adlai|textonly: how exactly did I end up as one goalpost of this musing on nomenclature?
    
    dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 13:59:18 verisimilitude: I thought to myself, ``Would the former offend adlai, and would the latter offend asciilifeform?''.
    
    adlai|textonly: ... and in case there's no wetter paint than the semiotics of offense: arbitrary jokes about various acts of genocide typically don't offend people who tend to not take things personally.
    
    adlai|textonly: I'd be much more offended if you directly attacked me, for being descended from one or another clade, than if you named your program after some textbook example of wholesale human failure (and triumph, although folks tend to focus on the sad stories instead of the rebellions)
    
    adlai|textonly: one of my long-dead relatives from the generation that fled Europe made a terrible face and cut off conversation after being told that I was going to Germany for vacation; that kinda made me take a skeptical view of offense on behalf of stereotypes and racism, before I could spell either of those words in any language myself.
    
    thimbronion: https://twitter.com/BosozokuTerKen/status/1520896928149491714 not actually spandrell but lol
    
    vex: hey cdd, how's it going mate?
    
    crtdaydreams: vex man, not too bad, how about you?
    
    crtdaydreams: I expect you've been on a little voyage past few weeks?
    
    vex: yeah good. yer blog's looking good
    
    vex: yeah put down the whiskey for a bit
    
    crtdaydreams: thanks, I have a few ideas in the works
    
    crtdaydreams: that's great mate, feeling better overall?
    
    vex: yes, it's different
    
    crtdaydreams: you back on mainland?
    
    vex: I actually just went for a roadtrip
    
    crtdaydreams: ah, righto
    
    crtdaydreams: where to?
    
    vex: Just swaggin around, got a motel in Longreach one night
    
    vex: looking at the stars and riding straight past every pub
    
    crtdaydreams: riding? you go on a 2-wheeler?
    
    vex: yeah
    
    crtdaydreams: can't imagine taking a car, now I think about it. too expensive to run.
    
    crtdaydreams: where else did you go?
    
    vex: I camped by a river one night, pretty fucking speccy, didn't look at the map much
    
    vex: You'd just chuck a few drums of farm diesel on the back, wouldn't you? You'd get to Perth
    
    crtdaydreams: yeah, actually the ute got cooked.
    
    crtdaydreams: radiator hose blew out at the bottom
    
    vex: didn't notice?
    
    crtdaydreams: not until the engine light came on
    
    vex: is it fucked?
    
    crtdaydreams: nah, took her out wandoan way for a couple weeks helping a relly, no problems
    
    crtdaydreams: then took her all the back to ippy for easter with some other rellys
    
    crtdaydreams: I was driving home and it was misfiring
    
    vex: yeah nice.
    
    crtdaydreams: so got her towed back home, might be loosing water, can't really tell
    
    crtdaydreams: s/loosing/losing/
    
    vex: just drive it into a hole and tell the boss you need a new cruiser
    
    crtdaydreams: haha, nah we'll do some work on it
    
    crtdaydreams: it's worth fixing
    
    vex: yeah, there's somthin  g to be said for a familiar machine
    
    crtdaydreams: besides, I wouldn't want to touch any of this new crap anyway
    
    crtdaydreams: pain in the behind to service, and everything's designed to break, be it electronic or wear.
    
    vex: I was dreaming about a 40 series, then I looked at the prices
    
    crtdaydreams: could easily get half a mil on the clock for some of these old engines, but you'd be lucky to get a quarter nowadays
    
    crtdaydreams: yeah, the 40 series just keep going, but you do get injector pump troubles on 'em
    
    crtdaydreams: I'd still be inclined to get one and do it up
    
    vex: Any old rusty pile is worth coin
    
    crtdaydreams: "One mans trash is anothers treasure"
    
    crtdaydreams: Yeah, when you see what some of these ancient car resto guys pull off and work from.
    
    vex: have you driven the recent v8 toyota? fuck they're nice when they're not in the shop
    
    crtdaydreams: nah, I don't get to play with new stuff often
    
    crtdaydreams: what's the trouble with 'em?
    
    vex: just too complicated I think. don't know much about them
    
    crtdaydreams: I imagine they also chew through fuel
    
    vex: yeah, but they haul arse
    
    crtdaydreams: 430Nm torque @ 1,200
    
    crtdaydreams: bloody hell
    
    vex: what's a silverado?
    
    crtdaydreams: chevy?
    
    crtdaydreams: 6.6L
    
    crtdaydreams: V8
    
    vex: it'd get wedged between the first two trees it saw tho
    
    crtdaydreams: Bwahahahaha
    
    crtdaydreams: I know a guy who got one of the new 2021 rangers, pretty flash, I don't think he's had much trouble with it _yet_
    
    vex: they look pretty nice
    
    crtdaydreams: A beaut to ride in, I didn't get a chance to drive her.
    
