asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
asciilifeform: ... bot awol ?
awt[asciilifeform|signpost|billymg]: shinohai seems not to have recovered from the emotibomb
awt[asciilifeform|signpost|billymg]: I have a ticker bot as well. I'll bring it in at some point.
awt[asciilifeform|signpost|billymg]: Currently price is $19014 - was < 19k minutes ago
asciilifeform: cheapcoinz!
awt[asciilifeform|signpost|billymg]: Indeed.
asciilifeform unrelatedly, considered 'wainot rebake pest spec in latex, iirc can shit edible html, embedding diagrams etc' but not found any clean mechanism for this
asciilifeform: seems like all the pertinent tools work by shitting pdf and mechanically htmlizing same
asciilifeform: which -- ugh
awt[asciilifeform|signpost|billymg]: Haven't ever worked with latex.
asciilifeform worked for many yrs, but never attempted htmlism w/ subj
asciilifeform would like option for printer-friendly output of spec, but has 0 intention of maintaining 2 parallel copies
asciilifeform would also like to bake illustrations, but again put off by idea of juggling over9000 gifs etc
billymg: asciilifeform: you can't embed images with markdown?
asciilifeform: latex worx a++, and doesn't suffer from the idiocy of 'markdown' where can't reorder sections without doctoring over9000 links etc
billymg: and svg would probably be the best format for diagrams, like you used for your pest logo
asciilifeform: billymg: can't ~generate~ images with same
asciilifeform wants a single-source spec as currently 4evah
asciilifeform: not over9000 binturds
billymg: svgs aren't binary
asciilifeform: latex theoretically gives this. but apparently still , as 20y ago, not gives edible, linkable html
asciilifeform: billymg: indeed not binary. but also not palatable to create by hand.
billymg: create in graphics program, copy/paste the svg into spec source
asciilifeform: svg may as well be a binary format, for all the readability of it
asciilifeform: billymg: never used latex e.g. dag generators ? the source 'exists in the form preferred for editing'
asciilifeform: rather than turd shat out by graphics editor
billymg: asciilifeform: never used latex. example?
asciilifeform: over9000 of these, historically
asciilifeform: nobody there sits and sweats in an image editor like microshit victim
asciilifeform: observe that crapola like svg is extremely unfriendly from vtronic pov
asciilifeform: just about any change turns into kilometre of liquishit in the diff
billymg: in the first link, this is what the generated svg looks like: view-source:https://dkumor.com/posts/technical/files/tikzgraphs/sampledot.svg
billymg: looks about the same as spit out by any "microshit graphics program"
asciilifeform: billymg: right, but no need to hardbake the output into vdiff, if ~generates~ it from meaningful source
billymg: per asciilifeform: "might as well be binary"
asciilifeform: obv. the ~output~ is soup
asciilifeform: ( in fact the typical output of latex is a megatonne of postscript soup )
billymg: ok, so it's "press vpatch of pest spec, and also download this third party dependency to generate the graphs"
billymg: and if that's the idea could use e.g. matplotlib also
asciilifeform: billymg: traditional down side of latex. but it aint as if there even is, afaik, a latex system that spits usable, linkable html.
billymg: or d3js
asciilifeform: billymg: if req's js to ~read~ the output, asciilifeform won't use
billymg suggested a python lib also
asciilifeform: output must be a standard html + dir of whatever images
asciilifeform: but, importantly, optionally a printer-edible ps with correct pagination etc
asciilifeform: which afaik only in latex .
asciilifeform: afaik no off-shelf solution atm.
asciilifeform brb
asciilifeform: fugheting about illustrations for a moment, what asciilifeform was looking for is an item which generates something maximally approximating the current html form but from latex src, rather than the enfuriatingly moronic markdown
bitbot: Logged on 2022-06-18 15:54:31 asciilifeform: latex worx a++, and doesn't suffer from the idiocy of 'markdown' where can't reorder sections without doctoring over9000 links etc
asciilifeform: ... somehow thought it existed for 20y, turns out -- not at all
billymg: asciilifeform: could ask jonsykkel about the one he's working on
bitbot: Logged on 2022-06-06 19:55:08 jonsykkel[asciilifeform|billymg]: wokring on a markdown replacment soon redy but i dont have a name for it so canot release - plz someone invent
asciilifeform: won't to jack for printer
asciilifeform: *do
asciilifeform not expects, in his lifetime, to see anyffin resembling a replacement for latex for cranking out printer-friendly output
asciilifeform: this is ultimately why e.g. maffs world is fulla incurable pdfism
bitbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-06-09 phf: asciilifeform: i'm less and less sharing your dislike for pdfs. i think it's a maligned format, because of its incompetent custodian adobe. i'm just looking at the variety of pdf documents, and their corresponding crossplatform support i.e. can render noaa's naval chart which is all shapes as well as mit ai note which is just tiff wrapper equally well on e.g. plan9
asciilifeform: for billymg & other folx who not used latex : 'printer sanity' aint simply about 'nifty fonts' etc., but actually very simple things that htmlism pisses on, e.g. allowing author to force sections to start at top of a page, paragraphs not to break in half by page boundary, sane handling of toc, etc
asciilifeform: ... it also includes vector graphics getting rasterized to the resolution of the printer, rather than some arbitrary sad vga res
asciilifeform: ( and wrapped by text correctly, and not broken up by page boundaries )
asciilifeform: ( see also : interesting piece re the sheer brokenness of extant proggies purporting to solve $problem )
signpost: those printing requirements are actually present in recent revisions of css, though this'd marry you to recent browsers.
