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mats: i know a few that have gone to vn and ph
asciilifeform: mats: did they write back?
mats: one teaches boxing and jiujitsu, the other teaches
mats: english
asciilifeform: mats: popular profession for english folx in orcistans afaik
asciilifeform: mats: but, did they find what they were looking for when escaped, tho?
asciilifeform: (presumably not moved concretely 'so could teach english')
mats: i never asked
mats: i imagine they wanted to trade the us ferris wheel for another one, where they have greater social status on account of foreign-ness and good incomes by local standards
asciilifeform: rright but would think even 1 would brag, 'i finally have 3 chix and own uboat!' etc
mats: they don't have kako money
asciilifeform: moving to orcistans w/out money is... interesting proposition
mats: one has a ~1k/mo medical retirement that should direct deposit for his entire natural life
asciilifeform: iirc shinohai similar
asciilifeform: then makes sense ( try live in usa on that, lol )
mats: not bad for se asia, but not livable as a gentleman in the us
mats: guy got tired of bouncing and smoking weed during the day
mats: makes me wonder how many malingerers are on the dole in the us, who play up mild ptsd symptoms during checkups every couple years
mats: an excellent scam
asciilifeform: mats: recall the old tlp piece re subj
asciilifeform: 'over9000'
TomServo: billymg: I've been following your gentoo guide (thank you). I'm wondering if you've run into this issue of being unable to compile gnupg-1.4.X with the version of GCC you end up with (11.3.0)?
asciilifeform: wb TomServo
asciilifeform: TomServo: don't count on any sane softs being buildable with gcc >= 5
TomServo: Beyond that, I wonder if the systemd wackamole is too much for my peabrain to handle. Running into the tmpfiles issue as well.
TomServo: Greetings asciilifeform
asciilifeform: TomServo: if you want hygiene, yer moar or less stuck w/ 'dulap gentoo' (or signpost's experimental thing)
TomServo: asciilifeform: I'd like as much hygiene one could hope on a 'daily driver' with xorg - mainly no systemd and able to run a node.
TomServo: billymg omits your gcc >= 5 ban because the stage3 comes with a higher version number, but includes the ban on gnupg >= 2.0.22.
asciilifeform: TomServo: fwiw asciilifeform xorgs on dulap-gentoo
asciilifeform: (thing is orig. based off the gentoo asciilifeform had been using daily for decade and half)
asciilifeform: well, from '16 snapshot. but at that time was still edible.
billymg: hey TomServo
TomServo: Ahoy billymg
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112464 << "bug" on my part, that guide should probably drop the gnupg >= 2.0.22 ban also. as asciilifeform pointed out, only option for truly hygienic is dulap or pentacle
bitbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 10:27:22 TomServo: billymg omits your gcc >= 5 ban because the stage3 comes with a higher version number, but includes the ban on gnupg >= 2.0.22.
billymg: regarding gcc 4.9, i think you can emerge that even on bleeding edge gentoo, you just need to find an ebuild for it and add it to your local repo
TomServo: billymg: Ah, I see - thank you. Still need to wrap my brain around ebuilds.
billymg: however, some of these questions are making me reconsider the point of that particular guide. i meant it more as a beginner's intro into the basics of gentoo / portage config, but the resulting system won't be completely systemd-free by the time you get to installing xorg, etc. (will be free of "systemd" but not other "systemdisms", such as tmpfiles)
billymg: asciilifeform: i'd love to see your recipe for xorg on dulap
billymg: you will be able to build and run trb though, see http://billymg.com/2022/01/building-trb-on-a-2022-vintage-musl-gentoo/
billymg: if on non-musl, it goes more like: spin up dulap/pentacle chroot -> build static bin
billymg has part 2 saved as a draft (where installs xorg), and part 3 (setting up v dev environment) as loose notes
billymg: part 3 is probably where i should include steps for adding gcc 4.9
billymg: i also wrote the guide partially for myself (i've used it twice now for setting up non-mission critical gentoos, and i sometimes reference it for commands i forget)
TomServo: billymg: You're statisfied with gnupg 2.0.22 on these builds? I thought > 1.4 had been corrupted somehow. I haven't gone back through the logs to see why.
billymg: TomServo: at some point i just gave up trying to have my daily driver configured to republican standards, and now simply use separate machines for separate tasks
billymg: i still like using gentoo though, to have the ability to build programs with only a minimal set of deps, and set up a graphical environment sans desktop
asciilifeform: billymg: sadly asciilifeform never properly wrote recipe for xorg -- will say that it 1) muchly depends on the gpu backend yer using ( asciilifeform -- amd ) ; and 2) consisted of ~month of trial&error, manually emerging package by package with --no-deps and walking the barf tree
billymg: asciilifeform: even includes working browser?
asciilifeform: billymg: 'chromium' (and an ancient ff)
asciilifeform: fwiw closed shitware 'chrome' runs on dulap-gentoo-cum-xorg
asciilifeform: not tried anyffin else (not counting 'lynx' & friends)
signpost: TomServo: I rec asciilifeform's dulap. mine's still a baby.
shinohai: But it's an *adorable* baby signpost
signpost: thing's great, just going to be WIP for a while.
asciilifeform: dulap-gentoo has rather obv. problems (in 'fan mail', 1 fella described it as 'a coprolith', lol) but does work.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1010895 << I turned my Pest station off temporarily, but will start it again soon.
