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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4111 = 0.8222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.21000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13990 @ 0.00069316 = 9.6973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7710 @ 0.00068557 = 5.2857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4111 = 0.8222 BTC [+]
pgp2: my phone just got stolen.. fuckin' blows...
mod6: :<
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4111 = 1.2333 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but i dont feel so bad for trashing it last time anymore
dub: lol
dub: tiberiusiv vs. usagi
dub: tiberiusiv way out of his depth on that one
usagi: I thought u hated me :/
tiberiusiv: usagi is scum
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.4421 = 6.6315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.44229999 = 4.423 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.4424999 = 3.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.443 = 2.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.449 = 2.245 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.00000, Best ask: 136.26679, Bid-ask spread: 0.26679, Last trade: 136.00000, 24 hour volume: 205306.28466866, 24 hour low: 120.08900, 24 hour high: 162.00000, 24 hour vwap: 141.46468
Diablo-D3: !icker
Diablo-D3: er heh
dub: tiberiusiv: quote for you > i made like 50 dollars off that dice thing on blockchain today
benkay: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.415076 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00283579646002 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
benkay: is mircea_popescu around?
dub: neg, sleepy|sexy tiem
orkaa: :D
thestringpuller: dub: no wub wub!!!!
thestringpuller: STOP WITH TEH WUB WUB DUB
dub: wat
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.52000, Best ask: 136.97999, Bid-ask spread: 0.45999, Last trade: 136.52000, 24 hour volume: 207806.15950960, 24 hour low: 120.08900, 24 hour high: 162.00000, 24 hour vwap: 141.32468
benkay: watman
benkay: nananananananananananana
benkay: wat mat
benkay: watman*
orkaa: O_o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.21000001 = 2.42 BTC [-]
orkaa: makes sense
dub: the watsign is a 3d projection of 2g1c onto a tall building
benkay: *golf clap*
benkay: +1 internet for you, sir.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29989998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29989998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29989999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2999 = 1.4995 BTC [+]
orkaa: what's this?
ThickAsThieves: they were toys
ThickAsThieves: they came with a little shooter
ThickAsThieves: and they were all ninja themed
ThickAsThieves: and there was a big arena
ThickAsThieves: so you and a friend would launch your tops
ThickAsThieves: to see who won
ThickAsThieves: they'd bump into each other
ThickAsThieves: til one stopped spinning
ThickAsThieves: but fun
orkaa: never seen those
orkaa: bah, sunrise :)
dub:
dub: in my day we made our own toys out of mud and sticks
dub: at least until age 5 when we went to work in the mines
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29999999 BTC [+]
orkaa: i had to walk 20km to school, uphill both ways, usually in deep snow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.085 BTC [-]
benkay: you forgot the barbed wire sandals, orkaa
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 9 @ 0.198 = 1.782 BTC [-]
orkaa: yeah, and wolves
benkay: is kakobrekla's socket up?
benkay: i gather not.
benkay: hey orkaa
orkaa: m?
benkay: what is the timestamp that comes off of the wire from kakobrekla's socket?
orkaa: hm, not sure
orkaa: probably unix time?
benkay: that's what i'm thinking
benkay: yup.
dub: orkaa: LUXURY
benkay: apologies for wasting your time on something googleable.
orkaa: np
orkaa: gotta go to sleep
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.01 = 0.15 BTC [+]
benkay: here's a fun piece of data
benkay: by my calculations, mpex has had over 300k of BTC wagered on options alone
benkay: and may have broken through 1M contracts traded total this month
benkay: that latter's pretty likely, actually.
benkay: i could get better numbers, but kako's socket's not responding :(
benkay: and i don't feel like debugging a socket connection over code i didn't write myself tonight
jurov: i supplied some data to kakobrekla and he found ISO format dates YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS+TZ unwieldy lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.15 = 2.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00303 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.1722 = 2.3444 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1725 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.1725 = 10.5525 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1744 BTC [+]
KRS1: u know whats unweildy? epoch time...I mean..why..
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.09 = 13.08 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: hey all
KRS1: t'sup man
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 45 @ 0.482 = 21.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.482 = 2.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.48249899 = 3.3775 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: back from a week on the islands
Chaang-Noi: yesterday had a big jump in ltc AM and btc, pretty crazy... these a crqazy ass swings to my portfolio...
Chaang-Noi: id liek some stability...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6174 @ 0.00070057 = 4.3253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7343 @ 0.00070059 = 5.1444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.28000001 = 0.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4824 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00303 BTC [+]
truffles: massive gamble not paying that 75 dollars a year
truffles: in that thread about taxes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00068747 = 3.8155 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00302 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll have to one day sit down and write a full explanation as to why a. you think the us government matters at all and b. you think anyone other than you gives a shit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.7051 = 6.8204 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but i mean, a serious, explicit, inquisitive piece like if you were writing a physics paper.
kakobrekla: what is it down
thestringpuller: i thought mp said "like writing a physics engine"
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny tho because unique among literate people americans have spent a century or maybe even two in the firm belief that their government is like... good etc. paying their taxes, trying to do what policeman says etc.
mircea_popescu: this is a strictly american phenomenon, unheard of anywhere else, from france to morocco and from russia to iran
kakobrekla: ;;later tell benkay is ok now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: jurov i dont remember what i found it
kakobrekla: but unix timestamp ftw
MJR_: what the fuck is wrong with people who make public policy?
MJR_: instead of actually just letting them pay the price that they say they would pay, we take the word for it and set a rate? how does that make any sense
MJR_: apparently the swaps market is also rigged like LIBOR
MJR_: well, that is not surprising
MJR_: but i just can't believe that no one actually does anything about it
mircea_popescu: somehow magically the bet submitter picked the exact spot where it'd be contentious.
MJR_: like...if i went to the supermarket, and they did a survey asking everyone there how much an orange would cost me...instead of letting us just bid on the orange or w/e
mircea_popescu: but this is more democratic.
mircea_popescu: and less capitalistic.
mircea_popescu: both these are good things. especially for people who need beatings, know they need beatings, want to get their ass beaten raw.
MJR_: lol
MJR_: its also funny cuz they are really DP'ing everyone
MJR_: let's cheat and fix the interest rate...
MJR_: and then let's cheat and fix the price it takes to switch from variable to fixed rate
mircea_popescu: then people want banks to like bitcoin
MJR_: how many other ways can you add corruption to a loan
mircea_popescu: yes dude, totally. they'll love bitcoin, where they have to come to me with that nonsense and be shown the door
mircea_popescu: they love this idea, pls moar.
MJR_: well..."banks" is not a great word...there are banks and then there are banks
MJR_: its not a monolithic structure...
mircea_popescu: this is very true.
MJR_: but, once you are in the club, then you have no worries
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i'm already buffing my cameras and mics for that glorious moment five or maybe three years down the road
MJR_: hehehe
MJR_: gonna be fun
mircea_popescu: when random anon bank ceo/vp/etc comes to bitcoin assets to start w/e project
mircea_popescu: and i go are you in the wot ? gtfo.
mircea_popescu: come back 1 yr.
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: we all dreamin.
mircea_popescu: and he's gonna be all whiny and i'm gonna be all dude, we've had this interdweeb nonsense for 3 or 5 years by now.
mircea_popescu: stfu and do whart you're told.
mircea_popescu: and so he's going to dig up the old protest threads on btctalk and bitch about how im a gypsy racist
mircea_popescu: and then our victory will have been complete.
mircea_popescu: now don't any of you trolls quote this discussion then until after i'm done making teh banker my cockpuppet.
MJR_: hehehe
MJR_: ewwww, you want a banker for a cockpuppet?
mircea_popescu: metaphorically speaking.
MJR_: lol
MJR_: i know of course
mircea_popescu: i have a 10 foot cock, i can stick it into banker
mircea_popescu: a little
mircea_popescu: at the tip
mircea_popescu: speaking of bankers, anyone have any favorite burlesque performers ?
mircea_popescu: i'm going to do like l'oreal etc and have a mpex image chick.
pizzaman1337: this is why I have logging turned on
MJR_: HAHAHA
MJR_: yes
MJR_: are we going to have the website to archive all of this?
MJR_: hmmm...what if we put everything from bitcoin-assets into the blockchain?
pizzaman1337: no, bad idea
pizzaman1337: blockchain is too big already
MJR_: how future generations will judge us...
kakobrekla: i was trying to add it like yesterday or something but i got distracted
mircea_popescu: in fact this chan is growing faster than the blockchain
pizzaman1337: we don't want everyone dropping their crap in the blockchain
kakobrekla: irc is to blame
MJR_: i think it'd be hilarious, kinda like putting up posters of miley cyrus in the smithsonian
MJR_: or doodling on the constitution
mircea_popescu: MJR_ they've put seinfeld.
MJR_: lol
mircea_popescu: and in fairness, the blockchain isn't as bad as either miley cyrus or doodling.
mircea_popescu: we could tolerate it on our chan
MJR_: i just think that the whole idea of posterity is going away rather quickly
MJR_: we still have the illusion (some of us anyway) that the older generations were respectable
MJR_: our children will prob not have that illusion at all
kakobrekla: loool
kakobrekla: MJR_ is worried.
MJR_: srsly
MJR_: when your kids can google the things you tweeted as a teenager yourself...
mircea_popescu: o hey, twitter delivers! >> @PaulFish This is what a CEO / founder needs to focus on. This is it. http://t.co/KopwO3Udpy
MJR_: or even worse, if they see the pics you've posted of yourself
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why i have the time to irc and chase skirts.
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i think all future children will have to learn to be comfortable with the fact that their mother's goodies are public record.
MJR_: yep
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny tho because unique among literate people americans have spent a century or maybe even two in the firm belief that their government is like... good etc. paying their taxes, trying to do what policeman says etc. << I would attribute that to the general populace being brainwashed into believing revolution is bad
mircea_popescu: are you kidding ?
mircea_popescu: it all started with revolution.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only people who believe revolution is good, other than romanians and who knows who else.
thestringpuller: isn't that funny though?!?!?
thestringpuller: Sure we protest, and "get uppity", but in general you're taught all through childhood "do as your told", "don't question authority".
thestringpuller: Maybe if everyone were more poor? Or perhaps there was truly a need to revolt? American's are very apathetic, and actually seem to "enjoy" the lethargy that arises from it.
mircea_popescu: that's normal, good and common.
mircea_popescu: people should do what they're told and not question authority in most cases.
thestringpuller: People should not be lazy and educate themselves :P
mircea_popescu: that's also
mircea_popescu: but the society where people don't do what they're told and question authority a lot ends up something like france
mircea_popescu: can't get a fucking train on schedule, even if the schedule lists hours only, no minutes.
thestringpuller: Yea, or you get Detroit.
thestringpuller: Have you ever been to Detroit?