    vex: getting pretty popular, they must be okay
    
    crtdaydreams: I don't like the tub though.
    
    vex: why not?
    
    crtdaydreams: It's too deep (which might be a boon for some) but it makes getting anything up the back hell.
    
    crtdaydreams: It wouldn't be a problem if it was lower
    
    verisimilitude: ``if it were lower''
    
    crtdaydreams: But it's really designed for >=5'9" guys
    
    vex: chuck a tufftray on it, they make an integrated ramp
    
    crtdaydreams: It also comes with default support bars going up to the cab which just add to the nightmare. You can't reach anything.
    
    crtdaydreams: Sides also don't come down, so don't count on storing your tools on the back.
    
    crtdaydreams: Yep. But some of those trays go in the order of >$8000 bucks starting
    
    vex: the truck ain't cheap to begin with
    
    crtdaydreams: Yeah, but it's not like you can sell the default tub back to em.
    
    vex: they don't sell em without?
    
    crtdaydreams: mebbe, not sure.
    
    crtdaydreams: I still wouldn't touch em. In the contract you're not allowed to sell it for ~3 years?
    
    vex: dafuq?
    
    vex: I heard toyota were trying something like that actually
    
    
    
    crtdaydreams: supposed to stop scalpers
    
    crtdaydreams: which is a pretty BS excuse imo
    
    vex: I think I read that the contracts were more guidelines than actual rules
    
    crtdaydreams: all fun and games until you're taken to court for selling your 2025 edition 2 years into your 5 year contract
    
    crtdaydreams: might be more applicable to denizens of the USG though. not sure how well it'll fare over here
    
    vex: toyota australia siad they won't sell you another cruiser if you onsell
    
    crtdaydreams: that's a far more reasonable approach
    
    vex: you're prolly gonna hodl it for 3 yrs anyway, but if you come with another 100k, I'm guessing you're good
    
    vex: hey, you've got a fab shop, you should do trays
    
    crtdaydreams: eh, you'd be surprised. I know people who use cars for a year or so, sell it while it's above exponential depreciation point and buy another
    
    crtdaydreams: Steel's pretty hard going right now.
    
    vex: 8k sounds like a good deal
    
    crtdaydreams: Yeah, I guess. Gotta be that market though. I know a few places around here that've filled it.
    
    vex: what about styleside conversions? use all those wasted tubs
    
    crtdaydreams: mind if I DM?
    
    vex: dogbox for the poodle etc
    
    crtdaydreams: I've seen some cool mods where the taillights are mounted on rollers and you've got your toolset in behind the taillight
    
    vex: lol, you're right mate, no worries
    
    vex: logs don't wanna hear 10 pages of ute talk
    
    crtdaydreams: might be surprised
    
    vex: phf will be creaming his jocks
    
    crtdaydreams: bwahahaha
    
    crtdaydreams: err how to segue into #a
    
    vex: I'm thinging about fitting out a case with some new hardware
    
    crtdaydreams: vex: what's your existing case form factor?
    
    vex: its a mini itx I suppose but it'll fit a proper motherboard i think
    
    vex: it can go in the bin
    
    crtdaydreams: you got an acc with umart?
    
    vex: are they good?
    
    vex: i'm familiar with mwave, scorptech and msy
    
    crtdaydreams: from my experience, yep. though compared to other places might be a little more expensive
    
    vex: I like msy. for the soup nazi experience
    
    crtdaydreams: never heard of msy til now
    
    vex: they don't ship, you line up
    
    crtdaydreams: well, what's your price range?
    
    crtdaydreams: bwahahaha
    
    vex: nothings ever in stock, so you need a 9 dimensional backup plan
    
    vex: Ideally I don't wanna spend more than 500 aud
    
    vex: you should experience msy
    
    vex: they won't tell you whats compatible, and the overworked man at the counter has a `no refunds' face
    
    vex: talk fast and know your shit, they'll start finding parts
    
    crtdaydreams: sorry was soldering
    
    crtdaydreams: lol
    
    crtdaydreams: the one time I went to umart in brisbane, I rocked up at the place looking to buy an SSD
    
    vex: is umart chinesey?
    
    crtdaydreams: (the same nvme drive which I have not used since I brought it, awaiting a working gentoo build)
    
    crtdaydreams: nah, its just fast
    
    crtdaydreams: but I went to there place, and lo and behold, there's nothing
    
    crtdaydreams: the store is an empty shell
    
    crtdaydreams: apparently they no longer have a "store" as such, it's all online
    
    crtdaydreams: the building is just a warehouse/dropoff point
    
    vex: msy has shit on the shelves, gotta make friends with the checkout chang, or he won't look
    
    crtdaydreams: lmfao
    
    crtdaydreams: bet they got loads of ASRock stock
    
    vex: nothing rong with some asrock
    
    vex: cat fur, salt spray, that shit is built tuff
    
    crtdaydreams: ye
    
    crtdaydreams: got DOA board once
    
    crtdaydreams: 11th gen i7
    
    crtdaydreams: tiger lake or sumthin
    
    crtdaydreams: mobo bios was bricked
    
    crtdaydreams: new board of the same, and would freeze up windows
    
    crtdaydreams: bios update fixed it
    
    crtdaydreams: apparently run smooth eva since
    
    vex: I haven't got one recently
    
    crtdaydreams: not my pc btw, just one I put together for a folk
    
    crtdaydreams: vex: what'd ya say yer case was?
    
