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Vexual: $3 send with a $5 fee. it's not new
adlai: << re:this,and previous 2 lines: remember ? apparently most, if not all, people who use irc and read blogs are just a slight bit more timid than the average introvert
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-19 10:41:59 asciilifeform: << why ty. wai not comment tho.
snsabot: (trilema) 2016-12-30 ben_vulpes: for those who *still* miss the point, joining and parting is opening and closing the squeaky doors on a hall where 5 people are arguing and 500 muffling laughter and groans
Vexual: hello adlai. still drunk?
adlai: also, the whole "this is my castle, that is her castle, i don't like your programs so you get your own castle, courtesy of the PDPC" bit probably made folks hesitant to speak anywhere for any reason whatsoever
adlai: Vexual: of course, how else is one supposed to banish hangover demons?
Vexual: shame spirals ftw
adlai has begun rereading one of the "king arthur" yarns, the one that tells it from merlin's pov. apparently starting to drink at age 17 is about a decade too late.
adlai: still, at least i didn't begin at 27, like the folks who bought bitcoin at 17 and sold it at 25.
Vexual: you got sent to the arm straight outta scool rihgt?
Vexual: prolly on signals
adlai: what is this, a niven fan convention?
adlai: i got conscripted to the local militia because the state conscripts.
Vexual: we're just chatting. people always assume i'm an officer
adlai: officer of what exactly
Vexual: of police. i dunno
adlai: that's probably because you use irc
adlai: maybe also because you look like a cop. have you tried hitting a cop? this usually makes you look less like a cop, at least, from the perspective of the hit cop.
Vexual: I had to nod at some cunt on a yeild sign
Vexual: aout of unifrom nooded like I should move
Vexual: I noddel like `you move'
adlai: nah dude. engine off, keys out, walk over, stand out of turn radius, point at open road. their move!
adlai: worst case? they kidnap you and sell the car.
Vexual: I shouls have movced like that
adlai: second worst case? they kill you and leave the car as a memorial.
Vexual: In acutuallity. I moved
adlai: other cases left as exercise for william gibson
Vexual: who dat?
adlai: wrote books, maybe still does
Vexual: one wonders if f were allowed to have discussions in alf's house?
adlai: you appear to be making excessive use of the subjunctive mood.
adlai: regarding your earlier questions: i have returned, with a stronger drink than before; and although signals were beamed in my direction repeatedly, i failed out of smart kid interviews and never had much of a chance at fast crawler tryouts.
adlai: this must have pleasantly surprised my mother, who kept filling my head during the preceeding decade with nonsense about how i crawled so much as a baby. guess what, mom, baby is no longer a baby. crawling is not easy work!
adlai: however, i was still useful at the tryouts, since i got injured in the crawling race, so they dumped me on a stretcher and those who weren't injured, had to carry it.
adlai: this is not the exact truth, although the truth is left as an exercise in hippocampal fidelity for anyone present at both occasions.
adlai: Vexual: incidentally, in what situations to "people always assume [you're] an officer"?
adlai: e.g., i often wonder whether people think i'm a plainclothes prompter for off-duty military folks, since i've had a bunch of conversations that could've interested the kind of people who do this for a living
adlai: thankfully, israel is a small country, within a smaller world, everyone knows everyone else, and nobody has any secrets anyway
adlai: this is also why we drink.
asciilifeform: << fella evaporated w/out even leading addr afaik
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-19 22:51:23 Vexual: mebbe send coin to wake phf? shareware worked once upon a time
asciilifeform: lol adlai , thrown outta the corps again ?
asciilifeform: in other noose, 1337 w4r3z.
asciilifeform: in particular, good n00b fodder << adlai , shinohai , possib. other folx
shinohai: neato asciilifeform, saved.
asciilifeform: shinohai: rec to grab things while can, these dun usually live long
asciilifeform: !w poll
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asciilifeform: wb PeterL
asciilifeform: !q seen PeterL
snsabot: PeterL last seen here on 2020-05-08 12:41:03: I dunno, A# paper sizes make more sense to me, I wish Americans would switch.
PeterL: Hi there again
asciilifeform: how's the organiker biz, PeterL ?
PeterL: it's ok. I'm more of an "analytic-er" these days, I run an LC-MS. Which I guess is still organic chemistry mainly, but it is not the same as the synthetic stuff I used to do
asciilifeform: at one pt asciilifeform considered to buy a gc/ms setup, but not needed badly enuff, balked at the physical space req'd
asciilifeform: ( unlike the xray people, who have audacity to want 4fig $ PER PHOTO , the analytic folx charge pretty reasonable rates )
PeterL: GC-MS needs about 1 to 2 sq m of counter, plus a place to stick a gas cylinder, not a huge footprint for a lab, but I see how you wouldn't want to keep it in your garage
asciilifeform: aha wants the gas, and reasonably temperature-stable room
PeterL: cleanliness helps too
asciilifeform: ( gas, turns out, avail. at welding co's )
PeterL: all you need is H2?
PeterL: I guess some of them use He as the gas
asciilifeform: i thought moar typically ar/xe
PeterL: depends on the model. I think the one I used (was about 5 years ago) ran on He, but due to shortages in He they have been converting to H2
asciilifeform: promises to make for some picturesque industrial oopses
asciilifeform couldn't bring himself to keep bottle of h2 on desk
asciilifeform: PeterL: he shortage is usg's doing, dhs bought up ~errything for he-3 for neutron detectors
asciilifeform: PeterL: do anyffin interesting w/ softs lately ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: btw this since you were last here .
