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← 2013-05-11 | 2013-05-13 → ↓
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.239589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070921 = 3.0645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4579 @ 0.00070922 = 3.2475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 112 @ 0.00286001 = 0.3203 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.487 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0148 = 0.888 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000695 = 0.0014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070915 = 3.0642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3981 @ 0.00070922 = 2.8234 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.0148 = 0.3996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070882 = 3.0628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.0007088 = 7.2858 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01494499 = 0.3736 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01494499 = 0.0747 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.01494499 = 0.5978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.464999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070917 = 3.0643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 379 @ 0.00070922 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4995 = 2.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0007088 = 2.0555 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4741 = 2.9482 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070919 = 3.0644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11729 @ 0.00070922 = 8.3184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2970 @ 0.00070922 = 2.1064 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00070922 = 1.5957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2412 @ 0.00070922 = 1.7106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00071051 = 7.9577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2045 @ 0.00071051 = 1.453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2586 @ 0.00071123 = 1.8392 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3619 @ 0.00071193 = 2.5765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10438 @ 0.00070944 = 7.4051 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193 @ 0.0007088 = 0.1368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1928 @ 0.0007088 = 1.3666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070854 = 3.0616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070854 = 3.0616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 944 @ 0.00070853 = 0.6689 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.01494499 = 0.5231 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01451 = 0.1451 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0145 = 0.1305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071075 = 3.0712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8129 @ 0.00071108 = 5.7804 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.21 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.48 = 2.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.01475 = 0.3098 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 14 @ 0.01475 = 0.2065 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0147 = 1.029 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 140 @ 0.01465001 = 2.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 455 @ 0.01465 = 6.6658 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.014737 = 0.0589 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu thats interesting, the guy just pinged me
mircea_popescu: o you know him ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4994 BTC [+]
KRS1: i dont even think luke jr has -10
ThickAsThieves: [07:51] <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves pretty cool logo i say. <<< Thank you, sir!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.42570001 = 0.8514 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4257 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.42570001 = 2.1285 BTC [+]
Scrat: show logo TAT
error4733: ;;last see bugpowder
error4733: ;;last seen bugpowder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.2992 = 4.1888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4474 @ 0.00070853 = 3.17 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00070766 = 0.2661 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18167 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.181662 = 0.7266 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.181661 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1752 = 0.5256 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014737 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01494499 = 0.2242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3945 @ 0.00070766 = 2.7917 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1985 @ 0.00070766 = 1.4047 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C104T] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 114.11000, Best ask: 114.14999, Bid-ask spread: 0.03999, Last trade: 114.11000, 24 hour volume: 26149.79301925, 24 hour low: 112.40000, 24 hour high: 117.73495, 24 hour vwap: 114.64794
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.475514 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.475513 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.475513 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.475506 = 2.951 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.0146 = 0.2336 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 185 @ 0.01494499 = 2.7648 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.474301 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2371 @ 0.00071108 = 1.686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071146 = 3.0742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10258 @ 0.00071147 = 7.2983 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1855 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 2.4499 = 9.7996 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.014234 = 0.1281 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.477 BTC [+]
mjr___: hi all
mjr___: whats new
kakobrekla: 10 alt chains
mjr___: hehehe
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
mjr___: i explained skateboards to a reporter from financial times
mjr___: ;)
kakobrekla: sell all btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014739 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 8 @ 1.46 = 11.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 2.3797 = 11.8985 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.2422 = 2.4844 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.3797 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.477 = 2.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01466 = 0.733 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01465 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.496 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Jurov, has mircea_popescu processed withdrawals?
jurov: not yet
error4733: no way with 4 fingers !!
ThickAsThieves: I need to make dealz yo!
KRS1: like hotcakes
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.180081 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1753 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: sooo who dares?
mircea_popescu: withdrawals are unfashionable anyway
jurov: bitbet payouts too, seems
kakobrekla: on which planet
kakobrekla: blah wot is down
kakobrekla: just when you need it
jurov: ahh it's not resolved yet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071122 = 3.0732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2660 @ 0.00071147 = 1.8925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.498498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.175121 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1751 BTC [-]
wamatt: .close
Diablo-D3: !ticker
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
error4733: gribble is dead :/
error4733: ;;eightball gribble is dead ?
error4733: eightball is dead
jurov: in -otc there is altgribble and backupgribble.. but they're dead too
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4801 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: where the fuck did nanotube go
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.475 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;seen nanotube
mircea_popescu: poor gribs
jurov: ;;ticker
backupgribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 114.91000, Best ask: 115.05000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 114.91000, 24 hour volume: 25969.93487207, 24 hour low: 112.40000, 24 hour high: 117.47000, 24 hour vwap: 114.51241
jurov: okay
mircea_popescu: so 33:1 eh
benkay: that needs a list of known shills
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0147 = 0.0294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 98 @ 0.01469 = 1.4396 BTC [-]
error4733: thanks jurov
jurov: what for?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.16 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15997 BTC [-]
jurov: i am not aware that i made backupgribble manifest somehow
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.157 = 0.314 BTC [-]
benkay: wow, bitfury might actually know what they're doing
ThickAsThieves: or they are willing to pay 100btc to have you think so
jurov: are they doing an ipo somewhere?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00071137 = 6.6157 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: they have fairly sexy gfx tho
jurov: no mention of ASICs, only FPGA
jurov: but they seem to really have some expertise
kakobrekla: yeah i been in touch with him for over a year now
kakobrekla: a bunch of stuff is behind the scenes
benkay: wire that shit into your house
benkay: mint coins
benkay: heat home
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves or that. tho it's open for the taking if that's true
mircea_popescu: benkay i seriously think houses will be built with asic floor heating in 10-20 years
ThickAsThieves: but what about Floirida?
ThickAsThieves: Florida*
KRS1: T'sup I'm in Florida. Its still here.
KRS1: F'n hot today.
ThickAsThieves: looking forward to heated ASIC floors?
ThickAsThieves: maybe Florida gets ASIC solar panels instead
error4733: any idea where i can buy some avalon chip ? (small quantity)
KRS1: The racial makeup of the town is 96% Euro American
ThickAsThieves: error, there are many people selling chips on the forums
ThickAsThieves: EuroAmerican seems a pretty broad description
jurov: mircea_popescu: so we'll gonna change floor tiles every season?
error4733: solar panels to supply a 3D printer factory with miner sandwiched
mircea_popescu: why ? you don't have to keep it powered.
mircea_popescu: basically it will be like, if you heat your floor you can recoup 50% of elec cost via mining
ThickAsThieves: ASIC microwaves
jurov: they will be obsolete in a year
ThickAsThieves: overclocking for your overeating
mircea_popescu: there will be something like 1 trn sq feet of asic flooring
MJR_: i was wondering
mircea_popescu: doing whatever many yotta hashes
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4742 BTC [-]
MJR_: i figure that it would be possible with 3D printing to create a coin that must be broken open to read the private key
ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna hack your floors
mircea_popescu: jurov this relies on the theory that there's an equilibrium point
mircea_popescu: MJR_ this is actually a ghood idea.
