Hide Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-05-16 | 2013-05-18 → ↓
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002401 = 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.0024 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002398 = 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 417 @ 0.002392 = 0.9975 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 116 @ 0.002385 = 0.2767 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00235 = 0.0588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 450 @ 0.00234 = 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 24 @ 0.00232 = 0.0557 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2000 @ 0.0023 = 4.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00227 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 745 @ 0.00212 = 1.5794 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 4 @ 2.5 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2099 = 1.0495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 185 @ 0.017885 = 3.3087 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.2098 = 7.9724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 37 @ 0.2099 = 7.7663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066767 = 2.885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5665 @ 0.00066771 = 3.7826 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.9301 = 9.6505 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0173 = 0.173 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.01805 = 2.7256 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.768 = 3.536 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7699 = 3.5398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.0173 = 0.7439 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.772489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.772489 = 5.3175 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7729 = 7.0916 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.775 = 7.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.775 = 5.325 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 42 @ 0.01805 = 0.7581 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7845 = 3.569 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.785 = 30.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0173 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 301 @ 0.01805 = 5.4331 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0173 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.785 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0173 = 0.3633 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 599 @ 0.01805 = 10.812 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.785 = 8.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.788 = 3.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.789 = 3.578 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01808 = 0.4701 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.017399 = 0.4176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000666 = 0.0013 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0026 = 0.013 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0026 = 0.0052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00255 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.00253 = 0.1898 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0022 = 0.0066 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00214 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 95 @ 0.00212 = 0.2014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.017399 = 0.2958 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0174 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01746 = 0.2968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 124 @ 0.01808 = 2.2419 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 350 @ 0.018095 = 6.3333 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.002578 = 0.0309 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7342 @ 0.01780001 = 130.6877 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0175 = 0.4375 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0175 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.787 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7879 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.01759 = 0.4222 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01759 = 0.1055 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3185 @ 0.00066771 = 2.1267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9615 @ 0.00066776 = 6.4205 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.789 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.017594 = 0.0704 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7895 = 5.3685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.7898 = 12.5286 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.017594 = 0.2815 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7898 = 7.1592 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.017595 = 0.7214 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.0176 = 1.0384 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0176 = 0.0704 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00066767 = 7.0105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00066687 = 2.2674 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.002527 = 0.0076 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7898 = 5.3694 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.789999 = 12.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.0176 = 0.6512 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0176 = 0.1584 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1034 = 0.3102 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 14 @ 0.103 = 1.442 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 5 @ 0.019 = 0.095 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.0176 = 1.056 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.017628 = 0.3349 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.78 = 7.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 71 @ 0.017628 = 1.2516 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 122 @ 0.01763 = 2.1509 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.79 = 17.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.79 = 5.37 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.795 = 3.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.002517 = 0.2517 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.799 = 7.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.79999 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.79999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 58 @ 0.01725 = 1.0005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01765 = 0.3354 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.79999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.79999 = 7.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.799999 = 18 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 1.8 = 28.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8185 @ 0.00066776 = 5.4656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4015 @ 0.00066788 = 2.6815 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7885 @ 0.00066788 = 5.2662 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4561 @ 0.00067001 = 3.0559 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01765 = 0.1942 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.000699 = 0.0035 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01765 = 1.1473 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00251 = 0.0251 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 304 @ 0.002511 = 0.7633 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.799999 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.799999 = 3.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01765 = 0.353 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.002789 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.8 = 16.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01769 = 0.1061 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01769 = 0.1946 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0181 = 0.905 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.0181 = 0.4344 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01769 = 0.3184 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0177 = 0.4425 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0177 = 0.1593 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 236585 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1302 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12120186.6326 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.33921
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8617 @ 0.00067001 = 5.7735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00067099 = 6.0389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4101 @ 0.00067157 = 2.7541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5149 @ 0.00067157 = 3.4579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873 @ 0.00067214 = 0.5868 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.8 = 37.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01775 = 0.3728 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01773 = 1.1525 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.002577 = 0.0103 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.019 = 0.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01773 = 0.3014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.01775 = 1.4733 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.81 = 3.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0178 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0179 = 1.253 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01795 = 1.2565 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01795 = 0.4847 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01795 = 0.2334 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 552 @ 0.0181 = 9.9912 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that thread is so much win
davout: we shouldn't do racist jokes
davout: racism is a crime
davout: and crime is for niggers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 374 @ 0.0181 = 6.7694 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00253 = 0.0127 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00252 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: is that chapelle ?
mircea_popescu: pietila is back!
Chaang-Noi: did you see his post about being in the insane lock up or whatever?
Chaang-Noi: he had a meltdown it seems
Chaang-Noi: his rontus guy, seems as crazy as he is...
mircea_popescu: pretty lol honestly now.
mircea_popescu: paypal never had this quality of trolling.
mircea_popescu: and believe it or not, trolling is culture.
davout: dumb people don't know how to troll
Chaang-Noi: im very aware trolling is a fine art
mircea_popescu: and moreover, take any bit of preserved literacy, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: anything voltaire ever wrote, is it not trolling ?
davout: the very bitcoin project is trolling banks and haters since day 1
mircea_popescu: Eine logisch-mathematische Untersuchung uber den Begriff der Zahl , what is that ?
mircea_popescu: is it not trolling ?
Chaang-Noi: i trolled theymos, got banned for it, was good times
mircea_popescu: swift's modest proposal, trolling through and through.
Chaang-Noi: but honestly im not sure reptillia is trolling, i think he might really be crazy
Chaang-Noi: dullusions of self grandure, if he is trolling he gets 10/10
mircea_popescu: it's spelled delusions you know
mircea_popescu: and grandeur
Chaang-Noi: i dont bother with speelling "correctly"
Chaang-Noi: im happy if you understand my ideas :)
Chaang-Noi: Update
Chaang-Noi: The mass production of Block Erupter USB is to be done today.
Chaang-Noi: 10,000 usb stick at hmm... 2 btc each... not bad not bad at all
mircea_popescu: ya totally.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01795 BTC [+]
truffles: awww that sites so cute
furuknap: Yeah, I can't wait to rush in. I get a seat at a round table! Weeee!
jurov: As for safety, I do not know any official classification of this place, but my gut feeling is that in order for anyone (which means, anyone) to take me out of here alive, it requires an operation that cannot be planned in secret, and the lead time is minimum 48 hours. If dead, it can be achieved relatively quickly, but there will be considerable (100,000+) collateral damage if the success needs to be achieved at a greater than 75% probability.
jurov: reptilia needs some kind of serius recognition for this
mircea_popescu: jurov he got it didn't he
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin's master troll to date"
jurov: yes, sth like that
mircea_popescu: course it'd be important to discern if the safety is designated or actual.
jurov: OMFGLBBQ: My experiences tell that even the patients here are eager to buy by the truckload, as soon as they get into the position to do so.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 178 @ 0.0181 = 3.2218 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: not sure how reptillia can be a supernode he is going to try and bull a satoshi
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 1.82 nice
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: an attack on 120?
jurov: sorry for spamming I really cannot even: I sent only a 2-ppl detachment to the Bay area, but they are my Ambassadors and have full authority to spend as many bitcoins as deemed necessary to subdue all, as well as I myself am subdued under the authority of Finnish government right now.
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if he got jailed cuz he did not pay the hotel, then went crazy
jurov: Bay Area Surrenders to Risto de Silver I.
mircea_popescu: jurov o may gawd
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01795 = 0.3411 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206948.0;topicseen man, this looks like a scam waiting to happen
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi it's all over the scam forum already
Chaang-Noi: ihad him on ignore for a month now cuz i thought he was a scammer
Chaang-Noi: ripple is perfect for scammers, shocked this was not done sooner
mircea_popescu: i don't think he's a scammer, he seems like a kid with mostly good ideas ocasionally getting ahead of himself.
furuknap: You mean tradefortress?
mircea_popescu: furuknap yeah
Chaang-Noi: he wanted to do a trade with me with out escrow, red flags went up, just m gut reaction
mircea_popescu: jurov if tortilla actually comes to timisoara do you want early warning to show up ?
jurov: yes pls
Chaang-Noi: why would he go?
mircea_popescu: it will cost you 1337 megabictoinz
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi because he has correctly identified me as the most important entity in btc ?
Chaang-Noi: he trolled you into thinking that?
mircea_popescu: ahh that was too good to pass on
truffles: correctly lol
jurov: np, i'll pay in s.mpoe microshares
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.01798 = 1.4384 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: reptillia wants to be a supper node, but he just be crazy...
ThickAsThieves: micro AM shares are the real currency du jour
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01798 = 0.2877 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01799 = 0.036 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.01799 = 1.2053 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: friggin price is bubbling too fast...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018 = 1.8 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi you're just butthurt that he's not ivisting indochina or w/e unhard of bumfuck
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.01807 = 0.8312 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's why they're no good as currency. smpoe is bubbling slow.
Chaang-Noi: investing indo china?
mircea_popescu: voseting!
mircea_popescu: i that we don't care about spoaling
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01807 = 3.614 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: even my only investment is in china, and that is asic miner
Chaang-Noi: asic miner seems to be kicking ass, so make fun of asia all you want, you and super node have fun making out :)
mircea_popescu: see ? you're bubblebutthurt
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 120
gribble: There are currently 4776.8374 bitcoins offered at or under 120.0 USD, worth 573088.28631 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
Chaang-Noi: yes i am so jelly of you and supernode being bbf
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01807 = 0.0361 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: turkey?
Chaang-Noi: always nice to see the muslium star and cresent at the white house...
Chaang-Noi: s.dice is starting to ban us ip addresses, true or fud?
Uglux: land of the free
davout: fo
Chaang-Noi: so the only thing eric does in a year of development is ban 1/2 its users, hmm
davout: from the website
mircea_popescu: americans don't belong on the internet anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.187 BTC [-]
davout: like i repeated like 10 times now, some investor large enough to give a fuck about it will simply clone the website and make it available in the US without erik being able to do jack shit about it
Uglux: there are clones already
davout: of SD or of its website?
mircea_popescu: Uglux he means that it's trivial to make 500 s.dice websites
mircea_popescu: as unauthorised copies.
mircea_popescu: ie, the banning is toothless.
davout: mircea_popescu: yup, wasn't sure if he meant cloning the concept or its website
ThickAsThieves: maybe so
ThickAsThieves: but the banning is certainly not progress
mircea_popescu: depends in what perspective.
davout: so basically no one cares, zero fucks given
mircea_popescu: it removes possibly the largest argument the us could have brought.
davout: ThickAsThieves: it is a nice marketing stunt
mircea_popescu: in that, it is progress.
ThickAsThieves: marketing ploy, progress, or one more nail in the coffin, whichever it is, I'm over it for now :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " To say that a young woman has a vagina or that she has sexual intercourse is an affront to her modesty that is not tolerated. The correct and expected reference is to her cunt and to fucking."
mircea_popescu: this in nigeria apparently
mircea_popescu: because english was the language of the upper class white people, and so it is respectable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00066737 = 0.7007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00066687 = 2.4674 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: The meeting with the doctor ended in a mutual agreement that I am too manic to continue posting on this forum.
pigeons: yay rpietella
pigeons: if he "eats his medicine" he won't be able to see bitcoin visions anymore
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there's going to be a forum ambassador nao
Chaang-Noi: rontus already posted i the thread
mircea_popescu: is it the same guy ?
Chaang-Noi: i think its his main assistant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 317 @ 0.01810998 = 5.7409 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Date Registered: May 31, 2011, 06:28:02 AM
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, this is something awful.
Chaang-Noi: "I am one of the hosts for this summit."
mircea_popescu: i guess i will have to yield my sa trolling competition.
mircea_popescu: they certainly did a lot better than any of teh bitcoin ppl on their own forum.
Chaang-Noi: I met Risto for the first time last autumn in some Bitcoin related stuff."
Chaang-Noi: if this guy is AS and reptillia too, mad props, sending 93k usd as part of a trolling operation is epic shit
mircea_popescu: they got the bitcoin neh ?
mircea_popescu: no big deal, i'm sure people wanting to buy btc can be found.
mircea_popescu: and this worked otc.
Chaang-Noi: sure but really, if this was just a troll buying 700 btc is pretty into it
Chaang-Noi: 10/10 for sure
mircea_popescu: ya but i guess if the goons got together
mircea_popescu: they might have been able to find someone who wanted to buy 100k worth of btc and didn't know how.
mircea_popescu: but yes, certainly epic shit.