PeterL: In the synthetic lab I worked in we had a row of gas bottles with H2, CO, CO2, and a H2/CO mix. Every time the safety people came around they would complain that there were too many gas cylinders too close together.
asciilifeform: wat's the h2/co mix for ?
PeterL: syngas, iirc we were using it to add a carbonyl group to alkenes
PeterL: and yes, I have been following the logs
PeterL: I have been playing with your peh, it is a very different language than what I am used to, takes some practice to get into the head
PeterL: there is not currently a FZ_rotate in FFA, right?
asciilifeform: nope
PeterL: would it look something like this?
asciilifeform: there's a placeholder, it'll be added towards the end (not rly essential, imho, knob)
asciilifeform: PeterL: moar complicated. remember, it has to be constant-time, just like quiet_shift_left/right
asciilifeform: ~and~ , like qshift, handle all possible subword/multiword shiftnesses
PeterL: wouldn't this be constant time?
asciilifeform: PeterL: nope. for one thing, yours addresses memory by a secret
asciilifeform: in RotatedN(Q) := RotatedN(Q) or Carry;
asciilifeform: rotate gotta work like quiet_shift_... work .
PeterL: but it is cycling through all the possible addresses in RotatedN, so wouldn't that use the same amount of time no matter which number you start at?
asciilifeform: the cited line is from outside the loop neh
PeterL: hmm, I suppose that is true
asciilifeform: PeterL: the 'official' answer to that exercise involves 2 calls to qshift and an or. i simply haven't glued it in yet.
asciilifeform thought 'wai distract reader w/ knob that dun get currently used for anyffin'
PeterL: Ah, I see: qshift left N, qshift right (bitness - N), OR the results
asciilifeform: there you go.
PeterL: mod the N before starting?
asciilifeform: shifts already mod the n
PeterL: ah, right
PeterL: I'm reading qshift right now as review
asciilifeform: ( cuz the shift amt is constrained to the fz_bitness bottom bits of the given amt )
asciilifeform: err, the bitness of the fz_bitness
asciilifeform: i think it's clear if you look
asciilifeform: the qshifts , for ref.
asciilifeform: << arguably it's a forth, simply w/ moar brutal syntax
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-20 13:38:44 PeterL: I have been playing with your peh, it is a very different language than what I am used to, takes some practice to get into the head
PeterL: saying "it's a forth" does not make it any easier for those of us who have never seen forth before :)
asciilifeform: ( and some fascisms to constrain subroutine calls, to make easier to reason re execution time 'with naked eye' )
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: PeterL: i take an interest in 'n00b's pov of the lang', dun hesitate to comment re sharp edges etc.
PeterL: so what happens if you shift more than the size of your FZ?
asciilifeform: mod
asciilifeform: try it
asciilifeform considered whether to make it an eggog, but decided to keep the 'mod' behaviour -- esp. considering that already shift only takes low word of FZ as the shiftness
asciilifeform: ( subj: left , right )
PeterL: I guess I was expecting that if you shift a 256 bit number either way 256 bits you would end up with all 0, not what you started with?
PeterL: or if I right shift 128 and then right shift 128 again, that should be the same as right shifting 256
asciilifeform: PeterL: i went w/ consistency above all. i.e. with a 256-bit FZ, only 8 bits of shiftness value are logically meaningful. so attempting to shift by 256 (a 9-bit quantity) is meaningless.
asciilifeform: would've made it an eggog, but then for consistency would have to check ENTIRE fz above max shift bitness for nullity. which is ruinously slow.
asciilifeform: barrel shifters on many cpu archs actually behave this way, so there's precedent.
asciilifeform: incidentally, in practical peh proggies, almost all shifts are by 1. in the final ch's, will introduce dedicated instrs for'em ( 'Rs' / 'Ls' ) .
asciilifeform: the full qshift is pretty wasteful in shift-by-1 case.
PeterL: would these shifts only be for 1 or by any number up to the word bitness?
asciilifeform: 1.
asciilifeform: cuz then dun have to put a fz w/ the amt, on the stack.
asciilifeform: (aaand then also dun have to be concerned w/ whether there's a barrel shifter, if there aint one , the subword qshifts gotta be used, if yer shift amt is variable )
verisimilitude: Say, asciilifeform, there's no particular ``rhyme or reason'' to article publishing dates on loper-os, is there?
verisimilitude: I enjoy choosing pleasant dates for such, and this was fine when I published once a month or so, as one may as well wait a few more days, but I increasingly feel the constraint when I miss a deadline, such as today, due to sloth having me resume work on the day of. At the same time, it's a decent method of pacing myself, so I don't have a glut of articles followed by long bouts of naught.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sadly no 'magic' dates. for 1st half yr of ffa, i had buncha material pre-written and queued up for fridays, but this fell apart when ran out of 'canned' and into gnarly unsolved things
asciilifeform: in principle whole thing would be < 6mo of sweat; but (if you didn't know) asciilifeform has also day job.
asciilifeform: most of the time spent on it, was for loading $piece back into head ea. time.
asciilifeform: so no, no 'choose date', i post item after it's wrapped up & day or 2 of proofread.
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