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asciilifeform: !!ticker btc usd
signpost[asciilifeform]: phf: good shit. the culture war against that Texas is ongoing.
signpost[asciilifeform]: wildest recent development here is Abbott talking about eliminating property taxes.
signpost[asciilifeform]: between that and the gold currency, hilarious that blue state weed rebellion is opening the door to this kind of thing.
signpost[asciilifeform]: still need to round up and evict the californians though. I’m probably still leaving on the basis of the globohomoization of the schools.
signpost[asciilifeform]: they did a pedo storytime session in the school district in which I currently sit.
signpost[asciilifeform]: still looks like one of the low property tax NH towns and private school is the best bet.
asciilifeform: 'pedo storytime' ?!
shinohai[asciilifeform]: Yeah there is current trend where the LGBTBBQ crowd want to read "kids books" about dicks and using grindr as part of school curriculum.
shinohai[asciilifeform]: Reading rainbow no longer means what it used to!
asciilifeform ftr not sold that 'lgbt' is contagious
asciilifeform recalls 'snake handler story hour' in (american) school. d00d with various pythons etc. somehow asciilifeform not felt slightest inclination after to become snake handler, in fact quite opposite, lol
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I was persuaded by mp's treatise on the subject
shinohai[asciilifeform]: "Trust me kids, I'm a herpetologist!" *unzips pants*
asciilifeform: awt_akris: which 1 ?
awt[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: I can't recall the title but he presented a taxonomy of homosexuals.
asciilifeform: awt: dun have the link handy, but recall that he posited existence of 'fake' homosexuals ( which to asciilifeform seems like a lul -- are there e.g. faux coprophagiacs also? who eat but w/out enthusiasm..? )
asciilifeform: very often to asciilifeform it seemed as if mp were posting from a parallel universe. that was 1 of these times
signpost[asciilifeform]: yep, biogays, neurotics, and fashionables.
signpost[asciilifeform]: dunno how long somebody takes it in the pooper for fashion, but hey.
signpost[asciilifeform] suspects the endocrine disruptors have a lot to do with the rise of mutants
signpost[asciilifeform]: refusal to mate might even be evolution’s fate slightly better than death.
phf: 􏿽http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-06-26#1027810 << there's variety of creative human failure modes, on a large enough scale and with present kumbaya approach to social norms enforcement, they can all be had on display. fashion homosexuals is a thing, my hippie gay friend who
dulapbot: Logged on 2023-06-26 17:01:59 asciilifeform: very often to asciilifeform it seemed as if mp were posting from a parallel universe. that was 1 of these times
phf: 􏿽's old enough to have been to woodstock was the first one that i heard complain about it
phf: 􏿽his complaint was that there was a rise of gay boys, and this is early 2010s, who acted stereotypically homosexual, but didn't exhibit any kind of genuine gay sexuality. like a kind of stepford wives simulacrum, or the parallel that i proposed back then very asexual jaded strippers
phf: 􏿽. like they enjoyed playing the role of gays, and some of them could even be bedded, but they weren't actually genuinely homosexual. we kind of concluded back then that it was a kind of fashion driven performance homosexuality by people who utterly lack any kind of personalities.
phf: i think that kind of behavior is even more strongly present with women
phf: half way through i realized how tedious of a subject it is, and that i don't want to explore it any further. entomology used to be an avocation, but now it's a survival strategy. sad, many such cases.
asciilifeform disgusted but aware that there exist 'people' w/out personalities, intrinsic desires, etc.
asciilifeform: and moreover that it sadly aint limited to asexuals fraudulently pretending to be people, but in the arts, 'opensores', and just about errywhere else
asciilifeform agrees w/ phf that it is difficult to imagine a moar tedious subject, aside possibly from 'where the fuck do these monsters come from' to start with
asciilifeform: mp's wisecrack that 'they ran outta souls at the warehouse' identifies but not unlocks the riddle
asciilifeform went to uni w/ a d00d who would check out heavy piles of maffs from library. one time asciilifeform noticed a piece that he had actually read , and asked (elementary) q re subj . to learn , in horror, that at no point did $d00d so much as open the thing (or any other)
asciilifeform: ( tome in question was no kind of arcane exotica, was okasaki's 'functional data structures' )
asciilifeform: ... many yrs later read tlp , who offered sumthing like a plausible explanation of this kind of psychopathology.
