asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $40083.28
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=684919
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=685155
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.084s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=685157
watchglass: 108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.103s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=685159 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=685157 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.158s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=685157
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=685157
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.221s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=685157
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.283s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=685157
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=685159
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
zx2c4: Hi. Per /topic, I'm not a lurker/spamharvester. I'm Jason.
asciilifeform: hi zx2c4 . i recall you from #t, 'wireguard' fella.
zx2c4: That's me
asciilifeform: btw zx2c4 your proggy seems to be mega-popular, i regularly encounter users in commercial world. ask'em to pitch in a penny each, could handily build own irc net or just about anything short of mars colony
zx2c4: heh, yea, it's gotten pretty big. the project lives on "donations" still, rather than charging people for things, which sadly means project success != financial success. so it goes with open source software.
zx2c4: every company expects for some other company to support the project. tragedy of the commons situation
zx2c4: i vaguely recall being /kick'd from #t at somepoint for "panhandling" or something
asciilifeform: zx2c4: #t had at one time a plague of various ??? walking in and 'gimme coin'. they could 'smell' mp et al's coin, from great distance, like proverbial flies/shit
trinque: welcome back zx2c4
zx2c4: asciilifeform: hahh, makes sense
zx2c4 waves to trinque
asciilifeform vaguely recalls a minor flamefest w/ zx2c4 over automated program checkers or sumsuch. 2018.
zx2c4: ahh yes, formal methods skepticism because of too many computers and not enough chalk, iirc
verisimilitude: Hello zx2c4; I've actually read the relevant logs showing me some of that discussion.
verisimilitude: Now, Wireguard is that program that recently had FreeBSD drama from a bad implementation, right?
zx2c4: verisimilitude: indeed, pretty gnarley. have since rewritten basically all of it... https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-freebsd/
verisimilitude: Alright; I've heard about Wireguard, then.
verisimilitude: How long is it, and has it ever decreased in size as opposed to growing?
verisimilitude: I don't intend to bother, so that will be my last question for now.
zx2c4: verisimilitude: hey, sorry, no problem. wasnt at my computer when you messaged earlier
zx2c4: its gotten larger in some ways, smaller in others, but basically no new features, and just refinements to algorithms
zx2c4: for example...
zx2c4: 2 files changed, 57 insertions, 84 deletions
zx2c4: lots of changes of that variety
asciilifeform meanwhile revisited this. as he's done just about every year since 2004. and with same result.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-03 19:22:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-03#1015764 << i've a pertinent tale : 10y ago, asciilifeform tried to write a (naively, thought...) very simple proggy :
asciilifeform: ( see also. )
asciilifeform: last item tried, was this one. which simply won't build on any box of mine, turns out.
zx2c4: re:rich text editor UI... https://blog.cmpxchg8b.com/2020/09/finding-console-word-processor.html in case you've given up on GUIs
zx2c4: gregorynyssa: ^
asciilifeform: zx2c4: i already have emacs for ~that~ lol
trinque: asciilifeform: who hasn't written this hypertext database editor over and over, lol
trinque: I helped incinerate about $3mil building just such once upon a time.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm consulting for 1 of these even as we speak.
asciilifeform: trinque: i won't even dare to guess how much dough burned there...
trinque chortles
asciilifeform: and incidentally it is 99+% of what i want from a computer, full stop.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-03 19:24:41 asciilifeform: ... was to be very basic text editor where edits db entries, each one titled w/ arbitrary string. principle being, 1st pair of [[ ... ]] in the text is title of given entry; and any subsequent [[ ... ]] become clickable links to other entries. with tab-completion and floating selector while typed. ( plan included other knobs, but this alone already gives very useful item imho )
trinque: yeah, I want an ergonomic taxonomentron, and atop that a trustworthy calculator, then ability to fart structured messages at my friends.
trinque: can park it right there for all I care, don't even have that.
trinque: *taxonometron
asciilifeform: trinque: more dire: apparently ~impossible even to write winblows notepad clone for any current os, w/out invoking apicrapolade
asciilifeform: there are 0 working examples of text editor ab-initio that are in any sense readable.
asciilifeform: hell, even emacs ~still~ doesn't have smooth scrolling, because apparently requires gpu voodoo that no one knows how to implement in c, even on linux
verisimilitude: Wouldn't one solution be to build one computer into a screen which handles all of this, and the program sends commands to it?
verisimilitude: At least this would allow isolating it.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's no solution at all : if i can't cut/paste to/from $item and www browser on every major os, it's worthless to me
asciilifeform: (www browser, emacs, shell, irctron, etc etc)
asciilifeform: and before anyone asks (will anyone ask, lol) did try it as emacs extension. laughably stupid idea, elisp w/ its stop© gc is not practical for multi-GB datasets.
verisimilitude: Those goals conflict.
verisimilitude: If I could get a usable computer, I wouldn't give a damn about using a WWW browser with working software.
verisimilitude: As I've been told, it's all one strand.
asciilifeform: a usable computer, in asciilifeform's conception, is simply a 7 laws compliant item with functionality that is necessarily a superset of that of earlier comps.
asciilifeform: i.e. if asciilifeform wishes to do something he habitually did w/ a comp in 2020, the answer is under ~no~ circumstances anything but yes.