ThickAsThieves: fortunecoinz
MJR_: it could print the private key on the inside of the coin
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only practical application for 3d printing i see
MJR_: i mean, you still have to trust that they didn't just copy it
mircea_popescu: make the process automated, put it all under plexiglass or w./e
mircea_popescu: and that's it
jurov: i wanted to do it with chocolate
MJR_: BUT, if automated, it would do it without you knowing the key at all
ThickAsThieves: chococoins
MJR_: lol
MJR_: chocolate would work too i suppose
MJR_: lol
ThickAsThieves: pewpewcoins
kakobrekla: here you go guys
kakobrekla: a photo of never seen in public
kakobrekla: fury board
error4733: MJR already done
MJR_: but yeah, if you put the source up, and have a way to monitor that you are running that program
kakobrekla: 300 mhash per chip
MJR_: people could conceivably have more trust
kakobrekla: kako delivers.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla of ?
error4733: insert a private key in a block of plastique
error4733: need to be broken to reddem
MJR_: ah cool
ThickAsThieves: how many hashes per board?
MJR_: where can you get?
ThickAsThieves: that's a lotta caps
error4733: cant find the link, let me check a gain
kakobrekla: you cant get it anymore
MJR_: error4733 thanks
kakobrekla: 10 chips at 300 mhash each
ThickAsThieves: i wanna see a tube board
kakobrekla: per board
MJR_: kakobrekla, our virtex 6 might get 1.2-1.5 GH
ThickAsThieves: for warmer sound
kakobrekla: MJR_ fpga is dead
MJR_: so far as i've seen, most people only got 600 mhs
MJR_: kakobrekla, of course
MJR_: but designing better chips isn't
kakobrekla: anyway these were sold last year
MJR_: and also, it's only dead if you have to pay for equipment or electricity
kakobrekla: in october or so
kakobrekla: when bfl announced
benkay: in what scenarios does one get away without paying for equipment or electricity, MJR?
kakobrekla: eh planned to deliver
ThickAsThieves: BFL figured it out
kakobrekla: not announced
MJR_: check out buttonwood.btcshares.com
ThickAsThieves: they didnt have to pay for shit
MJR_: benkay, someone else pays for it
MJR_: obviously
MJR_: for example: my apt has electricity included
MJR_: anyways, i got geolocate up on buttonwood
MJR_: still working on user accounts
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+]
MJR_: i just did it to show that it could be done
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+]
MJR_: which you all know, but some other people didn't
benkay: maximo i heart this project mega
MJR_: which project?
MJR_: buttonwood
benkay: buttonwood
MJR_: you are welcome to contribute on github
MJR_: <----rank amateur
error4733: next is tmrw ?
MJR_: yes
MJR_: tmrw we have second live exchange
benkay: i may, but i'm a bit slammed
MJR_: everyone else is invited too
error4733: give me 400box i'll take the plane to trade 1 or 2btc :)
MJR_: or if you just want to point me in the right direction
MJR_: little trouble on user accounts
MJR_: $200
MJR_: nice
MJR_: i need to make it so that each user 1. Displays their username, and the name field becomes not editable
benkay: is there some sort of radius control?
MJR_: 2. can only update/cancel their own orders
benkay: AUTH TO WOT
MJR_: not yet
kakobrekla: wot is down
MJR_: benkay, and yes, i plan on integrating with WoT eventually
MJR_: no radius control yet
MJR_: but soon, that will be added
benkay: the super resilient pgp contract economy in action
MJR_: to show whether orders are actionable or not
benkay: awesome man
MJR_: why thanks
MJR_: i wish i was better programmer
MJR_: so it'd be done already
MJR_: it is super easy
MJR_: i just don't know all the stuff yet
benkay: learn all of the things
MJR_: you'll notice that you can log in with facebook and twitter or create a local account
MJR_: google doesn't work yet
benkay: meh
benkay: wot wot wot
MJR_: i would also like profile pics, ability to alert user that you wish to trade, integrated btc address, maybe coinapult for easier transfer
MJR_: and in app chat
benkay: you got a vision
benkay: run with it
MJR_: yeah
MJR_: once it is up and running version 1
MJR_: i can offer it out to other communities
benkay: might be worth your time to put up some issues
MJR_: and hopefully grass root street level exchanges pop up
MJR_: issues?
MJR_: on github?
benkay: yeah github's feature/bug/whatever tracker
MJR_: i will
MJR_: good idea
MJR_: this is my first time really using github
benkay: now don't expect me to start making prs or anything
MJR_: to manage a project
MJR_: lol
MJR_: oh yeah, i also need to create a "prints/last" stream of data
MJR_: lots to be done
benkay: yup
MJR_: can someone test the gps? it seems to work on my phone
benkay: a link to repository on homepage would also do ya good
benkay: working for me
MJR_: good idea
MJR_: benkay, awesome!!!!
benkay: now you know where i live dude
benkay: thanks googs.
MJR_: lol
MJR_: i am not monitoriing that info
MJR_: now
benkay: someone is tho
benkay: i gave up on privacy a loooong time ago
MJR_: its only in your browser at the moment
benkay: trivially overcome
MJR_: i can add that
MJR_: i haven't added it yet
MJR_: but i will need to in order to change order status
MJR_: of course
MJR_: just saying right now, it is just Proof of Concept
MJR_: only alerts you to your location
MJR_: which is not very useful
MJR_: gonna try to change it to a button
Scrat: the scariest of all is the google skyhook thingy
Scrat: the one that pinpoints your location based on nearby wifi SSIDs
MJR_: lol yeah
benkay: give up
Scrat: chrome has it
error4733: yep ! google was sued in my country for that
Scrat: off by default though
benkay: i can figure out pretty much who you are just from the cookies you carry when you hit a page i control
benkay: blows my mind that all of these crm companies and lead management companies don't do that automatically
benkay: 'hey sendgrid, will you automatically populate my lead information with this api?'
benkay: 'wat'
benkay: >.<
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1855 = 0.371 BTC [+]
Framedragger: there were some tales circulating around HN about that, actually - wherein certain services offer websites to participate in mass user data agglomeration - so that when a user fills up a form on one website, (1) that form data can be autofilled on other, seemingly unrelated websites (via cookies); and (2) when the same user enters the same / uniquely identifiable data in another website even using another computer etc., that other website
Framedragger: basically matching identities by formdata entered on various websites
KRS1: Where has Bowjob been?
Framedragger: kinda scary actually.
Scrat: Framedragger: don't think that's possible
Framedragger: Scrat, which part is not possible?
