF
mircea_popescu: even now 90%+ of the coinbase is hauled up in matresses.
nubbins`: yes, we're discussing how HMF lost 1200 BTC but gained a 3 TH/s farm
nubbins`: not what HIF is up to ;)
topace: pascal2571 is talking HIF
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1751 @ 0.0005 = 0.8755 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: not that it makes any diff. 180k isn't happening in 2014. i'd rather believe $1mn bitcoins.
topace: thats tradinv volume estiamte
topace: not profit estiamte
ThickAsThieves: its not possible
mircea_popescu: i didn't think it was a profit estimate, no 0.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 580 @ 0.0005 = 0.29 BTC {3}
jcpham: has ukyo flwon the coup
ThickAsThieves: youre talking about a major increase in the amount of coins people are investing and trading in this market
mircea_popescu: jcpham naw we were chatting earlier.
ThickAsThieves: this would require oceans of new coins to be poured into upcoming offerings
topace: yes
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: 8x current quarterly vol
topace: we're currently doing ~2000BTC/7d, which is ~24000 BTC/quarter
topace: and thats with the current, stagnant funds
topace: 50+ funds are in the pipeline
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2018 @ 0.0005 = 1.009 BTC {2}
topace: and more contacting us every day
topace: whether the MARKET can handle that is another story
ThickAsThieves: what about investors?
mircea_popescu: you're looking at the wrong end basically.
topace: but there's demand out there for the listings
ThickAsThieves: where do all the new coins come from
nubbins`: whether the market can handle it is, in fact, the same story
topace: i agree, we'll need to see a large influx of new investors
mircea_popescu: nah, fluency is a major problem in bitcoin, and will aggravate. in 2012 about 50% of coins mined were in circulation.
mircea_popescu: today maybe 10% are in circulation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC
mircea_popescu: by next year 1% is quite on the table.
ThickAsThieves: so your volume isnt likely to increase 8x in the face of deflation
mircea_popescu: this isn't even deflation, it's a scourge yet unnamed.
mircea_popescu: defluence.
ThickAsThieves: you cant have tons of new investor coins, without tons of new uptake
mircea_popescu: whatever.
ThickAsThieves: the math aint gon jive
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2520 @ 0.00008199 = 0.2066 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: re: the folks sitting on heaps of obsolete fpga: why hasn't even one started an altcoin with a diddled workfunction
asciilifeform: and raked in the cash
topace: all im saying is that, 180,000 volume i dont think is out of the ballpark, if we're currently doing 24000 volume with stagnant funds and having put all new listings on hold for 2+ months.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 50211 @ 0.0005 = 25.1055 BTC {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they suck up a lot of electricity, and the altcoins have a pretty soiled rep.
mircea_popescu: topace you're talking as if funds are chinese food.
nubbins`: well, i don't think 8x volume is gonna come out of the woodwork just because there's a glut of questionable funds tossed into the sidebar
ThickAsThieves: topace we know what youre saying, but there remains a gap
nubbins`: it's not like these coins are out there sitting around waiting for a bad investment opportunity
asciilifeform: trick is to devise an alt where the ideal miner is actually a full fpga.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 52293 @ 0.0005 = 26.1465 BTC {5}
asciilifeform: e.g. turingcoin
mircea_popescu: quoth very frustrated bitbet mod : "i will not be the least bit surprised if i find the motherfucking penis length and girth of all players in this pile of non-stats befoar i find which freaking games they won."
topace: 180,000 isnt _new coins_ coming in, its trading volume
topace: you could do 180,000 volume on just a few thousand coins in a month
nubbins`: you could do it on one coin, sure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform might be an idea, maybe.
topace: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2960 @ 0.0005 = 1.48 BTC
nubbins`: just like all the notes you need for any bob dylan song are all on a single guitar string
ThickAsThieves: obv you need new money for new volume, cmon
nubbins`: and yet you still see people playing with 6!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've no incentive to do this, but the folks presently stoking their furnaces with old fpgas - do.
topace: ThickAsThieves: yes definitely need new money. but not the volume estimate equivalent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4416 @ 0.00007502 = 0.3313 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30001 @ 0.0005 = 15.0005 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your question just got answered ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10520 @ 0.0005 = 5.26 BTC {4}
nubbins`: i'd say the average per-person trade volume decreases steadily as the value of btc rises
mircea_popescu: nubbins` doing it on one coin didn't work out for burnside too well.
nubbins`: it sounds like a major uphill battle to increase trade volume
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: leel
nubbins`: he's not thinking of closing up shop, is he? ;D
pankkake: asciilifeform: I think no one would buy this coin, so no economic incentive. altcoins work because 15 year old gamers can mine them in their moms basements
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 242 @ 0.0035082 = 0.849 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 257 @ 0.00104684 = 0.269 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1094 @ 0.0005 = 0.547 BTC {3}
asciilifeform: pankkake: the basic idea of altcoin isn't stupid; only the idea of 'btc with serial num filed off' is.
nubbins`: pankkake: i thought altcoins worked because there's no second-hand market for fried GPUs and you can't very well just let them sit around unused
asciilifeform: an alt could conceivably provide added value, in the form of resistance to well-funded jokers baking silicon at economies of scale.
mircea_popescu: pankkake an altcoin would work well if it satisfied 3 conditions : 1. very respectable core dev team ; 2. very clear even if minor improvements over bitcoin ; 3. lattice-based or otherwise complex algo not easy to asic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 542 @ 0.00104598 = 0.5669 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
pankkake: by altcoin I meant bitcoin fork with meaningless tweaks
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you got something there. gotta burn that electricity!
pankkake: well non-asic it stupid
asciilifeform: 4. (crackpot) could be wangled into carrying out useful computation (e.g. cryptoanalysis)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, mom's used to paying the bill by this point, right?
mircea_popescu: cartman's mom ?