Chaang-Noi: yeah it can be done, sure. im just impressed, but i still dont think he is a troll, just a nutter
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.84 = 9.2 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: a nutter who shockingly got locked up
mircea_popescu: i am inclined to think it's goonery by now.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi he said so, we don't know he actually has.
furuknap: After reading a bit now, I vote for nutter too.
mircea_popescu: how many nutters actually admit to being locked up ?
mircea_popescu: maybe 1 in 100
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.8495 = 9.2475 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: when it's just mild schizophrenias I think it's easy to know you are messed up
mircea_popescu: "Shit, if a tall and beautiful woman shows up at a Bitcoin conference we're all doomed anyway. "
Chaang-Noi: yeah, i understand, im not 100% sure but id say 70% he is just a crazy
mircea_popescu: lmao all these noobs.
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr is like 5foot9
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 216 @ 0.01849 = 3.9938 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 5 foot 9 is tall for there?
Chaang-Noi: short?
ThickAsThieves: fairly common in the US
mircea_popescu: Thailand167.5 cm (5' 5.9")157.3 cm (5' 1.9")
mircea_popescu: what the fuck you on about goatboy
Chaang-Noi: i know asians are shorter, i live here
mircea_popescu: so then what "for there" ?
mircea_popescu: Sweden180 cm (5' 10.9")166.9 cm (5' 5.7")
mircea_popescu: apparently 5foot 9 is tall for sweden
Chaang-Noi: if you cout all the other races, she is white right?
Chaang-Noi: anyway, i gota go for a bit, peace
mircea_popescu: sweden is white...
pigeons: once you go black...
mircea_popescu: must suck to be black and with a normal penis these days
pigeons: so disappointing
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.220001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.21001 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00066937 = 4.217 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.210001 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.21 = 2.1 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: cognitive sell off, hmm
mircea_popescu: what's cognitive again ?
Chaang-Noi: rpietilla post two more if anyone cares
Chaang-Noi: cognitive is a smallish mining operations with mostly gpus and some fpgas
truffles: yall like drama just as much as me
Chaang-Noi: they have invested into bfl and are going to invest in avalon
Chaang-Noi: i ahve some as a hedge against AM
Chaang-Noi: i hold 5% of the company and got in at an average prioce of .11 so im pretty happy
mircea_popescu: However I will still be able to breathe inside the house, plus drink and eat reasonably well. So my lifestyle, which was originally fit for a king, is still fit for a travelling salesman.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty good.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi well i dunno if 5btc counts as a selloff if they have an actual business then.
Chaang-Noi: yeah its just the most action downward i have seen from them in a while
Chaang-Noi: they do have a real business, and ahve been around a long time, but they are not exactly racking in the btc at this point
pigeons: "Annina Rusila, Personal Secretary. Annina is helping Roni to achieve the mission. She is travelling single. For the reason that she is in close cooperation with Roni, though, she is not allowed to smoke during the conference (except if/when Roni sends her to solitary mission)."
Chaang-Noi: i think it is over valued, its only to protect myself from a sudden bfl shipping, however it is looking less and less likely that that will happen any time soon
mircea_popescu: solitary msision ?!
mircea_popescu: "annina go jack off" ?
Chaang-Noi: when that guy worked with me about the wire he was very professional and seemed sane
Chaang-Noi: "1.5 class Bitcoin Supernode,"
Chaang-Noi: fuck, i forget his rankings... i wonder what i am...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.85 = 7.4 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 1.85, nice
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01807 = 1.807 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01848 = 0.2772 BTC [-]
Scrat: lol
Chaang-Noi: old buy good
Scrat: i am new to the world of supernodes
Chaang-Noi: mp is a supernode
Scrat: rename this channel to bitcoin-supernode
Chaang-Noi: we should!
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01807 = 0.1626 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: want has
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.85 = 11.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01807 = 2.7105 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 22k damn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01848 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+]
furuknap: That rifle really just needs to know _who_ to shoot, and it would be perfect.
furuknap: 1.85. People are nuts.
Chaang-Noi: it is under valued :)
furuknap: Can't be.
ThickAsThieves: I do wish it would slow down a lil
furuknap: It's priced now as to not stand a chance in 2016. That'll kill a lot of dreams...
furuknap: There must be a serious correction or a lot of people are going to be very angry at the cat.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.859 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: furuknap
furuknap: Yes, dear?
ThickAsThieves: you assert your opinions and guesses like they are facts
ThickAsThieves: this will bite you in the ass
furuknap: It's just math.
ThickAsThieves: and stop you from having persective
ThickAsThieves: perspective
ThickAsThieves: math is just one piece
ThickAsThieves: share value is much more than ROI
furuknap: No, it's the entire basis of myu perspective. I realize that suckers will follow the herd, but that's really not how I want to do business.
ThickAsThieves: your logic would require nearly all investors to be suckers
ThickAsThieves: in all markets
ThickAsThieves: it would also make you a sucker
furuknap: No, it wouldn't, and that kind of argument isn't really effective. There's a major difference of evaluating risk and not standing a chance in hell.
furuknap: Right now, we're rapidly trending towards negative ROI if friedcat achieves everything he says. That's not a chance in hell.
furuknap: I can understand people being passionate, I just don't want to pay ฿1 for ฿0.5.
ThickAsThieves: I'm not going to debate you too hard on all this, I have been watching your posts and made my own opinions about your predispositions
ThickAsThieves: you are your own worst enemy
ThickAsThieves: and self-righteous without warrant
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.859 = 7.436 BTC [+]
Uglux: http://imgur.com/i7kB7EO freshly mined innocent coins will be worth a lot soon(tm)
furuknap: Like I said, I based my opinions on math, nothing more.
ThickAsThieves: I recommend hardcore perspective
furuknap: Actually, I would favor in the direction of risk, but right now, there isn't risk, it's suicide.
ThickAsThieves: ask yourself "okay, i have made my analysis, now how could I make myself totally wrong"
ThickAsThieves: then weigh both sides
furuknap: I've been doing that, three ways over.
ThickAsThieves: yet you sold too soon
furuknap: No, I sold at 1.78 including options. I had secured that at around 1.50.
ThickAsThieves: how many shares?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.01807 = 0.9939 BTC [+]
furuknap: That's roughly 5% from current top. I have no problems missing the top bu as much as 30-40% even, especially when I see there are no fundamentals supporting the price above that.
ThickAsThieves: this isnt the top
furuknap: 30 or so shares? I don't remember exactly.
ThickAsThieves: so so far you have lost $250 plus next week's dividends
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+]
furuknap: Yes, and I'
furuknap: Yes, and I've also gained far more. You're not going to sucker me into that trap :-)
ThickAsThieves: i don't have any desire to sucker you into anything
furuknap: Nobody ever lost from walking away with a profit.
Uglux: pirate maybe :P
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+]
furuknap: I've doubled my money in a month and not taken any risk. I'm perfectly capable of living with not getting the last few drops of the can.
ThickAsThieves: you assume it won't sit at 2.2 for 4 weeks
ThickAsThieves: or that share value won't erode slower than div payout
furuknap: No, I'm assuming there's no support for a price above 1.50ish even at twice the rate that friedcat predicts.
ThickAsThieves: it appears there is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00159999 = 0.8 BTC [+]
furuknap: That's where that darn math comes in again and says you're wrong.
ThickAsThieves: my math says you're wrong
ThickAsThieves: so there
furuknap: Heh, I wish it were that simple :-)
ThickAsThieves: $250 so far
ThickAsThieves: pretty simple
furuknap: Yeah. And what type of math do you use? The pink one?
truffles: maffs is nice
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.01839 = 0.4781 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I use that furry math
furuknap: Oohh.. Furries are nice.
furuknap: Sadly, they mostly exist in fantasy.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.018396 = 1.4717 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 77 @ 0.018397 = 1.4166 BTC [+]
furuknap: I realize people buy on far more than ROI. I don't. Even if the price goes up to 2.5, it will still be within what I'm perfectly comfortable 'loosing' by just taking 1.10 per share (and even a bit more since I got a few of the waves right).
ThickAsThieves: Sneak peak for ya'll. I'm sponsoring SMiguel's charts to live at http://www.asicminercharts.com/
mircea_popescu: haha cool
ThickAsThieves: he hasn't announced yet
furuknap: Nice, TAT.
truffles: sponsoring?
mircea_popescu: how's the data acquired ?
ThickAsThieves: not sure
furuknap: That's actually one thing that the BTC community lacks. Sponsoring of useful information. Clark Moody is fine, but all the ad services are crap.
ThickAsThieves: probly a mix
mircea_popescu: what are you sponsoring ?
ThickAsThieves: his work
mircea_popescu: furuknap been sayin' it since 2012.
ThickAsThieves: AM community has been enjoying it
truffles: nice big charts
ThickAsThieves: and no one is tipping him
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ye know what i mean. gotta know what it is.
ThickAsThieves: you mean what did I pay?
truffles: one should always tip, good on u TAT
mircea_popescu: the short version : don't sponsor things you don;'t understand, they may blow up in your face.
ThickAsThieves: I seem to be out of credits
ThickAsThieves: which doesnt make sense
ThickAsThieves: had at least 1000
furuknap: mp, I'm mostly recognized in the SharePoint community where there are two community players that run highly successful ad servics for bloggers and services. I've reached out to one of them who is also a sponsor for my next book and asked whether she'd be willing to look at a similar service for BTC community.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves prolly cookie expired ?
mircea_popescu: furuknap that'd be great
truffles: whats the book about
ThickAsThieves: how do i fix my cookie?
furuknap: Advice for aspiring professionals in SharePoint.
ThickAsThieves: but anyway
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves re-make it
deadweasel: I'll fix your cookie ThickAsThieves
truffles: what is sharepoint
ThickAsThieves: I'll look up that email from you later
furuknap: Yeah, that sort of puts you out of the audience of the book :-)
truffles: my loss
furuknap: SharePoint is a business app platform from Microsoft.
mircea_popescu: furuknap i didn't even know there's a sharepoint community
mircea_popescu: the old ms office thing ?
ThickAsThieves: the guy has been supplying this chart, noted no tips, so I thought hmm, I'll back him up a little and see where it goes
furuknap: Not really old, it came out with the latest version in February.
ThickAsThieves: it's not charity
truffles: whats the price range of this book ?
ThickAsThieves: I get alink out of it
ThickAsThieves: he gets motivation to keep doing and developing it fiurther
mircea_popescu: don't go all defensive on me, i'm not saying it's bad
furuknap: This one is free. It's part of a test I'm running to see if I can get a better way of providing information to people. My other 20ish books cost around $20 each.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying you gotta know the basic idea, where he gets the data, stuff like that.
ThickAsThieves: oh i didnt mean to sound dfensive
ThickAsThieves: just being quick
truffles: oh ure a writer?
mircea_popescu: furuknap which books be those ?
furuknap: I am.
truffles: may i have a sample
ThickAsThieves: I will ask him to post about how he pulls the data though
furuknap: You can hang on for a couple of days and the next one is out free. I'd be happy to send you other copies though.
ThickAsThieves: would be interesting
furuknap: http://uspjournal.com/ <- Most of my books. Others on Amazon.
truffles: couple of days like month?
Uglux: here is a derivative http://deepfriedcat.com/
furuknap: Couple of days as in most likley Monday.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.018397 = 0.2392 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.0184 = 1.0488 BTC [+]
truffles: hmmm
mircea_popescu: furuknap so basically they're all on sharepoint ?
furuknap: Yup, at least the ones that are available. I've done a couple of private ones too. All IT, though.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was thinking fo some stuff early 2000s
mircea_popescu: not sure if this is related.
truffles: not a fan of ur writing style ...
furuknap: truffles: I can't please everyone :-)
truffles: im easy though
truffles: not rly
furuknap: mp: What stuff is that?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0184 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: windows sharepoint was some old, pretty much abandoned stuff ms came out with in i think 2002
mircea_popescu: i think they merged half of it into frontpage
furuknap: 2001, but OK, I'll bite.
ThickAsThieves: is that the one that was basically Outlook on a stick?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can't for the life of me recall exactly wehat it was
ThickAsThieves: i think it's server-based Outlook
ThickAsThieves: eail for biz and stuff
furuknap: Yeah, the early stuff was pretty bad and distributed in two versions. One free was an extension of SharePoint and a server verson which was nothing of the sorts.
furuknap: No, it has nothing to do with Outlook.
mircea_popescu: so what's this new thing, microsoft cloud basically ?
furuknap: Think of it as a web base database with tons of services and user configuration and db design. It's an accident waitning to happen (and has happened) but it's widely adopted now.
