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crtdaydreams[busybot|asciilifeform]: What makes a man worthy of following? (as in the case of mp per se.)
signpost[asciilifeform]: traditional answer is that he conquers your old master. can be taken as abstract or concretely as you like.
signpost[asciilifeform]: should also mention that a republic is not a cult of personality of one man. it's the confluence of many allied wills, even if unequal.
billymg[busybot]: i think the bar is lower than that, doesn't need to conquer anyone, only create meaning
signpost[busybot]: billymg: when ben introduced me to trilema old masters were defeated. that's what I meant by abstract.
signpost[asciilifeform]: could also say that if meaning is created where none was before, old mastered died and left a vacuum.
billymg[asciilifeform]: ah, as in, "there's something else that exists/can exist" (that's how i felt when first discovering trilema at least)
signpost[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/trilema/2016-09-16#1543393 << randomly selected example of the guy thumping me over the head with tradition to great benefit.
billymg[asciilifeform]: hrm, bitbot's echos showing in the logs but not in the terminal
billymg[busybot]: odd, didn't manually restart anything
billymg[busybot]: oh well, he had a good run, will restart real quick now...
bitbot[asciilifeform]: billymg: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 0m
bitbot[busybot]: Logged on 2022-06-13 14:58:35 billymg: bot might need to be restarted, since restarted the blatta station it's connected to. i remember this being an issue in the past
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015596 << didja have one in yours? ( asciilifeform not seen docs for the thing, wondered whether it worked only with dedicated 3disms, or could be used simply as 2nd console... )
bitbot[busybot|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-05 23:58:37 phf[awt]: asciilifeform, can also put framethrower in e.g. xl1201 which is what they are likely using here
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015597 << could as easily ask 'wat makes a cake worth eating' etc. subjective q, for the individual folx doing it, neh.
bitbot[busybot|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-06 05:23:22 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]: What makes a man worthy of following? (as in the case of mp per se.)
phf[busybot]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015623 << no, after buying xl i very rapidly cooled towards the whole retro-hardware thing. tbh.
bitbot[busybot]: Logged on 2022-11-06 11:51:11 asciilifeform[6]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015596 << didja have one in yours? ( asciilifeform not seen docs for the thing, wondered whether it worked only with dedicated 3disms, or could be used simply as 2nd console... )
phf[busybot]: i had various opportunities to pick up macivory, framethrower, 3860 at reasonable price from dks, but i'm mostly content playing with that stuff when visiting the house of the whisperer you met
phf[asciilifeform]: but specifically re framethrower you don't magically get a color console when connecting one, it's a dedicated auxilary output device
phf[asciilifeform]: in fact i've never seen it render anything but this s-graphics screen https://twitter.com/LispEngineer/status/1390337249854767104/photo/2 :D
phf[asciilifeform]: (if you notice it's the same screen as the one in the photo above)
phf[busybot]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015597 << “What’s he that wishes so? My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin: If we are mark’d to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
bitbot[busybot]: Logged on 2022-11-06 05:23:22 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]: What makes a man worthy of following? (as in the case of mp per se.)
phf[busybot]: … He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’ Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars. And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
phf[asciilifeform]: … We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with u
phf[asciilifeform]: s upon Saint Crispin’s day.”
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015627 << asciilifeform admits similar 'cooled' (was moving 'macivory', and all the while thinking 'will boot?' & 'how many contacts will have to reseat')
bitbot[asciilifeform|busybot]: Logged on 2022-11-06 12:14:34 phf[awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015623 << no, after buying xl i very rapidly cooled towards the whole retro-hardware thing. tbh.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015633 << reminiscent of ye olde 'deluxe paint'
asciilifeform not hunting for any additional bolix irons -- other than moar identical ivory cpus for the eventual meatgrinder -- for some yrs nao
asciilifeform: imho the Right Thing in re: preserving 'atlantean' irons is to properly reverse'em.
asciilifeform: (easier said, unfortunately, than done; and asciilifeform presently has ~0 cycles to meaningfully work on subj)
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $21174.11
phf[busybot]: well, right, also i got exposed to retro hardware culture, and the hoarding and the associated folly. a lot of your rants about "not interested in reversing because devalues rembrandts" assumes rational, goal driven behavior. in reality mostly crazy people with compulsions, "only replace caps with time appropriate equivale
phf[asciilifeform]: nts", etc.
phf[busybot]: in fact the whisperer you know is the only person who actually does anything with his hoard, beyond "boot it up, and looked at the company logo". i find it to be extremely dull otherwise. i was imagining community of people using their dos machines to write demoscene code, or running their automation with turbo pascal or w
phf[asciilifeform]: hatever. no such things exists on a group level
asciilifeform was running (personal wankature, rather than amzing publishable heroisms..) cnc control under dos for a while. today has pen166 for gamez, with roland etc. but not any more tries to demoscene etc
asciilifeform: and come to think of it not booted up for ~2y nao
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015648 << specifically recall one such fella. but yea prolly not 'goal driven' at all, but 'i'ma get hold of this magick artifact, how could i not' etc
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-11-23 dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-08-02 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-06 17:11:53 phf[awt]: well, right, also i got exposed to retro hardware culture, and the hoarding and the associated folly. a lot of your rants about "not interested in reversing because devalues rembrandts" assumes rational, goal driven behavior. in reality mostly crazy people with compulsions, "only rep
phf[busybot]: sometimes i'll see posts about a dos machine wordstar or apple macintosh being the ultimate writing station, but somehow never the great american novel from same author. it's still better though than "macintosh in original packaging, on shelf"
asciilifeform: some folx cream pants when they discover an old comp where 'wow, no updateism', fullscreen proggies, etc.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention -- fast!! )
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: 'gnat-gpl' is broken sadware, rec to avoid
jonsykkel[busybot]: trying to corebot but it wants same version gcc and gnat.
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: it dun come w/ buildroot (which bakes internal gcc, gnat, etc.) anymoar?
jonsykkel[busybot|asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: it does bake an internal gcc at least, but seems to want another gcc+gnat to compile the build system itself
jonsykkel[busybot]: or watever it is called
asciilifeform: forwat does that thing even need a gnat?
jonsykkel[busybot|asciilifeform]: it complains if not there at least, but lets build without
jonsykkel[asciilifeform|busybot]: maybe i will try that simply
asciilifeform looks for shinohai's gnat recipe, but his www apparently kaput?
asciilifeform: ancient recipe for same. iirc signpost had a moar recent one but grr can't find atm
signpost[busybot]: oughta write up proper instructions on blog but there's a README in there
asciilifeform: a ty signpost
signpost[busybot] can walk ya through a build tomorrow. shinohai got it done easily
jonsykkel[busybot]: cool, i will download thank!
jonsykkel[busybot|asciilifeform]: will at least give it a try self first
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