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phf[asciilifeform]: i don't know why that's the case but simply putting the word action in uppercase into message renders it as /me on both logs. that shouldn't really be the case, since it also needs to be wrapped with ^A...^A
phf[asciilifeform] tries action
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-17 15:34:55 billymg: PeterL: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=D4Fz
awt[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-17#1009909 << see short_buffer.py line 14 for this logic in blatta
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-17 23:25:51 phf[awt]: but i suspect blatta doesn't have a mechanism like that, or even if it does the irc nature of the irc compatible version of protocol means that packet traveling faster/shorter path will win, as far as representative packet
phf[asciilifeform]: awt: aye, i figured after asciilifeform showed me the relevant part of the spec that blatta in fact does
awt[asciilifeform]: phf what does ^A signify?
phf[asciilifeform]: awt: i don't remember canonical source on this, but if you e.g. search this document for the word action https://raw.githubusercontent.com/grawity/irc-docs/master/client/CTCP/ctcp.txt
phf[asciilifeform]: from document “\001A_CTION barfs on the floor.\001” (without the underscore) is the canonical action format
phf[asciilifeform]: there's also a section called TAGGED DATA, which introduces this idea that something like action is called tagged data, “To send extended data inside the middle level message, we need some way to delimit it. This is done by starting and ending extended data with a delimiter character, defined as: X-DELIM ::= '\001'”
phf[asciilifeform]: Extended data is only valid in PRIVMSG and NOTICE commands.
phf[asciilifeform]: anyway, simply grepping for capitalized action is definitely not the correct behavior
phf[asciilifeform]: *grepping for uppercase action
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-18#1009950 << very good point; tho debateable how much leaks, from pestronic pov msg payload is simply a text, can contain just about anything (per spec must utf8-decode w/out eggogs, but otherwise unconstrained)
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-18 00:00:03 phf[awt]: full message was “i should probably add /me… btw that's the case where irc spec full on leaks into pest: messages arrive as _^_A_ACT_ION foo_^_A_” but without the underscore
awt[asciilifeform]: phf: not clear exactly what's going on in blatta, or what weechat is sending in for /me messages. I'll check it out.
phf[asciilifeform]: awt: weechat is conformant with what i said above
awt[asciilifeform] -- possibly loggers do
phf[asciilifeform]: awt: word, that's what it looks like. i see valid action data come in, and i saw your last message alright, but it's garbled in both loggers
signpost[asciilifeform]: https://archive.ph/oVD0D << nord stream's off indefinitely.
signpost[asciilifeform]: hats off to russia; while the "west" has been twisting its nipples about whether there will be a traditional war in europe, russia's been winning the hybrid war.
asciilifeform: signpost: link not loads
phf[asciilifeform]: just more of russian propaganda. ghost of kiev will save germany
asciilifeform: hm nao loads, nm
awt[asciilifeform] likes rooting for the underdog - may have to start supporting the GAE
phf[asciilifeform]: russian 👏🏿 gas 👏🏿 is 👏🏿 basic 👏🏿 human 👏🏿 right
awt[asciilifeform]: lol my terminal can't handle black hands
asciilifeform also not sees hieroglyps in console. pity, prolly lulzy
asciilifeform: *hieroglyphs
signpost[asciilifeform]: got this image in mind of a screeching woman disappointed that she wasn't important enough to hit.
signpost[asciilifeform]: "so that's it?! no nukes, no nothing?"
signpost[asciilifeform]: nope, just leaving you bitch, for better.
asciilifeform: signpost: this in re which ?
phf[asciilifeform]: i recon his original link
signpost[asciilifeform]: regarding nato's self-importance, and the rest of the world moving on.
signpost[asciilifeform]: most likely *as* "the world"
signpost[asciilifeform] picked up Unrestricted Warfare, if anyone's curious how long the Chinese have had the USA's number.
signpost[asciilifeform]: translation of cn mil docs from 99 on hybrid warfare strategy against US.
asciilifeform chronically lulz at notion of 'anglo vs cn wars' given the two decades already where the former surrendered ~all of their industry to the latter
signpost[asciilifeform]: if anybody recs a russian perspective on same, would gladly read.