    vex: lemme look
    
    vex: nope it's dusty as fuck, it going in the bin
    
    crtdaydreams: not gonna grab out the compressor?
    
    crtdaydreams: it's probably 1/5th of ya budget for a new case
    
    vex: ok, it's a half height, I dunno how to describe
    
    crtdaydreams: midget case, ok ok
    
    crtdaydreams: well, er. depends if ya wanna upgrade in the near future
    
    vex: probably, I don't wanna change everything everytime
    
    crtdaydreams: aight, so worth splurging a little on the case
    
    vex: i did see teenage engineering has a flatpack orange thing
    
    vex: their motto is bend once
    
    vex: the case doesn't matter, i'll bolt it to a bit of plywood if I need to
    
    crtdaydreams: mebbe "fuck it" and throw it in a fishtank of mineral oil. no coolers, nothin'
    
    vex: I do like quiet
    
    crtdaydreams: does heat up over time, so rec to buy radiator and just circulate oil
    
    vex: https://teenage.engineering/products/computer-1 can I fit 2 Xenons in this?
    
    crtdaydreams: bwahahaha, if you made your own board stack it'd be possible
    
    crtdaydreams: stick a block in the middle and bolt two boards with a bus together for m-atx form
    
    crtdaydreams: vex: white or black
    
    vex: black obvo, if orange isn' an oftion
    
    vex: option
    
    vex: I think we're gonna need more coin
    
    vex: i think i've got a ryzen 5 and 64 gigs, just need a mobo
    
    crtdaydreams: oh lol, why'd ya not say sooner
    
    crtdaydreams: need to know specs for ryzen 5 && ram
    
    vex: i pulled the stickers off and it won't boot. i forget
    
    vex: ok, say money is no object and spec me out at machine
    
    vex: how much memory can i run on an i7 for instance?
    
    crtdaydreams: vex: that specsheet i mentioned is nomore
    
    crtdaydreams: lost to bitrot
    
    vex: perhaps I should bin the ram. if i recall its 2666
    
    crtdaydreams: woulda sent you that specsheet, I don't really have any more time to throw at it
    
    vex: nevermind, i'll throw some cycles at it
    
    crtdaydreams: righto, lemme know how it goes will ya
    
    crtdaydreams: gotta head o/
    
    vex: will do
    
    vex: verisimilitude, have you ever lined up at the chinese computer shop for a battle of wits?
    
    verisimilitude: No.
    
    vex: buy online?
    
    verisimilitude: I do, rarely.
    
    vex: do you smoke weed verisimilitude ?
    
    vex: me niether
    
    vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-01#1099442 can you imagine getting corralled liek this. you'd need uncle vex
    
    dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-01 19:26:11 thimbronion: https://twitter.com/BosozokuTerKen/status/1520896928149491714 not actually spandrell but lol
    
    verisimilitude: No.
    
    vex: or uncle adlai; he's been to the drunk tank once or twice
    
    verisimilitude: I prefer sobriety at all times, lest I do something foolish.
    
    vex: a nobel endeavour in my book
    
    vex: you'll never fight 4 cops
    
    vex: you might get locked in a nuthouse forever tho; consider measured violence
    
    verisimilitude: Okay.
    
    vex: don't listen to me
    
    vex: do get a speedball tho
    
    vex: it's good work
    
    vex: and the muscle moemory will bang a guy onn the nose so you can escape
    
    vex: life is hard, dont be a victim
    
    vex: MAYBE YOU'VE GOT A 45 IN YOUR POCKET
    
    vex: accidental caps
    
    vex: BingoBoingo, proof of life pls
    
    vex: it's been too long.
    
    vex: the sadness when you're getting off the bottle
    
    vex: i hope he's not hanging from the rafters
    
    vex: check the topic BingoBoingo
    
    
    
    asciilifeform tuned in but still hands full atm
    
    dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-29 10:52:26 asciilifeform: up to neck in commercial liquishit, will surface in day or 2
    
    vex: soz alfie
    
    verisimilitude: Explain ``soz''.
    
    vex: new speak for sorry
    
    vex: sorry not sorry
    
    vex: tv here is playing the fifth element 5 times on the fifth of may
    
    vex: 5 times in a row from midday
    
    vex: I'm hoping BingoBoingo is spooked by the war, still alive
    
    vex: I'm spooked too