ThickAsThieves: sure looks a lot like Outlook
ThickAsThieves: like if Outlook wanted to be Salesforce or something
furuknap: Yeah, but you also thinks the math looks like it support a price above 1.8.
mircea_popescu: lmao the new guy has teeth
ThickAsThieves: new guy floats on his own hot air
furuknap: SharePoint is more like Notes if you have to compare it to something.
mircea_popescu: anyway, sorta back on topic : bitcoin finance desperately needs analysts, of the real kind
furuknap: I agree. It will come.
mircea_popescu: anyone starting a blog now on the topic and sticking to it professionally will be the gigaom/whatever of bitcoin in a decade.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0183 = 0.0366 BTC [-]
truffles: ThickAsThieves most ppl assets are shareholders of mpex or sdice right?
ThickAsThieves: I have no idea
ThickAsThieves: I assum not
truffles: thats the vibe im getting
ThickAsThieves: I have some MPOE
truffles: same grouping
furuknap: Yeah, I'd love to do that, MP, but seriously, I'm not a finance guy. I understand the math, but I'm more technical than would make me a financial person of any repoute.
furuknap: *repute
mircea_popescu: hence the "anyone" :p
truffles: <furuknap dont worry mp's got it covered in his blog
mircea_popescu: i just repeat this periodically on the theory that hey, you never know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01848 = 0.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.016132 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8675 = 3.735 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+]
furuknap: Exactly, but to get there, there needs to be a desire for professional information that is more visible. I'm testing the market with a new mining book in a few weeks (maybe a couple of months, depending on whether I move from Norway). Having some experience from publishing, I'd use that to understand the market and what people want.
mircea_popescu: furuknap usually markets need to be led.
mircea_popescu: arrington didn't appear because there was a desire for tech crunch
furuknap: It does, but the leader also needs to know what people want.
mircea_popescu: he made it and then there was suddenly a desire for it, five years down the line
mircea_popescu: i don't think any leader of any import ever cares what epople want. at issue is what people need.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0185 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0185 = 0.185 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what people want is too widely distributed and also quite likely to kill them.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0185 = 0.037 BTC [+]
furuknap: OK, the leader (and that's not me, just so you don't think I'm blowing my own horn) needs to understand what people need. They usually say that by fierce opposition.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0185 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01852 = 0.426 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: indeed :)
furuknap: TAT: Are you listening? Now I'm having opinions not founded on math.
mircea_popescu: best indication ever that auschwitz was a bad idea : the jews didn't fight back at all.
furuknap: Not the example I'd use, but I get your point :-)
ThickAsThieves: it's not the math that is the problem
mircea_popescu: so wait, two weeks!
furuknap: What was their original deadline? Weren't the due for going online in June?
mircea_popescu: picostocks ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe some psychosociologist figured two weeks is the best scam tolerance timeframe
mircea_popescu: the story is that they had a 1mn ish investmenty with tom van ripyou of basic
mircea_popescu: which poofed
mircea_popescu: so then they made another 1mn ish investment with bitfury
furuknap: Yeah, I read up on the origonal 75TH mine, but I also got the impression that bitfury was more legit.
mircea_popescu: while bitfury seems pretty certain he;ll deliver, i still very much doubt that investment exists.
mircea_popescu: whoa the bet is about even now
furuknap: That would be fraud from two well known and public people. Do you think that's likely?
mircea_popescu: picostocks is neither known nor public.
mircea_popescu: his statements that he's invested with third parties are his own.
furuknap: No, but the people behind it are published in the business plan and seems reputable on brief research.
mircea_popescu: i came with opposite results from the same research.
ThickAsThieves: maybe you didnt use enough math?
furuknap: Or maybe I used too much :-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01848 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i used a 1.5 math diode
mircea_popescu: furuknap but i mean, what exactly is your judgement there ?
mircea_popescu: something like "here are names so it's legit" ? the pietila guy also throws names around
furuknap: On 100th? Not sure. It looks a bit too good to be true.
ThickAsThieves: Is there any evidence from any unproven ASIC provider that shows any reason to assume it's a lie til it ships?
ThickAsThieves: not a lie*
ThickAsThieves: even the ones that ship rarely really do
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, i count the 100 btc of bitfury's as some evidence
furuknap: I think the entire community is skeptical due to some key providers being late and scams. AM showed it's possible. The swedes work with very reputable companies. 100TH certainly has put a lot of effort into what at the time seemed like a peanut reward.
mircea_popescu: furuknap where's the effort ?
ThickAsThieves: the bet is an odd way to prove yoursel
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's a ploy
furuknap: The business plan, the picostocks setup, the putting your name on the line. At the time, there weren't asking for much. It's become a lot since then, but at the time, I mean, if you wanted to scam someone, at least you should do it big.
ThickAsThieves: If the bet is proof, why not 500btc?
furuknap: Provided the people behind it really are the people in the business plan, they seem like smart enough people that if they wanted, they would scam someone for far more money.
furuknap: Faking a couple of results from their bio work would probably yields orders of magnitude more reward. They're putting their own names on the line so they'll have to disappear anyway, so why not scam for $50million instead?
ThickAsThieves: or maybe the bet is just mp trollin'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.01848 = 1.6632 BTC [+]
furuknap: Well, I doubt he'd risk his name and reputation for a few million either...
pigeons: people who run ponzi schemes basically scam, trash their name and reputation, etc, for usually $0
furuknap: Yeah, but if you were doing that, would you rather have $5M or $500M?
pigeons: if he was a scammer he would do it for more money is not an effective heuristic
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01852 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
furuknap: Maybe. On the other hand, they could also easily have scammed anonymously and not have the burden of tainting their names.
truffles: how many ppl actually care for reputation..
pigeons: "if he was scamming, he wouldn't use his real identity" is not an effective heuristic
pigeons: trendon shavers, bernie madoff,
truffles: madoff was seemed like a pro!
furuknap: Yeah, but Madoff scammed for bilions.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01852 = 0.037 BTC [+]
pigeons: trendon and madoff and the rest scammed for enough to pay old investors and enough to eat
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but if it's a ploy it'll be expensive.
furuknap: Deson't matter if they care for it. They could have done it without. IF (and I capitalized that intentionally) the people in tne BP are the real people and not just a Google image search, what possible reason could they have for adding their names when they don't have to?
ThickAsThieves: if betting goes his way it won't be expensive
ThickAsThieves: and he can always bet the other side
mircea_popescu: furuknap i have yet to see a pgp signed declaration from any of these people.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves even if he bets the other side.
furuknap: MP: True, but the BP is also denominated in USD, not BTC, so they seem to be targeting people outside the community who may not be aware of the tradition of PGP signed stuff.
mircea_popescu: he has 100 btc on the line. if he puts 1000 on the other side to make back his 100 he still pays the rake
mircea_popescu: furuknap or who may be naive of exactly how scam friendly bntc is
furuknap: Again, it seems way too much effort for essentially peanuts. I don't know. Might throw a few coins there to see if it sticks.
pigeons: there are pages of debate today on bitcointalk about how this site that you pay .25 btc for him to mine .3 btc for you on his nvidias cant be a scam because people have been getting paid
mircea_popescu: 're new. pigeons has been here through the scams. when he says "not an effectual heuristic" he is speaking from a place of pain.
furuknap: I understand that, and I eat so much salt these days, I'll be a mummy by the end of the summer. This doesn't smell right though (and right here would be scam).
furuknap: Not saying it smells roses either, just to be clear on that.
pigeons: i haven't even looked into whatever you're talking about. I just saw "if he was scamming he would do it for more money and why would he use his real name"
pigeons: and if you're even making those points, something is wrong
furuknap: Of course IF (again intentionally) this is legit AND they deliver within a reasonable time frame, the proposition is a gold mine, perhaps more so than AM even.
pigeons: ...
furuknap: Actually, I wasn't trying to make a point of it, I was just responding to a question about what I thought of the project. From the projects I have evaluated, those were distinguishing characteristics in addition to a growing confidence that such a delivery is technically feasible. Two months ago, I probably wouldn't have given it a second glance.
furuknap: *distringuishing characteristics of the _business plan_
furuknap: bah, where' s the spell checker.
furuknap: I need to fix dinner...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2109 = 1.0545 BTC [+]
truffles: steak?
furuknap: Raindeer meatballs.
truffles: balls yum
mircea_popescu: wait, you're a girl !?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01852 = 0.2593 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.0811 = 2.1622 BTC [-]
truffles: if that question is directed at me, your will is so weak ...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.018521 = 1.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.228999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1500 @ 0.00159999 = 2.4 BTC [+]
furuknap: I'm not a girl if you were asking me...
mircea_popescu: a ok. balance is preserved.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [+]
deadweasel: truffles you're clearly ruining our sausagefest in here, at least pretend to own a johnson.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.018521 = 0.0926 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018521 = 0.0556 BTC [+]
truffles: deadweasel hate cliques though
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.018521 = 0.4445 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 98 @ 0.01674 = 1.6405 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol sexist
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.017 = 0.034 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8422 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.842 = 9.21 BTC [-]
parseval: That price is too high..
furuknap: That's what I keep saying...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8452 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.845 = 14.76 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: I like how everyone is thanking Friedcat for paying high divs as a strategy
ThickAsThieves: I like the divs n all, and I do think AM can grow further
ThickAsThieves: but it's not exactly a strategy to payout all the monies
Namworld: Friedcat should start developping a second chip
truffles: dont like monies now?
Namworld: one on the smallest process
Namworld: What is it, like 10-15nm?
ThickAsThieves: "About the argument of dividend payments, our view is that we will distribute the net income after necessary costs are excluded and funds for foreseeable future (expansion, gen-2 chips) are reserved."
ThickAsThieves: he doesnt say
ThickAsThieves: I think what it is
ThickAsThieves: is that AM makes so much money from the shares they already hold
ThickAsThieves: paying out high divs is enough
ThickAsThieves: and still leaves plent mmoney for reinvestment
ThickAsThieves: he has already been reserving some for a while
ThickAsThieves: and pays his bills early
ThickAsThieves: he did make it clear that new ventures, unrelated to mining, would not be wrapped under the current asset
ThickAsThieves: but that he is dedicated to AM first and foremost
ThickAsThieves: until it can run with "less founder involvement"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 63 @ 0.018478 = 1.1641 BTC [-]
furuknap: Namworld: So far, the Swedes are the ones that attempts the smallest process of 28nm. Current AM is 130nm. It will take a long time to get smaller process right, as I understand it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 634 @ 0.018478 = 11.7151 BTC [-]
deadweasel: truffles, I think of #assets as more of a pulse than a clique, it's a good place to cut through the bitcoin FUD as it floods up to our necks.
deadweasel: stay here, stay close to the pulse of bitcoin.
pgp: yes
pgp: nerve center of bitcoin world
ThickAsThieves: did I ignore truffles by mistake or something?
ThickAsThieves: you're replying to "[10:44] <truffles> dont like monies now?"?
ThickAsThieves: oh i see it now
deadweasel: i was in a meeting, way behind. ;)
pgp: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018521 = 0.0556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 54 @ 0.01849555 = 0.9988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00067238 = 1.412 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.9 = 17.1 BTC [-]
truffles: <ThickAsThieves> oh i see it now>> only cuz yesterday u said u loved money..
Chaang-Noi: zup pervz, what imiss?
truffles: <deadweasel> i guess my interest just wanes with btc
truffles: i need drama!
Chaang-Noi: btc is full of drama, hardly 1 week goes by with no drama
Chaang-Noi: btc is sooo much better than hollywood
truffles: yea but is it my kind of drama
truffles: like ohmy shocking the price dips
deadweasel: damn you must love the forums
truffles: i skim
Chaang-Noi: forums haz some lulz
deadweasel: the spamcoin nonsense has lowered the bar, which is hard for the forums.
pgp: way too much noise on forums for my tastes, though
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.018521 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
pgp: i find that I mostly rely on links posted here for especially juicy stuff
deadweasel: me too, but there are some nuggets down there.
deadweasel: gotta mine the bitcoin, gotta mine the forums, gotta mine the IRC.
pgp: indeed!
truffles: there were some interesting comments in the DHS threads
deadweasel: I liked numismatics write of the whole deal
deadweasel: optimator, have you drunk the spaten optimator?
optimator: yumm
deadweasel: :) i know. miss it.
truffles: rpietila is sick though
deadweasel: he is.
truffles: its hard to laugh when theyre not well
deadweasel: agreed.
optimator: deadweasel: you can't get it where you are?
truffles: if he's leveling then well played
deadweasel: it sure seems like there is a correlation between the loudest BTC voices the most mentally unstable.
