crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: ohshit
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: still borked, will mess around when more bw to burn
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: wat specifically borked?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: o/ (also running 96 btw jonsykkel
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: there has to be a better way of doing addrcast that doesn't cook lappys and burn bw
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: for now will sit on it and examine protocol
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: pest wont be particularily mobile plan frendly no mater wat u do, ignore pakets eat bw
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: laptopcooking is more of a python broblem
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: ddosresistant pestron must be able to shovel away packets at rate of 100k+/sec
PeterL[asciilifeform]: jonsykkel: do both peers have to do the port-hammering at the same time? won't it work if just one peer port-hammers, once the find a connection, won't it work both ways after that?
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: PeterL: itll "work", but u will make the target infinitesmall (W=1 in my calculations) and drilling will take >1000x longer
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: (spammer holds many ports open on his nat but only recvs packet with same src+dst port evry time so only 1 arow that can hit moving target. other guy recvs spam but holds only one port open so target is small)
PeterL[asciilifeform]: but aren't both people trying to hit that 1 in 65000 or whatever port that is open? having both people do it will only speed it up 2x?
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: only in the case where nat is of the easy type, big problem is the fucked up nats that dont accept packets through that 1 port unless dst port AND src port match
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: these ports corespond to the ephemeral ports assigned by both nats, and so are both outside ur control (barring any posible predictability in the pattern of ports assigned)
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: the speedup is much greater than 2x cuz the act of u spamming is making the target biger for the other guy
PeterL[asciilifeform]: maybe I am missing something ... if I spam your node, all my messages will be sent from the same port, so you still have only one target, right?
asciilifeform: PeterL: see the 'birthday paradox' discussion in the earlier link
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-09-19 18:38:39 asciilifeform[4]: see also: this likbez re subj.
asciilifeform: PeterL: note also that if 'addrcast went, but peer not answers' does not tell X (or Y) if a) X is behind evil nat b) Y is behind evil nat c) both X and Y behind evil nat
asciilifeform: so per the offered scheme, X and Y 'assume worst' ( i.e. (c) )
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-09-19 18:24:28 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]: awt, phf, jonsykkel , et al: proposed 'hammer algo' :
asciilifeform wonders whether hammer algo in fact reqs binding multiple unix sockets
signpost[asciilifeform]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QqSYBUhmY << wild to watch this ratchet click forward.
awt[asciilifeform]: WWI level idiocy on the NATO front
awt[asciilifeform]: /s/front/side/
signpost[asciilifeform]: front's probably right eh?
signpost[asciilifeform]: at any rate, what do I know about Putin, but he sounds sincere there.
signpost[asciilifeform]: and he sounds like someone who doesn't like what he's going to be forced to do.
asciilifeform: lol not censored yet (normally these can only be seen on 'rutube' etc naodays)
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-09-21#1013362 << they're perma-stuck in this for objective reasons
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-04-11 asciilifeform: mangol: in re the bigger picture. and not simply 'east expansion', but that reich rather obv. cannot survive 1) without continuing to get ru fuels & other minerals for ~phree 2) the continued existence of an alt-civilization
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-09-21 17:44:44 awt: WWI level idiocy on the NATO front
awt[asciilifeform]: Can't they? Build out nuclear in europe, remove restrictions on oil/gas drilling in USA/Canada.
signpost[asciilifeform]: awt: the "can't" may be all in their heads, but that doesn't make it trivial.
asciilifeform: 'invent parachute on yer way down from empire state building'(tm)
awt[asciilifeform]: lol invent what? nuclear power? oil/gas extraction?
asciilifeform: awt: invent means to make'em happen w/out 3-decade piles of forms in triplicate
awt[asciilifeform]: in that respect signpost is right, all in their heads
awt[asciilifeform]: Just astounding hubris
awt[asciilifeform]: Feel like I'm in the chorous of a greek play
signpost[asciilifeform]: what I see is suicidality. if a person can be, why not the aggregate of persons?
signpost[asciilifeform]: west does not want to live.