MJR_: i've been to detroit
mircea_popescu: i avoided it.
thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu would very well enjoy Detroit.
thestringpuller: You may need quite a few goons, and maybe a couple of drones...
mircea_popescu: you think ?
thestringpuller: Dude you survive in Bitcoin land which is like the virtual Detroit.
thestringpuller: Not only survive but thrive off it.
thestringpuller: Detroit is yours for the taking I'd think.
thestringpuller: You lived through the 90's Romanian revolution no?
mircea_popescu: what, i'm not affraid of "bad neighbourhoods" lol.
mircea_popescu: heck, i took teh coindelberg group through one here, it was funnay.
thestringpuller: is that like a pun?
mircea_popescu: which one ?
thestringpuller: coindelberg
mircea_popescu: the endlessly hacked frenchie guy came up with it
thestringpuller: Aw. And you were rooting for him.
mircea_popescu: he has the luck of the irishman in reverse.
thestringpuller: I wonder how they keep getting in...
jurov: *that* was bad neighborhood? i failed to notice. no smell, hens or pigs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00069657 = 4.2491 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: jurov's been to detroit?
jurov: no, in bratislava
mircea_popescu: jurov didja notice the gagle of 20 kids threatening to knife each other ?
jurov: yes i noticed, just joking a bit
mircea_popescu: was kinda funny, they were all "you ciocksucker, i bet you don't have 10 euros on you" "dude, if i do you suck my cock ???" "fuck you, show me"
mircea_popescu: i was like, hey, cool, nobody here is worth less than a million or some shit like that, you people are arguing about who has ten euros.
mircea_popescu: inequality ftw.
jurov: srsly, we need them in -otc. complete with knives
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 129.98000, Best ask: 130.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 130.00000, 24 hour volume: 240970.80932549, 24 hour low: 120.08900, 24 hour high: 159.66165, 24 hour vwap: 137.00610
kakobrekla: 50 here we come!
thestringpuller: ;;bids 125
gribble: There are currently 3217.5402 bitcoins demanded at or over 125.0 USD, worth 406095.036857 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0053 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;asks 140
gribble: There are currently 7155.5675 bitcoins offered at or under 140.0 USD, worth 974221.764505 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.8159 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;bids 120
gribble: There are currently 18144.077 bitcoins demanded at or over 120.0 USD, worth 2216699.76409 USD in total. | Data vintage: 40.3246 seconds
MJR_: lol coindelberg?
mircea_popescu: totally.
truffles: top of the morning MJR
jurov: all hail our Lord deCrypto
jurov: yay "This subreddit has been slow, as have my mining operations. I thought I'd freshen it up a bit!"
mircea_popescu: kinda old this neh ?
jurov: old but good
truffles: any penis pics on reddit?
truffles: oh its there
truffles: scary looking ones
MJR_: lol good morning truffles
truffles: one looks like an eel omg
truffles: this has go to be photo shop
truffles: should i link?
truffles: and its a redhead, spidey senses going off
jurov: trrrrrrufflesss?
truffles: yes?
jurov: *wink*
truffles: we were getting nsfw in here so...
jurov: so you had to be helpful.
MJR_: lol, have you guys heard of rebecca martinson
kakobrekla: truffles your kids will see that.
truffles: i like to give a helping hand
jurov: i need help, too
truffles: well if i had kids penis wont be a bother
mircea_popescu: seems btc-e was actuyally hacked last week ?
Chaang-Noi: and we are back on topic
mircea_popescu: what, is truffles posting nudes ?
MJR_: http://gawker.com/5994974/the-most-deranged-sorority-girl-email-you-will-ever-read?popular=true
MJR_: this is why i love american colleges
mircea_popescu: [UPDATE 4/25: The sorority sister who authored the email has now resigned. Click here to read the sorority's official statement.]
mircea_popescu: see, this sorty of shit...
truffles: ofc mp wants nudes when a sea them are on the net
mircea_popescu: i would have made her chapter queen for a week, and everyone had to serve her in the nude.
truffles: "Last week, bitches got told. " wow
MJR_: she is awesome
MJR_: she basically is implying that the other girls should have put out more for social status
mircea_popescu: do you know a name or anything ?
mircea_popescu: i'm inviting her over.
truffles: ofc she will want to go to Romania
MJR_: rebecca martinson
MJR_: my friend sent me that, i just asked one question...is she single
mircea_popescu: i dojn't give a flying fuck if she;s single. and tyvm.
ThickAsThieves: the email doesnt seem that controversial, i expected worse from the hype
truffles: lol
truffles: that letter is long tldr
MJR_: http://www.betcheslovethis.com/article/Themed-Parties
MJR_: this one is great, sororities hobos and hoes theme parties
MJR_: and people say america doesn't have a great educational system...
kakobrekla: some dumb parents right there
MJR_: lol, but...skateboards?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29999998 BTC [+]
MJR_: ;;ud betch
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=betch | A betch is another way of saying "Bitch" except it sounds a million times better and makes you feel cool!
truffles: makes me think of Beth
mircea_popescu: check that out lol
Scrat: are college sororities/fraternities only a murcan thing? or do other western countries have them
mircea_popescu: pretty much american
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 233241 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 614 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 58 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9956757.41042 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.9475
kakobrekla: so close to 10mil
truffles: how many millioins is your share kakobrekla
truffles: way over the stated amount
truffles: baller
kakobrekla: ya well its a scam!
truffles: bitcoin is a scam, heard it here 1st
KRS1: lol
MJR_: ;;ud cuntpunt
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cunt-punt | if a bitch/ minion gets wise with you, you kick and or punch them in their pussy. gets em everytime. If you talk back to me one more time, ill give ya a cunt punt, ...
truffles: learning so much itc
truffles: MJR_ which minion is getting out of line?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 309 @ 0.00278789 = 0.8615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.28000001 = 0.56 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "And how do you know that none of the content was written by people behind it? (And even if it was not written, it was perfectly collected together.)The organization is 100% anonymous with bitcoin early developers and great programmers behind it. Satoshi Nakamoto, before he vanished, in the last interview in April said that he had "moved on to other things," how do you know that GBBG and their software is not that oth
mircea_popescu: er thing."
mircea_popescu: comedy gold.
pgp2: mp: what is that in reference to?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4754 @ 0.00069657 = 3.3115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15996 @ 0.00069481 = 11.1142 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: thanks
Chaang-Noi: doubling in a week is pretty good
Chaang-Noi: wish it was more however
Chaang-Noi: 138 again on btc, fucking all over the place
Chaang-Noi: 120 to 166 range is nuts...
Chaang-Noi: ;;bids 120
gribble: There are currently 22399.07 bitcoins demanded at or over 120.0 USD, worth 2772336.48921 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0060 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ;;asks 166
gribble: There are currently 33114.795 bitcoins offered at or under 166.0 USD, worth 5071504.2059 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.3661 seconds
Chaang-Noi: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 33503993 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 19202524.8757 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.8066 seconds
Chaang-Noi: down a bit...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00070059 = 6.7607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00278789 = 2.7879 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.28 = 2.8 BTC [-]
error4733: ;;next
gribble: \*AWAY UNTIL April 28\* resistance: 132, 136, 138-140 | support: 120, 115, 110, 100, 90 | lower buy targets: 102, 96-100, 86 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 21 2013, 18:00 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 4 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 28 seconds ago
Cylta: where I can read more about what exactly mean for example O.USD.C152N?
ThickAsThieves: oddly i dont think there is a good description faq for mpex options on the mpex website
ThickAsThieves: but i know full explanations exists in the forums
mircea_popescu: Cylta call struck at 152 expiring next month
error4733: MP blog no ? for a good description
mircea_popescu: error4733 i thought they're explained to death everywhere, forum, blog etc.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1629 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00303 BTC [+]
error4733: yes but not on MPEX #irony
KRS-1: Very funny mircea popescu..Can I have my anal room back please
KRS-1: why would you want bitcoin anal
KRS-1: I'm not trying to be an ass
KRS-1: Thats ok..I'll get it in the end
truffles: #bitcoin-anal exists heh
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
KRS-1: Says you registered my anal chat
KRS-1: Can I have my anal chat room back pls
truffles: i like that prank lol
KRS-1: lol
mircea_popescu: i have ?!
KRS-1: [Notice] -ChanServ- #bitcoin-anal is already registered to mircea_popescu.
truffles: rofl
KRS-1: Isnt anything sacred anymore
pgp2: lol
mircea_popescu: kickass.
truffles: he really likes ass
KRS-1: haha its a nice channel though
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.163 = 2.326 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.1638 = 8.1466 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1635 BTC [-]
MJR_: you jacked #bitcoin-anal??
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1637 BTC [+]
Cylta: If I understand correctly, asset "O.USD.C086T" is a call option from price of 86 usd per btc that will expire this month. Why people sell it, if price is already significally higher? and for what amount is this option?
ThickAsThieves: Cylta, you need to wait until new options are created tonight/tomorrow
ThickAsThieves: current prices are "glitched"
ThickAsThieves: (not actually quoting anyone)
mircea_popescu: Cylta you understand how options work, do you ?
ThickAsThieves: he was looking for a full guide earlier
ThickAsThieves: i dont have the link saved tho
ThickAsThieves: you should post that shit at mpex.com
Cylta: mircea_popescu: I did not expect, that you can buy\sell options with different price than current price. that's looks strange for me.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1637 BTC [+]
Cylta: error4733: thanks!
ThickAsThieves: neither of those links will help you enough
error4733: the price is not different, it's a like a bet !
mircea_popescu: prolly should start there.
ThickAsThieves: thats the good one!
ThickAsThieves: would you consider adding that link to the mpex faq?
mircea_popescu: well the idea kinda is that the mpex faq is about mpex, and people should be learning about options other places.
deadweasel: $acg
deadweasel: $avg
mpexbot: deadweasel: 135.85
deadweasel: crap. hey mp, does the bot come online to buy back my calls at a fraction of the price I bought them for?
ThickAsThieves: asking mp for something = always asking too much
deadweasel: answers are usually rec'd.
deadweasel: which is something.
ThickAsThieves: he will speak to you, just not act for you
deadweasel: we'll see.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1637 BTC [+]
deadweasel: all i want is an answer
deadweasel: unless you want to buy some calls at 215 ThickAsThieves ! :
ThickAsThieves: already burdened with Put at 89
deadweasel: ouchie, should exercised them demons... i did the avg ever come down that far?
ThickAsThieves: and calls the mysteriously excercised at 0
deadweasel: or was the 50 bounce too quick?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 150 @ 0.000641 = 0.0962 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00064 = 0.064 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.00983 = 0.0492 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00983 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 8 @ 0.00982 = 0.0786 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9 @ 0.000639 = 0.0058 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.00981 = 0.1472 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000635 = 0.0191 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000631 = 0.0063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00281 = 0.0843 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00281 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 97 @ 0.0028 = 0.2716 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0028 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: my MPOE PT shares seem to be being held hostage by DeadTerra, who is disinclined to trasnfer them to Jurov for me.
deadweasel: lol, i sold EVERYTHING. I don't want to hold of any of that crap right now.
jurov: did he said as much? or is he just silent?
ThickAsThieves: after several messages
ThickAsThieves: and sign-ons by him
ThickAsThieves: in forum
ThickAsThieves: maybe he's busy playing Starcraft or sumth
kakobrekla: i wouldnt trust a guy who plays xbox
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.1638 = 3.4914 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1649 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: AM is gonna rally again
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.165 = 11.65 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: friedcat confirmed 15TH will be online within a week
mircea_popescu: ok so who wants to or knows anyone wanting to model tits for a new project of mine ?
ThickAsThieves: MPOE-PR seems to be equipped
mircea_popescu: im trying to spread bitcoin incomes to poor girls.
mircea_popescu: she ain't poor.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 30 @ 0.01629 = 0.4887 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 150 @ 0.000679 = 0.1019 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Maybe reddit wants to help
Cylta: mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/GirlsGoneBitcoin ? i think many of them may help you
KRS-1: I'm a poor girls.
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 you female ?
KRS-1: i can be
KRS-1: how much btc we talkin here
mircea_popescu: talk to goat, i don't do ladyboiz
KRS-1: lulz
KRS-1: ok i'll settle for ltc ...?
KRS-1: nmc?
Cylta: KRS-1: may be xrp =)
KRS-1: whats a xrp
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 165183.38 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 14103182.0003 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0086 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
gribble: There are currently 69668.083 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 11769976.7017 USD in total. | Data vintage: 9.4491 seconds
Cylta: KRS-1: premined, centrelised, low-value, with-no-future coin =)
davout: mircea_popescu: you could organize orgies in romania, get bitcoins spent, and poor girls richer
mircea_popescu: o look who's back
mircea_popescu: i think ima organise lockable cages webhosting first, frenchie :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 14 @ 0.41 = 5.74 BTC [+]
davout: mircea_popescu: where do i sign?
mircea_popescu: ovh.com/suckers-apply-here
davout: yeah well
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1979 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so how's paris ?
davout: being hit by the very thing you were discussing a couple of hours ago on #bitcoin-assets OH THE IRONY
davout: dirty as usual
MJR_: lol
MJR_: hi davout
davout: MJR_: hello
MJR_: whats new
KRS-1: whats up MJR-
davout: MJR_: well. https://bitcoin-central.net pretty much sums it all up
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1979 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.198 = 14.376 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i do think the idea to reaudit the entire thing leisurely is best.
mircea_popescu: who came up with it ?
davout: mircea_popescu: the idea of re-auditing ?
mircea_popescu: you know, take service down, check everything, no rush
davout: i did
mircea_popescu: good call.
davout: my intelligence is limited, but i do have enough to see when taking a step back is needed
davout: :-)
mircea_popescu: ;;getrating davout
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User davout, rated since Thu Jan 27 14:22:24 2011. Cumulative rating 14, from 4 total ratings. Received ratings: 4 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=davout
jurov: replied
MJR_: lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.003071 = 0.0154 BTC [-]
MJR_: how much resemblance necessary?
jurov: but dunno how many topless models frequent irc.. maybe usagi will volunteer?