signpost[asciilifeform] probably paraphrasing, but recalls mp telling me "you have no idea just how far the US has yet to fall"
asciilifeform: signpost: considering that current-day ru (as well as good % of east nato reich) still runs mostly on sov-era infrastructure -- indeed slow fall
bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-18 asciilifeform: ... identifies as 'home', again, ye olde su, and not usa, where was moved like suitcase, nor any of the bantustans which presently squat on the map where su usedto be
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-18#1111752 << так ты за спартак или за динамо??
bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-18 asciilifeform: ... identifies as 'home', again, ye olde su, and not usa, where was moved like suitcase, nor any of the bantustans which presently squat on the map where su usedto be
asciilifeform had to look in www log to get the orcograms, grr, gotta utfize the console 1 of these days
phf[asciilifeform]: you can also do (standard-display-cyrillic-translit)
asciilifeform: that'd be an emacsism neh
asciilifeform doesn't ircate in emacs presently
phf[asciilifeform]: or you can run weechat in emacs's (term) :D
asciilifeform prolly the 'odd man out' in re 'live in emacs'
asciilifeform: historically, asciilifeform only emacses when 'nuffin else will do', always 'felt slow' vs e.g. naked xterms
asciilifeform: even on 'threadripper' etc
phf[asciilifeform]: oh i think it's in the logs that i hate emacs and refuse to use it for anything but slime (and even then begrudgingly)
asciilifeform: aa so then
asciilifeform: proposition 'live in emacs'(tm) sorta feels like 'drive bulldozer errywhere, incl. to buy milk'
phf[asciilifeform]: i had this massive revelation at some point, that lisp machines weren't actually living in emacs. zwei&co were just apps, to a particular and idiosyncratic tv toolkit, but a toolkit never the less
asciilifeform: imho is a marvel how emacs on (even very fast) x86 still manages to 'feel slow'
asciilifeform: oddly enuff, as described in ^ , zwei on 4mhz bolix dun 'feel slow'
phf[asciilifeform]: emacs got hit by wreckers, like everything else. i dropped out around the time when they “deprecated cl package!11” in favor of modern™ and modular™ cl-lib. main improvement of cl-lib is that all the cl symbols are mandatory prefixed by cl-
asciilifeform: (well not really 'oddly', zwei didn't include an (inept, bog-slow) emulation of a half-remembered lispm)
phf[asciilifeform]: there was a brief period even when cl symbols weren't recognized by lazylock, even if you had (require 'cl) or whatever. such underhanded nanny state behavior
asciilifeform: difficult to deny that emacs was 'stolen by wreckers' but also must note, 'felt slow'(tm) even before, imho
phf[asciilifeform]: that was also around the time that emacs started getting all kinds of modernizations and improvements and such. so never had a chance to “be fast”
asciilifeform: makes sense
asciilifeform: otherwise difficult to picture how proggy that felt 'just a little too slow' on pen1 and equally nao on 'threadripper'
asciilifeform: (other than via bloat)
phf[asciilifeform]: i think there must've been some kind of emacs sweet spot. i think around the time that i picked it up for slime (was an nvi user before), 2007 or so, it was quite zippy. obv never as fast as nvi..
asciilifeform: likely yes, about then
phf[asciilifeform]: make emacs great again
asciilifeform: (tm)(r)
phf[asciilifeform]: i stand with 🇺🇦asciilifeform🇺🇦
asciilifeform sings, 'oi u luzi chervona kalyna...'
asciilifeform not has orcogramator working in weechat, but hey, truu ukr oughta latin1 !
phf[asciilifeform]: oh man i can totally see that happening
phf[asciilifeform]: budemo tarasa shevchenko na latynytsi chytaty
asciilifeform: iirc already in the worx
phf[asciilifeform]: latin1 extended, is latin with additional symbols: 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇳🧕
phf[asciilifeform]: alright i'm done spamming log with emoji barf
phf[asciilifeform]: i feel dirty now
busybot[asciilifeform]: Error! Requires 2 parameters - Please see `man ticker` for usage
busybot[asciilifeform]: Current BTC price in USD: $22041.17
signpost[asciilifeform] has a feeling in his butt that coins will be cheaper still.
signpost[asciilifeform]: (but who knows)
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: been watching carefully over past few days for the indicator of where the markets headed
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform] won't lose sleep over another 30% tank
signpost[asciilifeform]: well, when your studies yield a more reliable predictor than my butt I'll happily split your profits 50/50.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: stand in oracle? the sphincter(tm)(r)
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