Scrat: cookies or autofill spanning across different domains
Framedragger: it's only possible for websites already participating in the agglomeration network
Scrat: ah ok then
Scrat: sort of like the facebook like JS
Framedragger: oh - in regards to cookies - yeah it's not that simple i suppose, still need a third party
MJR_: so...weird
MJR_: it autochanges my link to point at my own site
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.109 = 1.09 BTC [-]
MJR_: k
MJR_: i added link to github
MJR_: geolocate works
MJR_: though is not implemented properly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4965 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
KRS1: ;;seen bowjob
backupgribble: bowjob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 11 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <bowjob> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161230.msg1703283#new
KRS1: 6 weeks
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.109 = 0.981 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen gribble
backupgribble: I have not seen gribble.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.499297 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.499297 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.499298 = 4.4979 BTC [+]
MJR_: for some reason i can't get this button to work
benkay: ;;seen nanotube
backupgribble: nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <nanotube> well, if there are no mutually trusted third parties, i guess this is a non-starter.
benkay: krs1 nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-analysis 22 minutes and 34 seconds ago: <nanotube> ;;next
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.014739 = 0.2063 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.014939 = 0.0448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 1.499298 = 23.9888 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.4993 = 4.4979 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 1.4999 = 20.9986 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0147 = 1.47 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 14 @ 0.000695 = 0.0097 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0148 = 0.0444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00070956 = 3.6188 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.16 = 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.499901 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49997 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.49997 = 7.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.49998 = 19.4997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.01492999 = 0.5673 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01488 = 0.0446 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.01849 = 0.037 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2752 = 1.1008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00070924 = 7.6243 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4979 @ 0.00070809 = 3.5256 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: matthew wright guy has a point eh.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01488 = 0.1786 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01489 = 0.1489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49998 BTC [+]
newmorpheus007: who want to get together and make a anonymous exchange for crytocurrency?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 140 @ 0.003189 = 0.4465 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.49999 = 16.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 38 @ 1.49999 = 56.9996 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: newmorpheus007 who are you.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49999 BTC [+]
benkay: man
benkay: boycott something useful
benkay: like rare earths extraction
jurov: benkay what? i don't follow
benkay: mp posted a link earlier
jurov: yes, but it refuses to load
benkay: sun times probably blacklisted europe or something hilarious
benkay: vtunnel.com?
MJR_: benkay, check it out now
jurov: okay it works.. (not vtunnel but other thing i'm using for trilema)
MJR_: getting better
MJR_: no null fields in price and size
MJR_: location button
MJR_: links to github and blog
MJR_: all i need now is to get user_accounts working
MJR_: and it will be ready to go for monday (rough but functional)
MJR_: so what do you think benkay?
MJR_: i should commit this now
jurov: now i read it... and still don't see how rare earths extraction would be different
benkay: looks great maximo
jurov: if peeps, say, boycotted TV or like, that could cause something to happen
benkay: except that i can delete others orders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070833 = 3.0607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6490 @ 0.00070809 = 4.5955 BTC [-]
benkay: jurov, i wasn't saying that it would be effective, just that i might be able to get behind it
benkay: i am extremely tired of gender and sexuality politics
benkay: rub your shit on whatever feels good, kids
benkay: let's all grow up about bodies
jurov: it's not so much about bodies, rather about religion
benkay: yeah. still talking about that grow the fuck up shit.
jurov: today i happened to read catholic newspaper my parents keep buying
kakobrekla: by accident?
benkay: I gather your brain didn't melt and pour out of your ears?
jurov: the bubble reality it tries to create... made me cringe
mircea_popescu: benkay o, the forum is about to blow with that shit.
jurov: my brain is used to it, i was raised as catholic.. but i forgot somewhat
mircea_popescu: the girl is expertly bringing the recent lefty driftwood to boiling point
benkay: link?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01489 = 0.0745 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im not even sure, a lot of stuff about hate and priviledge and whatnot
mircea_popescu: fallout from that guy's racist failure.
benkay: ho ho
benkay: the only people who care about privilege have none
mircea_popescu: priviledge = that guy worked while i dicked about, now he has shit
benkay: now now that's a vast oversimplification
benkay: that guy inherited capital which made his ventures a little more easily pulled off
benkay: or
mircea_popescu: yeah. so ?
benkay: that dude's a dude and therefore it's easier for him to build and run a company than me, a woman
benkay: or
mircea_popescu: he inherited it from his daddy, who worked.
benkay: the objected-to point is that people get bonuses for not working
MJR_: as long as someone worked at some point i guess
mircea_popescu: this is what's claimed.
mircea_popescu: but in fact it works as an excuse for not working.
benkay: different story
benkay: must be evaluated on a case by case basis
mircea_popescu: noboduy's business on a case by case basis.
mircea_popescu: it can only be evaluated on a statistical basis.
benkay: haha
benkay: well statistically people are lazy and dumb
mircea_popescu: exactly.
benkay: but we *can* evaluate their claims without dipping into ad-hominems
benkay: but I don't care!
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
benkay: because the world is constructed of power structures that were here before you and I and will be here after you and i
benkay: some are born into power
benkay: some fight their way to it
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 8.2 / 101.14
backupgribble: 0.0810757366027
benkay: and most are trampled under foot
mircea_popescu: benkay and the problem with this is ?
benkay: none!
mircea_popescu: ok then i'm not sure what we're arguing anymore lol
benkay: I didn't think we were arguing
benkay: i'm just complaining about liberals
mircea_popescu: well... they are kinda fun tbh.
mircea_popescu: there's this fallacious expectation that liberal and innovation go together
benkay: once they start exposing their kinks
mircea_popescu: and so therefore they expect bitcoin to be friendly.
mircea_popescu: best internet comedy setup in the history of comedy
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.184898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49999 BTC [+]
benkay: except that it consumes bandwidth that should go towards building shit
benkay: not that anyone cares what the kid thinks
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
benkay: jurov: watching PR's posts alone will be gold. thanks for the link/suggestion :)
mircea_popescu: culture, benkay. it's a waste from a strict civilisational pov
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the content of books endures longer than the shape of buildings.
MJR_: nice, ok now it is working correctly, as far as validating inputs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 39 @ 0.01492999 = 0.5823 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01492999 BTC [+]
benkay: what's the strict civilizational pov?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 150 @ 0.105 = 15.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1085 = 0.217 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: productivity. tons of steel per capital
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.107999 BTC [-]
taub_: oh mircea_popescu btw, pump and dump doesnt always happen by the people who own the company
taub_: spammers just find a penny stock and promote it
mircea_popescu: taub_ this is true, but still...
taub_: would be too obvious if they owned it
mircea_popescu: there;s most oftenly SOME relation.
benkay: mircea_popescu zero consession to hedonics?
benkay: concession*
mircea_popescu: <benkay> except that it consumes bandwidth that should go towards building shit <<
benkay: hurr durr
benkay: but i've spent so much time building shit
benkay: and now i want to experience some fun
benkay: if no hedonics exist, i'm basically limited to finding new holes for my dick
benkay: which, great, but there's more to life
benkay: I don't need immersive 3d environments or whatever
benkay: there's a balance there, right?
benkay: we want to encourage enough hedonic development to inspire people to take over the world so they can experience crazy fun stuff
benkay: but also keep it expensive enough that it's actually a treat
benkay: I don't really know where I'm going with this, other than there's gotta be a coupling factor between how much energy to put into plays and books and how much to put into building useful shit.