mircea_popescu: she ENJOYS paying the bill.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3050 @ 0.0005 = 1.525 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
nubbins`: well, being used to something and enjoying it aren't always the same thing
asciilifeform: i'll toss this in for anyone who didn't get a chance to laugh at it last time: picture an altcoin where the workfunction is a blank field in the protocol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1200 @ 0.0005 = 0.6 BTC {3}
nubbins`: anyway, if you could sell GPUs that have been burned out from mining for a reasonable price, you wouldn't see any of them mining altcoins
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd need a blockchain for workfunctions.
asciilifeform: basically, an 'altcoin in a can' construction set.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 501 @ 0.0005 = 0.2505 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: because not enough parents have stepped on disjointed metal parts enough yet.
mircea_popescu: must make more construction sets.
mircea_popescu: imperatively.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.0005 = 0.975 BTC {4}
pascal2571: anyone interested in a bet that havelock will close down after collecting the funds of the IPO?
mircea_popescu: eh get out, what funds.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10214 @ 0.0005 = 5.107 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10603 @ 0.0005 = 5.3015 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.0005 = 0.75 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1095 @ 0.0005 = 0.5475 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.126 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10244 @ 0.0005 = 5.122 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1021 @ 0.0005 = 0.5105 BTC {2}
pascal2571: I'm wondering, when will the trading on HIF begin? after the first IPO block or once the whole IPO finishes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.39266666 = 11.78 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: guessing after the whole thing
mircea_popescu: o, you can't trade it atm ?
nubbins`: only buy ipo
topace: nubbins`: probably after the first block, but i'll confirm that for you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12068 @ 0.0005 = 6.034 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.126 = 1.008 BTC [+]
nubbins`: oh, even better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 805 @ 0.00187912 = 1.5127 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 419 @ 0.0005 = 0.2095 BTC {2}
pascal2571: and what happens if they don't sell their crap within 30 days?
mircea_popescu: why so aggro anyway
Rawted: tradefortress has everyone worked up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11004 @ 0.0005 = 5.502 BTC {3}
pascal2571: I'm not a fan of these totally made-up evaluations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0005 = 2.5 BTC {2}
nubbins`: lel, samsung owes apple $1b fine, starts delivering it to apple hq in dump trucks full of nickels
Rawted: nubbins - story is fake, and 2 years old
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2850 @ 0.0005 = 1.425 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: pascal2571 i guess people don't trust in the market's pricing abilities.
mircea_popescu: most everyone i talk to wants to go in a la hruschev, shoe on table, "this is how much the shares go for"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1475 @ 0.0005 = 0.7375 BTC
kakobrekla: playground market surley doesnt know how to price things.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2014 @ 0.0005 = 1.007 BTC {2}
nubbins`: Rawted: :(
nubbins`: shoulda known better, here in canada at least there are strict laws around how much you can pay w/ coins
mircea_popescu: you know, i took about 8 lbs of various coins to the bank, fully expecting them to bitch
mircea_popescu: they didn't bitch, they took them in!
kakobrekla: its what they do you know.
mircea_popescu: not in the states.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10500 @ 0.0005 = 5.25 BTC {2}
kakobrekla: thats normal here.
nubbins`: the bank doesn't get to be so picky
asciilifeform: many u.s. banks now have coin machines with a funnel
mircea_popescu: well it was pleasant so.
asciilifeform: takes a bucket at a time.
nubbins`: businesses are a different story
nubbins`: you can legally refuse any amount of pennies over a few bucks
nubbins`: varies from coin to coin
kakobrekla: even the small local offices have those here.
kakobrekla: those machines.
Rawted: yeah, i bank with Chase, and they have the coin machines in every branch. no charge, works great. dump and wait.
nubbins`: even i think $1 coins top out at around $40
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC
kakobrekla: thats only new to romania :p
nubbins`: i paid my house insurance with $5 bills a few months ago
mircea_popescu: it's only new to me!
nubbins`: felt GREAT
mircea_popescu: i normally don't pick up the coins
asciilifeform: phun phact: i used one of these machines, and it jammed. bank grunt went in with a putty knife, opened cabinet to reveal... mountain of dirt and leaked coins.
kakobrekla: loool
mircea_popescu: twist : the machines are operated by the bonanos
mircea_popescu: same crews that do vegas.
nubbins`: aha, here we go:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12000 @ 0.0005 = 6 BTC {2}
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: $1,100 insurance bill paid in fives
nubbins`: (they didn't have a money counting machine)
mircea_popescu: jesus what the fuck is insurance like over there.
nubbins`: well that's for a year
mircea_popescu: they introduced a mandatory ~15 dollars/year here a few years back and people werer about to riot.
nubbins`: we're talking home insurance?
nubbins`: like insurance on your house and its contents?
nubbins`: for $15 a year.
mircea_popescu: not the contents.
mircea_popescu: just the house.
nubbins`: still
nubbins`: what's a house cost
nubbins`: $1000?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: depends. 20-40k for the average stuff.
nubbins`: ahhhhh
mircea_popescu: but people expect the govt to rebuild their house or give them a new one in case of natural disasters
nubbins`: houses downtown here are $200k+
mircea_popescu: which includes shit like, gas leak explosion cause old alzheimer sufferer that didn't get taken to a home and lived alone forgot the stove on
asciilifeform: even in the 'land of the phreee' we don't have this weird expectation
mircea_popescu: (this happened recently, and the city got stuck with placing the people somewhere)
nubbins`: and they're all row houses, so fire is a very, very serious threat
mircea_popescu: there's never been a fire here. most everything is concrete prefab
mircea_popescu: i couldn't start a fire if i wanted to.
nubbins`: mostly wood here
nubbins`: my house is over 80 years old
nubbins`: people didn't have the luxury of concrete homes here 80 years ago
asciilifeform: american houses burn like matches.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. a major turnoff for me
nubbins`: asciilifeform: newer houses everywhere burn like matches
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC
nubbins`: all the synthetics
mircea_popescu: all that crap plastic and cvasi wood board.
nubbins`: yeah
mircea_popescu: houses here mostly consist of concrete foundation + brick (or cellular concrete)
mircea_popescu: however you call it
mircea_popescu: Autoclaved aerated concrete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1020 @ 0.0005 = 0.51 BTC {2}
nubbins`: mostly plywood/OSB here with pine studs and concrete foundation
kakobrekla: its where the third piggy lives.