MJR_: lol yeah
kakobrekla: also scroll up wtf?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 8 @ 0.00307 = 0.0246 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: who is the attention whore now
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17603 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.00981 = 0.0589 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.0098 = 0.0392 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: nice pic, rivals even MP's pics
jurov: My burn rate is currently about $200,000 per month if I continue at this level
jurov: mpoe-pr should comment how much women if mp's burn rate
jurov: *is
kakobrekla: omg that thread
kakobrekla: it continiues into total retarded noobishness
bitcoin_lady: Hello :p
mircea_popescu: heya bitcoin_lady
j0w: :)
ThickAsThieves: this should be fun
kakobrekla: it it apropriate to say "tits or gtfo" ?
bitcoin_lady: This is not /b/, faggot.
kakobrekla: its a meta question, lady.
mircea_popescu: haha cool.
mircea_popescu: so this rpietila guy is trying to be me two years later basically ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin_lady to read your private messages click on the tab
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i think he is a liar ... saying he was 'around' first bubbl
mircea_popescu: ya well.
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: people love pumping themselves up for w/e reason.
kakobrekla: i mean the guy sent 13 btc to some other guy
kakobrekla: to prove he is rich
kakobrekla: that only proves he is an idiot
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
error4733: i check the address on blockchain
error4733: he didnt sent
kakobrekla: apparently was internal tx of easywallet
kakobrekla: i mean its that or he has two accounts
kakobrekla: and is self trolling
kakobrekla: and so incapable
mircea_popescu: what idiot.
kakobrekla: that he doesnt even do blockchain tx
error4733: self trolling imo
mircea_popescu: somebody drop a link to mpex's public addy, see what he says
Cylta: why people sell options above 1btc? looks like profit may not break the edge of 1btc per option.
Cylta: at lest for calls
mircea_popescu: Cylta the bot is a little crazy currently.
mircea_popescu: you can sell them for whatever you want tho.
Cylta: but by math, any calls that are sold for more, than 1 btc is just waiting of buyers money :P kind of math exam?
Chaang-Noi: kakobrekla that guy.. wtf was he thinking?
kakobrekla: he wasnt
kakobrekla: and isnt
Chaang-Noi: you know he has a party or gathering or something in finland?
kakobrekla: and wont be
Chaang-Noi: he asked me to go, and then asked for btc :/
kakobrekla: how much
Chaang-Noi: i dont know, it goes up the longer i wait. but i guess there is hotel or something involved
Chaang-Noi: but there are no details that i can find
Chaang-Noi: im not going so i just sorta ignored it but then i saw this and was like wtf??
kakobrekla: well this is bitcoin, everyone and their sister is the biggest expert
jurov: and their dog
jurov: yes, this is a dog.
Chaang-Noi: kako i cant tell if he is some silver hot shot invester who made money in the run up and now did well in btc in the last 4 months or is just a full scammer
Chaang-Noi: btw is he claiming to have 2.4k btc or 24k btc?
truffles: u jelly?
kakobrekla: i dont know
kakobrekla: he was buying at ~100
jurov: 2.4k mbtc
Chaang-Noi: no i did very well in silver and then i did very well in btc/ltc and asicminer
jurov: he's givind errythign in mbtc
kakobrekla: yes retarded
Chaang-Noi: yeah buying at over 100 is not something id brag about
truffles: new money gets the stern look from everyone huh
Chaang-Noi: we are not even sure if he has money or is just a troll
Chaang-Noi: he tried to prove he had money by moving 13 btc and it never showed up on the block chain....
Chaang-Noi: he might not have any btc
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: strange he is not aware that he cant sign an addy
kakobrekla: i mean
kakobrekla: sign something with priv key of an addy
Chaang-Noi: he sent from a fucking web wallet
Troic_: perhaps his web wallet, nm says it all
kakobrekla: you can sign from blockchain.info wallet
Chaang-Noi: who the fuck uses a web wallet? i understand maybe the troll had one but a guy with 24k or 2.4k lol
kakobrekla: o looky
Chaang-Noi: what is easywallet? iv never used it
kakobrekla: it must have rained recently
kakobrekla: "its time to make a change" cause you defo wont be "making a bank"
truffles: new channel for me
truffles: so many people in here
truffles: its buzzin
truffles: slow pony?
deadweasel: howdy truf
truffles: are your panties in a bunch about new money too?
Chaang-Noi: what happened to tiberslav?
deadweasel: i was just impressed that rolling stone changed their position. my panties are in the laundry.
truffles: chaang he's in -offtopic
deadweasel: he's nowhere with /ignore!
truffles: ignore is for pussies
kakobrekla: i think they are that retarded.
truffles: toughen up
Chaang-Noi: 1 btc = 1000 nBTC?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.198 = 2.396 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: mBTC?
Cylta: Chaang-Noi: mBTC
Cylta: Chaang-Noi: 1 btc = 1 000 000 nBTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.198 = 3.594 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you know he has a party or gathering or something in finland? <<< Ahahahah
Cylta: oh, no.. 1 btc = 1 000 mBTC = 1 000 000 uBTC = 1 000 000 000 nBTC
Chaang-Noi: mp did you not get the invite?
mircea_popescu: dude this is so ridiculous
Chaang-Noi: its like in 2 weeks as well
ThickAsThieves: i am fond of the ignore function
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.400001 = 1.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so did he hear about my thing and is trying to copy retardedly
mircea_popescu: or just natural retard ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.3 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i want to post in public is pm to me but i dont want to violate privacy issues
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.198 = 3.594 BTC [+]
truffles: good call
mircea_popescu: kinda worth it for the lulz,
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 44 @ 0.00307 = 0.1351 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kinda not worth it dfor the drama
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 98 @ 0.00306 = 0.2999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 570 @ 0.00306 = 1.7442 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he said he was going to make it public somewhere
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 130 @ 0.00301 = 0.3913 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: but i never saw that
ThickAsThieves: sharing pms violates privacy issues?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4244 = 2.5464 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: violates trust only, i thought
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.1999 = 2.3998 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: it is a personal invite to his party, i dont think i should share it word for word
Chaang-Noi: fine its a trust issue,
ThickAsThieves: oh i get it
ThickAsThieves: like it has personal info in it
Chaang-Noi: it has info he said he would make public
Chaang-Noi: but i dont know where or if he has
truffles: post the stuff he said he would make public
truffles: with him saying so
Chaang-Noi: hey kako that thread is self moderated
Chaang-Noi: he is going to get rid of all of that
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha dude bought a $5 ad in an ad paper
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: dude never has so much been attempted with so little.
Girlfawkesy: I understand MP was looking for me?
Chaang-Noi: its a scam mp?
Girlfawkesy: I dunno, I got a message on reddit
Girlfawkesy: not much info was given, and I was curious
mircea_popescu: Girlfawkesy hey there.
jcpham: what is #bitcoin-assets?
jcpham: bitcoin-asshats?
imsaguy: gypsy bazaar
Troic_: its a virtual lobby for mp ?
Cylta: jcpham: temple of mircea_popescu =)
truffles: recruitment grounds
Technologov__: what is traded on this bazaar ?
mircea_popescu: imsaguy is alive ?!
kakobrekla: slaves
jcpham: mp has a following?
Chaang-Noi: tears
jcpham: sadness
Scrat: dreams
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: I was on a trip
mircea_popescu: Technologov__ its the place where bitcoin securities get discussed.
Technologov__: such as ?
Technologov__: Are there any ? ^^
jcpham: these guys in otc are selling an ASIC startup
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067399 / 0.00069538 / 0.000703 (298127 shares, 207.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00064141 / 0.0006982 / 0.00073891 (2649171 shares, 1,849.67 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068714 / 0.00073891 (10288649 shares, 7,069.75 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.dice
jcpham: telling people 200% returns
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00278789 / 0.00278789 / 0.00278789 (1309 shares, 3.65 BTC), 7D: 0.0023263 / 0.00295308 / 0.00349995 (32043 shares, 94.63 BTC), 30D: 0.0012 / 0.00317689 / 0.00448 (1524631 shares, 4,843.59 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00050015 / 0.00177875 / 0.00201395 (137670 shares, 244.88 BTC)
jcpham: i told 'em to come here!
imsaguy: I think asicminer needs a passthrough on mpex
imsaguy: they're everywhere else
jcpham: think asicminer needs to send me some blades
imsaguy: better yet
jcpham: so i can erupt some shit
Chaang-Noi: AM does not need it, mpex might need it
imsaguy: a passthrough for the passthroughs
imsaguy: make a synthetic
jcpham: we could proxy all the proxies
imsaguy: exactly
mircea_popescu: imsaguy the day they sign a contract.
Chaang-Noi: AM has all the funding they need, they dont need shit
Chaang-Noi: mp, friedcat will never sign a contract
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: AM needs to sign if its a passthrough?
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: can you read chinese?
mircea_popescu: they need to sign if its on mpex.
Chaang-Noi: they wont sign
Chaang-Noi: why take a risk with no gain?
imsaguy: those chinese won't sign anything unless its in chinese
imsaguy: stupid china
ThickAsThieves: its a moot point, like Chaang says, they don't need anything
jcpham: forget about asicminer
mircea_popescu: i can't be stonewalled. he won't sign, he won't exist pretty much.
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: lol
jcpham: get in on the ground floor of peachMining
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: Use google translate..
Chaang-Noi: haha AM wont exist :) hahahah
imsaguy: jcpham, I'm goign to form my own asic company
jcpham: tell me more BTCOxygen
Chaang-Noi: 10% of the network and soon to be 20%
Technologov__: There is an opportunity to Invest in Avalon ASIC chips.
Technologov__: Run by .
Technologov__: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=184305.0
jcpham: -otc is a terrible place to sell the idea
imsaguy: Chaang-Noi, they've been promising for a while
imsaguy: they're starting to sound like bfl
Scrat: imsaguy: cant help but misread your nick as imsogay :'(
imsaguy: always delays
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29999997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29999998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Scrat for good reason.
Chaang-Noi: they ahve the chips, they dont have the power
imsaguy: Scrat: it happens to those with a reading level below the american fourth grade
jcpham: imsogay
Chaang-Noi: did you read his update today?
jcpham: so funny
Chaang-Noi: and anyway they have 7.7 TH
Chaang-Noi: that is much more than not existing
imsaguy: they're supposed to have like 12 TH
imsaguy: like 3 months ago
imsaguy: how are they going to add 50 more if they can't get teh original going?
ThickAsThieves: they did, they just didnt share
Chaang-Noi: my point was, MP claim of them not existing if they are not on his eschagne is lulz
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves, most likely
jcpham: so 2.8TH/s for 3500BTC?
imsaguy: Chaang-Noi: he meant they won't exist on the exchange, derp
jcpham: ;;genrate 28000000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 28000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 1569.07933912 BTC per day and 65.3783057965 BTC per hour.
Cylta: Can I create options? and do I have to keep a balance to cover them? (and what do I have to do with puts, because they may cost ~inf in case if price will go to 0)?
mircea_popescu: Cylta yes, you can create options. you need to cover them.
BTCOxygen: jcpham: 3TH/s.
Chaang-Noi: imsaguy and that is what i told you
BTCOxygen: Will update OP in few hours.
jcpham: ;;calc 3500*[ticker --avg]
gribble: 476259.42
Chaang-Noi: they dont need anything.
jcpham: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 233265 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 590 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 6 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9964156.51421 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.02995
imsaguy: THey need content shareholders.
jcpham: what's the timeline until deployed BTCOxygen
imsaguy: Well, technically, they don't even need that.
ThickAsThieves: they have content shareholders
imsaguy: At this point, asicminer has the shareholders by the balls.
BTCOxygen: jcpham: ~July.
Scrat: jcpham thats one zero too many
jcpham: ;;genrate 2800000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 2800000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 156.907933912 BTC per day and 6.53783057965 BTC per hour.
jcpham: ?
