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asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-01#1032596 << it's always 'in the same place' : some folx who 'did not get on the train on time' ( when's 'on time' from their pov ? 2009? -- varies ) end up in perma-butthurt loop
snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-01 22:29:17 shinohai: He blocked me because I asked him to show me on the doll where BTC touched him.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-01 22:30:22 verisimilitude: I suppose the author of ``When bankers take over a town'' committed suicide after a bout of depression.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $48660.27
shinohai: asciilifeform: Same folks always whine about "can't own whole coin for cheap!" because obviously never learned decimals, etc.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i don't recall an au enthusiast ever whining that he can't afford 1 whole bar..
asciilifeform wonders why no one ever proposed, even as gag, a 'troy ounce of btc', i.e. 1 / 400
shinohai: My first pamp au bar was paltry 1 gram bar lol.
shinohai: Didn't stop me from buying.
asciilifeform: shinohai: imho what the whiners are actually whining about is 'the train'.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'btc was supposed to make me rich; i'm not rich, ergo was scam' 'but it did make you rich -- you bought toyota with yer stash in 2015, clearly decided that was rich enuff' '...'
trinque not rich enough until usd goes to 0
asciilifeform: trinque: pretty sure even reichsmark not precisely == 0 atm
asciilifeform: always some numismatic value.
trinque: precisely lol
asciilifeform: i've seen e.g. confederate currency bought and sold by numismatists
trinque: speaking of racism, dr seuss apparently has been unpersoned.
asciilifeform: even iron rubles from late sovok apparently worth moar atm than their face value
trinque: pretty lulzy prices for seusscoin on ebay atm
asciilifeform: lol! the 1 with 'i would not, could not, with a gnu..'
shinohai: Yeah the Dr. Seuss lulz were pretty good
trinque: mhhhm
shinohai: "I cannot, will not make it bigger. I will not read books with a nigger ....."
shinohai: Full apartheid, wen?
trinque: shinohai: I'm not going to be so stupid as to take the other side of an idiot's dichotomy now
trinque: does look increasingly important to build censorship-resistant p2p though.
trinque: ftr there is probably more dead weight on the white side, for having lived too easily too long.
asciilifeform: trinque: can't resist to ask, who you're thinking of ? the folx who had a working industrial economy for half a century? 'too easily' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: re p2p -- asciilifeform will be the 1st to agree, but with caveat : the most effective policeman atm is in ~people's heads~. i.e. folx aint even using the ~old~ p2p nets for anyffing interesting, afaik ;
thimbronion: asciilifeform: california state administrative staff for example, midwest union autoworkers...
thimbronion: asciilifeform: most non-active duty federal employees.
asciilifeform: trinque: why wasn't the answer to e.g. the seuss wank 'we dun give a fuck what publisher does -- we have complete_seuss.torrent' ? in ru recently similarly 'we'll stop showing su-era classics on tv' . ~nobody noticed or cared, ~errybody has already .avi copy of errything
asciilifeform: thimbronion: envy e.g. the postman ? have you seen what he is paid ?
thimbronion: All university faculty and administrators
thimbronion: Post office is notoriously bad job - around here mostly philipino racket.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: asciilifeform's local usg.uni publishes the pay table. difficult to envy most of these folx (while obv. they're a bureaucratic drain. but nobody, with exception of handful of brass, is getting rich)
thimbronion: asciilifeform: not rich, but arguably dead weight
asciilifeform: thimbronion: finding folx in usa who 'not dead weight' imho is moar difficult exercise than you'd suppose. even the cabbies, couriers, etc. -- whom do they serve, if not the 'obv. deadweight' ?
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yeah I don't disagree.
thimbronion: I would except perhaps some people in the semiconductor industry, agricutlural sector, and energy sector.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: difficult to get away from noticing that semiconductor is largely for running winblows and arsebook, energy sector -- to power the former; agri -- feeding mostly useless people, and w/ generous helping of poison mixed in; etc
asciilifeform: deadweightness is contagious.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I don't even exclude myself from the category
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i can't actually point to anybody in modern post-industrial hellscape, to exclude. so i suspect the model is misframed.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-02 11:35:28 asciilifeform: trinque: can't resist to ask, who you're thinking of ? the folx who had a working industrial economy for half a century? 'too easily' ?
trinque: took a generation or two past that for the entire enlightenment to come down.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-02#1032633 << can build, then see if anything interesting happens.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-02 11:49:40 asciilifeform: trinque: re p2p -- asciilifeform will be the 1st to agree, but with caveat : the most effective policeman atm is in ~people's heads~. i.e. folx aint even using the ~old~ p2p nets for anyffing interesting, afaik ;
asciilifeform: trinque: re the generation or two -- why so certain of the direction of the causality arrow ?
trinque would be happy to hear an alternative
asciilifeform: i can think of at least 1 alt-cosmography
asciilifeform: e.g. 'post-ww2 usa was wealthy and well-organized, but the vultures came, started race wars to distract from deindustrialization, financialization, hollowing-out, shrinkflation, poisoned pseudo-food, while the yachts got thicker'
trinque: upstack briefly, my view is that the enlightenment hasn't to do with race, but cultural software.
trinque: asciilifeform: sounds like we had unenlightened leaders
trinque: sons of peasants just like the USSR
trinque sees nothing of the enlightenment in the people-of-walmart, white as the driven snow as they are.
asciilifeform: enuff generations back , errybody 'son of peasant'
asciilifeform: ( and of genghis k. )
trinque: sure, and genghis raped and pillaged plenty of eastern eur whites then.