nubbins`: most of downtown was rebuilt after 1892 anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stjohns_afterthefire1892.jpg
asciilifeform: fourth piggy lives in a bunker with EMP shield.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1504 @ 0.0005 = 0.752 BTC {3}
mircea_popescu: actually the soviet style fully concrete stuff is great for in case of nuclear bombing
mircea_popescu: you'll die like half hour later.
kakobrekla: cause of rebars?
pascal2571: I can't believe they already sold 50% of the first block
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00341 = 0.3001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC
mircea_popescu: i guess there'd be a little gamma from the rebars, but really, they insulate quite well.
nubbins`: i lived in a very soviet-esque apartment block in 2nd best korea
nubbins`: new cracks in the walls every time there was a minor quake
mircea_popescu: yeah. i live in a part of romania where there never was a quake.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5038 @ 0.0005 = 2.519 BTC {4}
mircea_popescu: bucharest and generally the SE however... ouch.
nubbins`: bad stuff, glad we have virtually no natural disasters here
mircea_popescu: was one so bad in the 70s about a fifth of the capital died.
nubbins`: occasional tail-end of a hurricane
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o wow, bumped their chair!
mircea_popescu: that's evil.
asciilifeform: phun phact: i was in an office tower, walked to the stairway and squeezed through a crowd of idiots waiting for... elevator.
asciilifeform: the same people who routinely step into an empty elevator shaft during real quakes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10097 @ 0.0005 = 5.0485 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 157 @ 0.001879 = 0.295 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 56218 @ 0.0005 = 28.109 BTC
nubbins`: oh hey, we pumped out a book last night
nubbins`: 5 hours from handwritten notes to first copy printed and bound
mircea_popescu: the blockchain is now > 16gb,
mircea_popescu: larger than many usb sticks out there.
ThickAsThieves: just zip it
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: 40 pages, nice quick read
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10222 @ 0.0005 = 5.111 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: one of those "very clear even if minor improvements over bitcoin " could well be devising a method so only a rolling window of the blockchain needs to be maintained.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.37181817 = 4.09 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 587 @ 0.0005 = 0.2935 BTC
ThickAsThieves: just save it in pieces
mircea_popescu: allow expanding of blocks to arbitrary size, keep only most recent X blocks, suddenly you can compete with visa.
ThickAsThieves: so no one person has the whole thing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this isn't rapunzel, this is snowwhite.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking of the wrong princess.
nubbins`: no one person has the whole thing == torrent w/o seeders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10010 @ 0.0005 = 5.005 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: exactly.
ThickAsThieves: just let me keep a backup of it
ThickAsThieves: s'all good
mircea_popescu: that you can do, of course
mircea_popescu: but you don't NEED it is all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 79383 @ 0.0005 = 39.6915 BTC {3}
ThickAsThieves: looks like HIF will sell that first round
mircea_popescu: was no pre-announcement or why the dribble aproach ?
ThickAsThieves: they announced yesterday
ThickAsThieves: surprise!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3001 @ 0.0005 = 1.5005 BTC
mircea_popescu: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC), 7D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2279 @ 0.0005 = 1.1395 BTC {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.001879 = 0.4284 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 394 @ 0.0005 = 0.197 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11155 @ 0.0005 = 5.5775 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 894 @ 0.0005 = 0.447 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 33000 @ 0.0005 = 16.5 BTC {3}
topace: i can confirm that trading will only open AFTER the last block (or the offering is cancelled)
nubbins`: fun!
pascal2571: that makes it even more interested
ThickAsThieves: sorry flippers!
nubbins`: interesting, even
nubbins`: topace: are the blocks being released back-to-back?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1777 @ 0.0005 = 0.8885 BTC
pascal2571: interesting of course
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC {2}
nubbins`: man, my sourdough starter is still alive. this is one resilient yeast colony
nubbins`: literally went a full month without feeding it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 262 @ 0.0005 = 0.131 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 630 @ 0.0005 = 0.315 BTC {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, what ever happened to that guy working on the magical badvirus thingee ?
mircea_popescu: i think my wafflemaker is trying to infect my fridge with these patterns right here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the lsd wore off.
mircea_popescu: poor guy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10125 @ 0.0005 = 5.0625 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 999 @ 0.00194837 = 1.9464 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: Researcher skepticism grows over badBIOS malware claims | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: im telling you, these waffles are proof in the pudding.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2180 @ 0.0005 = 1.09 BTC {2}
asciilifeform: anyone considering infecting bios should focus on: video cards.
asciilifeform: unlike system bios, no signature nonsense of any kind; and only two major vendors.
mircea_popescu: whjat the fuck is with the skull
mircea_popescu: jesus is there no sane trade rag left already ?!
mircea_popescu: what are these people, 12 ?
asciilifeform: bonus points for anyone who manages to pawn the diddled gpu cards to miners.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4139 @ 0.0005 = 2.0695 BTC {6}
asciilifeform: 'as the toys are, thus also are the players.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1460 @ 0.0005 = 0.73 BTC {6}
mircea_popescu: that poor guy, going through gigs of pm logs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 401 @ 0.0005 = 0.2005 BTC {3}
nubbins`: wait, LSD wears off?
nubbins`: oh god, bbl calling ambulance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 660 @ 0.0005 = 0.33 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC
pascal2571: [WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 325 @ 0.0005 = 0.1625 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1595 @ 0.0005 = 0.7975 BTC {3}
Ukto: jcpham: i am here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 740 @ 0.0005 = 0.37 BTC {2}
pascal2571: Ukto: you're making progress with withdrawals? what date are we at right now?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 990 @ 0.0005 = 0.495 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3999 @ 0.0005 = 1.9995 BTC
jcpham: hi ukto
jcpham: you didn't scam did you
jcpham: ;P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.0330125 = 0.2641 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11340 @ 0.0005 = 5.67 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00008199 = 0.6149 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.0005 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 21545 @ 0.0005 = 10.7725 BTC
pankkake: https://xkcd.com/1293/ now that's an amazing company
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: xkcd: Job Interview
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00104501 = 1.045 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.0005 = 1.5 BTC
Namworld: Who's buying HIF an an implied 50'000 BTC valuation? Not like Havelock has anything to show for such a high valuation.