BTCOxygen: ;;generate 3000000
gribble: Error: "generate" is not a valid command.
BTCOxygen: ;;genrate 3000000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 3000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 168.115643477 BTC per day and 7.00481847819 BTC per hour.
jcpham: i'm betting we're way way over 20mil by july in diff
mircea_popescu: there's this crazy gbet about 10mn diff by end of month
mircea_popescu: im so curious which way it neds
mircea_popescu: like 10-20k riding on it
jcpham: ;;genrate 3000000 20000000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 3000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 20000000.0, is 75.4359774646 BTC per day and 3.14316572769 BTC per hour.
imsaguy: mircea_popescu, which side are you on?
mircea_popescu: neither actually
BTCOxygen: jcpham: Even if difficulty hit 35mil you are still safe.
jcpham: ;;calc 75*[ticker --avg]*30
gribble: 306166.77
imsaguy: anyone saying a 10x diff hike is nbd is crazy
jcpham: at 20 mil difficulty who is selling the $306k in coins you mine in july
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: So you are saying that the difficulty will not hit 100m ?
jcpham: ;;genrate 3000000 40000000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 3000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 40000000.0, is 37.7179887323 BTC per day and 1.57158286385 BTC per hour.
jcpham: follow up question
BTCOxygen: jcpham: Profits will be paid out to investors in Bitcoins.
jcpham: ;;calc 37*[ticker --avg]*30
gribble: 151040.4084
imsaguy: I know difficuilty will hit much higher than that
jcpham: who sel the 150k in coins the new month at 40 mil
jcpham: it difficult for me to trust
BTCOxygen: jcpham: Why sell the coins ?
jcpham: ic
jcpham: you are right
jcpham: but you want btc upfront?
BTCOxygen: jcpham: Dividends will be paid in Bitcoins.
BTCOxygen: jcpham: Yes we need funding for the project.
jcpham: name "we"
jcpham: publicly
BTCOxygen: Our team
BTCOxygen: Our = I and my partner.
imsaguy: This interview is going well.
imsaguy: <.<
BTCOxygen: team = The people working for us.
imsaguy: >.>
jcpham: you should get used to saying "me John Q Whatever and my partner Steven X> whocares"
Technologov__:
Scrat: the chinese
Scrat: BTCOxygen: are they chinese?
Technologov__: http://btcoxygen.com/
jcpham: it's half mil in BTC up front
imsaguy: Technologov__: mining pool software is prepackaged these days. it doesn't take rocket science to run it.
jcpham: it's a great idea but you'll need more of a following
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: Yeah it does not need rocket science, Also we built our custom poolserver, Plus we have paid users without troubles.
BTCOxygen: Thats what brings the trust.
BTCOxygen: Paying users = trust.
imsaguy: you're right
imsaguy: I apologize
truffles: i dont like the name btcoxygen..
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: heh.
BTCOxygen: If anyone is interested please PM me.
Technologov__: jcpham, read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=184305.0
jcpham: i'm not going to jump on the tread and be mean but like those guys are saying
jcpham: 3500 btc upfront and AT BEST you'll generate 150BTC/monthly
jcpham: ;;calc 3500/150
gribble: 23.3333333333
jcpham: 23 month roi
jcpham: assuming rainbows
jcpham: and there are no rainbows here
Scrat: it is 150 btc daily
jcpham: oh shit
jcpham: u right my maths is so bad
Scrat: but that doesn't make it anymore viable
jcpham: where do i sign up? I have 1 btc to contrtibute
Scrat: as you said it's a lot of dough upfront
jcpham: i'd like one share please.
jborkl: You owe Topace 20 btc right?
jborkl: that you have not paid in how long
jborkl: ?
truffles: public shaming ftw
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [+]
KRS-1: wow price of btc looks higer for once on btc-e
kakobrekla: its not
KRS-1: my bad cached
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 17 @ 0.09749 = 1.6573 BTC [-]
KRS-1: you're right
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.09749 BTC [-]
BTCOxygen: jcpham: Pm me if interested.
BTCOxygen: jborkl: I have been paing him from my profits.
BTCOxygen: ;;calc 3500/(150 * 30)
gribble: 0.777777777778
BTCOxygen: jcpham: ^^^
BTCOxygen: truffles: It sounds cool to me.
truffles: oprah already has oxygen network though
truffles: it would take getting used to
truffles: i just like bold names
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mircea_popescu: "I think rpietila is very close to establishing cult of personality. What MP achieves with mental coercion, rpietila does using humour, and with ease."
MJR_: lol
MJR_: who is that guy?
mircea_popescu: no srlsy, the bitcointalk forum is like... seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i totally have no idea.
MJR_: hmmm i think i am going to do an otc transaction
mircea_popescu: "some douche" is the best i got out of mpoe-pr
MJR_: or at least try
Technologov__: So what kind of assets are here?
Technologov__: Any good Bitcoins companies traded ?
Technologov__: start-ups ?
truffles: *crickets*
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 46 @ 0.0975 = 4.485 BTC [+]
MJR_: hmmm
MJR_: anyone here know of a quick cash option?
jborkl: I feel dumb for reading part of that reptelia thread
jborkl: reminds me why I do not read the forum
mircea_popescu: MJR_ what do you mean quick cash option ?
cylta: MJR_: pirate? but unfortunately he temporarly suspended his project =)
BTCOxygen: cylta: FYI, He permenently suspended his project.
mircea_popescu: stop spreading fud
cylta: BTCOxygen: <\irony>
Technologov__: who is "he" ?
Technologov__: And which project ?
inhies: mircea_popescu: wat cat
jurov: yes a cat is there, zoom moar
mircea_popescu: jurov has immunity.
inhies: slightly intoxicated
inhies: i see no cat
inhies: not even in teh slightest bit
Cylta: I see two cats =)
mircea_popescu: maybe if upside down ?
jurov: two cats at 10 o'clock
davout: i smell pussy
mircea_popescu: so wash.
davout: :3
inhies: ˙ɹǝʇʇǝq ɥɔnɯ s,ʇɐɥʇ ˙ʍou ʇı ǝǝs ı 'ʞo ɥɐ :nɔsǝdod‾ɐǝɔɹıɯ
topace: [11:27:57] You owe Topace 20 btc right?
topace: ^ indeed he does
inhies: i read that as Tupac
inhies: =/
mircea_popescu: that's intentional
mircea_popescu: he's trying to start a personality cult
truffles: thanks to CM Punk..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4244 = 2.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.21 = 4.84 BTC [-]
hellohello: can someone help me?))
kakobrekla: hello hellohello
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: pirateat40 was a scammer.
BTCOxygen: He ran away with the bitcoins.
Technologov__: ??? I never ever heard of him.
Technologov__: How an investor be a scammer ?
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: Yeah because he ran away long ago.
Technologov__: Either he invests or he does not.
BTCOxygen: He is not an Investor.
BTCOxygen: He was running the project.
Technologov__: then what ? Which project ?
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: He was paying a high interest rate to users who invested with him.
Technologov__: aha. Typical ponzi.
BTCOxygen: yep.
Technologov__: There is no risk-free interest above government bonds. Really.
Technologov__: maybe 3% at most.
Technologov__: As a small investor, I know it for sure.
Technologov__: Anything above that takes risk (and time).
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: FYI, He ran away with 100,000 Bitcoins.
Technologov__: YAY !
Technologov__: huge amount
Cylta: Technologov__: goverment bonds are not risk-free.
BTCOxygen: I don't want to do the math its painfull.
Technologov__: Cylta, why not ? gvmt can simply print money to return cash.
Technologov__: so it is risk-free.
mircea_popescu: heya hellohello
Technologov__: gvmt has no reason to default on own obligations.
Cylta: Technologov__: ahhh, in this meaning... yes. but money can default (or start to huperinflate)
BTCOxygen: ;;calc 100000*[ticker --avg]
gribble: 13572660.0
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: ^^^ Here is the math.
Technologov__: (only if they use someone else's money, like in Spain... those PIGS - pirtugal, italy, greece, spain)
Cylta: BTCOxygen: for such amount you should take 30d avg...
BTCOxygen: Also IIRC he converted bitcoins to USD as soon as he recieved them.
BTCOxygen: So hes not that rich.
Technologov__: converting 100,000 BTC takes time...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1791 @ 0.00278789 = 4.9931 BTC [-]
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: He recieved in small chunks with a total of 100,000 before he ran away.
mircea_popescu: not if you're in the wot. took him all of a day oir w./e
jcpham: 2 more weeks!
jcpham: Meanwhile, Butterfly Labs is nowhere near full production capacity. The company says that its systems will continue to trickle out, with another 75 to 150 shipping in the next few weeks.
jcpham: In the meantime, if you have an questions about the Butterfly Labs machine, send us an email.
mircea_popescu: ahaha noway
Cylta: jcpham: i think I heared it somewhere already...
jcpham: wired says fuck you
jcpham: if you think it's fake
Technologov__: BTCOxygen, and I have a fear about similar fate with Avalon ASICs
Technologov__: that's why I wanna wait until ppl will start receiving first batch units
Technologov__: + dev boards
Technologov__: I _do_ believe the ASICs are real
Technologov__: because of this: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
mircea_popescu: so when it turens out to be actually fakwe
Technologov__: But I highly doubt, that they will ship any.
mircea_popescu: i guess we all sue wired. this is good news.
mircea_popescu: conde nast actually has money, so...
mircea_popescu: i'm tickled pink over here.
Cylta: first batch of avalon already reached their customers, no?
Technologov__: More probably they will keep to themselves. (so their accepted BTC might be a scam)
jcpham: these guys at BFL are masters of hype
jcpham: i give them credit where it is due
mircea_popescu: jcpham its literally not that hard to do. get a journo dood to post nonsense ? 100 bux or w/e
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: There are 300 working units.
jcpham: but i mean like the company name is unassuming and disarming even "butterfly"
jcpham: wtf
BTCOxygen: I know 5-6 people personally who recieved their Avalon.
jcpham: it's all smoke and mirrors
jcpham: but they have produced a product
Technologov__: no. Only 3 developers IMO.
Technologov__: 1st batch Avalons did *not* reach end-users (buyers).
Technologov__: jcpham, I doubt if Avalon are better
Technologov__: where? At their company ?
jcpham: so i digress for now until it collapses
Technologov__: Show me 20 users, whom actually _received_ any ASICs.
Technologov__: I could not find not on forums and not in chat
Technologov__: But this graph: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
Technologov__: Clearly says that ASICs are for real.
jcpham: i know of 3 actual avalons
jcpham: and the owners and i've spoken with them
jcpham: that's it
jcpham: my world is small though
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: I mean I know end-users.
BTCOxygen: There are 5 Avalons mining at my pool tho.
Technologov__: but the risk-reward is potentially so high, that it is worth the (limited) risk.
BTCOxygen: I think even imsaguy has an Avalon.
Technologov__: hmm, good to know.
mircea_popescu: BTCOxygen which pool is that again ?
Technologov__: BTCOxygen :)
mircea_popescu: you telling me 5 avalons doesn't get you in the list ?
BTCOxygen: yes.
mircea_popescu: what's an avalon, 60gh ?
jcpham: 300GH/s barely gets blocks
jcpham: need moar
BTCOxygen: Also they don't list blocks properly.
BTCOxygen: 500GH/s
jcpham: how is 500 GH/s regular blocks?
jcpham: daily?
mircea_popescu: mk, otherwise : Top Hashers 63gh/s
mircea_popescu: seems there's one avalon there, and it does 80% or so of the pool ?
BTCOxygen: check*
jcpham: 100-400GH/s was struggling to keep up a few months back
jcpham: from talking with pool ops
jcpham: be interesting to see how it paces now
Technologov__: Now, the hash rate:
Technologov__: <-- Cylta has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
Technologov__: http://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate
Technologov__: If this graph would be flat, I would buy a GPU, and not believe into ASIC lore.
Technologov__: But due to huge spike, I believe, that ASICs actually exist.
BTCOxygen: mircea_popescu: I see 3 Avalons.
mircea_popescu: where ?
BTCOxygen: 2 users pointing 1/3 Avalon.
