whaack: jfw: sorry to hear that, hope you get well soon.
whaack: jfw: I like the color choice for the slides, the black background fits the "Monster under Bitcoin Bed" title. The last slide made me reflect.
whaack: idk the context / title of your speech so i'm not sure if it's obvious but if your audience doesn't know that you are also promoting JWRD you may want to mention that you are going to talk about your company at the beginning. This may be just me but personally I tune out when I feel that a presenter has baited me with some interesting opening topic only to start selling their product a few slides in.
whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: Good: It only took 2 seconds to get the AC fix in motion. Way to improve: I irrationally connect the work required for a task to how long it will take before that task is done. It may be a week before the AC technician comes in and cleans the filters or w/e but the time it took me to get that started was ~0. Going forward I'll try to actively work against this irrationality and see if there's more easy frui
whaack: t to pick. Bad: Low motivation during saltines work. WTI: Just muscle through it + By next Sunday create a list of options for next potential job / ways to get cash.
whaack: jfw: by "title of your speech" i meant how your presentation is displayed on any brochure/itinerary the meetup has. iirc there was a discussion about how the pdf that was shared earlier by dorion did not mention JWRD
dorion: whaack good point on the potential "bait and switch". on the one hand, he could probably mitigate in the introduction by explaining the outline upfront. e.g. "this is who I am and what I do. I'm going to start talking about some risks few people consider and finish in explaining the service we've developed to help clients mitigate for these risks."
dorion: on the other hand, if someone that didn't know about any of those risks gets their panties in a bunch that we tell them the solutions we're prepared to provide... perhaps that's a good indication they're not a good fit.
diana_coman: jfw, dorion as much as I like Taleb's books and writings in general, his message there is supporting what you say but not your main message so that first slide (after title one) is just not fitting at all.
diana_coman: also, I get that your slides follow the flow of what you are trying to say but understand that presentations are not exactly like articles in that the audience can't just go back and forth as they want/need so you need to do the crucial bit of that for them so they get most of it
diana_coman: one approach (linked to that reading of stuff 3 times to fully get it) is a. tell them what you'll say b. say it c. tell them what you said
diana_coman: the a. part can be in this case essentially a juicier bait to make them really pay attention (and tbh I think your quote from MP's http://trilema.com/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging ) is possibly better in the beginning - even more so if they do *not* know it/MP because it's new so it has some "interestingness" just in that
diana_coman: and circling back to it at the end is not a problem i.e. now after all this, you have also some idea as to *why* that is so, eh?
diana_coman: jfw, dorion also, please, do write your JWRD credentials on the title slide, why in the world don't you?
diana_coman: jfw, you are the cto there for all intents and purposes, own it already; dorion, you are the ceo there idem for all intents and purposes and what's the trouble with it?
diana_coman: jfw: hope you get better soon
diana_coman: jfw, dorion I hope you'll get to re-use (and refine, sure) those presentations some more at whatever events in there, esp seeing how in the end they took almost a full week to prepare, huh.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-13#1018321 - maybe simply write down/think of the actual task that *you* need to do as opposed to someone else; tbh you do phrase it rather weirdly in that it's never quite fully clear that you'll do ~0 re the AC as such - what you mean to do there is simply to get someone else to do the work, lolz.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-13 02:40:10 whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: Good: It only took 2 seconds to get the AC fix in motion. Way to improve: I irrationally connect the work required for a task to how long it will take before that task is done. It may be a week before the AC technician comes in and cleans the filters or w/e but the time it took me to get that started was ~0. Going forward I'll try to actively work against this irrationality and see if there's
diana_coman: so your task there is "schedule AC apptm" or whatever, not "fix AC"; just use the words properly and help yourself already.
jfw: diana_coman: thanks for the feedback, been working it in.
diana_coman: jfw: glad to hear it made it in time, what can I say.
jfw: Uploaded monsters-2.{pdf,odp}
jfw: re my main point, I see it as: there are dangers in what you don't know about your environment, but solutions exist
jfw: (and let us help you find them!)
jfw: Certainly I expect to reuse this or large parts of it.
diana_coman: jfw: yes, the main point is good as stated; the tricky part as usual is to find the best way to fully get it across esp to a ...innocent audience.
diana_coman: basically to make them properly afraid of their own ignorance (as it's healthy really) and then able to see how you can indeed help.
jfw: mhm
diana_coman: jfw: ah, re taleb my point was really about the slide with his pic + book, not necessarily to take out the whole point; the thing is, version 1 looked like you were advertising taleb's book tbh, lolz.