Namworld: Topace, why is it so pricey?
pascal2571: 99% are hoping to flip on the discounted value
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 842 @ 0.00104501 = 0.8799 BTC [-]
pankkake: dolphins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999996 = 0.8 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19025 @ 0.000075 = 1.4269 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10600 @ 0.0005 = 5.3 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5040 @ 0.0005 = 2.52 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC
ozbot: Aurich Lawson | Design + Interactive
TomServo: Whups, that was in response to MP's "Are these people 12?"
mircea_popescu: pankkake thanks for that, i sent it along to pr. expect to see it on forum a lot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.0005 = 0.103 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 35102 @ 0.0005 = 17.551 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39995 = 0.7999 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: just reading that routejacking is on the up recently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10100 @ 0.0005 = 5.05 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.032475 = 0.6495 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1294 @ 0.0005 = 0.647 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00328769 = 0.3353 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 232 @ 0.00104501 = 0.2424 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 8585 @ 0.0005 = 4.2925 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00175101 = 0.6216 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC
dub: not that it poses much risk to mpex
mircea_popescu: yeah, wasn't ever a question of that.
dub: stands to reason bad guys would be trying it on btc services
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2150 @ 0.0005 = 1.075 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: if not right now, then a little later.
dub: NSA have QUANTUM, why can't erryone else play too?
mircea_popescu: dub quantum fannies.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 960 @ 0.0005 = 0.48 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00175101 = 0.3502 BTC [-]
dub: superposition of the cock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1035 @ 0.0005 = 0.5175 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7407 @ 0.0005 = 3.7035 BTC {2}
thestringpuller: why don't mo niggas use elliptic c curve cryptographyy?
mircea_popescu: because they're paraplegic.
thestringpuller: good answer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC
pankkake: I like my encryptions curvy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 427 @ 0.0005 = 0.2135 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2443 @ 0.0005 = 1.2215 BTC {3}
dub: pankkake hashes BBW
deadweasel: quick question, if details about the implemention are logged publicly here, about cardano s.nsa, won't that make it less secure?
mircea_popescu: deadweasel how would it ?
deadweasel: alass, I have only questions, as usual.
deadweasel: alas*
pankkake: security by obscurity doesn't work for long
mircea_popescu: well, think about it. in principle anyone can buy one
mircea_popescu: and take it apart.
mircea_popescu: what's a secret implementation going to do ?
asciilifeform: further: would you really buy it if any of the design details were secret?
mircea_popescu: i am guessing he would :D
asciilifeform: aficionados of mystery meat should buy crypto hardware from classic nsa.
deadweasel: i don't think I would think about it that much.. which is why I don't need one quite yet. ;)
thestringpuller: hmm i couldn't find a havelock bet so I made onee
deadweasel: gotta fix my personal security habits before cardono is at all useful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10067 @ 0.0005 = 5.0335 BTC {2}
deadweasel: thestringpuller: link?
thestringpuller: i'm on slow internet my page is still submitting the form
jurov: o,where is cardano documented?
jurov: i mean, implementation details
deadweasel: -assets logs
deadweasel: didn't know if implementation was secret, or needed to be.
jurov: i only see a discussion that rng may be sealed.. nothing more concrete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 372 @ 0.0005 = 0.186 BTC
mircea_popescu: jurov it wasn't ever very detailed.
deadweasel: me either, just verifying details wouldn't give away some kind of attack vector. but I don't know about these things.
asciilifeform: jurov: unlike, say, the 'IBM 4764' mysterymeatbag, physical tamper resistance is explicitly not a goal.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel actually it's probably going to be useful in the sense that it makes it easy to learn i think
deadweasel: it's why I invest it others to do it for me :)
pankkake: the fact that the rng board is separate is interesting… perhaps we'll see more products based on it? :)
mircea_popescu: and more rng board types.
pankkake: sexy. I just want random data feeds, I don't have much use for the cardano!
asciilifeform: board was build separately mainly for testing. final product may include embedded rng, but certainly with an external override.
mircea_popescu: but yeah the idea is to keep modularity. we want to be able to reuse as much as possible of trhe shiot we make in other things down the road.
jurov: would be cool if it can be pried off and connected to rpi gpio pins or such
deadweasel: selling a standalone usb rng would be a little too niche to market, i guess?
asciilifeform: current design draft has a toggle that converts the unit into a pure rng
asciilifeform: (appears as 'usb serial' device.)
deadweasel: oh wow. I had no idea. that's the fucking tits.
deadweasel: nice job guys :D
mircea_popescu: as it works with bitbet, i am here to receive all praise please. if anything breaks or malfunctions then talk to asciilifeform
deadweasel: so, business as usual?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1712 @ 0.00084001 = 1.4381 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: division of labour is what made america great!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 659 @ 0.0005 = 0.3295 BTC
deadweasel: also, semi-retarded and unable to fend for ourselves..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 4.52100600 BTC to 358`810 shares, 1260 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30000 @ 0.0005 = 15 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC
thestringpuller: http://bitbet.us/propositions/ - the first one if accepted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 17.64732447 BTC to 13`311 shares, 132577 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 955 @ 0.00104501 = 0.998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37600001 = 0.752 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1012 @ 0.0005 = 0.506 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.37564444 = 16.904 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 710 @ 0.0005 = 0.355 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.375 = 7.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3009 @ 0.0005 = 1.5045 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 511 @ 0.0005 = 0.2555 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 165 @ 0.36322473 = 59.9321 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 259 @ 0.00307651 = 0.7968 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9489 @ 0.0005 = 4.7445 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 189 @ 0.0031 = 0.5859 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.36090909 = 3.97 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Arnold Schwarzenegger agreed to appear in a mega-budget historical adventure called Crusades for Mario Kassar's company Carolco Pictures. When the projected budget went past $200 million, financing collapsed, despite pre-production expenditure of $20 million. Instead of collecting his “play-or-pay” $15 million, Schwarzenegger asked for all rights to the script in the hope that one day he could get it made.