MJR_: otc is too stressful
KRS-1: must be BFL
error4733: testing for 4 month
KRS-1: my friend has some of their fpga stuff
mircea_popescu: #1 1510 62186
mircea_popescu: #2 1160 14981
mircea_popescu: #3 1210 14272
KRS-1: nice hardware
mircea_popescu: seems to me only 1st can be an avalon. right ?
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: you here?
jcpham: he has one BTCOxygen
BTCOxygen: mircea_popescu: 1st is full Avalon.
BTCOxygen: The other 2 are 1/3 Avalon.
jcpham: imsogay owns an avalon
Technologov__: 1/3 avalon ? hmm... 20 GH/s ?
BTCOxygen: Also there a many users posting about their Avalon on bitcointalk.
Technologov__: hmm...
mircea_popescu: 1/3 avalon ?!
imsaguy: wut
mircea_popescu: who dioes this lol
BTCOxygen: Its a cgminer feature.
imsaguy: load balancing of cgminer
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: Yeah.
imsaguy: why did you highlight me?
mircea_popescu: he would like to have your babies.
BTCOxygen: imsaguy: How many Avalon users do you know?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.2 = 4.8 BTC [+]
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: that is quite impossible
imsaguy: BTCOxygen: a few.
jurov: you have been accues of having onw yourself
jurov: *accused
ezdiy: owning an asic is accusation now
ezdiy: hmm
jcpham: my bad
jcpham: i tell lies on the internet for fun
jcpham: no one owns asic
Technologov__: some ppl do. proof ?
jcpham: facedesk.
Technologov__: jcpham, http://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate
jcpham: that's just a chart
jcpham: those numbers could be made up
BTCOxygen: Anyone who clains that there are no Avalons in the wild should read this whole thread.
ezdiy: jurov: i think the rational explanation would be: give impression you want to get asics "out there so people dont lose trust" but in fact keep it private for as long as possible :)
Technologov__: going from 20 to 80 GH/s (in a MONTH !!!) can not be done via GPU.
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: yes.
jcpham: cpu mining botnet probably Technologov__
BTCOxygen: lol
jcpham: ;)
Technologov__: jcpham, LOL ! How u tried mining on CPU ?
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: rpcminr :P
jcpham: nah pool won't accept a share for shit
Technologov__: it is 100 times slower than GPU and 100,000 times slower than ASIC
jcpham: hurrrrrr
mircea_popescu: the conspiracy is strong in here.
Technologov__: CPU mining will cost you x100 more in electricity than Bitcoins you produce...
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: +100 for having that knowledge.
jcpham: i bet it's confusing talking to me.
jcpham: i believe asic exists. yes.
jurov: but really, i see it like either many asic users want to stay secret, or they are chinese not on btctalk
ezdiy: seeing is believing
jurov: or manufacturers mine themselves instead
jcpham: yeah the technology has made it like this
Technologov__: I would invest in ASIC company yes, but I dunno any.
jcpham: a device that makes thousands of bucks a day potentially is a security risk
ezdiy: jurov: even chinese guys reported selective vip treatment in regards to shipments from avalon
Technologov__: if BTCOxygen can find any, I might invest (@_@)
ezdiy: 404
ezdiy: but title sounds interesting
jcpham: damnit
jcpham: i cut off the numbers
error4733: saw that before !! some ppl make key with picture on flicker !!
jcpham: pretty dumb for a prison
ezdiy: maybe it was recruitment practice of mossad
jcpham: not sure a single master key falls under byzantine failover
ezdiy: you know, sieve through thousands of retarded criminals to find one smart enough
jcpham: perfect storm, a jeweler, a criminal, and a book
BTCOxygen: Technologov__: Oh I found a very interesting thread for you.
error4733: oz story lol
truffles: oz is goat prison show
BTCOxygen: Here one user posted pictures of his Avalon.
BTCOxygen: Anyone who is not sure if Avalon will ship should read this thread from page 1 to 11.
truffles: "This bird has flown" such a boss
Technologov__:
truffles: knew theyd ship em, not rich enough to buy em
Technologov__: truffles, u can invest in Avalon here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=184305.0
truffles: dont have any bitcoins
Technologov__: I did not had either until a week ago ^^
Technologov__: I bought them via Western Union.
Technologov__: at #bitcoin-otc
Technologov__: because my $3000 Rig PC generates only 0.001 BTC per day.
Technologov__: (on dual GPUs)
benkay: just two?
benkay: ;)
Technologov__: yeah, only 2.
Technologov__: and what ? I worked at Cisco Systems. There are *much* more cables there. I assure you.
Technologov__: any large company has a data-center those days.
truffles: knew ppl who just gushed over cisco systems..
benkay: ew gross owning your own data centers
benkay: great way to keep your sysadmin costs high
benkay: <-- cloud ops
truffles: say no to skynet?
benkay: meh
benkay: depends on how we code it
benkay: if we write it to minimize entropy, that would be cool
jcpham: You rated user diatonic on Mon Mar 11 14:26:46 2013, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Attempted and pre-paid for 24 hour mining lease. Unforseeable circumstances changed our plans..
jcpham: wtf
jcpham: my paste is just doing it's own thing today
truffles: copy paste fail?
Scrat: ;;slap jcpham
jcpham: mmmmhmmmm'
Technologov__: truffles, what I'm trying to say, is that you can invest even without having Bitcoins. Just must buy them.
Technologov__: And as any start-up investments, it brings you a certain amount of risk-reward.
truffles: if i were a rich person id have no problems investing ofc, alas im not
Technologov__: come on... it is all about mind-set. Don't needs to be rich ^^
truffles: isnt that why i would invest though
truffles: pile up my stacks
Technologov__: with what ?
truffles: stacks
Technologov__: That investment is a new company.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.02000, Best ask: 137.21000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 137.02000, 24 hour volume: 255394.07450224, 24 hour low: 120.08900, 24 hour high: 157.00000, 24 hour vwap: 135.59396
Technologov__: that will purchase and run Avalons for you
Technologov__: and send you proceeds
truffles: im not a potential investor sorry
Technologov__: so you don't need to waste time/lectricity/head-ache, customs bureaucracy and so forth
truffles: im here to discuss anything else if u wish
Technologov__: OK
truffles: even local dominatrix's if u wish
Technologov__: But isn't bitcoin-assets all about investing ?
truffles: not rly
mircea_popescu: investing != throwing money.
truffles: bunch of penis waving
Technologov__: about what ?
Technologov__: mircea_popescu, no one is throwing money. Just taking risks.
Technologov__: which is not the same
Cylta: mircea_popescu: is it illigal to buy\sell mpex accounts?
mircea_popescu: Cylta nope.
mircea_popescu: dubious from a security pov maybe
jcpham: i love it when doms throw money at me
Technologov__: I can take risk, but I like to be paid for it.
Guest00001: mp no way to change pgp key ?
Guest00001: if asked ?
truffles: i love it when doms throw money at me >>> go on
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.18 BTC [-]
jcpham: freak
truffles: haha
mircea_popescu: well you can register a new one and push to it.
error4733: just 30 btc
truffles: whats the fee supposed to cover cost wise?
truffles: 30 seems extreme
benkay: truffles, how much does a seat on the NYSE cost?
benkay: and truffles, how is that related to their operating costs?
benkay: rhetorical questions. too much for you to afford, and it's not.
truffles: lol
truffles: i guess one must pay for a seat ..
truffles: seeing that this is bitcoin i thought things would be a bit different
benkay: they are different
benkay: you encrypt orders with gpg
benkay: print them out
benkay: fly them to romania on a carrier pigeon
asciilifeform: benkay: may as well ask how the cost of a NYC taxi medallion relates to the cost of the bureaucrat's pen that signs the paperwork.
mircea_popescu: fucking unfair comparison of the century. i hate taxi medallions.
benkay: except that the bureaucrat doesn't own the medallion organization, the mob does
ezdiy: truffles: vipcoin is confusing, but otherwise legit
benkay: but i think we're making the same points.
ezdiy: truffles: here is exact process how 30 bitcoins are turned into vipcoin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBOw88ksXA
mircea_popescu: what's vipcoin even ?!
benkay: and yet vipcoin doesn't break top page google
truffles: sounded like a legit altcoin
Technologov__: BTCOxygen, ping
truffles: hope this song is good
asciilifeform: IMHO taxi medallions are a fair comparison. They, just as the MPEx fee, exist to keep the riffraff out.
ezdiy: truffles: seek 1:40 for teenage girl
truffles: assuming i like girls
asciilifeform: Were it not for medallions, NYC would probably look like Shanghai (rickshaws, etc.) I'm fine with that, but the rulers of the place evidently aren't
ezdiy: teenage is the important part
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're neglecting the entire geographical monopoly angle.
asciilifeform: MP has said, in essence, that he doesn't want MPEx to become a Shanghai crawling with the equivalent of rickshaws.
asciilifeform: If I understand correctly
truffles: exclusive club
ezdiy: yet payola is the realm of criminal forums
ezdiy: so which is it?
ezdiy: :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't have a problem with rickshaws per se.
mircea_popescu: there's historically been small corps listed, it's not that.
truffles: i enjoyed it
ezdiy: well
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we were talking about the 30 BTC user account fee, right? rather than listings
ezdiy: thats what vip is about
ezdiy: teenage girls, database management and company lunches
truffles: i just want the lunches
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's easy access for someone even with 0.1 btc. there's pts, there's brokers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.4248 = 5.0976 BTC [+]
ezdiy: truffles: no soup for you
ezdiy: i think mircea_popescu plays the soupnazi part well
benkay: no no no, the role of taxi medallions is to reduce the number of taxis on the street
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's like saying that "eTrade" with its $x/trade fees is a perfectly good alternative to a seat on the NYSE
mircea_popescu: well... would you say seat on nyse = london cab medallion ?
mircea_popescu: ezdiy ty
truffles: truffles: no soup for you >> soup nazi!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure
benkay: mircea_popescu would be only too happy to have more traders on his exchange, he just doesn't want to deal with the riffraff. he wants others to aggregate riffraff orders and place them on MPEx.
benkay: at least I think that's what he wants. open to correction on that count.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well then everything's everything and wtf.
mircea_popescu: benkay there was some pretty good discussion with pgp on this, lemme d ig
benkay: thanks mircea_popescu, feel free to pm it over
truffles: wants more money and people to agree with whatever he says
asciilifeform: benkay: riffraff interested in automated trading are more or less written out of the script. MP runs his own house how he likes, I'm fine with that. But why not call things by their real names.
benkay: asciilifeform what's the real name, then? medallions are a competition inhibitor, the exchange seat fee is just an "are you serious" check
benkay: it's not even that much money
ezdiy: asciilifeform: real names are bad for pr
truffles: its working
orkaa: haha
asciilifeform: benkay: the bureaucrats (in practice) own NYC, and charge whatever the hell they want for taxi licenses. a bar can charge for entrance. nothing wrong with that. what I'm unclear on is why the MP fee is a different kind of animal.
truffles: omg what is that orkaa!!!
ezdiy: orkaa: +1 for underage, -1 not naked
ezdiy: asciilifeform: thats how it works
orkaa: i saw this on tv some time ago, it's real :)
ezdiy: asciilifeform: in general its called vendor lock-in
truffles: orkaa add metzitzah b'peh and its complete
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there a way i can run a cab in london just for a day ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I imagine you could buy a medallion and sell it the next day, if you wanted to
asciilifeform: just like an MPEx account
mircea_popescu: can you actually sell those ?
benkay: probably
mircea_popescu: maybe the disagreement is borne out of me not understanding taxi medallions too well.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: IDK about London, but in most places you can
mircea_popescu: afaik it's just this nonsense to keep people who would like to work off
mircea_popescu: sorta like a union
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: If I recall, most NYC drivers take out monstrous loans to buy medallions.
benkay: most don't even buy the medallions
benkay: others do
benkay: ibankers and whatnot
ezdiy: why people who dont understand basic market forces (if you have little competition, it makes sense to introduce artificial scarcity) want to trade on mpex?
mircea_popescu: ezdiy that absolutely isn't the rationale.
truffles: back him into a corner here
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: occam is cutting his veins though :)
mircea_popescu: i know.