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [+]
benkay: huh
benkay: but because plays are easy to write relative to building a business, and the fame rewards are so outsize, that would explain the misallocation
benkay: *might* explain the misallocation.
mircea_popescu: this is not true.
mircea_popescu: billions of businesses have been built, a good play has not been written
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.184868 = 0.5546 BTC [-]
benkay: all plays are bad?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00304 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: just because the us has finally given up after two cventuries of trying to build a culture
mircea_popescu: does not mean "it's easy"
mircea_popescu: quite the opposite.
benkay: oh oh
benkay: sorry, let me rephrase
mircea_popescu: the entire population of the united states has not yet produced a pasible play.
benkay: sure, sure
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it has built some decent businesses.
mircea_popescu: (tho i guess cat on a hot tin roof may make a claim there)
b0n1: it seems like someone is trying to keep the prices constant atm
benkay: but they produce cultural things they themselves enjoy, and the fame that accrues to the individuals involved is a draw for the other "playwrights"
b0n1: you often see big walls appearing when prices move too much and they disappear suddenly
benkay: and what I meant by 'writing a play is easy' is literally that putting words on paper is a trivial thing for a monkey who's been taught english to accomplish.
mircea_popescu: b0n1 funny how that works huh.
mircea_popescu: benkay words on paper doth not a play make.
benkay: come on man, don't deliberately misunderstand me
mircea_popescu: and for that matter the fact that some guy walks on two legs doth not a human make, either.
benkay: some of those tomes become popular by no virtue of their writers
mircea_popescu: nono! it's an important point.
jurov: benkay i seem to "deliberately misunderstand" too...
b0n1: yaeh mircea_popescu its a bit sad because it shows how strong manipulative the market is
benkay: i'm not claiming those works are any good
mircea_popescu: b0n1 not really. it just shows how "speculation" doesn't work in btc.
benkay: but that they are successful by some metric
benkay: and therefore attract a huge amount of what could otherwise be productive energy
mircea_popescu: do they ?
jurov: rly, memes distract productive energy?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070841 = 3.061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9131 @ 0.00070809 = 6.4656 BTC [-]
b0n1: I dont understand why the big influencers are not trying to push the prices and lock them afterwards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5548 @ 0.00070765 = 3.926 BTC [-]
benkay: what are you two objecting to? that the energy could be deployed in a useful way? or that any energy is diverted?
mircea_popescu: benkay i object to the entire construction.
mircea_popescu: it sounds to me like "if you shat less you could cum more"
b0n1: why do they lock it so low?
benkay: if fewer monkeys wasted their lives writing crap they could staff factories
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu do you have evidence that shows otherwise
jurov: benkay, whole eastern european communism was anti-hedonistic and purported to maximize usage of "productive energy"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol notrly
jurov: we see how i ended
mircea_popescu: indeed, jurov has a point there.
mircea_popescu: b0n1 to punish noobs who think bitcoin is a get rich scheme and they can ride the bandwagon.
benkay: i thought easter european communism was a front to enrich a small number of people
benkay: all of the propaganda was just...propaganda.
jurov: benkay, that was how it ended
jurov: but in 50-60's everyone actually believed it
benkay: that's terrifying.
mircea_popescu: every instance of communism starts out as an attempt to implement the intellectualy bankrupt "ideas" of the libertards
mircea_popescu: and ends up in a horror, which then the libertarda claim is distinct from "their ideal"
mircea_popescu: and so they want to try it again
b0n1: mircea_popescu, that doesnt make sence. The global players would profit most from pushing prices
mircea_popescu: this is the essence of TARD in libertard.
mircea_popescu: b0n1 the fact that you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make senSe.
mircea_popescu: and conceivably if you were in a position to know what rich people benefited most from, you'd be rich yourself already
jurov: except that this kind of communism was very far from "liber"... it was conceived to go through dictatorship of proletariate
jurov: on the premise that if workers rule, economyu will soar
jurov: and society will solve all its problems
mircea_popescu: this is the idea of the liberal left, yes.
mircea_popescu: that "privilege" is bad and that the more people "rule" the better.
mircea_popescu: except all this does is replace the proper elite with a failed elite.
jurov: yes
benkay: this conversation puts the past half-century of american history in interesting perspective
benkay: deprive the proles of education, so that they demand less entertainment, so that the true elites can work them harder for less pay
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00304 = 0.0061 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: certainly the smartphone is a marvel of cheap token replacement of circus.
mircea_popescu: it never was this cost effective.
benkay: well
benkay: they take on the debt for the toys themselves
benkay: it's hidden very well
mircea_popescu: most jobs will issue you one
benkay: i'm going to steal that idea, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: go ahead.
benkay: most americans don't have jobs that would issue them anything
mircea_popescu: true, which is why i phrased it the way i did :D
mjr___: so...anyone know how to find really accurate gps info?
mjr___: i want to find a parks boundaries...
mircea_popescu: as a simple heuristic, the line between welfare and employment can be drawn right there : does it come with free smartphone ?
mircea_popescu: if not, disguised unemployment.
mircea_popescu: mjr___ wouldn't it be better to solve a softer problem ? ie, take a guess of the park size and do x radius from center ?
KRS1: What ever happened to Bowjob? Is he in the military or something
benkay: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: not like including people on the outskirts is a mission failure
mircea_popescu: otherwise the edge problem is a really tough one.
jurov: mjr___ i heard they have cities built by grid in murica
mjr___: mircea_popescu: yeah thats another way to do it
mjr___: jurov: they do!
jurov: to dispose of exactly such problems
mjr___: which is why i'm really curious why i can't find the exact boundaries of the park
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I didn't get a free smartphone :(
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.49999 = 3 BTC [+]
mjr___: i was going to add in some fuzziness to the edges anyway
mircea_popescu: copumpkin so now you know.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.49999 = 16.4999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also xmas.
copumpkin: I need to advance my career past "janitor"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
copumpkin: like chief janitor or something
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.5 = 15 BTC [+]
KRS1: Chef Janitor has a nice ring to it. Cook and Clean.
benkay: CJO
benkay: now you u has startup title
copumpkin: chief custodial officer
mjr___: ah well, some progress made
copumpkin: I'll petition for a raise tomorrow
benkay: ;;seen bowjob
backupgribble: bowjob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 1 minute, and 0 seconds ago: <bowjob> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161230.msg1703283#new
mjr___: once user accounts work correctly it'll be functional enough to use tomorrow
jurov: you have to go through Senior Janitor first, are you there alreadY?
mjr___: so i have 24 hours lol
benkay: don't stop get it get it mjr
copumpkin: jurov: nope :(
KRS1: "There's always something stewing in the toilet at Chef Janitor's Restaurant"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.5 = 9 BTC [+]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: how'd you find a pic of me?
mircea_popescu: i have people working for me
mircea_popescu: incidentally this was fred wilson's q, "how come you know so much about me". teh lol.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5 = 3 BTC [+]
jurov: haha his slovak wikipedia entry is much more succinct and funny
KRS1: whats going to happen when the difficulty skyrockets from the avalon chips
jurov: KRS1, if you fail to invest into difficulty futures... then pretty nothing
benkay: mjr_ you gotta stick the footer text in some different frontend bag
benkay: orders are looming over it
benkay: er
benkay: bids and asks
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01489 = 0.4169 BTC [+]
KRS1: HAH didnt even know there were futures for that
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.014939 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.014939 = 1.0905 BTC [+]
KRS1: you dont mean calls/puts do u?
