whaack: diana_coman: I have some good news. I heard back from pcgamingcr. They have the fx-8350 + a GA-970A-UD3P rev 2 mother board + Gigabyte GTX 770 4GB video card. The mother board and video card seem to acceptable replacements to the ones I had chosen, I will give them a second review tomorrow morning.
whaack: For tomorrow's unexpected task list: I have a strange error that prevents me from saving drafts of articles on ztkfg. The error is some datetime value is getting set to 0000-00-00 00:00:00. My servers clock / date function seem to be working, and in the error log it shows some fields with the date/time set correctly.
diana_coman: whaack: oh, so you'll be able to get them from cr after all? not ba
diana_coman: not bad*
diana_coman: hm, haven't seen that wp error before but look at the part doing the insert and figure out why it ends up pushing 0000 ; is there some conversion to gmt that fails or what?
whaack: diana_coman: Yes, looks like I'll be able to get everything I need here. (minus the hard drive + thermal paste thimbronion is bringing.)
whaack: diana_coman: ok I will investigate the blog bug later today after my TODOs are done.
diana_coman: whaack: sounds ok.
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman for writing your review.
diana_coman: np
diana_coman: I keep my promises.
asciilifeform: a+++ diana_coman . ( plz see also comment. )
diana_coman: answered.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: is it possible to put links in the comments on your www ? standard syntax ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes
asciilifeform: ty
diana_coman: it will go to modqueue so have a bit of patience until I get to publish it, that's all.
dorion_road: hi diana_coman , good evening. mind giving me an !!up in #t ?
dorion_road: (or anyone else who's willing and able.)
diana_coman: heh, BingoBoingo was faster.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: answr'd
dorion_road: I'd appreciate another !!up in #t, por favor.
diana_coman: dorion_road: you are up, lol
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953609 <- dorion_road
ossabot: (trilema) 2019-11-26 diana_coman: !!up dorion_road
diana_coman: ahaha dorion_road ; fine, let him off the hook there.
dorion_road: ah, scrolled past and this road terminal isn't scrolling up. haven't yet dug into why.
diana_coman: so use a logs window if you are otherwise likely to miss stuff.
dorion_road: ok
whaack: The only decent PCU I could find in stock in a CR store was Seasonic Focus PLUS 850 Gold . Is this one alright? I can pay a little more and wait for an order for my original Corsair RM850x
diana_coman: whaack: so compare them and figure it out
diana_coman: can't even open that page on this machine really.
whaack: diana_coman: It is an awful website..maybe a red flag in and of itself.
whaack: diana_coman: And yes I am doing my own research on these parts in addition to asking in chan. If you'd rather I wait and write another blog article with an updated list instead of posting each item in chan individually I can do that as well.
BingoBoingo: whaack: As far as I know Seasonic doesn't make bad power supplies. I put a Seasonic in the Qntrabox. The important thing is making sure you have enough plugs coming out of the supply to deliver power to the things you want in the machine.
diana_coman: whaack: not necessarily article but say directly what the issue is that you can't decide yourself
diana_coman: eg I looked and they have same characteristics but it's only brand different or that has more power but the other one has ...
whaack: diana_coman: Okay will do. BingoBoingo answered the question I should have made explicit "The specs on this Seasonic Focus Plus 850 Gold look fine, but I have not heard of Seasonic, has anyone had a good/bad experience with one of their PSUs?"
diana_coman: whaack: what does it mean "look fine" ? are they the same /how different from the one you were looking at, previously?
BingoBoingo: The nice to have upgrade is a "modular" supply where you can disconnect cables you don't use to keep them from cluttering your case, but whether that's worth it depends on availability.
whaack: diana_coman: The criteria of 'the specs look fine' were: it has the same wattage, it meets the 80 Plus standard, it has the right size.
diana_coman: whaack: should be all right ; is that same shop you buy the rest of components?
whaack: diana_coman: Yes, from pcgamingcr. Took me a while to hear from them but now I am messaging a responsive sales person.
diana_coman: whaack: ftr you should normally look in more detail beyond the total wattage but anyway, both of those PSUs are quite all right from what I se.e
diana_coman: ok.
whaack: diana_coman: Right now I am ordering from pcgamingcr and cococo.co.cr. I am trying to cut out bestcomputersa if possible because their point person has been hard to work with and I want to reduce the number of deliveries I may have to pick up.
diana_coman: whaack: makes sense.
jfw: whaack: I have used a Seasonic too without trouble.
whaack: jfw: great to hear!
diana_coman: jfw: since the tech work got pushed full speed in front, it makes sense to get it all published and be done with that part iirc there's more still waiting, isn't there?
jfw: diana_coman: there is, and makes sense
diana_coman: the likelihood being ofc that once that's done there will be yet another pile of tech pushed happily on but anyways.
jfw: I hear the concern.
whaack: diana_coman: Another question is what is the best investment to make regarding a UPS. Taking what I learned from attempting to buy a car, I figure I want a UPS that has easy-to-find battery replacements. cococo.co.cr carries ~only APC's, a brand which you've used a unit from successfully for 6 years, but asciilifeform said he 'had many headaches' with.
diana_coman: whaack: you certainly DO want to be able to find battery replacements, yes; (though it should be quite a few years until you need to replace the battery).
jfw: whaack, fwiw I've been fine with APC BackUPS units. My current failed one is a cheapo Forza.
diana_coman: I still have APCs, too.