asciilifeform: but in those days was utterly mystified. ( 'wai are you carrying this bag of maculature home if you dun intend to read it' )
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-06-30 phf: signpost: you familiar with dark academia meme?
asciilifeform: ty phf, was looking for that thrd, lol
asciilifeform still thinks 'dark academia' oughta exist, in the form of a partizan underground that seekritly does what proper academics usedto do 100y ago. ( + maybe the occasional blowing up of convoy or derailing of train fulla Official academics, wainot )
asciilifeform recalls how uncle ted scored a hit at umd, and for many yrs a usg poster hung in the maffs dept, 'report packages dripping grease' etc (only vanished recently iirc)
phf: real men polish a lathe, rather than a knob - lockk scotlin
phf: o
phf: i'm frankly not strongly opposed to dark academia even as it is, on account that it's probably the least offensive larp. i mean i read barry hopper when i was teenager, and i don't think that it's ~just~ pulp
phf: i don't remember who, probably last psychiatrist, but somebody had an affectation of touching the wall constantly while walking immitating some famous mathematician who did that out of compulsion
phf: *described somebody else with that affectation
phf: maybe it was feynman writing about briefly doing that himself?
phf: anyway, there's probably some kind of scale from "doing hard science" into "barry popper larp", where some kind of useful work actually comes out of it. i have vague memory that a handful of lurkers on #t actually picked up greek/latin textbooks because of the particular republican fetishises
awt[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-26#1027431 << afaik I'm the only one who went on the Greek trip. Studied furiously for 2 years (was a blast) then ended up visiting the Parthenon and Delphi.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-06-26 21:49:34 phf[4]: anyway, there's probably some kind of scale from "doing hard science" into "barry popper larp", where some kind of useful work actually comes out of it. i have vague memory that a handful of lurkers on #t actually picked up greek/latin textbooks because of the particular republican fet
awt[asciilifeform]: https://imgur.com/a/CISZSlV << multiline message rendering
asciilifeform: awt: neato
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-26#1027428 << when biography of p.erdos 'man who loved only numbers' came out, there were folx who took to deliberately imitating some of the man's nervous ticks ( asciilifeform had the questionable fortune to meet... well, not meet, but correspond -- with one such )
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-06-26 21:46:05 phf[jonsykkel|deedbot|signpost]: i don't remember who, probably last psychiatrist, but somebody had an affectation of touching the wall constantly while walking immitating some famous mathematician who did that out of compulsion
asciilifeform: possibly this is what ethnographers call 'sympathetic magic'
asciilifeform suspects that if the famous cargo cult 'airplane builders' were able to make their 'machines' make noise & spew exhaust gas, they likely would've
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-26#1027430 << iirc it was (tho can't recall where, possibly in 'surely you're joking')
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-06-26 21:46:59 phf[4]: maybe it was feynman writing about briefly doing that himself?
asciilifeform: s/ticks/tics
signpost[asciilifeform] observes that servi outfuck and engulf the humans in every civ.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-26#1027427 << which hopper was this ? ( asciilifeform loox, finds e.g. 'The burst of gunfire killed instantly medic SP4 Barry V. Hopper ...' 'Dr. Barry Hopper, DDS - Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery' etc )
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-06-26 21:42:05 phf[4]: i'm frankly not strongly opposed to dark academia even as it is, on account that it's probably the least offensive larp. i mean i read barry hopper when i was teenager, and i don't think that it's ~just~ pulp
asciilifeform: signpost: which other civs were you thinking of ?
signpost[asciilifeform]: this spill has additional interesting elements which weren't present in ones past. the handputers, plastics, poisons, by no means exhaustive list.
signpost[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: eveywhere there was a strict hierarchy, the bottom outfucked, top fell off. egypt, greece, rome
signpost[asciilifeform]: seems like order is as much an accident as mp's "latin-supernova", possibly same event.