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: i'm not dismissing it, whatever the reason its totally legit
mircea_popescu: the problem with cheapo/clueless investors is that they follow trends
mircea_popescu: this induces huge volatility which then wrecks assets.
asciilifeform: ezdiy: I'm not clamouring to buy an MPEx account for a penny, just objecting to the notion that the fee is somehow different from taxi medallions
mircea_popescu: i still think it is.
benkay: I agree.
benkay: not all customers are good customers.
benkay: and when money is involved as a core part of the business, many of your customers will in fact be bad customers without quality control.
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: you do that at the cost of huge spreads though
ezdiy: as long people are content with those, well why not
ezdiy: your idea of rate limiting the market holds water
mircea_popescu: well the problem with the "as long as people are content" argument
mircea_popescu: is that it's how we ended up with shit on tv.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: How would you personally explain the apparent lack of competition to MPEx? Is it simply the fact that no one else has the "reputation capital" ?
mircea_popescu: people have this incredible ability to "be content" with anything. frog in boiling water experiment if you know it.
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: yup
ezdiy: boil em slow :)
truffles: reputation hhaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a complicated web. no one has the competence, or the capital, or the reputation, or the connections, etc etc
mircea_popescu: they just feed into each other.
asciilifeform: truffles: I meant the banal fact that MPEx works as it says on the box, and none of the vaguely similar services proved to do the same
jborkl: Mp, has a stellar reputation. Unless you beleive asshole trolls and other people that are poor
mircea_popescu: i think people grossly misrepresent what all is involved.
ezdiy: clouds can be cleared up only if youre open about it
ezdiy: heck even bitcoinica eventually became opensource :)
ezdiy: so people are ok w/ bitfinex because its obvious what theyre dealing with
ezdiy: black boxes give room to a lot of speculation
asciilifeform: Ok, let's see if I understand: the 30 BTC is for keeping MPEx a market full of people who measure 1000 times "before cutting once." No trendoids, etc. Now let's say Warren Buffet (or somesuch) opens WBEx, charging 1 BTC.
ezdiy: as well as affiliate marketing schemes for vipcoin
asciilifeform: it fills up with trendoids
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem with your let's suppose is that it's nonsensical.
mircea_popescu: last thing he'd do is that.
mircea_popescu: he'd open a 1000 btc one first, he'd partner with me 2nd.
asciilifeform: ok, someone else with a bag full of BTC and a resonably good meatspace reputation, then.
mircea_popescu: but do you understand your own example ?
mircea_popescu: buffy is famous for having told his bh specialist
mircea_popescu: "if the next trade happens a year or so from now i'll be very happy"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.7051 = 3.4102 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: what I'm rather hazy on is how well MPEx would hold up against a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam" (AFAIK none of the MPEx competitors have met this standard)
ezdiy: it holds pretty well
truffles: make em sweat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure what the incentive is exactly. you'd finance a clone rather than buy shares because ... ?
jborkl: Wait, I trust MP - so who is this you are proposing? Just some random asshole with a website?
mircea_popescu: s.dice competition never materialised EXACTLY because s.dice listed.
mircea_popescu: once that happened it's impossible to finance a clone anymore.
truffles: impossible nice word
asciilifeform: jborkl: no, not a random arse, someone with a good reputation, hypothetically
ezdiy: people really underestimate network effects
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]
jborkl: there is no one with enough sense and enough money currently
ezdiy: sdice, mtgox and mpex are examples of such
jborkl: strike one and two
mircea_popescu: so srsly asciilifeform, let's say your reputation is enoug, and you have 10k btc to burn.
mircea_popescu: you decide it has to burn in this space.
asciilifeform: jborkl: true, just as there is no semiconductor plant owner with the good sense to drop some of his pocket change on building a million ASIC miners and running them in his own mansion.
ezdiy: jborkl: competition eventually overcomes the network effect resistance
ezdiy: jborkl: inb4 bitvegas ipo
mircea_popescu: a. you buy s.mpoe shares b. you try and make a competitor.
mircea_popescu: which is your pick ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: By this logic Pepsi ought not to exist, they should just re-sell Coke?
mircea_popescu: they do.
ezdiy: they do? :)
jborkl: a shitty clone of it
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: how do i buy cola in kfc :)
ezdiy: what if bitvegas started kfc
ezdiy: and bundled their cola with it?
ezdiy: would it make sense to invest in mpex then?
mircea_popescu: im unsure wtf bitvegas is.
mircea_popescu: o the team fortress thing ?
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: :)
ezdiy: its easy to measure growth
ezdiy: where it is stalled and where it is not
jborkl: anyway, what time exactly do options expire MP? in UTC?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there could be logical reasons for starting one's own "MPEx, with blackjack and hookers." Say I want to use evil altchains. And, AFAIK MPEx shares are non-voting, so it isn't that I could buy enough of them to make MP do this deed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now you're talking angles.
mircea_popescu: originally discussion was straight clone.
mircea_popescu: if you mean start a competitor with an angle, it all boils down to whether the angle a. actually helps you and b. is good enouigh to push you
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: copycats work perfectly good
ezdiy: be the underdog and wait for the uber dogs demise
ezdiy: lets see ... gblse?
ezdiy: :)
truffles: thats impossible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok, let's stick to clones. Picture Bill Gates, a hypothetical BGEx with a 5 BTC fee.
mircea_popescu: ezdiy again people underestimate what goes on in the background.
ezdiy: truffles: not by market forces, but by something stupid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and he's doing this on pgp ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7513 @ 0.00070108 = 5.2672 BTC [+]
truffles: was being silly :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure, I agree, this is a stretch of the imagination. but let's imagine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, pgp.
mircea_popescu: ok this i wish to see.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: AFAIK you don't have a monopoly on PGP
ezdiy: asciilifeform: you're wasting your time, btw
mircea_popescu: so bill gates is making a mpex clone complete with pgp and everything.
mircea_popescu: +1000 points for me for being so cool. will any of the big people switch to him ? maybe so. maybe not.
mircea_popescu: i can probably exit to jpm for a billion at that point anyway.
ezdiy: mp stands, but might possibly fall, because mircea_popescu is uber consistent in everything
ezdiy: which also means you cant convince him by make believe arguments
mircea_popescu: at which poin tyhe deal becomes jpmpex vs bgex
mircea_popescu: and i gues jpmpex wins
mircea_popescu: i won't be there to see it likely, but anyway.
ezdiy: asciilifeform: the general term is jerk irl :)
truffles: i think he'll last a while, he has minions
ezdiy: yep
ezdiy: the bitch army is impressive
ezdiy: :)
asciilifeform: ezdiy: I think you misunderstand. I'm not trying to convince MP of anything in particular. Just playing out a thought experiment: what would happen if MPEx actually had competition.
ezdiy: jurov: ohai!
truffles: yep im impressed
ezdiy: truffles: rpietila took it from the other end
ezdiy: mp first build something tangible, then the bitch army
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what on earth is a Bitcoin Supernode?
kakobrekla: yes!
ezdiy: rpietila is apparently starting with the bitch army and maybe turn out to be not elaborate troll and come up with something
mircea_popescu: ezdiy it's kinda funny to compare "pic of mp with people" vs "pic of foreveralone btctalk dud"
truffles: do u know he put mircea_popescu on ignore right after we were going to "debate" something he posted our comments on his blog then i refused to subscribe, right around the time he paid people to troll SomthingAwful forums
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: indeed :)
truffles: he =mp
kakobrekla: rpietila had too much cocaine
ezdiy: so much shame goat burned the cover
ezdiy: that thread was so full of gold
mircea_popescu: totally.
truffles: link?
mircea_popescu: goat gets confused in troll gold threads.
truffles: thanks kakobrekla
ezdiy: still
ezdiy: interesting phenomena
ezdiy: bitch armies, whiteknighting and all
ezdiy: because those are irrelevant
kakobrekla: i quote
kakobrekla: Think of this as a book, or at least as a quality blog, to be enjoyed with quality wine and cigars in candle light.
ezdiy: important is only network effect
kakobrekla: comedy central in that setting?
ezdiy: take mtgox, fe, everyone agrees their stuff is sub-par
ezdiy: no bitch army, everybody hates magicaltux's guts
ezdiy: yet its the biggest
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol candlelight and screen. sounds legit
ezdiy: kakobrekla: yup, thats how i understood it
ezdiy: i mean, the guy clearly stated to be not taken seriously
ezdiy: so hey
ezdiy: and then gives free advice of mid-range silver vendor
ezdiy: i'm ok with that
kakobrekla: oooo
kakobrekla: this delivers
jcpham: silver stackin
kakobrekla: imma gona print a shitload of qr codes
kakobrekla: stick it allover me
jcpham: i'll take pics of your qr codes and baby giraffe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4781 = 0.9562 BTC [+]
jcpham: oppulence
truffles: important is only network effect >> i dunno hypocrisy is annoying
ezdiy: truffles: what do you mean?
truffles: one set of behavior is okay for some people and diff rules apply for others
ezdiy: no, still nothing
ezdiy: truffles: world is full of hypocrisy
truffles: to be feigned a bit in "polite society" id hope :)
ezdiy: well, there is that thing
truffles: i have no quality wine and cigars in candle light maybe i should stop reading
ezdiy: truffles: being a bitch means you strongly defend your cult figure while youre subject ot heir will
mircea_popescu: i thought it just meant being annoying.
ezdiy: truffles: being polite just means not giving a crap about things you cant change
ezdiy: for example, opionons
truffles: hehe
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: from the pov of dictator, it is :)
truffles: i like to hear them though
ezdiy: subjects are always annyoing
ezdiy: you know
truffles: i think those ppl have tunnel vision, they wont get it
ezdiy: they have their stupid feelings and such
mircea_popescu: i dunno what dictators you've been hanging out with...
truffles: although mp certainly wont if he's got me on ignore hehe
ezdiy: cognitive dissonance is to be cherished
ezdiy: to manipulate
ezdiy: but its uber annoying at the same time
ezdiy: truffles: i think mp is strongwilled enough to just feign ignore
ezdiy: curiosity and strong will results just not responding :)
truffles: i doubt that
truffles: im just annoyed we couldnt "debate" before the ignore ...
ezdiy: truffles: better come up with some plot
ezdiy: to ignite the nuclear war again
truffles: haha
ezdiy: between soupnazi and kim jong un of finland
truffles: im focused on other times so its not a big deal
mircea_popescu: this is making so little sense...
truffles: im not a schemer or scammer
saulimus: why finland?
ezdiy: its the new bitcoin supernode
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: i'm yuzhe, btw
kakobrekla: i wish reptil dude would come around
ezdiy: "some douche", pfft
ezdiy: tell her shes fugly
ezdiy: kakobrekla: the circle would be complete!
mircea_popescu: man... i have no idea what's going on.
truffles: wow
truffles: ezdiy ure an interesting dude
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, truffles is speaking
truffles: bet they still dont get it
mircea_popescu: so who's yuhzer
SlipperySlope: mircea_popescu, can you say when the April MOPE statement will be published?
ezdiy: this is yuzhe :)
mircea_popescu: SlipperySlope yes, in a few hours
SlipperySlope: many thanks!
mircea_popescu: usually within a little of the last friday of the month ending
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.246999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.4649 = 6.0437 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.101736 = 0.6104 BTC [+]
topace: incase anyone is curious, i solved the IP address leak from emails problem i was talking about yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7899 BTC [+]
topace: the soluttion, is, essentially to run your own mailserver, on a separate ip (that will be revealed publicly) and have it strip the appropriate headers out of the messages as they fly thorugh
topace: worked like a c harm
topace: charm
mircea_popescu: sounds like a winner.
MJR_: ugh, otc is just such a scam fest
MJR_: its not worth the hassle
mircea_popescu: i've not been there since
mircea_popescu: o hey. since last april.
MJR_: birthday cake!
kakobrekla: hehe
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.246999 = 2.494 BTC [+]
jcpham: LOOK AT MY JEFE
jcpham: he has the optional laser thermal vision
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.7051 = 3.4102 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: all the fun happens on forums :(
MJR_: the coolest guys in Bitcoin Universe
jborkl: when we start talking about mB?