mircea_popescu: possibly the worst call in history.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1700 @ 0.0005 = 0.85 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.34813762 = 2.7851 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.33 = 1.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1040 @ 0.0005 = 0.52 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.003001 = 0.1531 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3298 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6260 @ 0.0005 = 3.13 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0005 = 2.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.311 = 0.622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00300001 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3598 @ 0.0005 = 1.799 BTC
mircea_popescu: flushed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 303 @ 0.00300001 = 0.909 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30000033 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.0005 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00300066 = 0.9002 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.29284 = 4.3926 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1475 @ 0.0005 = 0.7375 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.29000666 = 1.74 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 350 @ 0.001045 = 0.3658 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.28791943 = 10.3651 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 903 @ 0.0005 = 0.4515 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 21300 @ 0.0005 = 10.65 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25010777 = 2.251 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.25003333 = 0.7501 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 124 @ 0.00275 = 0.341 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.001752 = 0.191 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 146 @ 0.00276712 = 0.404 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: !last havelock am1
assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.25003333 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker havelock am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.25000000 / 0.37415694 / 0.52889999 (576 shares, 215.51439967 BTC), 7D: 0.25000000 / 0.46830041 / 0.64190000 (2029 shares, 950.18152791 BTC), 30D: 0.25000000 / 0.62384256 / 1.06000000 (6576 shares, 4102.38865801 BTC)
thestringpuller: ;;calc (0.52 - 0.25) / 0.52
gribble: 0.519230769231
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 855 @ 0.0005 = 0.4275 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: what exactl;y were you expecting ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6000 @ 0.0005 = 3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 798 @ 0.0005 = 0.399 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 287 @ 0.00270009 = 0.7749 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 193 @ 0.0027 = 0.5211 BTC [-]
Urushiol: HIF is going fast.
Urushiol: I haven't had any chance to run the numbers yet. I assume, knowing TAT, that they look good? Anyone run them yet?
mircea_popescu: see teh log, it's been discussed to death
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2149 @ 0.0027 = 5.8023 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.24042857 = 1.683 BTC [-] {2}
Urushiol: so I read the log. and no, it hasn't really been discussed to death. at least not in the log buffer I have back 3 hours ago.
Urushiol: thanks
mircea_popescu: if np stands for no problem, the mp stands for my pleasure ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.0005 = 0.503 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.258 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23533333 = 0.706 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.25245 = 1.0098 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2565 = 0.513 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.272495 = 0.545 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4602 @ 0.00007449 = 0.3428 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00339 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0034 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.165 = 0.825 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.36491666 = 2.1895 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check this out, it's teh butthurt parade : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3656725#msg3656725
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.0005 = 0.3 BTC
mircea_popescu: the guy actually went to the trouble to get yet another sock out of noob jail because one more sock, one more vote, and this works in bitcoin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.0005 = 0.3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0031 = 0.62 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "i just tweeted about it"
nubbins`: STOP EVERYTHING
mircea_popescu: as if there ever existed a twitterho that'd have eschewed linking their 50 follower twitter account to that announcement.
ozbot: The Daily Dot - Before Bitcoin panel, senator crashes Reddit for advice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.36 = 0.72 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Before Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) addressed his colleagues about Bitcoin Tuesday, he did what any person in power who's a little confused about a complicated should do.
mircea_popescu: He went to the experts. Specifically, he went to Reddit's r/Bitcoin to ask them what the fuss was about.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: o.m.f.g.
pankkake: this is gold
mircea_popescu: this is like... almost better than bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: Those redditors, as redditors are wont to do, offered a mixed bag of responses. Some were flippant, some mistook him for Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.),
mircea_popescu: totally. they're the experts.
nubbins`: couple of morans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1435 @ 0.001045 = 1.4996 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: lol what would you expect from reddit?
mircea_popescu: well thedailydork brought the lulz.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu comments spam here we come.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10359 @ 0.0005 = 5.1795 BTC
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla let the kids have fun lol.
mircea_popescu: comedy fucking gold.
kakobrekla: i hate kids. and i had fun once. it was awful.
truffles: kako gettng a vasectomy
kakobrekla: those are not allowed here if you dont have 1 kid or smth
truffles: unlucky
truffles: there is a shot u can take that lasts 10yrs fyi
pankkake: who cums in a vagina anyways
thestringpuller: lol are we on a long tangent about kids because reddit has kids?
truffles: why is there laughs about the senator asking ppl stuff, maybe he couldnt find real experts..
thestringpuller: or reddit is composed of kids?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.00175047 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no, some muppet tried to hax bitbet, failed, lost some btc
mircea_popescu: as a result he came here to bitch, bored people to death
mircea_popescu: as a result went to bitcointalk to complain there, mpoe-pr was mean to him
mircea_popescu: so now he's organising a boycott and spamming bitbet comments.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC
deadweasel: hey, free advertising!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:
thestringpuller: i forgot to send in wager on my bet
mircea_popescu: it was kinda lulzy atm
ozbot: BitBet - MtGox out of business by end of year
thestringpuller: can I just remake and resend with wager?
kakobrekla: oh shit this is good mp, i irlold
mircea_popescu: i am behind seven lols!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1198 @ 0.001752 = 2.0989 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: fuck the whole thread is golden
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 346 @ 0.0005 = 0.173 BTC
kakobrekla: oh my
ozbot: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet
kakobrekla: deadweasel how dare you win
thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <benkay> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cellularsolutionsneltd/with/4595275722
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, and 24 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg
deadweasel: couldn't help myself! he's so deluded still. hope it doesn't break his head.
deadweasel: was gonna tell him mpoe-pr would host his boycott page, but can't speak for the girl.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 725 @ 0.0005 = 0.3625 BTC
mircea_popescu: i dunno if she has any hosting available.
kakobrekla: ah well, slanderous souls are still not allowed to post so what choice do i have
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35843999 = 1.7922 BTC [-] {3}
deadweasel: live vicariously through us, until you free, kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're missing out on so very much not being able to personally argue with idiots...