KRS1: or binary options
jurov: and X.IDIFF.* on MPEx
will_smith2: where do i find prostitutes?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5 = 3 BTC [+]
jurov: will_smith2: male or female?
will_smith2: female
will_smith2: i can go to bucharest or somewhere like this
will_smith2: for bitches
jurov: then go to bucharest, problem solved.
will_smith2: can someone make high quality bitch for my penis
jurov: will_smith2: for that prolly ask hardware nerds in #bitcoin-mining instead
will_smith2: mircea polpesurt can you find me a bitch
mircea_popescu: what's a polpesurt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2994 BTC [+]
will_smith2: sorry i do your name wrong
deadweasel: sounds dirty
benkay: sounds better as popelsurt
benkay: poppysuit?
benkay: has a nice heroin ring to it...
will_smith2: please, i hear you are a bitch master. I want some nice quality one
jurov: will_smith2, but he asks 30BTC admission.
will_smith2: no this is too much, even angel jolie has not vagina worth this much
mircea_popescu: poppysuit hmm
jurov: you'll need some passthrough then
will_smith2: i want good value for money bitches
deadweasel: we all want good value for money bitches
mircea_popescu: yes bitches
will_smith2: we can make a secret password please
will_smith2: secret password ballbag287
benkay: secret password instead purpleskew
mircea_popescu: you need to bring me a shrubbery.
will_smith2: and then i get nice value
will_smith2: no problem
will_smith2: i will find free one on street for you
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
jurov: btw what are you smoking? i wanna some
will_smith2: not shrubbery
will_smith2: some can have toxic smoke mates
kakobrekla: but raspberry
will_smith2: so listen mirceal m8s, do you fix me some bitches? secret password
mircea_popescu: actually i got myselfd a ribizsli bush
mircea_popescu: whatever you call it in english mmmm
mircea_popescu: black currants
benkay: ladles and jellyspoons, bitcoin-assets on a sunday.
will_smith2: black currants are nice
will_smith2: you can make some nice pie with it
will_smith2: i live england now
mircea_popescu: bitches make pie for my good value money
will_smith2: doesn't make sense m8s
will_smith2: so where do i get prostitutes
kakobrekla: #bitcoin-trollbox
kakobrekla: there
will_smith2: i can pay no more than £3000 english
will_smith2: but i want cheaper preferance
mjr___: well guys
will_smith2: but still high quality like keri sable but nice face
mjr___: have a good day\
jurov: this isn't even trollbox material... rather #bitcoin-sphincter
mjr___: hopefully tomorrow the site will be working well
mjr___: LOL
mjr___: i think my site needs a trollbox
mjr___: (i will be adding chat features into it)
kakobrekla: everyone needs a trollbox
kakobrekla: even trollbox
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5 = 3 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: try the silkroad
will_smith2: i met some bitch from reddit, but her boyfriend was there all the time, and she was boring
will_smith2: she just lie there
will_smith2: and it costs almost £1500
mircea_popescu: wtf is this quality nao ?!
will_smith2: like her, but nice face
KRS1: Yeh seriously though if I come to Romania I can find hawt womens to be with me for good price? There are beautiful womens in there.
will_smith2: she should be easy to sex
mjr___: anyway
mjr___: mircea_popescu: i think it may be harder to define a circular radius than it would be a rectangle
will_smith2: so i am ready
will_smith2: i asked people on craigslist and reddit
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.5 = 7.5 BTC [+]
will_smith2: but it is hard to buy one
mircea_popescu: mjr___ so do arbitrary rectangle
mircea_popescu: which technically is a sort of a circle :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
will_smith2: listen i dunno about shapes
will_smith2: but please, vagina.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
MJR_: mircea_popescu, lol yes, i guess i will do that
MJR_: i was thinking of empirical measurements
MJR_: which could be fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.426 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.42550008 = 1.2765 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.42550008 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4255 = 2.553 BTC [-]
will_smith2: i go there
will_smith2: but i do not like them
will_smith2: has anyone been onto reddit bitcoin for girls? i met one in england from l4r, but it wasn't good
error4733: the last 10 days on altcoinland : http://i.imgur.com/IHm264K.jpg
kakobrekla: nice chart
kakobrekla: is he comming to the conf?
kakobrekla: well at least ppl learnd to quote
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.3499 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Sorry that the conference was busted big time. I took all precautions available to me, but considerable force was used against me. If anyone related to the matters currently unfolding is threatened with physical harm, I am able to cede the control of a necessary number of bitcoins to redeem him/her.
mircea_popescu: waitwhat ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
KRS-1: According to the Elliot Wave Principle, does anyone agree that we may be between wave 3 and 5 of the second cycle?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
jurov: skip to last third, but whole stuff is interesting
mircea_popescu: jurov summary ?
jurov: "It is not my task to assess where silver has been obtained," Pietilä says.
error4733: that what happend when you post picture with a box of cash, tell ppl you buy&sell gold, silver bitcoin in a hotel room
jurov: plus that he found his identity in some foodist hipster circle
error4733: i dunno what happen but if it's not that bad, is a good warning
mircea_popescu: error4733 but they were going to weigh the bills ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2336 @ 0.00070797 = 1.6538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6864 @ 0.00070765 = 4.8573 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.014939 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
ezdiy: jurov: sounds like e-gold kind of guy to me
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 184 @ 0.000967 = 0.1779 BTC [-]
ezdiy: high hopes, fake p metal reserves
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.51 = 15.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01489 = 0.2234 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01488 = 0.4166 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.014501 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0145 = 0.0725 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01444 = 0.2166 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5099 BTC [-]
dub: loldrama
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.014439 = 0.1011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.51 = 13.59 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yes, you can see by the price, a buck up.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.014439 = 0.0722 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.014939 = 0.1494 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5099 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.426 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 1.5 = 22.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4952 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.49501 = 10.4651 BTC [-]
benkay: great find jurov
benkay: so much crazy in dat
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.014939 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 140 @ 0.01491999 = 2.0888 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 360 @ 0.01492 = 5.3712 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <ezdiy> high hopes, fake p metal reserves << kinda.
mircea_popescu: moar lulz, allow me :
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.51 = 3.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 90 @ 0.014939 = 1.3445 BTC [+]
benkay: she's getting better
mircea_popescu: Since the stern art of poetry calls for words, I, morose, deaf, and balding ambassador of a more or less insignificant nation that's stuck in this super power, wishing to spare my old brain, put on clothes – all by myself – and head for the main street: for the evening paper.