MJR_: i don't know
MJR_: so far he is the only one i've seen do that
kakobrekla: thats in the other room #bitcoin-massets
kakobrekla: or #mbitcoin-assets
kakobrekla: whatever is it.
jborkl: or w\e it is- MPEX membership 30 milliion billion
KRS-1: #bitcoin-anal
kakobrekla: im reading reptilas posts and numbers but i still cant figure out is he rich or poor?
KRS-1: EL JEFE
kakobrekla: numbers are big
kakobrekla: but the units are kinda small
kakobrekla: %confused%
jborkl: too confusing for me, I think he has 2.4 Bitcoins
jcpham: what is this thread
jcpham: i'm readin kakobrekla
kakobrekla: hehe
jcpham: i don't even
jcpham: HOLY SHIT that guys running a 1.5 Class Supernode!
jborkl: wtf does that even mean?
jcpham: it's pretty badass
jcpham: if you haven't been paying attention
jborkl: I know what a class 1A Supernova is
jcpham: i know you want to be better than him but you can't
jborkl: but not a class 1.5 supernode
jcpham: shrug
jborkl: so is a class 1.2 supernode better or a class 1.7?
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure if that helps explain or makes it worse
kakobrekla: how did you not know this
kakobrekla: are you completley uneducated?
kakobrekla: its like.. basic stuff!
ThickAsThieves: my impression is the guy is a car salesman
jcpham: ahahaha
jcpham: this is so good
jcpham: where did you find this
ThickAsThieves: he says all kindsa fancy things to impress idiots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9176 @ 0.00070108 = 6.4331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10775 @ 0.00070158 = 7.5595 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: in the hopes of selling them a lemon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7149 @ 0.00070497 = 5.0398 BTC [+]
jborkl: That made it worse, made no sense
jborkl: lol
jcpham: and he donated to the forum
jcpham: !
jcpham: President etc. of Silvervault, Hopea.fi, EIH among others.
jcpham: seriously "among others" is vain
jcpham: i can pick apart a sentence
jcpham: i like this guy
jborkl: badge of scammer, donated to forum
MJR_: badge of scammer among others
jborkl: Seeing $115 ever again seems unlikely to me.
jcpham: could just be cultural differences
jborkl: his quote
lippoper: ;;bids 115
jborkl: it hit that yesterday
gribble: There are currently 33575.454 bitcoins demanded at or over 115.0 USD, worth 4106373.85398 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds
jborkl: lol
jcpham: yeah we're one trade from $115 at all times
lippoper: if you sell $4 million worht, it'll come up
jcpham: one trade that sets off the rest of them
lippoper: ;;market sell 33575
jcpham: then gox gets ddosed
gribble: A market order to sell 33575 bitcoins right now would net 4106321.6274 USD and would take the last price down to 115.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 122.3030 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 42.8787 seconds
jcpham: then bitstamp closes
jborkl: lets see if I have this correct
jcpham: then bitinstant gets ddosd
jcpham: easy $115
lippoper: then another exchange shuts down
jcpham: that's more like $50
jborkl: sell a little at MTGOX, ddos MTGOX, then use the trollbox on btce
jcpham: but whatever
jborkl: $50 drop
jcpham: yeah 6 of us can make 115 happen
jcpham: if we put our heads together
lippoper: you mean coins together
jcpham: or that
jcpham: he doesn't understand yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4549 = 2.7294 BTC [-]
jborkl: his class 1.5 superchoad does not rely on the network for price though..
kakobrekla: supertoad is disqualified.
kakobrekla: withdrawals depricated.
jborkl: better upgrade to aa class 1.4 superchoad just to be sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4499 = 1.3497 BTC [-]
jurov: am back, had another interesting btc-related discussion irl with a forex trader... so hard to explain how things work there
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.247 = 2.494 BTC [+]
jurov: hi ezdiy
jurov: he was like "you should haste, large players will come and make mp do their bidding"
jurov: when i explained my problems with mpex interface, why the development is so slow
jurov: btw, expect options on coinbr to be frozen on opex for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2201 @ 0.00070497 = 1.5516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7 @ 0.00299999 = 0.021 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: my impression is the guy is a car salesman <<< lol that makes us 2
kakobrekla: aww jurov you should send him to me
jurov: i will. but he's also webdesigner, willing to help me
mircea_popescu: forex trader slash web designer ?
mircea_popescu: i got "sorry, this tweet is too retarded for you to read. twitter does not allow very retarded tweets be read."
mircea_popescu: should i worry ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.246 = 2.492 BTC [-]
mod6: Price pegs never work -- why is that not clear to people, especially Max!?
Girlfawkesy: I love the reply to him though.
mircea_popescu: mod6 he's jealous that i pegged the bitcoin to the dollar at ~100
mod6: Heheheh.
mircea_popescu: apparently went out of his "omg 400 500 1546975867"
jurov: hes just trolling
mircea_popescu: course the retards that follow him can't remember 15 days ago so it's all good.
mod6: I liked him better when he only mentioned Bitcoin once in a while.. when he got all "bitcoin jesus" on everyone I'm like, you're not helping, you're just pushing people into something they don't understand yet.
mod6: And now, price pegs for bitcoin???! Eff no. Bitcoin is the last bastion of economic freedom in the world.
jurov: besides, it was already pegged to $5 some 9-10 months ago. but then pirate vanished.
jurov: dunno if fed can do a better job than pirate
mod6: there isn't any reason that there should be a price peg for such a thing. And besides what would be the point of options on bitcoins if the price was pegged?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1927 BTC [-]
mod6: i dont see the $5 level as a peg, it certainly wasn't stated anywhere, it was just suppression, and undervalued
jurov: jkjk
kakobrekla: you know that scam movie 'the secret'
kakobrekla: let me tell you, its the other way around
mod6: haha, no. but, lol
mod6: smh
jurov: but it would be really fanny for bernanke to have to calm markets when gox lag happens
kakobrekla: when you want fiat there is none, but when you got too much they throw it in your face
jurov: btw, did oprah endorse btc already?
kakobrekla: no, that was dr. phil
ThickAsThieves: she's still waiting for blockchain sync
jurov: i heard she has serious whales in audience
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45199 @ 0.00070749 = 31.9778 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im holding out for roger and cunty lee
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [+]
Girlfawkesy: lol @ thick
mod6: anyway, just had to come in here and vent a bit about this stuff.
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone doesn't know Girlfawkesy, she's an actual girl. send her all your btc.
ThickAsThieves: what does she pay in in divs?
mod6: I mean, if anything, why not just peg like 1 satoshi to a certain unit of gold? Then it would have a sudo-peg via gold, correct?
jurov: did she qualify in topless?
ThickAsThieves: the peg idea is so moronic I bet we couldnt have come up with it if we were trying to be morons
kakobrekla: im wondering why is there no MaxCoin yet
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he hasn't figured out the fork yet.
mircea_popescu: still working on spoon
mod6: ThickAsThieves: ok thank you. I was feeling pretty stupified for a few minutes there.
Girlfawkesy: <~~~ actual vagina
mircea_popescu: ;;google pegging
mod6: lol still working on spoon
gribble: Pegging (sexual practice) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Pegging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; If You Want a More Thoughtful Boyfriend, Try Pegging Him - Jezebel:
mircea_popescu: there. pegging. a sexual practice.
mircea_popescu: ginger up max's ass
Girlfawkesy: Actually, I was thinking about making a pegging set, but I dunno how thrilling that would be for you boys
jurov: mod6 satoshi's already practically pegged to some miliwatt or microwatt anyway
mod6: jurov: ahh, hmm.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2466 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but elec cost is variable too
mod6: I like the idea of only supply/demand governing the price, btc needs natural price signals.
ThickAsThieves: maybe we can peg it to untapped vagina inches?
ThickAsThieves: or centimters if you prefer
jurov: stfu ThickAsThieves with your imperial units
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00281 BTC [+]
GirlfawkesyBTC: Use black vaginas and not asian vaginas
GirlfawkesyBTC: they're deeper
jurov: mp already presciently did the calculations on trilema
jurov: he'll prolly announce derivatives any moment
GirlfawkesyBTC: And MP, you were right, I forgot how much better a proper irc client is than the stupid webchat.
mircea_popescu: you're welcum
ThickAsThieves: [17:16] Use black vaginas and not asian vaginas <--- no one likes colored coins tho
mircea_popescu: bwahaha
kakobrekla: connection overload
mircea_popescu: pff selfowned
ThickAsThieves: i tell my rackspace cloud manager to fix permissions on one folder and i get a wall of text about FACLs :(
mod6: (14:01) < jurov> hes just trolling << i guess this could be true.
mod6: people are so clueless about finance though, that you'd think that he'd try to stay more serious about the subject.
mircea_popescu: ;;tcker
gribble: Error: "tcker" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.30001, Best ask: 136.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29999, Last trade: 136.60000, 24 hour volume: 168982.74808586, 24 hour low: 121.45164, 24 hour high: 149.87970, 24 hour vwap: 134.31450
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 233309 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 546 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9981977.43545 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.22853
mod6: wow 11.22853
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 76784.2992817
ThickAsThieves: not bad
ThickAsThieves: mp, will options be a lil less timid to volatility next session?
mircea_popescu: indeed.
ThickAsThieves: cool cool
mircea_popescu: actually pilot new model should be coming online soonish
kakobrekla: but now btc will be 137 foreva
kakobrekla: pegged.
jurov: like "what if 137 is the new 5?"
GirlfawkesyBTC: until the next major country to undergo economic collapse...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1925 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: who is next on the list, somalia?
GirlfawkesyBTC: Spain isnt looking well these days
jurov: how can somalia further collapse?
kakobrekla: jurov my somalia.
jurov: oh at least slovakia can't collapse. cuz slovak banks all collapsed long ago, all we have are foreign subsidiaries
jurov: no stock market in bratislava, either
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4257 = 1.7028 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;ticker h vtx
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
kakobrekla: !ticker h vtx
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.40070002 / 0.4458272 / 0.48249899 (224 shares, 99.86529265 BTC), 7D: 0.36100100 / 0.45177942 / 0.49750000 (1178 shares, 532.19615862 BTC), 30D: 0.18000000 / 0.40389269 / 0.61488800 (6234 shares, 2517.86702390 BTC)
kakobrekla: vtx is kinda funny
kakobrekla: trading allover the place
jurov: and MPBPT closed at 0.098 (nominal value is 0.1) and no bids anymore... quite chilling mkt anticipation
KRS1: slovakia is NOT somalia
kakobrekla: too late nao!
mircea_popescu: KRS1 stop scamming us. we know.
KRS1: ok..
jurov: krs1 is not scammer, just being anal
jurov: dunno, should i try to place 0.07 bid for mpbpt and cause panic?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4261 BTC [+]
mod6: (14:32) < jurov> like "what if 137 is the new 5?" << http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3u499x/
mod6: :D
jurov: mod6 thx had exactly that in mind...throwing it to -otc
jurov: should have thought about that mpbpt panic yesterday...i'm so slow recently
jurov: also vat report was due yesterday, fck that...
mod6: (14:44) < jurov> mod6 thx had exactly that in mind...throwing it to -otc << haha nice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4599 BTC [+]
jurov: so, you can expect coinbr to get seized by slovak tax office over vat not due in time :/
mod6: no wai?
mod6: wtf is vat?
mircea_popescu: drama added taxc
jurov: ^ yea. socialist yurp stuff
GirlfawkesyBTC: value added tax
mod6: oh value added ta
mod6: *tax
GirlfawkesyBTC: bullshit compound tax
jurov: i'm gonna have llc with external accounting, looking forward to it
jurov: then, blow & hookers
GirlfawkesyBTC: sigh...when am I going to get all my hookers?
mod6: hopefully soon.
mod6: jurov: but coinbr will live on, just a different structure 'eh
thestringpuller: wait coinbr is down?
thestringpuller: waaaat?
jurov: no, i'm jking
jurov: you can't access it?
thestringpuller: no I misunderstood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4499 = 1.7996 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7051 BTC [-]
jurov: it's normal to be a bit late with tax declaration, no criminal stuff
jurov: plus i don't have anything to declare recently anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.7997 = 5.3991 BTC [+]
mod6: well good deal. Sail strong Coinbr!
jurov: i should kick myself every time i'm thinking of such dangerous jokes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4449 BTC [-]
GirlfawkesyBTC: As a side note, thank you to everyone who has been politely educating me today. I've been away from btc for awhile, and before I throw myself into coinbr or other trading I'd like to feel rather competent.
jurov: "Before I throw myself into ... I'd like to feel rather competent." <<< I'm gonna to use this, thx
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 168990.8 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 14632147.5237 USD in total. | Data vintage: 70.0259 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
gribble: There are currently 69365.632 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 11722826.2462 USD in total. | Data vintage: 77.9878 seconds
GirlfawkesyBTC: I'm guessing thats something not many people do?
benkay: GirlfawkesyBTC do you plan to trade actively?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7051 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: take that as a no.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.237 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: GBBG is MUCH MORE then the fund. The fund was started exclusively for members to give them something extra before the core GBBG product is released. The core product has been in development for more than 10 years.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.24 = 12.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24699 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: the what
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.247 = 3.741 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2479 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.248 = 3.744 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.249 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.25 = 3.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.258 = 12.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2879 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.288 = 6.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.289 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.29 = 12.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.299 = 9.093 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: when asicminer said they would put 12-15TH online some month(s) ago, the price rose from .6 to .9, now that they are actually doing it, it goes from .9 to 1.3
mircea_popescu: cool story huh.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much a truly pro btc co would fetch
ThickAsThieves: at 1.3, isn't it gonna take like a year or something to get that much in divs?