dulapbot: (pest) 2022-07-28 billymg[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-27#1112369 << added this yesterday, don't see any packets from you yet though
dulapbot: (pest) 2022-07-28 billymg[asciilifeform]: i'll try generating some keys for you to peer with bitbot and crawlerbot, might have some luck there (e.g. signpost peered no problem with bitbot, but to this day no luck with this station)
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112484 << package-management is still an unsolved problem.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 11:34:54 asciilifeform: billymg: sadly asciilifeform never properly wrote recipe for xorg -- will say that it 1) muchly depends on the gpu backend yer using ( asciilifeform -- amd ) ; and 2) consisted of ~month of trial&error, manually emerging package by package with --no-deps and walking the barf tree
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-27#1112398 << the SAT seems similar in content to some IQ tests.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-27 16:41:34 asciilifeform: for overseas folx -- this re usa 'sat', which features strictly basic arithmetic and english lang
gregorynyssa: in the sense that it is trying to measure general thinking apart from knowledge.
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: used to be moar olympiady, supposedly.
asciilifeform: today is 'have you got a pulse'
vex: you'd fit a few pick and place lines in there asciilifeform
asciilifeform: vex: why?!
asciilifeform: make what? for whom?
asciilifeform wonders wtf is rattling around in vex's crankcase
vex: hey, it's a blank canvas.
asciilifeform: for what, vex ??
asciilifeform: go, fill it.
vex: samsung is down the road, mebbe contract for them
vex: you get 2 years tax free
vex: or build clock radios into spock absorbers for the sa market
vex: samsung might even help you tool up
asciilifeform: vex: can you.. count ? 7e3 x 3.5 == 24.5k$ / mo. for the empty warehouse. add whatever goes in it. does vex know how to make in the black? why aint he there then.
vex: more like 50k
asciilifeform: what didja lose in there, vex ?
asciilifeform: why aintcha building those 'spock assorbers' ?
vex: lol.
vex: never been to south america, but i'm guessing the loopholes are really nooses
asciilifeform: vex: for whom hole, for whom -- noose. see e.g. phf's travel notes.
vex: the office space and workers quarters are part of the deal on the rent there
asciilifeform: vex: talk to the folx lookin' to turn 1e7$ into 1e8. what's this gotta do with asciilifeform ??
vex: those numbers sound about right. I was just thinking how you might like vn.
asciilifeform: vex: asciilifeform has 0 reason to think he'd like vn
asciilifeform: hot, sticky mess, rice kingdom
vex: they have those old guys on bicycles who sharpen knives
asciilifeform: they had'em on asciilifeform's home world, what of it
asciilifeform: saw 1 in timis in '17 also. they're eternal.
vex: I've never been much futher east than berlin, I've never seen that part of the world
asciilifeform: vex: so go, see.
vex: yeah, I started to feel like I didn't fit in
vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112523 <don't even need aero to encounter eg. mobbed up serbs
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 19:34:03 asciilifeform: vex: for whom hole, for whom -- noose. see e.g. phf's travel notes.
vex wonders if he's ever asked before, whether phf has been down under
vex: any modern day explorer might land and still find it describable as terra nullius
vex: so boring since covid, it's been years since the fishwraps reported a dessicated kraut in the desert.
vex: der landcruiser ist kaput, lemme just walk back to town
vex: hey shinohai, that'd make super pissen pron
vex: beerhall dream sequence with busty biermaidens
vex: helmut wakes up to a freckle face milly alcock lookalike. "you right cunt"?
vex: you can see where this is going. asciilifeform has used zophillia too often
vex: ie as a generalised descriptor for something completely different
vex: as to the question of what's in my crankcase. i run extra bearings.
vex: to account for the imbalance
vex: i think i'd be an asset in your silcone fab operation
vex: in a myriad of ways
vex: firstly, I'm goal driven. money is nice but igaf
vex: secondly, i'm really good at lateral thinking and motivating cunts
vex: thirdly, i've previously invented precesses thate are indispensible
asciilifeform: vex: as soon as you also invent what to manufacture (and plz not 'cunt plugs for samsung') we'll start..
vex: i only really thought samsung to get financing.
vex: nubbins would love those kimchi parties
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112535 << aint heard yet of mobbed up slovenians, for sumreason
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 21:25:27 vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112523 <don't even need aero to encounter eg. mobbed up serbs
vex: me niether. maybe they just keep outta the fishwrap :)
asciilifeform considering recon expedition to subj (next summer?)
vex: why not sooner?
asciilifeform: wat's the hurry
vex: yolo?
asciilifeform: lang prep 1st
vex: that's jurov's jurisdiction if i'm not mistaken
asciilifeform: nah , he was in slovakia
vex: fuck. cointoss failed
asciilifeform: in slovenia, was kako
vex: where will you go?
vex: in slovenia?
asciilifeform: prolly ljubljana
vex: the train goes everywhere I suppose?
vex: pls to describe the cheeses when you do go
vex: and do take mrs stan to a nudie beach
vex: which is prolly a lake or croatia
vex: or just the park
vex: don't sauna. it's wird
vex: doeth slovenia have mild winters?
vex: kako isn't about to pop in and fill in the blanks. we aren't exactly friends
vex: in fact, considering how there's mention of his wealth, I have a nonzero worry about a price on my head
vex: nevermind, slovenians have never made it to oz
asciilifeform: vex: did say 'recon', not 'beach' neh
asciilifeform: beach -- can go here, for ~0$
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