Chaang-Noi: i think yes
Chaang-Noi: and being one of the more loud i would say yeah
deadweasel: optimator: I have gluten intolerance/yeast issues, so I had to give up bier 5 years back.
truffles: true believers ...
optimator: i think rpietilia nailed it with the word manic
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1048 = 1.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1049 = 0.2098 BTC [+]
deadweasel: don't say that, truffles takes offense to 'manic'. ;)
truffles: haha
optimator: deadweasel: i just tried a sorghum beer - not bad
deadweasel: Red Bridge is good, but i LOVE Greens, they make nice bier for us gluten pansies.
Chaang-Noi: beer can be made from anything, and if it is cared for and done well, it will be good:)
deadweasel: way too much $$, and the yeast still gets me, so I stick to scotch and wine.
deadweasel: but your nick brought back happy optimator memories
deadweasel: that i'd since forgotten
optimator: you know normal people don't change the world
truffles: im pretty normal, im doomed
furuknap: Anyone know how many shares the 100TH people sold in the IPO?
Chaang-Noi: you dont need to change the world to win, but it can help :)
Chaang-Noi: 100Th people?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 96 @ 0.01849555 = 1.7756 BTC [+]
truffles: changing the world is a tall order
furuknap: The people behind the 100TH project then...
deadweasel: Chaang-Noi: some new mining scam, probably.
Chaang-Noi: i know of most legit things before they happen
Chaang-Noi: iv never heard of this
furuknap: Bitfury?
truffles: well when the DHS raids begin, maybe the btc drama will be super intense
Chaang-Noi: oh bitfurry?
furuknap: Heh, yeah...
mircea_popescu: i don't think picostocks and bitfury are actually related
Chaang-Noi: dhs raids?
mircea_popescu: other than the former's claims to investment in the later.
truffles: theorizing
truffles: department of homeland security
Chaang-Noi: what are they going to raid? the block chain?
furuknap: From what I understand, the birst Bitfury batch is 200 TH, of which 100TH goes to the mine, 50 TH to Bitfury, and the rest to undisclosed private investors.
Chaang-Noi: nall the can do is lock up some fiat, who gives a fuck
truffles: im sure theyll try something
furuknap: I just wanted to know how many IPO shares they sold so I could put it into a model to see if it's profitable.
Chaang-Noi: i dont know, sorry
deadweasel: < Chaang-Noi> what are they going to raid? the block chain?
deadweasel: awesome
Chaang-Noi: is deepbit behind bitfurry?
mircea_popescu: i ride the blockchain baby
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi nope.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4165 @ 0.00067238 = 2.8005 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: dont know enoghh about bitfurry :/ but sounds risky
furuknap: Hehe, you deduce that from the name?
mircea_popescu: i think its bitfury
Chaang-Noi: from the lack of people who i knew that invested in it or think its a good idea
optimator: is bitfury fpga? or asic?
Chaang-Noi: bitfury is a better name than bitfurry :)
furuknap: It is bitfury. So far as I've researched now, and excuse my noobishness if this is obvious, he's a Russian guy that had some incredible talent with FPGAs and then went on to design ASICs.
Chaang-Noi: they seems to be asic if its 100th
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 754 @ 0.01849555 = 13.9456 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: however if they claimed to get 100th with fpga and they sold stock on it, epic troll:)
furuknap: I've only seen him post in Russian, thought, and my Russian is a bit rusty.
Chaang-Noi: id give them props for that
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018521 = 1.8521 BTC [+]
furuknap: No, they're slling it as ASICs.
mircea_popescu: afaik he/they are russian
Chaang-Noi: my russian is a bit fury
mircea_popescu: optimator made a fpga last year, now claims an asic
Chaang-Noi: still, only chinese have made an asic, (other than bfls 5ghs)
Chaang-Noi: the 10 or so prototypes
mircea_popescu: well, so maybe the russians did too.
Chaang-Noi: he claims to have it now?
Chaang-Noi: and if made in russia ill be impressed
furuknap: They claim the wafers are done and ready tro be bumped and packaged, yes. Expected delivery in two weeks.
Chaang-Noi: oh, interesting
furuknap: Doesn't have to be made in Russia even if Bitfury is Russian. The 100TH people are from Poland.
Chaang-Noi: well, i guess we will see
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 94 @ 0.018521 = 1.741 BTC [+]
optimator: 2 weeks- does everything in the chip world in two weeks?
mircea_popescu: there, he put a 100 btc on the theory that he shows working asic doing < 1watt per ghs
optimator: droped a word - happen
mircea_popescu: ie, much better than asicminers'
mircea_popescu: furuknap the 100th people are claioming to have bought his stuff.
furuknap: Yeah, about 8 times 'better' than AM chips first gen.
furuknap: Yeah, I'll see if I can find the reference, I have about 28 tabs up right now.
mircea_popescu: he also claims that 22 peta hash is doable in one run
mircea_popescu: which is a lot better than asicminer too, seeing how they still don't have the 12th promised for feb/march
mircea_popescu: but hey. claims are cheap.
furuknap: That's in chip production. 22 peta isn't exactly deliverable :-)
furuknap: AM has far more than 12 TH now.
mircea_popescu: o it does ?
Chaang-Noi: AM is having problems now with not enough places to run their stuff, they have it, just no internet/electric
mircea_popescu: where was that ThickAsThieves link
furuknap: I think they're either pushing or have poassed 20 THs.
Chaang-Noi: mp, AM has been over 20th for a while
ThickAsThieves: www.asicminercharts.com
furuknap: They were scheduled to veliver 3-10 TH per week over the past two weeks.
furuknap: *deliver
mircea_popescu: a ok there it is.
mircea_popescu: happened coupla weeks ago
Chaang-Noi: they also just sold a shit load of units cuz, people paid crazy prices for them
furuknap: It's been flat for about a week, though, and I think I read they had problems finding stable space, although that might be earlier.
Chaang-Noi: they have the hardware just not the space
Chaang-Noi: that is why they are focusing on selling and making the usb units now
Chaang-Noi: and at 2 btc each, why the hell not :)
furuknap: Yeah, but they need to sell a hell-uva-lot of them and so far the only order I've seen is a few hundred from a US group buy.
mircea_popescu: good move to sell as many as they can at that price.
Chaang-Noi: 10,000 is there run this time around
truffles: “My daughter waited one minute to get on ‘It’s a Small World’ — the other kids had to wait 2 1/2 hours,” crowed one mom, who hired a disabled guide through Dream Tours Florida…
Chaang-Noi: there are about 10 group buys and some people getting more than 300
Chaang-Noi: easy 5,000 alreasy sold
furuknap: The European group buy got mad attention after a /. post, selling around 800 in a day.
Chaang-Noi: tehy will sell all 10,000 units
ThickAsThieves: i dont like that he made the blade sales private
Chaang-Noi: what do you mean?
Chaang-Noi: it was a public auction?
ThickAsThieves: he has an open thread up
furuknap: I agree, but I'm sure hell post sales numbers after a while.
ThickAsThieves: basically you email him how many you want
ThickAsThieves: made to order
furuknap: Chaang: yeah, but not there's a retail thread with "mail me to buy" stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14291 @ 0.00067238 = 9.609 BTC [+]
furuknap: *now
Chaang-Noi: well honestly at this point, we just have to trust friedat
ThickAsThieves: transparency is much nicer tho
Chaang-Noi: agree
Chaang-Noi: but even so, we never were going to get 100% like we all want
ThickAsThieves: not taht people werent already emailing him for deals
Chaang-Noi: we have no idea how much he is paying for labor, equipment and the like
Chaang-Noi: people were e-mailing me for deals!
furuknap: I trust his honesty. A bit skeptical about business abilities.
truffles: friedcat seems like the real most interesting man in btc
mircea_popescu: furuknap he's operationally good, or at least way better than everyone else in btc
truffles: or 1 of the few
mircea_popescu: financially clueless, but that;'s not exactly a crime, few op managers grok finance.
furuknap: mp, absolutely, which is why I have faitrh in the operation if they can calm down a bit.
Chaang-Noi: anyone who can get 255 of the network is going to lack in some areas
mircea_popescu: well they've created a few problems for themselves with the horde of clueless investors, but anyway.
Chaang-Noi: i was clueless when i bought in, i only did it cuz of my past relatioship with him and he seemed like an honest guy. i had no idea how he expected to beat bfl
ThickAsThieves: need meme of pope dove and spray of bitcoins
furuknap: Problem is, if or when there comes a correction, those clueless investors will cry 'bubble share' whenever they can, tainting AMs ability to appeal to serious investors.
ThickAsThieves: this also depends on how aggressive board seat holders wanna be
ThickAsThieves: they are the ones with the selling power
mircea_popescu: totally.
furuknap: BTW, mp, -PR seems a bit skeptical about the whole 100TH thing. You probably read it already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1495160#msg1495160
Namworld: Pretty sure that's called thievery
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8749 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: she thinks AM is a scam too
Namworld: Sure, I bet the power companies hate it.
Chaang-Noi: i do think i looked into this before, i did not like what i saw
Chaang-Noi: pico stocks
Chaang-Noi: bitfury
Chaang-Noi: wonder what will happen.. even if legit, could run into same issues as bfl and the chips just dont work
truffles: i keep hearing Piccolo every time its said..
furuknap: That's always a risk. Same can apply to AM 2nd gen.
furuknap: Or the Swedes.
Chaang-Noi: i kinda thought friedcat was smart going with the very very old tech
Chaang-Noi: and yes the second gen could fail, but AM has so massive deep pockets and the right contacts at this point
truffles: "1. You're nobody", isnt that where most people stop reading??
furuknap: Yeah, that was genious, and I mean that. Realizing how complex it would be, he got an old beat-down horse and bet that there wouldn't be any other horses in the race.
furuknap: He was right, and we've been bathing in gold ever since.
furuknap: The drawback of that strategy is that he still needs to get a proper racehorse at some point, and the process isn't going to be quicker for him. People think he can just snap his fingers and have 262 TH in production, but with the current tech, that takes a lot of space and he's already running into issues with that.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8748 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8748 BTC [-]
furuknap: Here's Bitfury with some more technical details on his chip, in the 100TH thread. MP, I doubt he would post there so casually if he had no relationship with 100TH. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1509922#msg1509922
mircea_popescu: i don't credit such implications at all.
furuknap: Ah, I thought you meant something along those lines. I thought you said the only relationship was that 100TH claimed to have purchased Bitfury chips.
furuknap: My bad if that wasn't your intention.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.01863 = 0.8942 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 119.9 again.. we cant get higher than that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01863 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: furuknap is what i meant. some guy "posting casually" in some forum thread is no argument for anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00066723 = 1.568 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chopard jewels worth more than $1 million have been stolen at the Cannes film festival
mircea_popescu: bitcoin wearers unaffected.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
furuknap: Ah, OK. Well, the more I read, the more it seems that there's just way too much effort here to scam someone for peanuts.
Chaang-Noi: 1.4? lol
furuknap: I bet an otion exercise :-)
furuknap: *option
Chaang-Noi: has to be
Chaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> bitcoin wearers unaffected. im going to make a necklace out of a casasicus 1000 gold coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.217 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: fuck see that buy wall at 118???
Chaang-Noi: if real we are going upppppppp
Chaang-Noi: on a friday
furuknap: Wall at 118? I see 750 there if you're talking Gox?
Chaang-Noi: i see over 9000
Chaang-Noi: ;; bids 118
gribble: There are currently 10058.458 bitcoins demanded at or over 118.0 USD, worth 1187353.50463 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds
Chaang-Noi: yes that is over 9000
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8425 = 3.685 BTC [+]
furuknap: Hm... Reloading Clark...
furuknap: Ah, now it's there...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.835201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01865 = 0.0933 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01865 BTC [+]
furuknap: This is the Battle of the $120. 10K sell before 122 too.
Chaang-Noi: 1000 just bought at 19.9
Chaang-Noi: almost
Chaang-Noi: 119.97
furuknap: Everything seems to point to 120+ shortly. Sadly, I chickened out on the Dwolla dip by not buying. I believe I will be hitting myself on the head for that.
Chaang-Noi: 119.98
furuknap: Another 100.
furuknap: 1K more!
furuknap: Just a couple hundred left.
furuknap: There we are!