kakobrekla: isnt that what keeps the price up?
mircea_popescu: i tell you, i die a little inside each day because i don't post on reddit, retardstalk, thedailydork, theverge etc
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla I would suggest finding out the details of who owns Bitbet and threatening a suit if they don't return the BTC.
mircea_popescu: i hope you're done wearing tshirts
mircea_popescu: it's all suits for you from here on.
pankkake: where's the guy with his bitbet competitor?
nubbins`: hahaha
pankkake: with no fees, he was just going to make money from shorting bbet IIRC
mircea_popescu: pankkake he's working night shifts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7599 @ 0.0005 = 3.7995 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 212 @ 0.00318018 = 0.6742 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2017 @ 0.0005 = 1.0085 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.0031 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's not over even
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.38504175 = 6.5457 BTC [+] {7}
kakobrekla: lmao, dont mention the wrong tld to him.
pankkake: > Taking into consideration that the site is a .com it falls under US law
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00339997 = 0.357 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: so many lawyers fond of bitcoin in here
kakobrekla: yeah, com stands for Comerica
mircea_popescu: no srsly, they are "pretty sure" shit could bne done
mircea_popescu: by other people.
nubbins`: i'm pretty sure that by reading this statement, you owe me 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00339997 = 0.221 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00083546 = 3.3001 BTC [-]
ozbot: Marys Diary App
kakobrekla: shit. where do i send
mircea_popescu: the dork's signature ? some marijuana growing shit ?
nubbins`: 1BitcoinEaterDoNotSendabcfgfgd
nubbins`: or whatever it is
thestringpuller: OMG dis is the best app eva
mircea_popescu: so some dweeb growing bud illegally is going to take down sites legally. morpheus.
kakobrekla: ok just dont write any such lines any more
nubbins`: hey, a grow log
thestringpuller: a grow log app **
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [-]
nubbins`: know what growers need? an electronic log of their illicit activities, on their phones
nubbins`: imagine the money this'd bring in on facebook!
thestringpuller: dude growing is legal in washington and oregon
thestringpuller: and like colorado
thestringpuller: you know
thestringpuller: I don't thing people there give a shit at this point
nubbins`: kakobrekla: txid or the lines continue!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5719 @ 0.0005 = 2.8595 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2300 @ 0.00339995 = 7.8199 BTC [-] {6}
kakobrekla: hold on a sec my blockchain just crashed
kakobrekla: could take 2 months to rebuild
nubbins`: try reconnecting to another blockchain
kakobrekla: im trying, it wont budge.
nubbins`: fuck
nubbins`: blast this technology!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 260 @ 0.00310002 = 0.806 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, it's golden. the money morpheus dude figured it all out.
nubbins`: guess he took the green pill
nubbins`: oh hey, HIF batch 1 sold out
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla make a forum thread ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, you can
mircea_popescu: 't. well i guess you're fucked then buddy
mircea_popescu: if only you could have made a forum thread about it.
nubbins`: missed opportunities
mircea_popescu: "Thieves seldom prosper. You had to buy your trust. You have to rip people off at your betting site (don't say you're not connected) and your exchance is a ponzi, money laundering scheme. You literally can't do anything honestly."
truffles: talking about useful things in the room nubbins`?
mircea_popescu: i'm sad now.
mircea_popescu: wait wait
mircea_popescu: Sue me. I could do with the discovery documents. A new age of bitcoin has come. People like you need to get out. But you will be held accountable in the end. Scum
mircea_popescu: omfg. ahahaha.
nubbins`: a new age :0
nubbins`: i better wash my suit
nubbins`: is it a new age of growing weed, too?
mircea_popescu: btctalk seriously hit some new highs
mircea_popescu: in the sense of you know... lows.
pankkake: he's probably going to offer you to buy him out a bit later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.371 = 0.742 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00300031 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: that's the new things to do with casinos it seems
kakobrekla: hm i just noticed your for pay trolling services pankkake, is the price still same?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.031 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14000001 = 0.28 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it'd better not be, btc went up
pankkake: who cares about USD
kakobrekla: wordcount
pankkake: the pricing is bad anyway
mircea_popescu: that'd be a good title. Count Wordcunt
pankkake: ideally, it should be "pay what you want"
mircea_popescu: no cause gay ppl would hire you all the time to troll for them and pay in sex.
pankkake: I've had two offers, and didn't make anyone pay because there was pretty much no results
pankkake: well, no gay sex and no litecoins please
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2100 @ 0.0000709 = 0.1489 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.03099999 = 0.806 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ixcoin then
pankkake: hehe
mircea_popescu: trollcoins, not tender love and cwhateveer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]
pankkake: I need to work on Bernankoin again. believe it or not, the most annoying part is renaming "Bitcoin" strings
mircea_popescu: no awk where you live ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2284 @ 0.00007087 = 0.1619 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: not that simple
pankkake: perhaps I should fork an altcoin instead
mircea_popescu: pankkake fork an altcoin and make it back into bitcoin.
pankkake: too late, someone did it
mircea_popescu: "everyone's doing soemthing! we'll do nothing!"
pankkake: well, not exactly, but one guy made a scrypt bitcoin
pankkake: but it uses the old blockchain etc
pankkake: so if you install it, you get on that forked chain
pankkake: it's the only banned altcoin on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: wait it's banned ?! why ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05800001 = 0.464 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: you mean litecoin?
nubbins`: aah, my sides
pankkake: because it reuses everything in ~/.bitcoin so you can't really use it in parallel with bitcoin. it's guaranteed to make noobs cry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.058 = 0.348 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: good reason actually.
nubbins`: that's like libreoffice forking openoffice and keeping the name openoffice
pankkake: kakobrekla: also "Any respected member of the community can get a free trial, provided they give a rating afterwards (good or bad)."
mircea_popescu: free trial of the altcoin ?!
mircea_popescu: they what, send you mining gear ?
pankkake: no, of the trolling service
nubbins`: people always assume i'm trolling :(
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: is source for eulora 0.0.3 available?