mircea_popescu: pity the russian masters aren't more read in the us.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.014939 = 1.0905 BTC [+]
KRS-1: Would anyone know why chanserv took over #bitcoin-anal
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.014939 = 0.1345 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.014987 = 0.7494 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.014988 = 0.7194 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01499 = 0.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01499 = 2.998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.014999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.015 = 0.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.51 = 19.63 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.161 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.157 = 0.314 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.51 = 3.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.01512 = 0.4838 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 87 @ 0.01492 = 1.298 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.51 = 10.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5389 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5389 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.54 = 4.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.000967 = 0.0048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5389 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.5 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.5 = 9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01505 = 0.0301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 980 @ 0.01471 = 14.4158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01470001 = 0.294 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01505 = 0.0301 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.5399 = 6.1596 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.54 = 3.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3469 @ 0.00070765 = 2.4548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 431 @ 0.00070666 = 0.3046 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.5395 = 7.6975 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: come to papa
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.510001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.54 = 6.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.000968 = 0.0484 BTC [+]
Uglux: 1.5 wow
ThickAsThieves: still selling shares Uglux?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.42 = 4.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01505 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2994 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01505 = 0.1656 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: 130 orders queued up for AM blades that aren't for sale
ThickAsThieves: I guess theyre gonna pm Friedcat
ThickAsThieves: to see if he can fill the orders
ThickAsThieves: he should sat, sure, for an extra 10btc ea
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7091 @ 0.00070797 = 5.0202 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.549399 = 4.6482 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.484 = 2.968 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.481 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.481 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.480234 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.478003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.469701 = 8.8182 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
backupgribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 52 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <smickles> ;;seen smickles
thestringpuller: ;;seen mircea_popescu
backupgribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 minutes and 5 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> lol
thestringpuller: mr. popescu
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.469701 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.4697 = 4.4091 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: is smickles dead?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070908 = 3.0639 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4256 = 1.2768 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: I've got O.USD.C143T up for sale on MPEX if anyone is interested, 0.11 ea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00070923 = 6.5958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00070956 = 1.4191 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1089 = 0.4356 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01491 = 0.0746 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00070908 = 4.4672 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: what are ripples worth these days, someone is soliciting me to sell mine
copumpkin: err, 0
copumpkin: give them to me
error4733: 10K for 1btc
error4733: sold the 40k giveaway @ 8K = 5btc haha best giveaway ever
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.544798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.544799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 1.5448 = 35.5304 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 85 @ 0.01495 = 1.2708 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00070908 = 0.6233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4609 @ 0.00070837 = 3.2649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212 @ 0.00070667 = 0.1498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 11 @ 2.2301 = 24.5311 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01495 = 0.2243 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.0148 = 0.222 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01476 = 0.9594 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2994 = 0.5988 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4109 @ 0.00070667 = 2.9037 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11287 @ 0.00070666 = 7.9761 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01471 = 0.7355 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01505 = 0.1656 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01505 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01505 = 0.3763 BTC [+]
Tritonio_: has anyone used colored coins to sell equity or anything like that?
ezdiy: Tritonio_: its way too alpha to be used for srs biz
ezdiy: mps point are somewhat weak, if his trade ledger is not public, though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.23 BTC [-]
Tritonio_: As an answer to some of mircea_popescu problems in the article: You could still have centralized exchanges. The difference would be that you can take you assets anytime out of the exchange and move them to another one to trade them there. That solves the blockchain spamming, the delays, the easy of use issues.
benkay: the ecosystem around 'em ain't there yet
benkay: but they're a bril idea
mircea_popescu: this is in fact already resolved.
ezdiy: Tritonio_: no point arguing that
mircea_popescu: you make a mpex contract and PTs.
Tritonio_: What's PTs?
ezdiy: pass throughs
benkay: it might be good for equity stakes to be less-than-instantly liquid
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people feel the overpowering need to recreate poor solutions for solved problems
mircea_popescu: other than everyone's young and a coder.
benkay: but at that point just sign some papers
ezdiy: in that ricardian contracts are ok for centralized exchanges
benkay: well duh
ezdiy: decentralized is kinda way too new
benkay: super too new
benkay: we can try it in a decade or three
ezdiy: nah, implementations are already there
benkay: but honestly why bother?
mircea_popescu: how about a decade or three after citizen dentistry becomes the norm.
ezdiy: but verification it will scale, wont suddenly fall apart etc is not
mircea_popescu: finance is not a matter of tech or platform.
benkay: you gotta gain the trust of people somehow to legitimate your biz-mod
mircea_popescu: finance is a matter of having the fucking people competent in finance.
benkay: exchanges are a good way to do that
benkay: it's be a neat thing for a bunch of nerds who own shares in an REIT to pass them around
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: people who are clueless about finance are called 'liquidity' though :)
mircea_popescu: ezdiy notrly.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is for some reason a widely held mistaken belief. people who are clueless are called "idiot with a power tool"
mircea_popescu: they wreck things.
benkay: colored coins might be a good way to keep exchanges honest when trading assets between the
benkay: themselves*
benkay: and stock in these companies needs some sort of owner-controllable features
ezdiy: benkay: well, duh
ezdiy: but once again, its huge gamechanger
benkay: i can't ask MP to send me my S.DICE shares, I don't think
ezdiy: because exchanges are no longer in power
mircea_popescu: what do you mean benkay ?
ezdiy: only market indexes of individual colors are
benkay: mircea
benkay: will you send me my s.dice shares?
mircea_popescu: did you buy some from me ? or ?
benkay: my theoretical shares
ThickAsThieves: you already have them
benkay: under my name, on mp's exchange
mircea_popescu: what, in an applecart ?
ThickAsThieves: only mp can honor them anyway
ezdiy: dont bother benkay :)
benkay: i was thinking a symbol representing them, cryptographically signed to me
benkay: but sure fedex works
benkay: inorite?
benkay: totally sufficient proof to me that i own a stake in a publicly traded company.
mircea_popescu: i mean... wtf. this is so obvious ?
benkay: i buy stock in pepsi
benkay: jump through a million hoops
benkay: can have actual certificate
ezdiy: its same here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.1299 = 6.3897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.0017 = 0.17 BTC [-]
ezdiy: you can bug the actual owner who have them on mpex, whoever that may be
ezdiy: and at certain point bug friedcat to change his db
ezdiy: million hoops
ezdiy: not transparent
ezdiy: again, if you confront mp with that, youre stupid and dont understand markets etc
ezdiy: :)
benkay: what do I get when we're all satisfied that the shares are in my posession?
mircea_popescu: i completely fail to understand what you're after here
mircea_popescu: the problem is absolutely and completely solved and you're like... hitting yourself in the head with the solution.
benkay: what do you claim is the MPEx equivalent to the printed piece of bs i get from pepsi?