Chaang-Noi: we got to get over the wall however
furuknap: Yeah, but it's falling fast.
furuknap: 1K left.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00066723 = 0.1668 BTC [-]
furuknap: Damn!
furuknap: Gone!
davout: AAAND IT'S GONE
furuknap: BUY, BUY, BUY!
furuknap: Holy moses...
Chaang-Noi: its a break out
Chaang-Noi: now we need to see about 125
Chaang-Noi: cuz if we do 125!!!!
furuknap: ...then you sell out and buy a mountain of cocaine?
Namworld: LIMIT BREAK
Chaang-Noi: iv already done that
Namworld: Too much pressure...
Chaang-Noi: i dont need more hookers and coke money
Chaang-Noi: anyway off for a beer bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067238 = 7.3289 BTC [+]
furuknap: Gribble? GRIBBLE! Noooooo!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01825 = 0.0365 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01820001 = 4.095 BTC [-]
furuknap: To answer my own question from earlier (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1531597#msg1531597): [L]ooks like they sold 518271 shares. IPO is now closed.
davout: don't do cocaine
davout: MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR
davout: :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.229 BTC [+]
furuknap: MP, any way to reach you in private?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.871 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: furuknap /query mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: davout : the girl wants you to know that she's answered "spoken like a true gypsy" in the nigger thread but some mod beleeted it.
mircea_popescu: now im doing pr for my pr ;/
Chaang-Noi: i warned you about here
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 51 @ 0.01849 = 0.943 BTC [-]
davout: mircea_popescu: hah
davout: mircea_popescu: we shall have a concert for the conference #2
mircea_popescu: lol kickass
mircea_popescu: o, you registered yet ?
davout: no
davout: the fee for the music shall be equal to the fee for VIP registration
davout: xD
mircea_popescu: yeah but the music is paid after :D
Chaang-Noi: choo choo mother fucker!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [+]
davout: mircea_popescu: you got me there!
davout: mircea_popescu: pay me in alcohol and romanian women
mircea_popescu: getting people there since 1993
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.0184 = 0.9016 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0183 = 9.15 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: someone is trying to sell me http://www.zeroblock.com/
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >>Fucking Awesome.
kakobrekla: You feel like a hacker and shit.
kakobrekla: i dont see no skateboard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 108 @ 0.0183 = 1.9764 BTC [-]
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assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01841 = 0.1841 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01839 = 0.0368 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01839 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01839 = 0.0552 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2182646#msg2182646 --- furuknap u better ask him to show his math on that one
furuknap: Hehe :-D
furuknap: Even you won't be _that_ crazy...
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu >> Oh nice! Bitcoin stocks on MPEX was something we were looking at integrating eventually.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01839 = 0.4598 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who's that ?
kakobrekla: some guy from zeroblock.com
furuknap: TAT, could you tell me so I don't have to calculate myself, how much you get from the 5% in dividends on AM-PT?
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that even is ;/
ThickAsThieves: i get 5%
furuknap: No shit... What's that in BTC, then...
ThickAsThieves: it changes every week
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking about .001 btc
ThickAsThieves: it's very small
furuknap: From the entire PT? Geez.
ThickAsThieves: peoplethink of it like 5% of share value
ThickAsThieves: but its nowhere near that
ThickAsThieves: way smaller
furuknap: I realize it's just the dividends. Thought it had higher volumes.
ThickAsThieves: id need like 5000-10000 for it to even be notable
ThickAsThieves: we're at like 1000
furuknap: ?? Isn't there around 10K on Bitfunder and 30K on BTCT?
ThickAsThieves: those are no fee
ThickAsThieves: and not run by me
ThickAsThieves: i only run the fractional pt s
ll: /100
furuknap: Ah, you're talking shares, not fractions. Got it.
Namworld: 10000 TAT ASICM = 100 ASICM = 3 BTC. x5% = 0.15 BTC or 18 dollars
Namworld: He has to sell a lot
Chaang-Noi: and 125 wall is down, fuck yeah
Namworld: and 3 BTC is the last dividend which was high
ThickAsThieves: thats one aspect that frustrates me a bit
ThickAsThieves: is people make a big deal about the 5%
Namworld: 125 is far from being down
Namworld: 120 is
Namworld: has been for a while
ThickAsThieves: but it's nothing
ThickAsThieves: they dont grasp the math
Namworld: Wait... it is
Namworld: It's slow on the updating here
Bugpowder: 125 is down
Bugpowder: $1M buy
Bugpowder: went off
furuknap: Yeah, I just thought it was way bigger in volume.
Bugpowder: the 118 bidwall is down
mircea_popescu: <furuknap> From the entire PT? Geez. << no dude. dividend was like 2%. he gets 1/20 iof that
mircea_popescu: so 1 per thousand. if he has 1k btc total float 1 btc
ThickAsThieves: furuknap, I actually recall you were the fist one to give me shit about it
furuknap: Yeah, because the volume should be much higher. I realize it didn't become as huge as when I suggested it.
Chaang-Noi: i still see the 118 bid wall ?
Chaang-Noi: bugpowder do you have me on ignore?
Bugpowder: nope
Bugpowder: wall at 118 used to be 10k
ThickAsThieves: what volume should be higher?
Chaang-Noi: wtf why did nam world say 125 is far from being dow, when it was gone?
Bugpowder: just the wall itself
Bugpowder: different sites are lagging
ThickAsThieves: 5% of divs is entirely disproportionate a same to worry about considering the share value
Chaang-Noi: i see, lag...
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.018312 = 0.9156 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: do math on if i had 5000 whole-shares
Chaang-Noi: hmm i wonder if my having fiber is an edge :/
ThickAsThieves: and what those are worth
ThickAsThieves: vs 5% of divs
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8722 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018311 = 0.3662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00066943 = 5.255 BTC [-]
furuknap: Well, there is a major difference betwen being a PT operator and holding shares. You can be a PT operator and not hold a single share yourself.
ThickAsThieves: can you?
ThickAsThieves: if i hold 5000 shares for the PT
Chaang-Noi: nake short selling for the wi!
ThickAsThieves: i'm still responsible for $1m worth of assets
furuknap: Of course you can. Why wouldn't you?
Chaang-Noi: naked*
ThickAsThieves: none of this is naked
furuknap: I hope not :-)
Chaang-Noi: just ask mp how profitable selling short 40,000 btc worth of pirate shit would ahve been worth.
ThickAsThieves: it's all provable
ThickAsThieves: I posted my transparency report
ThickAsThieves: no other PT operator does that
ThickAsThieves: go ahead and ask DT and Burnside to show their shares
ThickAsThieves: I'd be interested to see em
furuknap: Of course, I have no reason not to trust you, but you still don't have to hold personal shares, which is totally different from holding shares from someone else and routing the dividends.
ThickAsThieves: but still a large liability
furuknap: I understand there is work involved, but I saw the regular PT numbers and thought it would be much more interest in the 100PTs.
ThickAsThieves: the PTs that charge no fee
ThickAsThieves: are gamed
ThickAsThieves: essentially
ThickAsThieves: DT gets something out of the deal
ThickAsThieves: we just dont know what
furuknap: Actually burnside reaps from trading because it is his exchange.
furuknap: AM has been very, very profitable for him. That's why he took the fee away.
ThickAsThieves: large conflict of interest there no?
ThickAsThieves: he can game things from within
furuknap: Of course there is, but he's very clear about it.
Chaang-Noi: oh, i know burnside has a significant number of shares
Chaang-Noi: i sold them and had friedcat send them to him personally
ThickAsThieves: doesnt mean he still holds them
Chaang-Noi: he could have sold 2 or 3 times what i sent, but i know he has many many many
ThickAsThieves: I'm not accusing so much as saying I think they SHOULD show proof
Chaang-Noi: yeah, iv wondered about this too
ThickAsThieves: Burnside would pass off his PT if it didnt have to be no-fee
Chaang-Noi: but really... have to read the contract
Chaang-Noi: some times naked short selling is fine
ThickAsThieves: but bitfunder painted him into a corner
ThickAsThieves: being no fee
ThickAsThieves: so DT must be getting something out of it
Chaang-Noi: he just wanted to keep people on his exchange, as he knew AM was the best hing evar
Chaang-Noi: he had the first PT thanks to me
ThickAsThieves: but DT does all the work
ThickAsThieves: and trust me, there's work
Chaang-Noi: DT has nothing to do with burnside
furuknap: I think I heard why DT runs his PT for free sometime, but can't for the life of me remember what it was.
ThickAsThieves: talking about BF chaang
Chaang-Noi: DT did it for free cuz ukto helped out DT in the past
ThickAsThieves: if BF didnt start with no-fee
Chaang-Noi: paying back a favour
ThickAsThieves: Burnside wouldnt have done no-fee
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> we just dont know what << funny cause i'm just writing an article sort of on the topic
mircea_popescu: be about 10 mins
Chaang-Noi: TAT i know
Chaang-Noi: mp, spreading fud, awesome :)
ThickAsThieves: as i see it
ThickAsThieves: it's unhealthy
ThickAsThieves: to do no-fee
ThickAsThieves: it starts bad trends
furuknap: I agree, and to me, it's a red flag.
Chaang-Noi: he gets a fee by having people lose a percent on every buy and sell
ThickAsThieves: like exchanges running their own PT
ThickAsThieves: kickbacks
Chaang-Noi: also people join his exchange
ThickAsThieves: if your operators dont have incentive
ThickAsThieves: theyll find it elsewhere
Chaang-Noi: he tried to get me to run the pt but i would not do it being a us site and all
taub: PT DT?
ThickAsThieves: i guess i better fix my cookie
Chaang-Noi: he talked to me personally,as im the guy who cooked him up so he could do it,. he just wanted it on his exchang first
Chaang-Noi: taub pass though deadterra
ThickAsThieves: i started mine with shares i actually held
ThickAsThieves: no if/then deals
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [-]
taub: ah
Chaang-Noi: he had an options contract with me held by jahn the dong
KRS1: whats with that wall at $125
Chaang-Noi: the only question was if friedcat would move them or not
Chaang-Noi: krs1 wall is dead
KRS1: hmm
Chaang-Noi: or you mean the buy wall?
Chaang-Noi: the wall from 118 went to 125
KRS1: oh ok
Chaang-Noi: now its gone
Chaang-Noi: 122.22 again
Chaang-Noi: no one is seeing the same market at the same time, crazy shit
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 200
Chaang-Noi: yes kako :)
ThickAsThieves: ;bids 100
furuknap: Gribble is dead.
Chaang-Noi: the best is the asks
Bugpowder: munch munch
Chaang-Noi: you mean choo choo motherfucker!
kakobrekla: you mean fyl chickun ?
ThickAsThieves: fly chikun in flight, afternoon delight
Chaang-Noi: that is for ltc
Chaang-Noi: choo choo motherfucker is for btc
furuknap: Uhm... Did LTC just have a rocket up its ass?
Chaang-Noi: kako, keep uo with the almost weekly changing slang
Chaang-Noi: ltc is about where it was a day ago
Chaang-Noi: ltc is down from a week ago
kakobrekla: well Chaang-Noi thanks for providing slang updating service
furuknap: Actually, it's up about 10% vs BTC and 20% vs USD just in a couple of hours on BTCE.
furuknap: Dammit! I just sold one of my GPUs to buy LTC and didn't get the cash in time.
Bugpowder: LTC is a joke
Bugpowder: bubble in a bubbl
furuknap: Then you stay away, problem solved :-)
Chaang-Noi: yes, ltc is a joke, a joke so funny i made $500,000
Chaang-Noi: iv made so much more off of ltc than btc
taub: dat book ratio
ThickAsThieves: dominos is slinging pizza-flavored DVDs
taub: two new coins at btce...
taub: ftc and cnc what hte fug
Chaang-Noi: off to bed, night all
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32275 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so far I love "I can’t have fun behaving uneconomically."
mircea_popescu: it's basically the same idea, "crafting is for fun not for making tria" vs "running pts is for fun not for making btc"
mircea_popescu: people are very much used to this basically nonsensical crap they spend their life in cause it's "easier"
error4733: ;;ticker
furuknap: Gribble dead.
furuknap: It's roughly 125, tho...
error4733: griblebackup ? please
ThickAsThieves: mp, the article is funny, but i was anticipating someting more directly bitcoin-provocative :(
ThickAsThieves: like "hey fuckface, show me the fucking proof and tell me all ur backroom dealz nao!"