jfw: heh. I moved him a bit later, to make the point of "okay so there are risks but do they matter? hasn't happened to me"
diana_coman: jfw: re risks if you have at hand concrete examples work best, ofc.
diana_coman is still going through version 2
diana_coman: jfw: "We provide qualified individuals a relatively sane," - awww, do not say that
diana_coman: I know what you mean and why you say it and all that but your clients will hear only the "relatively" and tune out because wtf solution is that
jfw: hm, it's also one of the few points I didn't write on this pass.
diana_coman: jfw: what you provide is a working solution to exclude a LOT of the existing risks that are not in fact *mandatory* and otherwise to mitigate and keep under direct control those risks that still have to be taken.
jfw: so we do.
diana_coman: the HOW that solution works is through a tailored (by JWRD computing) computing environment that *you can and will* customise to meet clients' specific needs and for which you provide full support including but not even limited to in-depth training etc
diana_coman: literally, you are there to help them not be the turkey, what
diana_coman: why are you selling yourself so short there with that slide 14, ouf.
diana_coman: look at it, you focus on founded in 2016 and then began publishing in late 2019 without telling people what really *matters*...
jfw: mmf, I see.
diana_coman: jfw: it's not the founding that matters, nor the beginning of publishing; what matters is: been working *since 2016* to develop, revise, review, tune and *apply* the working solution!
diana_coman: ie you already have *years* of practical experience that you are packaging in your offer there!
diana_coman: they are not buying just a course made like all the rest out of reading "the literature" and 10 slides, ffs
diana_coman: and re 2019, the point there is that now that you have a fully working solution that *has been already deployed* (because you did, that's your pilot set!), you *also* have gained *access* to and support from the WoT that matters
diana_coman: and *that* is important to your audience because a. they are at that specific event precisely on the "oh, not public" - so hit them with the fact that you 2 are the *direct link* to an even more selective "not public" in that way, ok?
diana_coman: and b. through that link you can gain for them too more support /different opportunities when/if needed, that's the point.
diana_coman: jfw: does the above make full sense to you?
diana_coman: and for that matter to dorion when he wakes up I guess.
jfw: diana_coman: the key reframing I'm seeing is putting it from the standpoint of what matters to them.
diana_coman: jfw, dorion you'll have to tell me one day just why couldn't you come with those slides yesterday at 7pm UTC for instance but anyways.
diana_coman: jfw: exactly! since you are talking *to* them, please, always and forever *to people*, not *at people" so yes, what matters to them.
diana_coman: (that is not to say necessarily what they imagine you should say or other such nonsense but it *does* matter what they *should* care about because it is important to what they do/where they are/etc)
diana_coman: does mean* (instead of does matter above)
diana_coman: jfw: any questions /anything else atm?
diana_coman: the rest seems ok at this pass at least.
jfw: nope, and feeling greatful you gave it that second pass.
jfw: *grateful
diana_coman: you're welcome.
diana_coman goes to see about lunch
diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: do you know perhaps of any good refs in English for literary theory and criticism? While I ended up recommending simply Aristotle's Poetics, perhaps there is something in the English space too that I'm just not aware of?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-10 16:25:45 diana_coman: whaack: by the sounds of it you should probably read up first on some literary theory and criticism but now ofc figuring out good English refs for it is a different matter.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-10 16:29:25 diana_coman: whaack: otoh I guess you really can't go wrong reading Aristotle's Poetics
hanbot_abroad: diana_coman, whaack, afaik aside from trilema (particularly annotations, the cs lewis and hayek thingcome to mind for instance), english sorely lacks anything of much use in this vein beyond maybe joseph conrad, and moreover i'm loathe to rec
hanbot_abroad: ommend reading heidegger or any actual theorists in translation. i think the best avenues are either to read and discuss (with non-us-style-academitards) classical lit, and/or learn german and/or french. or in other words, i heartily agree, haha.
diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: thanks! I recall I read at some point something quite sensible by Northrop Frye if memory serves but I never properly reviewed him so I can't say if I was just lucky or what.
hanbot_abroad: hmm, dunno 'im
hanbot_abroad: but yeah, a major reason why english sucks.
diana_coman: the other major reason being possibly the lack of swearing depths, as spyked's latest article helpfully reminds us!
whaack: diana_coman: ack re proper wording for the tasks.
hanbot_abroad: diana_coman literature, swearing, expression...i just noticed the other day for instance that the sheer lack of expressivity in this language was tempting me to interpret statements like "he was good" as having heavy implicit negation of the subject's being good anymore --this sort of forced reading between the lines that often enough makes text bizarre and communication difficult.
diana_coman: hm, makes sense actually; and good technical manuals! /me recalls the horror of French tech texts, lol.