ThickAsThieves: he wants a share that is independent of mpex yet honored
ezdiy: benkay: the ricardian ledger is actual proof of ownership though
mircea_popescu: benkay your stat
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, a signed push receipt to some designated acct.
mircea_popescu: this is in numerous ways better than the p2p ledger thing.
ezdiy: benkay: but the vendor lockin and hoops will be always there, not just on mpex
ezdiy: its same everywhere
mircea_popescu: look, if there's enough people like you you can actually make a special mpex account,
mircea_popescu: anyone who wants pushes you shares
mircea_popescu: and you issue them paper certificates
mircea_popescu: via fedex.
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.
ezdiy: lol
benkay: haha
mircea_popescu: i mean srsly. it's all there.
benkay: i don't want paper though, i want a cryptotoken I can send to someone else
benkay: but w/e
benkay: what i want doesn't matter
ThickAsThieves: not to be a turd, but mpex has shown in the past that it does not provide actual receipts of purchase, only confirmations of purchase orders
mircea_popescu: okay, YOUR PUSH RECEIPT
mircea_popescu: jesus god
ezdiy: ThickAsThieves: are other exchanges any bether?
ThickAsThieves: (the bugpowder Puts incident)
ezdiy: ThickAsThieves: they just pt each other
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, between (mpex, nasdaq) it's nasdaq that most recently rolled over trades.
ezdiy: i think mp is the only one bothering with actual signed proof of purchase, on bitfunder its like row in a database which is much worse
ThickAsThieves: i'm not saying anyone else is better
ThickAsThieves: just reminding that there are caveats
ezdiy: but
ezdiy: its true you dont directly the shares
ezdiy: *directly own
benkay: market mechanics around p2p exchanges are going to be silly and decades away if ever extant
mircea_popescu: you don't "directly" own any sharesd in the entire history of equities
ThickAsThieves: i agree that the state of proof of ownership on other exchanges is certainly questionable
ezdiy: doing it different way would be too burdensome on issuers
jborkl_: you are going to give mp a stroke
ezdiy: which is why exchanges act as proxy
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ they're on that path fo sho.
benkay: oh that's a cool claim, what do you mean by that mp?
jborkl_: you can do anything you want with the fucking receipt.it is your certificate
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: own, as in directly interact with issuers regarding equity ownership.
ThickAsThieves: except when it isnt
mircea_popescu: benkay specifically what it says on the box. a share is NOT real estate.
mircea_popescu: you don't "directly" own it
Tritonio_: is this page trusted: http://www.bitcoinx.org/ ?
ezdiy: (sorry if my clarifications of my inaccurate statements are driving you crazy)
mircea_popescu: for that matter you don't have alodial title on your real estate, either, it's fee simple
Tritonio_: I can't find anything about it on bitcointalk.
mircea_popescu: Tritonio_ unheard of afaik.
benkay: it's run by the bitcoinx guys
ThickAsThieves: I forget, does SDICE stock give you a piece of teh company or just profits?
benkay: gonna give you a virus tho
ezdiy: lol
ezdiy: its bitcoinx.com lol
ezdiy: :)
ThickAsThieves: as in, if Erik sold the company, is the money split out to all shareholders?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes
ThickAsThieves: i do think mp runs the most secure and verifiable exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01471 = 0.1177 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 34 @ 0.0147 = 0.4998 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 74 @ 0.01465002 = 1.0841 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.01465001 = 0.6007 BTC [-]
ezdiy: Tritonio_: bitcoinx is super alpha stage, no fucking clue why are they so aggresively pushing it :(
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01505 = 0.5569 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but i dont mind tryng to poke holes in it either ;)
mircea_popescu: well me either, that's not the issue at all
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519999 BTC [-]
benkay: how would I go about sending some shares to my kid, someday when accounts are ludicrously expensive?
Tritonio_: ezdiy, I"m trying to find the latest client that supports colored coins. I'll grab it from the forum instead just to be safe...
mircea_popescu: benkay broker ?
benkay: yeah
jborkl_: you can use mpex as a payment portal to other members. a instant exchange with PUSH. the possibilites are numerous
benkay: that is my option, innit?
mircea_popescu: yeah killerstorm had something
mircea_popescu: benkay logically you would use some sort of notary or equivalent
ezdiy: where most of tech discussion takes place
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.490001 = 5.96 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ie, a trusted third party to make the transfer once you're dead.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 67 @ 1.49 = 99.83 BTC [-]
benkay: I just have this silly desire to disintermediate all of the things.
mircea_popescu: but why!
ezdiy: because!
ezdiy: :)
benkay: because efficient capital flows ;)
mircea_popescu: this is the reason jborkl_ said stroke earlioer.
mircea_popescu: this is fundamentally a braindamaged notion, that disintermediation is always good.
ezdiy: benkay: give up, mp is a control freak
mircea_popescu: there's a reason restaurants have waitresses
Tritonio_: thanks
ezdiy: every time noobs want to roar free out of his control hes close to passing out
mircea_popescu: and cooks. you COULD go in the kitchen and make your own pie.
mircea_popescu: but it would suck.
mircea_popescu: ezdiy totally.
benkay: nah it'd be great
benkay: people would lose shares and shit
mircea_popescu: i just scared myself thinking of this restaurant where a bunch of people cooked themselves
mircea_popescu: nothing would ever be washed
benkay: but that's your own kitchen, though
benkay: when you want pro grade service, go out
benkay: take the shares to an exchange
benkay: but shit learn to cook
ThickAsThieves: I actually helped with the branding for a such a kitchen
benkay: do some things for yourself
jborkl_: it would go broke also cause the cooks suck
ThickAsThieves: they gave up the cook for yourself part in the 1st week
ThickAsThieves: and went normal
ThickAsThieves: was called As You Like It
ezdiy: Tritonio_: btw, theres webclient demo as well http://webcoinx.tumak.cz/index.html , and here howto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141858.msg1919807#msg1919807 how to issue
ThickAsThieves: "The Kitchen is Your Stage"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves clearly as the noobs got free out of the cook's control...
ThickAsThieves: they went out of business in year 1 too
ThickAsThieves: but they were nice designs...
mircea_popescu: bootstrap
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00094 = 0.0019 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i have a different question, would/could mpex allow a PT on it?
mircea_popescu: it does all the time
mircea_popescu: what, all the stocks there are pt'd multiple places
ThickAsThieves: i stock you dont control
ezdiy: bah
ThickAsThieves: the PT would be on MPEX
ezdiy: :)
mircea_popescu: in principle. tho the only time i tried it ended up poorly.
benkay: which exchange? which 'asset'?
mircea_popescu: benkay there was a pt to gigavps's bond thing last year.
mircea_popescu: the exchange imploded, the guy changed his contract, it died a horrible death.
mircea_popescu: so i'm not terribly keen of repeating the experience.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.5 = 7.5 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: makes sense
ThickAsThieves: lemme know if you ever change your mind ;)
ezdiy: well, generally its termed GLBSE hell
ezdiy: if you list every penny stock & pump ...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it certainly wouldn't be for an exchange that doesn't offer signed proofs and doesn't use gpg contracts.