mircea_popescu: i don' even know
ozbot: Maduro's First Socialist "Decree" - $250 Samsung Trinkets For Every Venezuelan | Zero Hedge
thestringpuller: best answer ever
mircea_popescu: at least it's honest ;/
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there is a source published but i think slightly older
nubbins`: yeah, had trouble compiling that one, figured i'd give the new one a shot if it was around
mircea_popescu: and there's a huge code returmoilizing going on atm so i think after this is stabilized.
nubbins`: ah yeah
mircea_popescu: if it still won't work, at least it definitely won't work in a different way
mircea_popescu: i don't think it'll be possible it not works the same way as prev one.
nubbins`: oh maybe. osx uses llvm-gcc, which caused some issues
nubbins`: could work through it to a point by replacing it with a traditional gcc, but that just creates more problems later
mircea_popescu: i'm not that advanced.
nubbins`: neither am i, apparently 8)
mircea_popescu: pankkake maduro is the chavez clone they got ?
deadweasel: shit, i'm assocaite dwith bitbet nao.
deadweasel: I guess you'll have to start paying me
pankkake: yes… this country is turning into shit fast
truffles: the US is in deep shit already though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37000001 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a link in the thread of gold made me re-read the log here.
mircea_popescu: "nubbins`:
mircea_popescu: male roommate seems distinctly more impressed by nsa + vag photo than my wife"
mircea_popescu: does that mean your roommate is more impressed with my shirted girl than with your wife
mircea_popescu: or than your wife is impressed with same shirted girl
mircea_popescu: deadweasel im not paying you because you sent in your application too late.
deadweasel: can i get it refunded?
mircea_popescu: yes. one second.
truffles: deadweasel what did u apply for?
nubbins`: oh, i can see how that would be ambiguous
mircea_popescu: when did your room mate see your wife naked anyway
deadweasel: it's a gif, I was waiting for it to move dammit
nubbins`: let me think this through
nubbins`: roommate was more impressed by vag than wife was
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00338999 = 0.2983 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: that's not really proper syntax either
nubbins`: but it's clearer, at least
mircea_popescu: make it a quatrain.
pankkake: ooh, I think I've seen that story elsewhere
mircea_popescu: than my wife, my roomate
mircea_popescu: impressed all the more he was
mircea_popescu: with the pubis and cuntal suggestion
mircea_popescu: of the girl in the nsa shirt
mircea_popescu: (i swear it rhymes in jabanese)
truffles: u have a roommate and a wife?
pankkake: truffles: that was the most confusing to me
nubbins`: i have two roommates and a wife
mircea_popescu: pankkake if you did it was stolen. it's this guy's.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` guess what ? so do i! the wife changes among the three periodically.
truffles: i thought i was the only one clueless
nubbins`: oh cool!
nubbins`: truffles, you are D;
truffles: i know, thats y i ask questions
nubbins`: no better way to learn, keep it up
truffles: i will thanks
truffles: gotta make my brain useful u know
nubbins`: anyway, i like people and i like having my mortgage mostly paid for by others
nubbins`: pretty much win-win for me
truffles: so u arent mircea_popescu's roommate?
nubbins`: not afaik
nubbins`: altho those guys living with the dread pirate roberts didn't know until after the fact
truffles: 1 woman 3 husbands kinda thing ?
nubbins`: not sure exactly his arrangement, you'd have to ask him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2378 @ 0.00083546 = 1.9867 BTC [-]
dub: 'yes officer I knew my all along about his illegal internet drug empire'
mircea_popescu: "we even smoked stuff he brought home"
dub: I hid a kilo of his coke in my ass
mircea_popescu: "i kept some. it;s hidden. would you like to look for it up my rectum ?"
mircea_popescu: exactly.
dub: story checks out
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 637.99998, Best ask: 642.8981, Bid-ask spread: 4.89812, Last trade: 642.8981, 24 hour volume: 86931.12318318, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 650.0, 24 hour vwap: 551.11511
thestringpuller: is anyone else experience extreme lag with bitcoinity?
dub: no
thestringpuller: the shit doesn't auto refresh for me
dub: seems to match whats on the sockets
thestringpuller: trades used to come in "real time"
pascal257: [WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer
thestringpuller: but now I have to refresh the page to get them to show up
thestringpuller: so I dunno wtf is up
dub: have you tried turning it off and back on again?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00338505 = 0.2674 BTC [-] {3}
truffles: haha
mircea_popescu: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller your browswer prolly choked on the memory leaking. relaod it ?
dub: choked on the memory leaking
dub: do you by any chance work for juniper networks?
pankkake: browsers are like windows 9x these days. they don't last a few days of uptime
kakobrekla: too much nsa in ur tabs
ozbot: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet
pankkake: who's fat?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37100001 = 0.742 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: the guys who is pretending to be mpoe-pr obv
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.371 = 2.226 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3702 = 1.851 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 10907 @ 0.001045 = 11.3978 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mike_c: it's frustrating that mpoe-pr was actually respectful and helpful for most of that conversation, and snackman just kept crying and not listening.
truffles: respectful?
truffles: link plz
mike_c: yeah, like actually trying to explain things to him
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 622.5, Best ask: 624.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 622.5, 24 hour volume: 86363.14823813, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 650.0, 24 hour vwap: 550.7514
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 3985 @ 0.00339988 = 13.5485 BTC [+] {6}
ozbot: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet
mike_c: "I understand that it's hard not to take it personally when you've lost BTC, but no, seriously, if you're into BTC I think it'd be great if you spent the time and the energy (this isn't "condescension", again; it takes a lot of time and energy, far more than most people are used to expending, to wisely and correctly handle Bitcoin"
mike_c: i guess frustrating because i tried the same when he was crying in this channel, and got just as far.
pankkake: bascially he used "bets of bitcoin" like a web wallet?