ThickAsThieves: price will keep going up, no worries!
ThickAsThieves: in 3mos we'll have people saying "yeah but in USD we're still up!"
mircea_popescu: i'm sorta preparing a bucket of lulz for the first contractual dispute which won't be resolvable for lack of an actual contract.
ThickAsThieves: like how some of the shares were unsold?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what'll it be, but...
mircea_popescu: the entire thing has a lot of promise baked in
joecool: they are very fucked lol
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o wow had no idea
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: 132.26
SlipperySlope: mircea_popescu, will you please mention something here when the April MPOE statement is posted on Trilema?
mircea_popescu: i always do.
jurov: please also mention the vwap used. i always forget to check it at the opex time :/
mircea_popescu: you'll have to be dilligent :D
jcpham: yeah mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah. everyone wants mpex to be an information platform
troc: 3FTE on SD now !
mircea_popescu: because blogs forums and news sites + email skype and whatever aren't enough
mircea_popescu: i should compete with twitter and facebook, since this is what you do on the internet.
jcpham: it's funny coming froma guy who basically doesn't run a site with any rel backend
jcpham: asking you to run one so he can send messages
jcpham: amirite cuz SD could you know register accounts and run a db and NOT USE the blockchain
mircea_popescu: i think they're planning to have sessions next.
jurov: i have posted better solution for erik
jcpham: mostly that though
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i'm currently only operating a sub-level sector 8.3 bitcoin meganode.
mircea_popescu: jurov i srsly don'ty understand why that forum thread isn't good.
mircea_popescu: everyone already knows to watch it
jurov: ? no i was talking about s.dice thread
troc: aren't sessions are too late to benefit of blockchain spam. SD proportion of transactions is going down. perhaps sessions to increase site stickyness
taub: Max Keiser gone full clown mode when sugggesting to peg bitcoin to dollar
taub: he doesnt know how the currency works at all
jurov: trying furiously to increase stickyness
troc: ok good
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: 131.83
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: 131.83
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2689 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.478 = 0.956 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.269 = 2.538 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00326 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 60 @ 0.00327 = 0.1962 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.003332 = 0.1666 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.003333 = 0.0833 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.281 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.248 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [-]
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: 131.69
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: SlipperySlope ^
jurov: *sigh* -36%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4501 = 1.3503 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: lol.
tiberiusiv: another loss for mpoe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00070663 = 8.4796 BTC [-]
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: I had some BTC deposited as surety for some old options contracts at $75, but it doesn't seem like I got it back
pizzaman1337: for O.BTCUSD.P750T options (old ones)
mircea_popescu: p750t is way underwater.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: 131.45
pizzaman1337: ah, yeah
mircea_popescu: ;;ident pizzaman1337
gribble: Nick 'pizzaman1337', with hostmask 'pizzaman1337!~pizzaman1@unaffiliated/pizzaman1337', is not identified.
pizzaman1337: ;;gpg eauth pizzaman1337
gribble: Request successful for user pizzaman1337, hostmask pizzaman1337!~pizzaman1@unaffiliated/pizzaman1337. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/48BBF68A41783DF8
pizzaman1337: gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7e3f4363cef5553236faced3a80f1cbaefc58c06ccd1cb0fd70516d1
pizzaman1337: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7e3f4363cef5553236faced3a80f1cbaefc58c06ccd1cb0fd70516d1
gribble: You are now authenticated for user pizzaman1337 with key 48BBF68A41783DF8
jurov: mpoe bot not online yet?
mircea_popescu: was a second ago
jurov: it's perhaps more timid now :)
mircea_popescu: perhaps connectivity issues to blockcharts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4619 = 1.8476 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2798 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: ah yeah, looks like the spread for the bot dropped a ton: http://i.imgur.com/P5aQ53K.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4619 = 1.8476 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2797 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2798 BTC [+]
pizzaman1337: ah yeah, looks like the spread for the bot dropped a ton: http://i.imgur.com/P5aQ53K.png
mircea_popescu: nice graph pizzaman1337
pizzaman1337: thanks, I need to make a public site for these
mircea_popescu: i find it pretty incredible that nobody moved into the midmarket during these ~2 weeks
jurov: they had better things to do with bitcoins than having them stuck as cover?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2797 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.28 = 5.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.287 = 2.574 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.288 = 2.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.288 = 3.864 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.45606, Best ask: 136.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.54394, Last trade: 136.00000, 24 hour volume: 122987.25837791, 24 hour low: 121.45164, 24 hour high: 139.49743, 24 hour vwap: 131.92260
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.288 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.198299 BTC [+]
jurov: bitcoincharts down indeed
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2471 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.247 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.245 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.24 = 3.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.28799 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4571 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4571 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.40603 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4581 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.231 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.22 = 4.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
KRS1: whats your prediction diablo
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 94% of MPEx April revenue from reg fees?
mircea_popescu: something like that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: raise it to 1000 BTC, you could be in the black!
mircea_popescu: after march a lot of people perked up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps your sales fee is too low?
ThickAsThieves: that might be shortsighted
joecool: mircea_popescu: dare i ask? do you give mpex registration discounts to OTC members?
mircea_popescu: joecool you mean wot ?
joecool: yes
mircea_popescu: i do, if you mention someone;'s key that's already registered you each get 5btc
joecool: regged on both mpex and wot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4364 @ 0.0007011 = 3.0596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2779 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.278 = 2.556 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.28 = 2.56 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: just mpex.
joecool: oh, then mircea_popescu
jcpham: basically the guy revealed his postion on bitcoinica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.468 = 2.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.47 = 2.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.477999 = 1.434 BTC [+]
jcpham: and several people just went the other way with sufficient funding and he was force liquidated
ThickAsThieves: mp, link?
jcpham: because that's how bitcoinica worked
asciilifeform: jcpham: ok, that makes sense
jcpham: yeah a channel full of guys playing games on bitcoinica is not someone you wanna share info like this with
jcpham: somewhere
jcpham: damn 10:1 leverage at that
joeykrim: mircea_popescu, i wrote my congress ppl to not pass that :x
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: The linked article suggests that the tax only applies to ebay sellers who gross over $1M
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but yeah, the buraucrats "do what they must, because they can."
asciilifeform: *bureaucrats
ThickAsThieves: amazon is also having trouble eeking out good profits no?
joecool: it did take them like a decade to become profitable though
asciilifeform: speaking of idiot passwords, it looks like people have taken to "mining" brainwallets - with results.
jcpham: seems like i've seen that on reddit and elsewhere
jcpham: doesn't surprise me
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2718 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: wonder what the biggest brainmining find so far was
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no., they grew 22%
jcpham: lots of gold on that site about bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the mining brainwallets is real old news.
mircea_popescu: joeykrim they don't listen so well do they.
jcpham: that guys entire holding are detailed there jeez
ThickAsThieves: personally, i feel that amazon does to little branding
ThickAsThieves: they are not properly protecting what they are forgoing so much profit for
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [-]
jcpham: i'm so boss
jcpham: boom
jcpham: this is exactly where the phrase zhoutonged originated
jcpham: know your bitcoin
jcpham: all of this lore laid out for you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I missed the brainmining thing when it started, and found out about it by sheer accident - ran across some published code which lets even idiots try their hand at it, while looking for something else
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall someone pointing out hashing god yields some btc years ago
mircea_popescu: jcpham totally.
joeykrim: mircea_popescu, lol .. no they sure dont
jcpham: also realize some of those thread commenters are pirate lenders
jcpham: oooh plot thickens
jcpham: let's write a novel
mircea_popescu: he thinks he can get away from this crime!!!!
jcpham: Who were interested in this liquidation? nobody would buy 20 000BTC just for fun, and nobody could get profit from this trade except..... right.. bitcoinica.
jcpham: epic last words
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4601 BTC [-]
jcpham: except he goes on to say "I am 7 years in trading, I know who make profits and how."
mircea_popescu: jcpham his argument that zhou was bucketshopping is convincing on the face
mircea_popescu: it's also supported by ulterior email leaks etc.
jcpham: oh i'm not saying he wasn't
jcpham: it's awesome how zhoutong chimes in after his customer just got force liquidated like nothing happened
jcpham: when at the tim 85% of mtgox's volume was bitcoinica
jcpham: so a trade gox is all it took
jcpham: isn't that wild?
joecool: it was that high from bitcoinica?
jcpham: right?
jcpham: know your bitcoin
mircea_popescu: A crime how, exactly? You do know what a bucket shop is, right? And you know why they aren't allowed in a regulated market?
mircea_popescu: Will the internet investigate? Where will he be jailed, or do you plan to have him digitized and encrypted in a flash drive?
mircea_popescu: totally.
joecool: jcpham: i know the bitcoin i lost in bitcoinica
joecool: that i never actually traded with
jcpham: dawww
joecool: lol
joecool: i put coin in like 2 days before shit went to hell
jcpham: i lost some usd i think but not enough to care about
joecool: i lost enough to sting a pretty good bit
jcpham: my condolences. bitcoinica and gox ran each other for a time
mircea_popescu: ACHTUNG! Alles touristen und non-technischen looken peepers!
mircea_popescu: Fingergrabbing and pressing the cnoeppkes from the computers is allowed for die experts only!
mircea_popescu: So relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights!
jcpham: i remember now why i remember that event
jcpham: tis a memorable one
ThickAsThieves: so many scammer tags in that thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I once heard of a mutilated-English version of this warning, that hung in German machine rooms.
jcpham: it's like a who's who
jcpham: even the JRO ringcoin guy
jcpham: where is kronos.io
jcpham: there's more scandal
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves noticeably jrowens doesn't have one
jcpham: that whole thread exposes a seedy core
mircea_popescu: about half the scammers in there are tagged.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.3 = 3.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2301 BTC [-]
jcpham: because for me it happened realtime in #bitcoin and #bitcoin-otc
thestringpuller: ;;asks 138
gribble: There are currently 326.79324 bitcoins offered at or under 138.0 USD, worth 45081.833772 USD in total. | Data vintage: 61.8149 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;bids 135
gribble: There are currently 1524.0918 bitcoins demanded at or over 135.0 USD, worth 206359.098706 USD in total. | Data vintage: 69.7801 seconds
mircea_popescu: "Trading what? Most traders I know don't know shit about trading something as volatile as this. Reading through, people appear to not understand how futures and options work, and now they are learning, are annoyed at their own ignorance."
mircea_popescu: this from... wait for it... harnett.
mircea_popescu: indeed lulzmine that thread jcpham
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 636 @ 0.0007011 = 0.4459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00069846 = 2.0954 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: lol harnett
thestringpuller: How many coins did Harnett lose?
thestringpuller: "Starfish Bank" lolol
jcpham: just document and wait for the right moment to link someone to it
thestringpuller: ;;asks 139
gribble: There are currently 2311.797 bitcoins offered at or under 139.0 USD, worth 320766.335481 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0035 seconds
jcpham: there's people out there that need ot read it i'm sure
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