ThickAsThieves: or waxing on why no-fee is bad for bitcoin investing
ThickAsThieves: i guess i'm free to write my own shit
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.875 = 3.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.875 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.879 = 9.395 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.87998 = 5.6399 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves gegege
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01839 = 1.839 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2202 = 1.5414 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.220101 = 0.4402 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.22 = 2.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.22 = 1.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01839 = 0.1655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 28 @ 0.0183 = 0.5124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 205 @ 0.01830101 = 3.7517 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.018301 = 0.366 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 315 @ 0.01830001 = 5.7645 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 432 @ 0.0183 = 7.9056 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8795 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 99 @ 0.01849 = 1.8305 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.8795 = 18.795 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0183 = 1.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.0183 = 0.732 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01849 = 0.0925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 13 @ 0.002789 = 0.0363 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea_popescu: maybe you can help him? http://blog.dwolla.com/i-want-to-work-with-more-women/
mircea_popescu: i can, which doesn't mean i will.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason \women don't work for him is cause he's a creepy looking dude.
mircea_popescu: (i asked my own hr)
ThickAsThieves: what a weird blog
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: " I’m trying to see if you’re building something and if so, on what, for whom, so I can figure out how to find you."
ThickAsThieves: good luck, buddy!
mircea_popescu: and yeah, he writes the creepiest shit too
jcpham: what if the woman wants you to be her dominant partner
jcpham: and she wants to be the sub
jcpham: no kissing
ThickAsThieves: from comments:
ThickAsThieves: "This is amazing, thanks for posting this Ben! If Dwolla was located in Chicago I'd be applying for a front-end dev job right now."
ThickAsThieves: 'front end dev' is that what they call it these days ;)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22999 = 0.46 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think she means front end loading
mircea_popescu: as in, no anal.
furuknap: It is. Quite common term, actually. It's all HTML5 and moving things and stuff.
ThickAsThieves: it was a joke furuk
furuknap: I realize that.
ThickAsThieves: i'll stick to my day job
mircea_popescu: boom-tssss
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.002789 = 0.0251 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: comment from a male
ThickAsThieves: "Possibly put an intern or Jenna (if she has time) on reach out duty"
ThickAsThieves: okay i'll stop being a 13yo
ThickAsThieves: he thinks max share price for 1 share is all bitcoins
ThickAsThieves: I think he missed something there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0186 = 0.2046 BTC [+]
furuknap: I think a lot of the people right now are missing something, possibly vital too.
ThickAsThieves: even impossible if you divide by 400k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01849 = 0.7211 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.841 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01832 = 0.0916 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0183 = 0.915 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.8725 = 7.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01821 = 0.3642 BTC [-]
furuknap: Damn, I so want to publish my numbers and model. I'll hold back, though. If I'm right, it's easily proven after the fact. If I'm wrong, it won't help anyone.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: you can always share here
ThickAsThieves: it's not quite like broadcasting n forums
kakobrekla: its not like we have a log or anything.
furuknap: Heh, yeah, that'd stay secret for about, I don't know, 10ns?
ThickAsThieves: didn't know it was an all-out "secret"
jcpham: insider information welcomed anytime in #bitcoin-assets!
jcpham: no regulators here, just friendlies
furuknap: It's not a 'secret' per se, but if I'm right and publish in advance, I'll just be charged with trying to manipulate the price. I have no intention of manipulating anything. I have no insider information, just an analysis that shows there is no way for investors to recouperate their investments at these levels.
jurov: you have 10ns ping? /me want
furuknap: Besides, it's mostly targeted at surviving 2016. Most 'investors' now don't see past the next dividend. I doubt it will help anyone.
jurov: bitcoin pensionary fund operators might be interested
jurov: ;;next
furuknap: It's really not that complicated. It makes a couple of assumptions. 1) With the current dividend level, AM will focus solely on churning out cash, not preparing for 2016 halving, and 2) in 2016 due to halving of revenue, share prices will halve too. If those assumptions are correct, you simply divide half the current share price over the number of weeks or months, subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi
mircea_popescu: furuknap : make a statement of it, publish the hash of it
mircea_popescu: then later you can publish the statement
mircea_popescu: maybe also publish the wordcount, just in case kids don't comprehend hashing.
furuknap: I was thinking something like that, but really, is isn't required. The numbers won't change so they are the same in three months or a year and will just show the same results.
kakobrekla: you got cut
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: > subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
furuknap: subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (which technically is also an assumption).
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8725 = 3.745 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no mining asset halved during the reward halving
jcpham: what's so bad about being charged with manipulating the price
furuknap: That's why it's an assumption, but really, AM must double their network percentage to maintain the same dividends. AM wasn't paying mining-based dividends at anything close to what they're expecting over the next years.
mircea_popescu: i doubt price formation has much to do with any sort of rational thinking.
jcpham: mining turds never repay
jcpham: got to get out early
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1955 = 0.391 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the main components are 1. people wish to participate, they see mining as participation, they can't afford rigs so this is the next best
furuknap: Oh, I agree. People bay hundreds of dollars for an iPhone and that is just a piece of shit.
jurov: and you seem to imply that AM will be around in unchanged form 3 years from now, and also we won't increase blocksize (and thus txfees). which is pretty unlikely.
mircea_popescu: 2. people wish to be "together", this is like the one thing where they can be together
mircea_popescu: "so guise, do you think price is going up"
furuknap: The model actually assumes a certain block size increase.
mircea_popescu: it's like birds chipring to one another "op there's many of us we'll be safe chirp chirp"
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191001 BTC [-]
Scrat: supernodes are pumping the price
Scrat: fuck supernodes, man
furuknap: Yeah, and that herd is driving the price now, not anything fndamental.
mircea_popescu: jurov not increasing blocksize is what increases fees.
furuknap: Really, it doesn't bother me if people mindlessly run in one direction, but I'm somewhat bothered by having information that may help people not get burned. If they still want to stampede, fine.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.191 = 0.573 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so publish it
furuknap: I doubt very many people realize all the factors in evaluating AM sustainability and are just seeing huge dividends, expecting that to stick around forever.
ThickAsThieves: I think your ideas are riddled with assumptions
jcpham: pics or didn't happen
jcpham: where is tiberiusv
jurov: mircea_popescu: that remains to seen whether the demand is really so elastic.
ThickAsThieves: One doesn't just assume in bitcoin
Scrat: jcpham: banned
jcpham: drats
ThickAsThieves: a number of your assumptions are also in contrast with known history
ThickAsThieves: making them that much more potentially "wild"
ThickAsThieves: that said
ThickAsThieves: I could use a little dip in the price
ThickAsThieves: so fire away
jurov: we need soros-level analysis instead of these maff nerds
jurov: he claims to take irrationality into account
jurov: and hype
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.845 BTC [-]
jurov: seems to work for him
furuknap: At some point, someone will do that math. Bitcoin mining is quite predictable due to its finite reward. If we had inflation, this wouldn't be a problem.
jurov: lol do tell me, i sell diff derivatives. but btc price is pretty much not predictable, and it affects am much.
ThickAsThieves: what if in 3 years, 80% of AM revenue is hardware sales
ThickAsThieves: what if in 2 years AM sells the company at a 25% premium?
furuknap: TAT: Yeah, that could be a solution, but to do that, there would need to be funds for research, production, marketing, etc, etc, etc. Right now, it doesn't seem like friedcat is willing to think that far ahead.
ThickAsThieves: where did you get that impression?
furuknap: They may sell, but they'll sell to someone far better at math than me.
ThickAsThieves: surely they would not sell to a mathematician
jurov: $oi
jurov: $oix
furuknap: From pouring out as much dividend as possible. I'm not saying "No" to dividends, I'm saying a pile of cash in the hands of friedcat is better at ensuring sustainability than a ton of dimes in the hands of thousands of investors.
jurov: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jurov: O.o
ThickAsThieves: they do not always pay out 100% divs
ThickAsThieves: they have retained much
ThickAsThieves: and will retain in the future
ThickAsThieves: they just didnt this week
furuknap: They wouldn't have to pay half that. People don't seem to realize that not paying dividends doesn't mean the money is burned in a forge.
ThickAsThieves: i dont think you are listening
ThickAsThieves: they have reserves
ThickAsThieves: and add to them some weeks
ThickAsThieves: just not all weeks
ThickAsThieves: they are planning next-gen already
ThickAsThieves: they are planning 1000TH before year's end as a conservative goal
furuknap: I know that has been said. I haven't been able to figure out how much.
ThickAsThieves: you probably could
ThickAsThieves: would take digging
furuknap: Well, it's really moot. I'll have my models in a year too, and even longer :-)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8724 = 3.7448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.8724 = 5.6172 BTC [+]
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: 117.10
furuknap: BTW, out of curiosity, if there came a tender offer on AM, how would the PTs handle that? Vote?
ThickAsThieves: my PT has no voting rights
ThickAsThieves: I dont think AM shares have them either
furuknap: That's my point. I'm sure the buyer would want to know whether they could buy...
ThickAsThieves: probably a board decision
furuknap: Board can't decide whether someone sells.
ThickAsThieves: my PT acts in kind with the underlying asset
ThickAsThieves: if AM sold
ThickAsThieves: there would be a mass buyback
furuknap: Hm...
furuknap: If there was a forced buy-back... By whose authority would that happen? It would be according to Chinese law, I would presume. However, since the PT-holder don't hold shares, the buyback would be against the PT operator.
furuknap: I need to get to bed, I'm seeing wafer designs on the inside of my eyelids.
furuknap: Talk to you guys another day.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0182 = 0.2366 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.0182 = 3.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01855 = 3.71 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: where is mpoe bot?
mircea_popescu: smickles_ runs him
jurov: smickles_ abducted him?
mircea_popescu: prolly connectivity issues ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00066943 = 2.2761 BTC [-]
jurov: $avg works
jurov: i hope
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: 117.10
mircea_popescu: ok so then what's the problem
jurov: ic, i can create any options i want and sell to myself. all solved.
jcpham: definitely
truffles: who else is drinking today?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872499 BTC [+]
taub: not a fan of the booze
KRS1: apparently gribble ass is
jurov: i was
jurov: but have enough
truffles: <taub> not a fan of the booze>> why not?
jcpham: we're drinking a homemade rye ipa
jcpham: and newcastle brown
KRS1: powerball lotto is well over half a billion
KRS1: imagine being able to buy all of the bitcoins and still having more than anyone would know what to do with
KRS1: i would buy them all and tell you all to go find something else to do..like a boss
KRS1: dismissed
truffles: sitting in the vault collecting dust meh
Namworld: Coinroll really getting a good betting volume. And it won't IPO =/
jurov: truffles IPO your booze then
jurov: should appreciate over time... but delivery of dividends would be problematic
truffles: although i could get more with more..
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01821 = 0.0364 BTC [+]
Namworld: I'd totally invest in your booze, truffles
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01821 = 0.0911 BTC [+]
jurov: maybe ThickAsThieves could figure passthrough :DDDD
truffles: <Namworld> I'd totally invest in your booze, truffles >>> no wai lol
truffles: my partner would not like that i dont think
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
truffles: still cool even if in jest :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8797 = 3.7594 BTC [+]
taub: i love the sierrachart jabs at mtgox
taub: >Interesting. Never heard of such a concept when it comes to trading. We would think that immediate execution should always be achieved as much as possible.
mircea_popescu: taub context ?
taub: regarding the goxlag
taub: and that other one regarding socket io
taub: We see that the MTGox data feed is not entirely reliable and also from an engineering perspective, its technical implementation really is very confusing and not well structured. They are using what is called a web socket and then on top of that Socket I/O . This is unnecessary and the method by which this is implemented is not technically correct. So we are not very impressed with the MTGox data feed. This is just a comment.
optimator: jcpham: homemade rye is nice as long as the rye is in moderation
jcpham: i like a strong pale
jcpham: like hops too
jcpham: homebrewing is legal now as of a few days ago
jcpham: thinking about starting
optimator: i'm searching for the perfect porter - that balances hops and sweetness
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [+]
optimator: it's funny the things the state tries to regulate
truffles: breathing tax isnt out yet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01855 = 1.855 BTC [-]
jcpham: funny i sold yesterday
jcpham: ho hum
truffles: not a true believer
jcpham: damn these asics
jcpham: nope
mircea_popescu: lol noobs and their issues. always funny.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0186 = 0.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8798 = 3.7596 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002577 = 0.0129 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 88 @ 0.002578 = 0.2269 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 140 @ 0.002589 = 0.3625 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01821 = 0.1093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066701 = 2.8822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000667 = 6.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.00066578 = 1.9834 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01821 = 0.5281 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0186 = 0.093 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.01821 = 0.6374 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.002789 = 0.0139 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01849 = 0.8136 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00066984 = 3.2487 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1694 @ 0.00067238 = 1.139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.0186 = 1.023 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0186 = 0.0372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0399 BTC [+]
jcpham: mircea_popescu,
jcpham: "Wences Casares, founder of Lemon"
jcpham: did you know that
jcpham: the rota case guy runs a wallet
jcpham: i spend so much time in the dark in the cold.
jcpham: in the rain.
mircea_popescu: he was at my conference, we talked abnout it...
kakobrekla: and he is on this chan.
jcpham: super
mircea_popescu: lol poor josh
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01849 = 0.0555 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0186 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
jcpham: it's probably beeter that i don't know who people are or give a shit
jcpham: possible fixation
jcpham: i'm easily distracted
jcpham: so the bitcoin conference started today?
