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bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 01:11:55 deedbot[awt]: !!help
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 01:13:10 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot|awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-19#1018950 << lolwat
phf[asciilifeform]: unfortunately i also hosed my instance, si somebody else will have to dig it out from their database
jesus[asciilifeform]: i am the way, the truth, and the life.
phf[asciilifeform]: hearsay machinery is funny that way
phf: !!help
phf[asciilifeform]: sorry about all the noise :/
signpost[asciilifeform]: omg, deedbot's first act of volition
signpost[asciilifeform]: looks like a blatta hearsay relay bug eh? http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1jWo
signpost[asciilifeform]: deedbot only has a record of receving it, not sending
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 01:25:24 jesus[awt]: i am the way, the truth, and the life.
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-19#1018968 << deedbot was probably my bug, but i can't figure out from code what sequence of events could've led to it
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 10:58:58 signpost: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-19#1018957 << a ok, it was a night of miracles :D
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-19#1018966 << there is defo some brokenness of the 'thinks $peer's packet is own' type remaining in blatta -- iirc seen befoar (tho can't find in log)
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 10:58:15 signpost: looks like a blatta hearsay relay bug eh? http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1jWo
asciilifeform: ( the seal, recall, does not allow to distinguish which side sent. so is theoretically possible to misattribute, unless pestron -- as per new spec -- hashes ~every~ emitted packet and keeps hash in dedupe cache, ~prior~ to sending it)
asciilifeform: ( fwiw could be different sort of bug (i.e. alters speaker somehow during processing), asciilifeform not read enuff src to be certain )
asciilifeform: fwiw the '!!help' did in fact come outta deedbot's station, per asciilifeform's log (rather than hearsay with mutated speaker or the like)
signpost[asciilifeform]: maybe so, but did not hit the bot sitting behind the station
signpost[asciilifeform]: so looks like yep, station bug of some kind
signpost[asciilifeform]: rather, was not emitted by the bot
signpost[asciilifeform] has record of all comings and goings independently of blatta
asciilifeform: right, seems unlikely that irc side had anyffin to do with it
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-18#1018947 << dear sirs madams, please do the dutyfull
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-18 23:53:09 phf[awt]: can someone well connected please post their AT
signpost[asciilifeform]: phf: 75.81.94.66:7778
signpost[asciilifeform]: and deedbot is 96.43.130.234:7779
phf[asciilifeform]: i mean the whole thing, so i don't need to ask everyone individually for their updated ips
signpost[asciilifeform]: ah ok, sec will gpggram
phf[asciilifeform]: what is this, protection from ze germans!
signpost[asciilifeform]: hey man, asciilifeform insisted network details oughta be least disclosure necessary
signpost[asciilifeform] doesn't give a shit if his IP's in logs, clearly
phf[asciilifeform]: ah shit i forgot my gpg password
phf[asciilifeform]: i mean it's the same one i had for like 10 years, but i once went two weeks unable to remember what it was
phf[asciilifeform]: also, in somewhat unrelated. i discovered a kind of multipeer "receipt" confirmation. if you have a roster of live stations, can send you broadcast only to a subset of them, the packets will propagate, and the live ones will send you your packet back
signpost[asciilifeform] has this happen with zip codes, pin codes, etc., time to time.
signpost[asciilifeform]: where suddenly my brain has rearranged indices such that one of these is what it was a decade ago
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-19#1018994 << which is also a kind of impersonation protection. if you get a packet from yourself, can check own backlog to see if you sent it, and then send it back to the station that you got the packet from. this way you also complete the "broadcast is sent to all peers" requirement.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 16:20:22 phf[awt]: also, in somewhat unrelated. i discovered a kind of multipeer "receipt" confirmation. if you have a roster of live stations, can send you broadcast only to a subset of them, the packets will propagate, and the live ones will send you your packet back
phf[asciilifeform]: well, peering will have to wait i guess. i can't remember the damn password
phf[asciilifeform]: i would say "send it to me dm", but we don't have peering!
asciilifeform: phf: mine is still as shown here
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-09-14 11:42:14 asciilifeform[6]: PeterL: 100.15.116.69:1337
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-19#1018993 << asciilifeform one time thought 'that's it, brain damage' when 'couldn't remember pw', turned out to be boojum afflicting keyboard ('model f' with imperfect retrofit controller, key 'bounced')
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 16:18:50 phf[awt]: i mean it's the same one i had for like 10 years, but i once went two weeks unable to remember what it was
phf[asciilifeform]: brain damage in my case
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-19#1018994 << this'll work, obv. if they're all peered in such a way that the path dun max out bounce (or get deduped) anywhere on the way back
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-12-19 16:20:22 phf[awt]: also, in somewhat unrelated. i discovered a kind of multipeer "receipt" confirmation. if you have a roster of live stations, can send you broadcast only to a subset of them, the packets will propagate, and the live ones will send you your packet back
asciilifeform: ( 1 of the reasons why dedupe and cap bounce is so that packets dun waste bw going in circles )
phf[asciilifeform]: well, as of right now i'm still only sending one broadcast packet to a handchosen counterparty (awt specifically) and get all my packets back
phf[asciilifeform]: 2 bounce from deedbot and 3 bounce from dulapbot specifically
asciilifeform: phf: dulapbot: 205.134.172.3:13337 ( iirc was in the log, but can't find readily ), i dun expect it'll ever change
asciilifeform: phf: right, atm net is small enuff that you'll prolly get'em all back
phf[asciilifeform]: yeah i have peering with deedbot and dulapbot, but your station dun work ._. you maybe refreshed your key at some point?
asciilifeform: phf: nope, but suspect firewall misconfig'd, and not yet had time to fix properly
phf: #<STATION (#(100 15 116 69) 1337)/asciilifeform NIL {700A927953}>
phf[asciilifeform]: that nil ought to be last packet receipt time
asciilifeform[phf]: phf: hence wai asciilifeform has been handing out dulapbot peerings to folx who iirc also in a nat
asciilifeform found that currently is only able to peer, from desk station, to stations that aint in nat
phf[asciilifeform]: there's no way to manually prod from blatta?
phf[asciilifeform]: hmm, oddly prod to awt gives me correct ip address, but port is 7779. considering that my nat is not configured in any special way that seems like mostly like a bug
asciilifeform must bbl
phf[asciilifeform]: but then i'm obv getting packets back, so somewhere deep on the connection level it's sending to the correct ephemeral port
billymg[asciilifeform] waves from texas
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: still on for this week at the same time/place?
signpost[asciilifeform]: yessir, sec and I'll provide meatspace contact info
signpost[asciilifeform]: looking forward to it
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: excellent, likewise. see you then
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: err, actually, forgot i don't have my key with me. here's my irl info: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=tAoM
phf[asciilifeform]: and that's how they got to signpost
billymg[asciilifeform]: whaack or awt can vouch that it's actually me, both have my irl contact info
signpost[asciilifeform]: tell them I died as I lived, gorging on assorted smoked meats
signpost[asciilifeform]: billymg got it
phf[asciilifeform]: we'll keep the details from your wife
signpost[asciilifeform]: secret mission, dead drop, intercepted, nothing at all to do with brisket.
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