BingoBoingo: I've only heard bad things about Forza UPS systems
asciilifeform: whaack et al : my observation is that it is less important which vendor, but that you get a ~rack~-type unit (regardless of whether for rack or desk.) these tend to be made solidly (i.e. w/ actual forced air cooling, and 24/7 inverter sinusoid rather than 'on demand' crapola) and use arrays of ~standard~ 12v gel cells that you can buy ~anywhere on planet
asciilifeform: konsoomer ups tends to use proprietary (or at least hard-to-find) 'cartridge' rather than standard lead-acid thing w/ simple iron '+'/'-' contacts
asciilifeform: e.g. my particular historic favourite takes 4 x 12v 9A/hr cells, sold around world (for e.g. alarm systems) .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-20 19:47:08 asciilifeform: diana_coman: for ~decade nao i use several 'liebert' GXT2-1000RT120 (on diff comps), they work a++ (so long as you remember to buy new cells erry 2-3y) ; formerly apc (of simil. size) , w/ apc had many headaches.
asciilifeform: the other thing you get from 'industrial' ups is ability to expand (has lugs on the back for 48v) , on konsoomer units is absent, given as normally they do not in fact have proper cooling and so not rated to run for >15m or whatever the internal cell permits
diana_coman: asciilifeform: do note that he is building his *first* computere there
asciilifeform: lastly -- may be obv. to thinking folx, but do not use automobile battery indoors, no matter how cheap & tempting. vents h2.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right. but asked re ups, so i'd like to put on record.
diana_coman: sure, thanks.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: apc co. is sometimes derisively called among dc folx 'american potato company' -- but may be a cruel libel, my dislike for'em is entirely from having used the cheapo konsoomer line in '90s. for all i know, their high end items are reasonably solid.
asciilifeform: jfw: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-26#1002767 in case missed .
snsabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-11-26 asciilifeform: jfw: your crate has been sent. tracking # in pgpgram.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, he even acknowledged, no/
ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-11-26 jfw: asciilifeform: will do.
diana_coman: ?
jfw: ^ :)
asciilifeform: aa damn.
asciilifeform: nm then.
asciilifeform too many terminals, not enuff eyes.
diana_coman: even eyes don't scale
whaack: asciilifeform and diana_coman: Alright. Just got off the phone with cococo.co.cr to confirm what UPS's they ~actually~ have. I am choosing between the $550 APC-Smart-UPS-1500VA-LCD and the $1,000 rac kAPC Smart-UPS 3000VA LCD RM 2U 120V
asciilifeform: whaack: these prices seem imho to have an extra 0 in'em. but tbf i've never once bought such a thing 'new in box'.
asciilifeform: whaack et al : is there no such thing as 2ndhand iron market in all of cr ??
whaack: asciilifeform: hanbot said she's had little success apart from craigslist
ossabot: (trilema-hanbot) 2019-11-10 hanbot: i never had much luck with the whole mercadolibre/online marketplace side of things there, with the exception of craigslist of all things, which has occasionally been useful for trading with gringos.
asciilifeform: naturally you ~will~ want fresh 12v cells in yours. but e.g. my 'liebert' was built in 1990s and still runs (swapped 3 fans in last 10y, admittedly, and of course cells erry 3y. but aside from this, ~eternal)
asciilifeform: whaack: i would not pay 1000 for item that can be bought in usa for 100 and mailed for 300. but if you need it ~quickly~ (as it seems from thread) you will have to go with what is available.
whaack: asciilifeform: I need it soon, but I think I can wait an extra week to save ~$900
asciilifeform: whaack: are you able/willing to use dirty heathen payment processors (e.g. 'paypal') ? then can 'ebay' or similar.
whaack: asciilifeform: Yes I am although it is something that doesn't sit well with me
asciilifeform if lived in an orcistan where cannot get civilized ups, would do differently : buy atx ps that runs from 12v input, and wire it in parallel w/ a bank of 12v gel cels. entirely as good as ups, w/ the exception of lacking automatic gauge / shutdown trigger.
asciilifeform: if you think about it -- it's rather barbaric that folx burn watts on sinusoid inverter to get 120/220v only to then turn it back to 12v dc yer pc ultimately eats
BingoBoingo: Rackmount DC power supplies that feed servers 12v direct are a thing I discovered exist back in 2017 when shopping for proto-pizarro. The "how to feed a computer power" rabbit hole can go deep if you let it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i had a chance to see close-up various heavy infrastructural irons in dc. many in fact eat 48v straight from the battery banks.
asciilifeform: this as i understand was also common in the old telephonic world.
BingoBoingo: May have been inherited from telephonics
asciilifeform: it was. and in the old times there was not even such at thing available as a cheap/efficient (i.e. semiconductor) inverter.
asciilifeform: edison's dc grid may not have made sense for new york city, but makes eminent sense inside 1 machine hall.