asciilifeform: signpost: none of these (with possible exception of roman pb goblets?) afaik involved pollutants tho
asciilifeform: moar typically 'empire ran outta whom to eat' and/or 'egypto-stagnated until conquered'
signpost[asciilifeform]: makes ours worse, but humans might be bobbing in and out of consciousness all the time as a group.
asciilifeform: jaynes & friends?
signpost[asciilifeform]: consciousness itself might require critical events in upbringing without which, you get the association matrix repeater slug
signpost[asciilifeform]: yeah, something like that
signpost[asciilifeform]: heidegger works a single sentence of parmenides for an entire book, iirc "It is useful, the laying out and taking to heart that being is"
signpost[asciilifeform]: innermost loop of western man's selfhood.
asciilifeform: it aint even that signpost necessarily wrong re subj, but from asciilifeform's pov is rather as if a police detective saw a fella in alley with head staved in with a lead pipe, and , not satisfied, orders a test for cia shellfish toxin
asciilifeform: ( imho plenty of rather obv macro dysfunctions in reich, each 1 moar than sufficient to explain trajectory to collapse & assoc. various mass psychosis )
signpost[asciilifeform]: yep, I don't disagree.
signpost[asciilifeform]: gent that spends his whole life laying out and taking to heart that being is can light himself on fire and sit quietly to lay it out for others.
signpost[asciilifeform]: so I don't think plastic in balls is sufficient to excuse lack of mind, but it doesn't help.
signpost[asciilifeform]: or propaganda, or
asciilifeform: or simply pop density
asciilifeform: 'spiders in jar'
signpost[asciilifeform]: yep, the rat palace experiment also.
asciilifeform at one time looked for 'anyone replicated the rat palace?' and somewhat surprisingly not found
asciilifeform: ( obv. not counting the 'big zone' )
asciilifeform: iirc was actually mouse palace
signpost[asciilifeform]: yep you are correct
signpost[asciilifeform]: guess both. but anyhow.
signpost[asciilifeform]: actually awt, having eaten some greek you may enjoy What is Called Thinking even more.
signpost[asciilifeform]: to attempt a macroexpand on how he explained the greek version of the sentence in cultural context, "It is the technique by which conscious being is produced to lay out the manner in which one is before oneself and accept as base truth that this is so."
signpost[asciilifeform]: lay out as one lays out an argument.
asciilifeform brain returns eggog parsing the quoted text
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I'm gonna have to implement /me just for asciilifeform
signpost[asciilifeform]: the conscious european man's life is an inquiry into what the hell he is.
signpost[asciilifeform]: you have to teach that or you get an animal
asciilifeform: rright but imho once yer emitting strings like 'being is' you may've dereferenced a freed pointer sumwhere
signpost[asciilifeform]: I disagree entirely.
signpost[asciilifeform]: and you're in a soup of people who don't do the above.
asciilifeform: ( maybe in original deutsch made sense..? )
signpost[asciilifeform]: can you not imagine an animal that is in no way concerned with its own existence? doesn't even occur to it.
signpost[asciilifeform]: these scared "last men" we were discussing do everything they can to avoid the thought of it, and when they fail it's just infantile terror at it.
asciilifeform: the animal, since asked, lol
asciilifeform witnessed this kinda thing when was dealing with an infestation of subj. they seem to have this bug
asciilifeform: prolly happens when shot goes through spine
signpost[asciilifeform]: maybe you're right, and men have been shot through the spine.
signpost[asciilifeform]: that's a hell of a lot more optimistic.
asciilifeform: 'it dun hurt, so it can't be own meat i'm chewing on'
awt[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-26#1027475 << I will check it out. So far I've bounced off Heidegger every time I got near. Made it through some Nietzsche. Rather like reading an entire novel of fragments of Herakles.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-06-26 23:28:10 signpost: actually awt, having eaten some greek you may enjoy What is Called Thinking even more.
awt[asciilifeform]: er, Heraclitus
signpost[asciilifeform]: it's exactly that, so maybe nevermind, lol
signpost[asciilifeform] has learned in having a tiny in the house that much of the boot sequence ships with the tiny.
signpost[asciilifeform]: but I think there's a difference between avoiding breaking the potential and producing a self-aware human.
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