KRS1: mtgox has namecoin in their api too i did not know this..they must be at least slightly interested in the alt coins
jurov: ofc: Will Bitcoin be able to scale in the face of exponential growth? Mike answered "yes" and without the need for "Bitcoin banks" or supernodes.
jurov: we don't need nobody
Namworld: That lemon thing looks neat
Namworld: But I find it annoying to have so many apps/options
Namworld: Plus cards are easier to manage I say... nothing wrong in a physical wallet
Namworld: live balances is a cool feature tho...
mircea_popescu: Namworld his idea was mostly for noobs/old people
Namworld: I'll wait till all cards are microcomputers and show live balances directly on them lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2179 @ 0.00067323 = 1.467 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5221 @ 0.00067326 = 3.5151 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01849 = 0.3513 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [+]
KRS1: wtf did someone say it was okay for gribble to take off on a friday like this? he doesnt even know whats going on in the market
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.87995 = 18.7995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 1.87995 = 28.1993 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.87998 = 33.8396 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.879999 = 20.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.88 = 15.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.889 = 5.667 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.89 = 5.67 BTC [+]
jurov: sorry, gribble went to san jose
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01849 = 0.3698 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.01865 = 7.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [+]
KRS1: wtf he cant go to san jose..who is gonna cover for him
truffles: assbot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0398 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: SDICE Profit This Month: -1298.65012061 BTC (so far) :/
truffles: what what in the butt
mircea_popescu: haha srlsy ?
optimator: de-U.S.-ing has it's short term costs
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8802 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.88 = 9.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01849 = 0.9245 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01849 = 0.3513 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3003 @ 0.00067319 = 2.0216 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 58 @ 0.01855 = 1.0759 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: WTB ASICMINER Shares in Bulk
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.002589 = 0.1295 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0186 = 0.3906 BTC [+]
parseval: It feels like SDICE hasn't been expanding like it should have been.. and now, it's contracting a bit
parseval: I mean, using only the bitcoin network is great and all, but they left a bunch of money on the table there. At the least they should have been collecting some user data for return calls to action
ThickAsThieves: parseval, marketing, communication, and development are not needed for successful business
ThickAsThieves: or so I've been told
ThickAsThieves: where were you yesterday when I needed you!
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.899999 = 9.5 BTC [+]
parseval: Probably sleeping
parseval: Speaking of which, my workday's done. Be back on in a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.01885 = 0.1697 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0186 = 0.0372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066603 = 2.8779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14279 @ 0.00066578 = 9.5067 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00279 = 0.0279 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00279 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6 @ 0.00279 = 0.0167 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0186 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.010098 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.2179 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0169 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.75 = 8.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01885 = 0.4901 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.018738 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01885 = 1.885 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 204 @ 0.01885 = 3.8454 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.018738 = 0.9369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7347 @ 0.00066825 = 4.9096 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 130 @ 0.01885 = 2.4505 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.01885 = 0.3205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.01885 = 0.9991 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018738 = 0.0562 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1915 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 6 @ 0.019 = 0.114 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018738 = 0.0375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 147 @ 0.01885 = 2.771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.018738 = 0.1874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2903 @ 0.00067236 = 1.9519 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.183601 = 0.5508 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 300 @ 0.0189 = 5.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.019 = 2.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01905 = 0.9525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0191 = 1.91 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.019145 = 4.7863 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 34 @ 0.018738 = 0.6371 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01915 = 0.0383 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.0189 = 7.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.018798 = 0.188 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.881 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 451 @ 0.01890001 = 8.5239 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0189 = 0.4725 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0189 = 9.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 424 @ 0.0188 = 7.9712 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.018798 = 0.7895 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 22 @ 0.019 = 0.418 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01899999 = 0.38 BTC [-]
truffles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173433.0 actually reading comments by m-pr in this thread
truffles: seemed to have toned it down a tad bit
mjrIII: hi all
mjrIII: whats up
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
truffles: surfing
mjrIII: at the conference
ThickAsThieves: is it awesome?
truffles: "the conference"
ThickAsThieves: or lolsome?
mjrIII: hasn't really started
mjrIII: just hung out with erik a bit
mjrIII: saw some of the nyc guys
truffles: ure so social
mjrIII: lol
mjrIII: i suppose
mjrIII: that is the point of conferences
mjrIII: i think
truffles: and chatrooms :p
ThickAsThieves: conferences are also good to foster cultism/fanboism
truffles: how many women there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066579 = 2.8769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6779 @ 0.00066578 = 4.5133 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: too many i bet
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.018798 = 0.3384 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: about to hit 1.9
mircea_popescu: well maybe the 7.5 noob had it
ThickAsThieves: 50 shares @ 1.9, then next ask is at 1.949
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 427 @ 0.01899999 = 8.113 BTC [-]
truffles: maybe itll be 3 by the end of month
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it's still payout 2.5% per month at 3BTC
truffles: dunno what those numbers mean
truffles: too sleepy, later
mjrIII: heya mircea_popescu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2487 = 0.9948 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01882 = 0.1694 BTC [+]
mjrIII: so far this conference sucks compared to romania
mircea_popescu: no supernodes yet ?
mjrIII: hehehe
mjrIII: haven't seen one yet
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01882 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: damn, I hjave so many users logged in so many places
Josh_Rossi: i'm mjr by the way
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0169 BTC [-]
error4733: yes, i know
error4733: buttonwodd, etc...
error4733: how was monday btw ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01882 = 0.3199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 8 @ 0.191 = 1.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191 BTC [-]
Josh_Rossi: it went well
Josh_Rossi: some trading
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.018798 = 0.1316 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067325 = 2.9091 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01898 = 0.3796 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018798 = 0.0376 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [-]
parseval: I think I need to work on those charts a bit more, people seem to like them
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.018798 = 0.282 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: they are pretty decent
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01874 = 0.0375 BTC [-]
parseval: I still need to add in flags for the dividends, and maybe make up some candlestick charts. Oh, and a USD->BTC comparison
parseval: Maybe something combining %pricechange and volume so we can visualize velocity a bit better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00067403 = 5.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2811 @ 0.00067458 = 1.8962 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: parseval which charts are those ?
parseval: highstock
parseval: fnords.dontexist.com
mircea_popescu: "my shit sucks so you gotta adjust the world nao"
mircea_popescu: then you wonder how obamas get voted into office.
mircea_popescu: "plz vote for me i shall adjust difficulty!!!"
KRS1: yeah like..was obama the best we could come up with?
parseval: That guy should move to litecoin instead, no asics yet
mircea_popescu: o hey, those charts ARE cool.
KRS1: we must look like a bunch of chumps to the rest of the world
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018798 = 0.0376 BTC [+]
parseval: Thank you
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01898 = 0.4365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
error4733: "Just stop mining, so the difficulty will go down and it will be more profitable for me. Grin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.01899999 = 1.007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 47 @ 0.01899999 = 0.893 BTC [-]
KRS1: sup mjr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 111 @ 0.01899999 = 2.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1510 @ 0.00067458 = 1.0186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00067459 = 3.1031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00067998 = 5.2358 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01898 = 0.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2204 = 0.8816 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01898 = 0.2467 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00279 = 0.0056 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 144 @ 0.0007 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01866 = 0.0373 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000666 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000666 = 0.0067 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01899999 = 0.095 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01898 = 0.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01898 = 0.5694 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01898 = 0.4745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01899 = 1.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.019 = 0.57 BTC [+]
ll: !t h asicm
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.01751000 / 0.01823021 / 0.01915000 (20897 shares, 380.95668561 BTC), 7D: 0.01455000 / 0.01719326 / 0.01999999 (71158 shares, 1223.43803393 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.01640911 / 0.02820000 (104098 shares, 1708.15590084 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.019 = 0.247 BTC [+]
ll: !t h him
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.90000000 / 1.91737658 / 2.03990000 (38 shares, 72.86031000 BTC), 7D: 1.90000000 / 2.10242554 / 2.48990000 (157 shares, 330.08081000 BTC), 30D: 1.44000000 / 1.94166161 / 2.48990000 (570 shares, 1106.74711546 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 61 @ 0.01899999 = 1.159 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.23194 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 31 @ 0.01899999 = 0.589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899512 = 5.6985 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.9 = 19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 65 @ 0.01899999 = 1.235 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01876 = 0.1876 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01876 = 0.0938 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.019 = 0.684 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 56 @ 0.002561 = 0.1434 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.219998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.9 = 5.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.4299 = 8.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.9 = 11.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.9 = 39.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.019124 = 0.1912 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 74 @ 0.019125 = 1.4153 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01899999 = 0.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.019125 = 0.0956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10675 @ 0.00069547 = 7.4241 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you at the conf yet?
pizzaman1337: not yet, I'll be going there soon. I think the "doors" open in about 45 mins. =
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.019125 BTC [+]
parseval: I wonder how strong of a reputation I'd need to have to launch a securities backed loan site that lets borrowers put up shares as collateral and take out BTC loans from people. Kind of like BTCJam only everything would be 120%+ collateralized and borrowers could keep the dividends that accrue while their loans are active.
kakobrekla: i did that a year ago.
Namworld: Did it work?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.900201 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i made a few deals.
parseval: Use case: You want to go play the volatile MtGox market to capitalize on changes in btc price, but you also want to keep your AM shares intact and collecting dividends while you do it.. Pay a small fee and a percentage, then repay your loan within the terms paid. Collect back your AM shares plus dividends.
parseval: Well, I was thinking of making the whole process automated
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1049 = 0.8392 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: nah, you dont get the dividends
kakobrekla: and share valutation is problematic
kakobrekla: esp with such as AM
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01925 = 0.9625 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so i was only taking hash rate specified bonds
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 23 @ 0.105 = 2.415 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: that way i could estimate the devaluation easier
kakobrekla: (yes preetymuch everything was devaluating on glbse)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9002 BTC [-]
parseval: Well, yeah, you _can_ get your divs back, if the system is set up to track them and pay them out. And volatility is a risk, but requiring a minimum 120% collateral would mitigate that somewhat and the lender would need to agree to the collateral and terms
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 63 @ 0.106 = 6.678 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ya well good luck finding people who will lend for nothing
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.108 = 0.756 BTC [+]
parseval: Not nothing.. they'd pay out an interest rate on the loan to the lender
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 69 @ 0.01925 = 1.3283 BTC [+]
parseval: Say 5% or whatever terms both parties are willing to accept. The borrower puts up the shares at X collateral, and investors can browse and pick which loans they want to fund
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00070029 = 2.9412 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: wrap in an escrow service
ThickAsThieves: ive been toying woth ideas
kakobrekla: you must undervalue the shares correctly
kakobrekla: or else ill just default the loan if the shares go down
kakobrekla: and say fuck you
ThickAsThieves: thats the real issue
parseval: That's the idea, ThickAsThieves. I'd pull the BTC-TC shares to a third party account to lock them down, and take a 1% fee for facilitating the transaction
ThickAsThieves: it becomes a way to short
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01925 = 0.1155 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: personally i dont like loans
parseval: I'd probably add in some reputation items like OTC and BitcoinTalk forum name verification
kakobrekla: i took gigamining for a month or so loan, valued them at 60%, took the divs and asked for 1% on top of it.
