diana_coman: jfw: v.pl does have its quirks and a relatively too-silent/uninformative fail mode, indeed.
diana_coman: yay, welcome back feedbot !
diana_coman: spyked: what are you up to those days?
spyked: diana_coman: juggling the torrent of work coming from saeculum, mostly. also reading and fiddling with feedbot's innards... was just installing some instrumentation in ircbot to figure out how to gracefully handle socket failures
diana_coman: spyked: huh, still or even worse torrent of work? kind of interesting how this goes with "everything-but-not-quite stopped" otherwise,
spyked: it's a tad better than last month, but still pouring in. latest events caused a change in priorities, so the number of people in the project went down and so on, and so the torrent inevitably propagated
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/24/mirroring-the-vtools-v-tree/ << Ossa Sepia -- Mirroring the Vtools V-tree
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/24/ossasepia-logs-for-23-Apr-2020/ << Ossa Sepia -- #ossasepia Logs for 23 Apr 2020
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/24/ossasepia-logs-for-24-Apr-2020/ << Ossa Sepia -- #ossasepia Logs for 24 Apr 2020
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/suburra/ << Trilema -- Suburra
feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/04/24/jfw-review-week-of-20-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW review, week of 20 Apr 2020
jfw waves
jfw: diana_coman: as I see you've maintained it from the blog-log style on trilema, what's the reason behind that character-level wrapping? Am I the only one who finds it a bit... jarring?
jfw: maybe blame it on English for having whitespace delimiters significant to decoding/phonetics, but, they are
jfw recalls Tom Lehrer, "And you may have thought it tragic / Not to mention other adjec / tives to think of all the weeping they will do!"
jfw: hm,ypiensoqueenespanollosespaciossonimportantestambien,peronose,quizaspuedaaclimatarseconunapocapractica
diana_coman: jfw: I couldn't find a solution that is not-jarring; it's also a matter of reader's screen /display so not even something I can actually fully control from my side really.
jfw: I haven't minded the full-width logs, but doesn't work with a narrow fixed-width blog style I guess
diana_coman: lettuce experiment anyway, 1 min
diana_coman: jfw: spot the diff & does it look any better?
jfw: it no longer wraps within words but the justified alignment makes for some big gaps
diana_coman: that's jarring number 2, indeed
diana_coman: hence my earlier "couldn't find a solution that is not-jarring"; just different versions of jarring
jfw: how about giving it more width to work with by having the timestamps inline or hover-only and less or no hanging indent?
diana_coman: do you mean text under the speaker's name?
diana_coman: atm it's tabled so it's easy to follow who said what
jfw: yeah looked like a table
diana_coman: the timestamps could go perhaps on the name indeed, that wouldn't be a problem
diana_coman: but anyway, moving the timestamps away would expand the line a bit, not terribly much
diana_coman: possibly a bit better anyway; and moreover the timestamps as such are rather meaningless anyway
diana_coman: come to think of it - if someone comes in with a nickname awijpetiojp3etj3ptojoq3jtpq3otj3potjqp3otjqp3otjqp3otjq3topj3t3qtpoj3qo3tj , the poor table is fully fucked
diana_coman: though I think freenode has a limit on nickname length
jfw: probably but yeah.
jfw: well, looks great in 'links' at least, since that doesn't do the fixed-width css, heh
diana_coman: that's the spirit!
diana_coman: tbh my own theme used to have % which I find way more reasonable since it doesn't restrict user's screen to whatever number of pixels; but myeah, the themes coming with mpwp were what they were and never quite sunk the time to fully port it; (I don't like css/html that much either)
jfw: I was going to say 'dillo' looked good too, but no, it makes a mess of normal articles. CSS seems to be an all-or-nothing thing.
diana_coman: possibly by the end of this it'll annoy me enough to change the theme too, can be.
jfw: you want to really get annoyed, check the older articles with code like http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/01/eucrypt-chapter-8-bit-level-keccak-sponge/
diana_coman: gah
diana_coman: it looks like something I'd need to go systematically through if it's to get sorted; iirc there were some wild pics too.
diana_coman: ahaha, what's with the zoom-fad all over the world
jfw: skype not cool enough anymore apparently?
diana_coman: eh, skype has been uncool for several years at least for sure; but what I can't get my head around is why just...one; it's like fashion-dream, dunno
diana_coman: and initially I thought maybe it was just ...local, uk-madness; but apparently not so truly...pandemic, I guess; the zoom-infection.
jfw: viral marketing!
diana_coman: by next year it will be forgotten too (and rediscovered with a different name, to restart with the problems etc, ofc)
jfw: just by the time someone will have cooked up a half-working open sores client
diana_coman: by now it's probably enough a quarter-working, it evolved!
diana_coman: tbf probably it looks/works great by comparison to facebook or similar.
jfw: worked fine in my testing, and might help that it's a paid thing
diana_coman: oh, is it? I'm quite sure I saw some free version, maybe it was limited.
diana_coman admits she didn't really want to see much of it at all.
jfw: what I saw was free to join meetings but needs an account to host them
diana_coman: I half-expect the child's school will discover the greatness of zoom any time soon, so I'll find out all about it.
jfw: quite possible.
diana_coman: jfw: takeaways look good to me (even biting the insurance!!)
jfw: thanks
diana_coman: just hm, maybe do push the writing back into some ...working gear?
jfw: yeah and preferably not reverse.
diana_coman: ahaha, indeed!
diana_coman will be back tomorrow.