asciilifeform reaches for barf bag
asciilifeform: betcha output wouldn't look anyffin like a civilized, white man latex print either.
signpost: oh, they probably have a page-layout: pls-no-page-numbers-plspls; and so on.
signpost: and somewhere some autist is very proud that he knows them all.
signpost: omg: srsly-no-crapping-the-url-onto-every-page;
signpost was amused to learn that JS accreted destructuring-bind recently (sorta)
pest[asciilifeform]: helloworld
asciilifeform: grr plox to ignore ^, bot tst
asciilifeform: awt: in replays on new bot test, seeing oddities like '13:56 < awt[asciilifeform|asciilifeform|asciilifeform]> Indeed.'
asciilifeform: ^ bug
asciilifeform: awt: in misc. bugreports, bot has been syncing for ~10min nao (and carrying on) but asciilifeform's station still displays 'no packets received...' in 'at' output for same
asciilifeform: also peculiarly, the replays seem to come in bursts , where in given burst -- in order, but the bursts per se in ~random order
asciilifeform: ( evidently the 'reorder' mechanism not worx... )
asciilifeform: billymg: how do you issue wot/at/etc config cmds to your bot w/out disconnecting the logotron from same ?
billymg: asciilifeform: i don't, i start the bot with the --address-table-path flag pointing to bot-at.py file
asciilifeform: billymg: ... and, given that blatta dun seem to support 'slave' -- how do you strip the hearsayism from the logged msgs in your logotron ?
billymg: i mean i start the bot's pest station with that flag
asciilifeform: there dun seem to be a 'keys table path'
billymg: asciilifeform: you'll need this patch for pest network compatibility: http://billymg.com/2022/01/new-logotoron-patches-bug-fixes-and-enhancements/?b=Another&e=lines#select
asciilifeform: hm so it zaps ~all~ hearsay annotations ??
billymg: asciilifeform: no
billymg: they are stored in the db, and they are displayed in the html in the title tag
billymg: just suppressed from the main html printout
asciilifeform: grr so demands mod to reader.py ?
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform was gonna use his good ol' reader.py unchanged
billymg: asciilifeform: what's bad about that?
billymg: asciilifeform: your theme won't be displayed any differently if that's what you're worried about
asciilifeform: was gonna simply plug in bot to throw msgs in db, not open up the hood on reader.py
billymg posted those patches back in january, never heard anything from anyone
billymg also mentioned several times in the logs about the hearsay annotations being in the title tags
billymg: asciilifeform: btw, the keys are embedded in the bot-at.py file, that's how blatta handles it
billymg: asciilifeform: looks like this for ref: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1n_G
asciilifeform: billymg: right, just finally nao asciilifeform got around to testing these w/ own hands, lol
asciilifeform: it aint billymg's fault that asciilifeform made hand-tweaks to own reader.py and so nao can't simply swap out for billymg's w/out headache
billymg: ah, i see
billymg: asciilifeform: could be that applying the patch manually just werks
billymg: ah, here's the part about the hearsay annotations
asciilifeform: aha, saw
asciilifeform: !q uptime
asciilifeform: grr
billymg: asciilifeform: you've got 'is_pest' set to 1 in the bot's config?
asciilifeform: bitbot: absolutely sure
asciilifeform: bot saw the trigger, too. but somehow not seeing its answr on pestnet
asciilifeform: (only in its local blatta log)
billymg: !. uptime
bitbot: billymg: time since my last reconnect : 1d 16h 56m
billymg: (just making sure not some general weather related issue)
asciilifeform: nah 'weather' seems a++
billymg: speaking of, brb, gonna go for a swim
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest << fwiw at least eats
asciilifeform: may have to stop there for nao
asciilifeform: awt ^ the hearsay marking issue from earlier, visible there
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 2m
asciilifeform: there we go
asciilifeform: ( apparently join delay in my cfg still )
asciilifeform will import old msgs from billymg into the thing at some pt
asciilifeform: folx who want to peer directly w/ dulapbot -- plox to gpggram key/at !
asciilifeform still annoyed that one can't issue pest ctrl cmds to a pestron with bot sitting on it
dulapbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-06-18 14:55:36 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest << fwiw at least eats
billymg: yeah, will be good to have this soon, as of now nsa log links on bitdash will tunnel to the wrong line
bitbot: Logged on 2022-06-18 19:03:59 asciilifeform: will import old msgs from billymg into the thing at some pt
asciilifeform: yea
asciilifeform recs not to rely on the indices from dulapbot atm
asciilifeform: in #p
billymg: $ticker btc usd
billymg: c'mon shinohai, i need my busybot fix
awt[asciilifeform|signpost|billymg]: Current BTC price in USD: $18945.25
phf[asciilifeform]: if anybody's awake, can please get a message
asciilifeform: helloworld
phf[asciilifeform]: well well well looks like we gut ourselves a packet
asciilifeform: wb phf . i take it, yer pestron 2way nao ?
asciilifeform plugged an awt pestron into asciilifeform's logotron earlier today
asciilifeform: still needs massage tho