ThickAsThieves: but there are lots of features for offering escrow
kakobrekla: issued a loan*
ThickAsThieves: issue with escrow though,
ThickAsThieves: is you csnt grow without humans
parseval: One thought I had was that if this could be marketed to the daytraders at Gox successfully, then they'd start investing some of that BTC into securities
ThickAsThieves: for arbitrating
parseval: hmm, good point on the arbitration. I'd have to figure something out about that to minimize the shorting aspect
ripplebandit_com: parseval what paltform would you do this on? ripple? open transactions?
parseval: bitcoin, probably with a 6 confirmation requirement for funds to settle
ThickAsThieves: who would you get to do ur ipo ? that TAT guy?
ripplebandit_com: it's actually a serious question. Ive got an mpex seat, and would like to resell it like coinbr
parseval: It'd be on BTC-TC
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0193 = 0.4825 BTC [+]
parseval: They already have mechanisms in place with their API to ease the transfer of assets. I'm sure mpex does as well, but I've never had an account there
ThickAsThieves: parseval before you focus on btctc we should talk sometime
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.943999 BTC [+]
parseval: Sure
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.944 = 3.888 BTC [+]
parseval: Some reason to avoid them? I know Havelock has an budding API, but they don't quite have the breadth of assets
ripplebandit_com: thanks parseval. thanks for humoring me Thick As Thieves
ThickAsThieves: sry i just dont like the spammy username
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002588 = 0.0129 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9439 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.944 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.945 = 15.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01925 = 0.0385 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9437 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.949 = 19.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9445 = 3.889 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.95 = 7.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 24 @ 0.48 = 11.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 16 @ 0.0007 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.49 = 2.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.95 BTC [+]
furuknap: Wow indeed.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.0193 = 0.9264 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.95 = 9.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0193 = 0.9071 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00070029 = 2.5911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2217 @ 0.00070056 = 1.5531 BTC [+]
parseval: I think a few people might be in for a letdown when the next dividends come back with less than this week due to reduced hardware sales
parseval: I could be wrong though
KRS1: how are hw sales are included in "income"
KRS1: i dont think that would fly normally..hardware used for revenue needs to be depreciated and wrote off doesnt it
KRS1: unless we're not talking about AM here
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0193 = 0.965 BTC [+]
parseval: I think the hardware sales were .021 of the recent dividend
parseval: They're selling hardware in addition to mining
Namworld: The auction they had?
ThickAsThieves: im more worried if they DO have good hardware sales this next div
ThickAsThieves: price will get wild
Namworld: That's what made the dividend so high?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.01899999 = 0.76 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: they sold 180 blades
parseval: Yep... a lot of people will assume it's all from mining and will continue every week
ThickAsThieves: since then the blades are made to order with bulk pricing
ThickAsThieves: they also have a potential 20k coins in usd miners selling
furuknap: If they sell and appreciate all those bees this week, there's going to be a lot of blood.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.96 = 3.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0193 BTC [+]
furuknap: "Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful."
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0193 = 0.0772 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2104 @ 0.00070056 = 1.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5096 @ 0.00070057 = 3.5701 BTC [+]
furuknap: MPOE up 5%? Any news?
ThickAsThieves: nah it does that
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01935 = 0.0581 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: goes from 60-75 at seemingly random waves
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002588 = 0.0129 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01935 = 0.1548 BTC [+]
cole_albon: ThickAsThieves - no more spammy address thanks for the wake up call
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.002589 = 0.2589 BTC [+]
furuknap: I'm starting to wonder whether that "How to buy AM shares" article was a huge mistake.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01935 = 0.1935 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: inaba nominated for scammer tag
furuknap: Yeah, a lot of bruised feelings will probably make that happen unless they cough up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.01899999 = 0.513 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01899999 BTC [+]
furuknap: I can almost time visits to my article with sudden price hikes in AM. I'm saddened by the amount of people that don't heed simple advice and just throw money into a game they apparently do not understand. No wonder why casinos make a lot of money...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01899999 = 0.494 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: smart money has been made, if.
kakobrekla: thats that.
Chaang-Noi: wow 1.9X for AM? insane
furuknap: Yeah, and if that's that, there will be w alot of bruised feelings here too.
furuknap: I'ts been up to 1.96
kakobrekla: bruised feelings, why?
blehg: hope it takes a couple of days to break 2.0
kakobrekla: its not like theres a contract made
furuknap: Bruised feelings because people that don't act rational when they buy sure as heck dont' act rational when they have lost.
ThickAsThieves: contracts protect the biz more than the buyer
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01935 = 1.935 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: come on over 2 btc :)
Namworld: ASICMINER too expensive
Chaang-Noi: not to sell!
Namworld: I should have put all my money on that
Namworld: like 1k BTC
Namworld: or more
Namworld: take loans back when it was cheap per BTC
furuknap: There's 56 shares and ฿111 until ฿2 breaks on BTCT.
Chaang-Noi: yeah... i did a fair bit
Namworld: put all on ASICMINER
Namworld: Have like 25k shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: there might still be time
ThickAsThieves: could hit 3btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01935 BTC [+]
Namworld: 25k * 0.03 BTC dividend = 750 BTC or 90 000 USD
Namworld: 90 000 USD div for one week
Namworld: 50 000 BTC valuation, 6 million
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
Namworld: for 25k BTC back then
blehg: I bought about 400 calls
Namworld: like 125k investment
furuknap: 2->3 BTC=50% increase. 0.75->2 = 166% increase. Not much more 'easy' money to be made, even if it reaches ฿3.
Chaang-Noi: wow a bid at 1.9798
Chaang-Noi: 200 will be easy to cross
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01935 = 0.1742 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: and there it goes lol
furuknap: Why the heck to people bit 0.0001 below ask?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00069603 = 2.8189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2325 @ 0.00069547 = 1.617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069388 = 2.9983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10576 @ 0.00069387 = 7.3384 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: am orders are often retarded
ThickAsThieves: people always feel the need to lower their ask when i match it
furuknap: That's not just for AM, btw. Seems to apply to every market in BTC and LTC.
furuknap: I bid 300@0.12 on something, some idiot comes along and puts up 1@0.1200001
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: bids are different
ThickAsThieves: higher price gets first action
parseval: BTC-TC will always fill the higher priced order first.. there's no way to choose which. So, the bots work the margins as long as they're at that .2% difference or more
ThickAsThieves: with asks the older of same price maintains priority
furuknap: Same behavior on asks. I put up an ask at 0.14, someone will put up 0.1399999. Usually just one.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01934 = 0.4448 BTC [-]
parseval: It's a script doing that. Notice it always updates within 5 minutes
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.01935 = 0.6192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01935 = 0.1935 BTC [+]
parseval: er, .4%
Namworld: Just normal furu... undercutting
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.01935 = 0.9095 BTC [+]
furuknap: Still annoying. At least have the decency to undercut with some effort.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 400 @ 0.002589 = 1.0356 BTC [+]
furuknap: Buy-a-hash got listed on LTCGlobal last night (my time, or around 6 hours ago) it seems. Anyone read up on it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 33 @ 0.0191 = 0.6303 BTC [+]
nospinzy: what is the proper output format from the bitcoin sendmany using this format sendmany <fromaccount> {address:amount,...}
nospinzy: if i were to type in in the console
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01911 = 0.0764 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.01935 = 0.8708 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01935 = 0.0968 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9797 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01935 = 0.0968 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01935 = 0.0387 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9799 = 3.9598 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.209999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.97999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.01 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.01 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.01 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.97999 = 3.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.97999 = 9.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 51 @ 0.0193 = 0.9843 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01935 = 0.4838 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.97999 BTC [+]
cole_albon: are there any step-by-step instructions on how to exercise a call on mpex?
furuknap: Wow. Someone just picked up a Call with strike ฿2.7 on BTCT.
furuknap: 5x actually.
furuknap: And three at strike ฿2.1. What's wrong with people?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01935 = 0.2129 BTC [+]
blehg: wasn't me
ThickAsThieves: hilarious
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01935 = 0.0968 BTC [+]
furuknap: I hope not, otherwise I think I'd have to break the rule about slapping in here.
furuknap: Someone must hav bought not knowing what they were doing.
ThickAsThieves: why not just buy tat.pt
furuknap: Why not buy anything. A strike of 2.7? That's confidence or stupidity at a level I have not yet seen.
ThickAsThieves: people paying 1.98 when im selling 1.935
ThickAsThieves: also silly
blehg: oh *that* call at 2.7 .. yah I bought that X 5
blehg: the premium was only 0.1
blehg: it was on sale :)
furuknap: Yeah... I have a red SF bridge on sale too. You send first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.0193 = 0.9457 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01935 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0194 = 1.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01945 = 0.9725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0195 = 1.95 BTC [+]
blehg: Yesterday I had 55 BTC
blehg: Today I have 400 Calls
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00197 BTC [-]
furuknap: Serious or joking on the 400 calls? I haven't seen any volume on BTCT.
blehg: I haven't exercised many
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7974 @ 0.00069387 = 5.5329 BTC [-]
blehg: I have 400 not yet exercised
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1655 @ 0.00069249 = 1.1461 BTC [-]
blehg: bitfunder too
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 182 @ 0.01935 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 281 @ 0.0007 = 0.1967 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.97999 BTC [+]
furuknap: I hate the Bitfunder site. Takes almost a minute to load the first chart for me and I can't get myself to trust that two-site thing with wee exchange.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 500 @ 0.019399 = 9.6995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0199 = 0.199 BTC [+]
blehg: you can disable the chart
furuknap: How?
blehg: settings
furuknap: Yeah, that would require me to register.
blehg: complain much?
furuknap: Like I said, I don't trust the site.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.019888 = 0.4574 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: just cuz two accounts?
blehg: It's ok.. more for me
ThickAsThieves: whats the core concern?
furuknap: Just cuz the wee-thing looks... weird. Have tried several times to register. Something went wrong. And yes, that was the entire error message.
furuknap: Nah, I'll stick with BTCT. I get my stuff done there for the time being.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.019888 = 1.7899 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 387 @ 0.019888 = 7.6967 BTC [-]
furuknap: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/eff-will-accept-bitcoins-support-digital-liberty <- Guess that takes away Josh's argument that sending his bet to them is so difficult and political.
ThickAsThieves: i think they are working on weex soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.0199 = 1.791 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the stock art is pretty odd
ThickAsThieves: but i do like the bitfunder site
furuknap: What do you like about it?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.98 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: aesthetics mostly
blehg: it feels nice
ThickAsThieves: also the live orderbooks
furuknap: Ah. Any functionality they have that for example BTCT doesn't have?
blehg: I rub bitfunder on every morning
furuknap: That would be nice, yes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.98 = 5.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.98 = 11.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 250 @ 0.0194 = 4.85 BTC [+]
blehg: websocket on the order books is awesome, beats the hell out of btct's cached orders from yesterday showing up -- freaked me out a few times
blehg: but the option rewriting on bitfunder is pretty messy, and exercising options has info from the wrong options in the confirmation dialog -- hope they fix that
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1292 @ 0.002589 = 3.345 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the weex setup also allows bf to run much faster without bitcoind
furuknap: burnside has been working on the bitcoind issue. It's horribly slow still, though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00069683 = 4.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4277 @ 0.00069723 = 2.9821 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 616 @ 0.019888 = 12.251 BTC [-]
inhies: wtf does btctc use bitcoind for anyways?
inhies: i dont see a reason to have it that integrated.. like wtf depends on it that much?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 134 @ 0.019888 = 2.665 BTC [-]
furuknap: Wallet, I guess. Not sure. Trading seems extremely slow if you buy an order that targets multiple offers, though. Not really sure what's going on there.
ThickAsThieves: not sure either
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01949 = 1.3643 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
blehg: price going up too fast
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.02 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.02 = 2 BTC [+]
blehg: need to build buy support
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.99 = 5.97 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: first to 2
blehg: hah
blehg: Havelock doesn't have options, do they
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 220 @ 0.02 = 4.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 304 @ 0.02 = 6.08 BTC [+]
blehg: bummer
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.99 = 11.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.99 = 7.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0195 = 0.195 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.99 = 9.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.02 = 0.5 BTC [+]
parseval: Grats, Tat
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 111 @ 0.019625 = 2.1784 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.01998 = 0.979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02 = 0.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 62 @ 0.00259 = 0.1606 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 304 @ 0.0199 = 6.0496 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 144 @ 0.02 = 2.88 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: thx but its a blessing and a curse
ThickAsThieves: i still need to buy more :/
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01998 = 0.4196 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 157 @ 0.01999 = 3.1384 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 79 @ 0.00079 = 0.0624 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 500 @ 0.000799 = 0.3995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01998 = 0.1399 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: TAT ill sell some AM for around 2 if you want
ThickAsThieves: i have better offers atm
furuknap: Madness, I tell you. MADNESS!
ThickAsThieves: maybe call options?
furuknap: (someone follow up with that 300 quote)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01998 = 0.5594 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23333 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 28 @ 0.23499 = 6.5797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 114 @ 0.002785 = 0.3175 BTC [+]
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