trinque: the race thing is a distraction generated by people who aren't aware that the meatware can run different operating systems
asciilifeform: trinque: near as i can tell, the folx who ~factually~ run usa (vs. the muppets who get trotted out for 'elections') are 5+ generation bluebloods
trinque: persians raped/pillaged greeks, etc etc
trinque: asciilifeform: I have no doubt they've got the same weird puritanical "not one drop" as their ancestors
asciilifeform: trinque: there's a school of thought that usa was conquered in 1970s.
trinque: subjecting others to one's pointless fetishes is a privilege of power
trinque: ah yep, familiar
asciilifeform: ru writer alex rosov takes the thesis further -- he gives (fairly solid) argument that a decision was made (by bluebloods of 'civilized' world) in 1968 to halt technical progress. ( and, consequently, to nail sovok, because otherwise it'll eat'em, not having 'gotten the memo' that r&d must stop )
trinque: whether decided or emerged out of baser greed (inflation as wealth-transfer mechanism), indeed.
asciilifeform: semiconductor 'escaped' (again per this cosmography) because a) underestimated and poorly understood by the 'deciders' b) required minimal insight, was pushable 'forward' by sheer 'chinese' plodding, as still (to an extent) happening
trinque: classic move of world-destroyers is to declare that what is already happening is their divine will
trinque: at any rate, my contention is that race is one of the mechanisms by which they pit white kulaks against lower tiers.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-02 11:29:06 trinque: shinohai: I'm not going to be so stupid as to take the other side of an idiot's dichotomy now
thimbronion: That's why it's BLM and not LCLM.
asciilifeform: trinque: this is the seekrit point of the caricature you linked earlier. and incidentally was known even to schoolchildren in sovok.
asciilifeform: trinque: the 'dark seekrit' is that ~errything in official sovok pov re usg was factual.
trinque: sure, "I am racist, please fix me" is itself a propaganda tool
trinque: incidentally we're not so far off from trinque being among the untermenschen, well within seuss' time
asciilifeform: trinque: to the rockefellers, we're all untermenschen
shinohai: On completely diff subject, did anyone here read this from "Hacker" "News" a few days ago? https://archive.is/4yqR3
shinohai: (Warning: Mild trannyisms)
asciilifeform: shinohai: replay of ancient theme
shinohai: I had certainly never seen such wizardry, though reading the source made my head hurt a bit.
asciilifeform: i recall a 'this is pdf, and exe, and js, and loads as html, ...' in '14
trinque: seems like a nifty-ish hack
shinohai: (Enough utf-8 in there to replace syrup of ipecac)
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-02#1032689 <<< sure I've abused files and images this way before, but never from C code
snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-02 12:37:03 asciilifeform: i recall a 'this is pdf, and exe, and js, and loads as html, ...' in '14
shinohai: always scriptlang stuff
asciilifeform: these are known as 'polyglots'
asciilifeform: exactly the kinda thing that impressed the easily-impressed, incl. the reinventor
trinque: yeah, sorta smells like same personality type that recreates $landmark in minecraft with 1000hrs effort
asciilifeform: trinque: there's 1e7 bored folx w/ a comp. they, yes, sit there and reinvent the quine, the polyglot, write implementations of ritchie's 'B' outta toothpicks, etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-16 14:53:05 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: upstack -- imho it is worth understanding why well-designed, simple, and functional systems remain obscure, while perl/cpp/microshit 'wins'. if more sane folx understood the basics of the underlying civilizational decay which powers this process, would die of cirrosis less often and overall happier imho
shinohai: ^ excellent naggum
trinque: asciilifeform: amusing to read this behavior as fetishization of integrating the schizoid, however to describe it.
asciilifeform: shinohai: as for the emulator, it's moar or less what asciilifeform wanted to do with 'M'. ancient dream, but ultimately too expensive.
shinohai: The emulator part of it was useless to me, though I might crib the libc bits for future lab use.
verisimilitude: Book burning has a bad reputation; we're always told those Nazi rascals burned books, yet conveniently not what they were burning.
verisimilitude: Of course, some prefer author burning.
verisimilitude: Most books, like most money, are nearly worthless.
verisimilitude: I take a general stance against censorship, but all curation is by-nature censorious.
shinohai: In more hackernyooz asciilifeform 's favorite algo, SNORE https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/232
trinque: verisimilitude: I'm curious what conspiracy you think produced this list https://verbrannte-und-verbannte.de/person?person=all&sort=name%3Aasc
trinque: in their great wisdom, even this guy made the list https://verbrannte-und-verbannte.de/person/1035
trinque: verisimilitude: so in the case you mentioned, the book-burning looks to have been done by superstitious idiots, rather than careful curators.
verisimilitude: I can also cherrypick, but don't care to.
trinque: eh, your laziness when it comes to discourse is unimpressive.
verisimilitude: I'm trying to type less until my new keyboard arrives.
trinque: alrighty
verisimilitude: It shipped just today, and I ordered it nearly a week ago.
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc not 1st 'cold fusion' piece from schnorr.
asciilifeform gotta repeat the ancient wisdom of ye olde 1990s sci.crypt newsgroup : 'i solved rsa!111' paper would be over-9000x moar persuasive if accompanied by the private p,q primes of a famous pubkey
asciilifeform: ( e.g. microshit's root cert )
feedbot: http://www.krankendenken.com/2021/03/the-life-of-charlemagne-by-eginhard-preface/ << Krankendenken -- The Life of Charlemagne by Eginhard - Preface
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