mike_c: and refused to try to understand double spending
truffles: i didnt get respectful out of that, it wasnt the usual though
truffles: "Unconfirmed bets are not refunded. Kindly see FAQ, and include tx fees next time. Think of the miners!" >>> as a gambler id be pissed if it was 10 cent
pankkake: the lesson here is really do not send money from another service that isn't even a web wallet, there is zero guarantee it would be sent on time
pankkake: especially if you encounter a have-to-wait-for-cold-storage situation
truffles: i dont think thats the lesson i got
truffles: its that tough shit, we got ur money
pankkake: why learn when you can blame others?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.371 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: something like that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 364 @ 0.00175 = 0.637 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: speaking of the entire psychopath thing, anyone heard anything of eclipse anymore ?
mircea_popescu: (the one pool run by the one guy that decided it's a good idea to get pissy with me)
kakobrekla: you mean the one who made biwikley payouts so coins would sit in pirates wallet?
kakobrekla: biweekly
kakobrekla: or twice a month to be exact
kakobrekla: there was an argument what biweekly means somewhere
kakobrekla: now im scared to use it
deadweasel: semi monthly?
mircea_popescu: yeah, biweekly means twice a week
kakobrekla: bimonthly
pankkake: I thought it meant you liked male weeks and female weeks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 850 @ 0.00175 = 1.4875 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: that's ovester. like semester, but with womanly bits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.39944999 = 1.5978 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway. that's all for me. see you all before 1000
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00175001 = 0.1645 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00315855 = 0.4896 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.124 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 43 @ 0.00347 = 0.1492 BTC [-]
nubbins`: biweekly means every two weeks
nubbins`: bicentennial means every 200 years
kakobrekla: save it for when he is back
nubbins`: biweekly mortgage payments
nubbins`: actually i think that argument was in here
ozbot: RDRAND « Jim’s Blog
dub: biweekly means twice a week
Ademan: ASICMINER's dividend was weak super weak, this isn't a good trend...
Ademan: s/weak //
nubbins`: except when it means every two weeks
pankkake: so today we learn languages do not make sense?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.35000001 = 0.7 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I liken that sort of stuff to the people who support Elliptic curve cryptography because the short keys let minimalist embeded smartcard hardware carry out thousands of operations a second as opposed to hundreds for RSA with appropriately long keys.
kakobrekla: telescreen!
pankkake: "It sounds like the premise of a Philip K. Dick story" wait, what?
pankkake: this is why I don't have a "smart" anything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.38999996 = 2.34 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: I've went from smart phones to a new prepaid burner every few months. Eventually I imagine I'll stop even that.
pankkake: how anonymous are you with that?
pankkake: I think even prepaid cell phones in France require you to activate it in some non-anonymous way
pankkake: but it's not really an issue. I just don't put anything important in my nonfree stuff
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well here the ATT GoPhones can be activated with themselves, seem the most anon I've found so far. I imagine not too anonymous though because of calling patterns and such.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.39639999 = 2.7748 BTC [+] {4}
dub: what is it you think you are doing that requires this level of inconvenience?
dub: presumably you're not obtaining internet access in any way that links to you
dub: you've never sent or received an email with your name in it
dub: and clearly everyone you communicate with using this burner-go-round uses the same practise
pankkake: actually doing that would probably qualify you quickly as a terrorist
dub: well if they dont what you are doing is completely pointless
dub: I can't fathom a reason to deprive yourself of modern luxuries in this manner unless you actually are a terrorist
asciilifeform: maybe just practicing for being a terrorist.
BingoBoingo: dub: Mostly avoiding ex's. I mean I'm mentioning this in plaintext from an internet connection so it is already practically public.
BingoBoingo: I though aspire to be a techno hermit.
BingoBoingo: The idea of requiring some sort of proof of work to contact me unsolicited is appealing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just don't answer any email that doesn't include a unique tx-id of one satoshi sent to you.
asciilifeform: maybe it will catch on.
pankkake: didn't facebook do that?
pankkake: anyway one of the proof of work ideas was actually to fight spam
pankkake: +first
dub: just do away with authentication altogether
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm at the moment finding it useful to simply require people to learn to GPG to discover my email address.
dub: make your emails fungible
pankkake: I don't really understand why it didn't catch on
pankkake: I'm doing greylisting, which is kind of similar now
dub: because its retarded
dub: reputation systems work better
dub: (they still suck)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00083456 = 5.0074 BTC [-] {2}
bloctoc: dub I'm trying to sell an mp and get some credibility to the point where I can close my bank account.
bloctoc: sorry wrong channel
bloctoc: in this channel, I'm trying to get tech support for eulora.
bloctoc: so that I can make money enough money on video games to quit my job
pankkake: pro gamers in eulora already?
bloctoc: actually, I can't get past install, but I can dream.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 151 @ 0.00104202 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 98 @ 0.00104202 = 0.1021 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 678 @ 0.00104164 = 0.7062 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 587 @ 0.00104007 = 0.6105 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 579 @ 0.00103983 = 0.6021 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.0008307 = 2.1598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 4193 @ 0.001035 = 4.3398 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 120 @ 0.00103001 = 0.1236 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 124 @ 0.00102528 = 0.1271 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1354 @ 0.00102199 = 1.3838 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2111 @ 0.00102094 = 2.1552 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2193 @ 0.00101633 = 2.2288 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1163 @ 0.00101527 = 1.1808 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 836 @ 0.00101147 = 0.8456 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 8356 @ 0.00101095 = 8.4475 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2873 @ 0.0010096 = 2.9006 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5577 @ 0.001003 = 5.5937 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 363 @ 0.00100054 = 0.3632 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 11434 @ 0.001 = 11.434 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.001752 = 0.1752 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00349499 = 0.1957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.0008307 = 1.2045 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I can't believe I forgot to propose a BitBet for Anand vs. Carlsen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I just like the match up where even though Anand is defending the title, his challenger has a manager and staff such that Anand seemed the underdog going into this in the popular narrative. Very Rocky III like.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 129 @ 0.00100999 = 0.1303 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: I just hope Anand takes his last two games as white as an opportunity to break this god damned Ruy Lopez monotony.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 110 @ 0.001022 = 0.1124 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.352 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35100002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00082814 = 9.0267 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;seen thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 29 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ;;ticker
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if pluggable rng, why not user-providable keys on later models?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell asciilifeform if pluggable rng, why not user-providable keys on later models?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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