ThickAsThieves: I was more thinking AM
ThickAsThieves: which isnt actually on an exchange
ezdiy: ThickAsThieves: you have to find the original investors
ezdiy: who back mp's pt, thats it
ezdiy: hoops hoops hoops
ThickAsThieves: ezdiy, you lost me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think the only sane way to actually have asicminer listed is for friedcat to come to his senses and sign an actual contract.
ThickAsThieves: I assumed
ThickAsThieves: but I also don't think that'll ever happen
benkay: did he intend to list on mpex at one point?
jborkl_: that would boost the price of AM more than anything IMO
ThickAsThieves: AM share value is sorta meaningless to Friedcat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00070956 = 1.3127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071034 = 3.0694 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10082 @ 0.00071147 = 7.173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2047 @ 0.00071231 = 1.4581 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he already sold out
mircea_popescu: so why wouldn't it happen ?
mircea_popescu: other than in order to reserve his ability to later pull a giga on everone ?
ThickAsThieves: he regularly exhibits that he prefers to control all transactions
ThickAsThieves: from hardware sales
jborkl_: but does he own bitfountain shares?
ThickAsThieves: to share xfers
ThickAsThieves: I suppose he could list Bitfountain
ThickAsThieves: which represents more than 50% of AM
ThickAsThieves: that would be interesting
jborkl_: yes so he does still ownn AM in that case
ThickAsThieves: that would also give him IPO funds to start a separate BitFountain venture
mircea_popescu: jborkl_ iirc about 15% or so of glbse held shares were never allocated to anyone so they reverted.
ThickAsThieves: maybe only 10%
ThickAsThieves: I forget the amount
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.146001 = 0.292 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: something in that neighbourhood
jborkl_: 40k shares or 20k shares depending on which way it was issued
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.5 = 15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: at any rate this vague situation of a 200 page forum thread anyone may edit can not end well.
ThickAsThieves: It can end well, but it easily might not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00070878 = 1.5948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2282 @ 0.00070666 = 1.6126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070588 = 3.0501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00070587 = 4.7999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1997 @ 0.00070581 = 1.4095 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: most public companies endings are not "well"
mircea_popescu: moreover, he's getting a lot of pent up pressure what with all the cluieless "investors"
mircea_popescu: people have internet-sued kakobrekla and made asses of themselves in this chan even when stuff was clearly written out
ThickAsThieves: yeah, the culture of his shareholders is worrisome
ThickAsThieves: but at least they can't vote
mircea_popescu: in the end... no skin of my personal back so i guess we sit, relax and enjoy the view.
ThickAsThieves: I'll watch from the inside
benkay: don't take too big of a loss before getting out, tat
mircea_popescu: try and hedge.
ThickAsThieves: mostly this venture is arbitrage where I keep a piece forever
mircea_popescu: i wonder if those bitfury ppl actually deliver
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.47102 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13.79 / 112.18
backupgribble: 0.122927438046
benkay: i wonder who buys the bitfury box?
mircea_popescu: well if indeed it does < 1W per gh...
mircea_popescu: many people
mircea_popescu: the limit will be how many he can make
benkay: dat 90k though
benkay: hold please
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
backupgribble: Current Blocks: 235921 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1966 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, 33 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12813878.5684 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.53995
benkay: yeah, estimated price of 90kusd
mircea_popescu: im out of the loop ?
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
backupgribble: Next difficulty estimate | 12813878.5684 based on data since last change | 12318260.5559 based on data for last three days
kakobrekla: those are spartans fpga
kakobrekla: not asic
kakobrekla: srsly ppl.
mircea_popescu: afaik that'd old
benkay: derp
mircea_popescu: like 1 year old.
benkay: doodly derp
ThickAsThieves: 110gh from AM is about $50k at current rates
ThickAsThieves: bring your own rack though
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0151 = 0.302 BTC [+]
benkay: what is this picostocks?
ThickAsThieves: dunno, it's to retarded looking for me to take seriously
mircea_popescu: some extremelky scammy looking thing that nevertheless is still around
benkay: bitfury claims to be operating out of a washington data cetner
benkay: center
ezdiy: benkay: its kinda wtf indeed https://bioinfo.pl/services.html
mircea_popescu: i thought he was russian or something
benkay: what is that bioinfo link in regards to?
benkay: ezdiy?
ThickAsThieves: maybe it is related to this? https://picostocks.com/stocks
ezdiy: same ssl certificate
ezdiy: as picostocks
ThickAsThieves: Proteon Pharma
benkay: bahahaha
ThickAsThieves: is listed on Pico
ezdiy: mmmm, east european illicit rx pharma? :)
ezdiy: i'd invest in that in a jiffy
ezdiy: dividends paid in adderall
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.490004 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu do you have a link to the thread where your PR tore picostocks a new one?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01491 = 0.3877 BTC [+]
benkay: oh point 2
benkay: There is one more important innovation. All transactions and all user accounts are public. It is possible to monitor the action of "best" traders and review their market position.
benkay: I was looking for this link:
ThickAsThieves: why does verifying a message work in bitcoin-qt, but not on blockchain.info?
ThickAsThieves: version thing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 307 @ 0.01491 = 4.5774 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.00318 = 0.0223 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01491 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539996 BTC [+]
mjr___: hi all
mjr___: whats new
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01495 = 0.0897 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: mpex is gonna list AM
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.01491 = 0.1342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2535 @ 0.00070621 = 1.7902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1316 @ 0.00070581 = 0.9288 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this pretty much. a challenger appears in asic market, plonks down ~15k usd on the theory he delivers.
mircea_popescu: more than bfl ever did.
mircea_popescu: or no, i think they did 500 btc when it was about 16 ?
ThickAsThieves: they also claim that they will honor the 1000btc donation to charity
KRS-1: thats embarrasing when you are mentioned as an exclusion on bitbet
ThickAsThieves: but BFL claiming something isnt worth much
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves claiming is nothing. this guy qactually sent the btc over, he's not getting it back unless he delivers.
mircea_popescu: bitbet ain't scamsofbitco.in
MikeMark: @ThickAsThieves, on verifying, can't tell you exactly why, but after checking about 30 sigs I now request the sender verify the message themselves and tell me which client and version they used.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00070581 = 3.282 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it was easy enough for me to try both
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500019 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.500007 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.5 = 45 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: MikeMark i've not yet had a problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7537 @ 0.00070581 = 5.3197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3863 @ 0.00070578 = 2.7264 BTC [-]
MikeMark: mircea_popescu, That's lucky. I had many, especially when verifying signed messages from blockchain.info wallet. I think they've been notified.
mircea_popescu: wait. you mean gpg verify or bitcoin addy sig verify ?
MikeMark: bitcoin addy signed message.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.014701 = 1.4701 BTC [-]
MikeMark: gpg always works.
mircea_popescu: a that's a mess.
mircea_popescu: yeah. nm, i thought you meant gpg.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0147001 = 1.47 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol ThickAsThieves arbiting that 0.0001
ThickAsThieves: not exactly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070752 = 3.0572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5111 @ 0.00070776 = 3.6174 BTC [+]
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