#asciilifeform | 2020-02-23

adlai: asciilifeform: aiui, merely running a trb node for the "recite psalms six hundred and thirty thousand times" feel-good value has only marginal usefulness; however, i found quite interesting the discussion of the patchset that reduces a likelihood of trb from dropping connections from outside its clique, and might run something of that sort.

adlai: specifically, because i am not busy selling any sort of service in exchange for coins, there is no tangible need for me to operate a node that sleeps less than i do.

adlai: i have considered buying one of your spare rockchips, although since it seems others trbs are already being run in that same cage, i'd probably not run trb on it

mod6: Well, I thought it was working better this time, but sadly, same thing happened. Here's the debug.log: http://www.mod6.net/debug_20200222/debug_20200222.log

mod6: And the tcpdump: http://www.mod6.net/debug_20200222/tcpdump_20200222.txt

mod6: I'm gonna leave it running, maybe somehow it'll unfuck itself overnight. Meanwhile, I'm gonna get some sleep.

shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-21#1007148 << yeah, I've been digesting your naggum collection page and his blog since I saw you mention it earlier (ty! instructive stuff and interesting man). Pretty much realised and experienced the writing <> original thought <> exist connections years ago and think it is a 'beautiful' state to reach if one can.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-21 12:40:14 asciilifeform: shrysr: see also oblig. naggum re subj. writing is how you get to, in the sense used there, ~exist~

shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-21#1007147 << no it's not and I did not imply this to be a reason either. Beyond the 'haters will hate', there are 'human' www's that also consist of half-baked crap (eg past 'canonical reading'). Atm Haters/ faux-'friends' / self-righteous retards / deluded sycophants and bio-robots et

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-21 12:37:48 asciilifeform: shrysr: no matter what you write, some 'hater' will always turn up and say 'garbage'. but this is not a reason not to write, but to thicken yer skin.

shrysr: al bother me much less than ~trying to stay true to aspects of quantitative and qualitative efforts to form an 'informed pov'.

shrysr: fwiw - managed to write 1-2k words on a daily basis since 4+ years, but sporadically before that. One of my first inspirations was https://sachachua.com/blog/, and initial goal was such a 'human www'. But I'd just gotten started tinkering with emacs, and in the interest of 'friction phree' expression, so far - I've just focused on putting words to buffer for ~self.

shrysr: Also fwiw irreal (Zamansky iirc?) dude coincidentally on your interesting people list called atleast one a nice post. Frankly unexpected for noob. I found out pretty recently by chance. Was nice to see he shared some sentiments, though '~All' shitware for you :) (a pov which I still can empathise with and do take in stride with 'thick-skin'+ respect). Most of the

shrysr: earlier posts used to be abt emacs, and that imho aint just shitware, despite its limitations and even if I've only 'hacked' lisp and barely know anything abt it.

shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-22#1007419 <<< Merely observing, as mentioned. As much distaste as I have for Caesar atm, he does have *some* good writings, which I don't dismiss out-of-hand simply because I don't particularly like the guy anymore.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-22 22:51:41 asciilifeform: shinohai: y'know, the trollage is for me, but for some reason it's always you who bites, lol

shinohai: I just can't wrap head around this logic: "Everything alf produced now worthless, rewrite V in php to make it ours"

asciilifeform: mod6: i'm satisfied that you saw proper wedge. ( fwiw, mine are atm @ 618665 and 618607 , where the lagging 1 is on the slower residential pipe. neither wedged presently. )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007457 << adlai , strictly since you are tuned in (and previously in e.g. #t) i assumed that you found bitcoin not only interesting, but a 'good thing' that per yer lights oughta continue. this -- requires nodes. functioning nodes, that actually play by the 2009 rules.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 00:38:06 adlai: asciilifeform: aiui, merely running a trb node for the "recite psalms six hundred and thirty thousand times" feel-good value has only marginal usefulness; however, i found quite interesting the discussion of the patchset that reduces a likelihood of trb from dropping connections from outside its clique, and might run something of that sort.

asciilifeform: i cannot speak for other folx who put effort into trb ; but asciilifeform in particular spent far more sweat on the subj than his personal stake in the continued good health of the net would justify , per 'bean counter' logic

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007458 << how wouldja like if e.g. the mains grid in yer orcistan, 'slept when you do' ? like in e.g north kr

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 00:39:18 adlai: specifically, because i am not busy selling any sort of service in exchange for coins, there is no tangible need for me to operate a node that sleeps less than i do.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007459 << atm i'm not aware of a working trb build for rk, at that. so no, trb is not the most immediately handy application for rk.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 00:41:42 adlai: i have considered buying one of your spare rockchips, although since it seems others trbs are already being run in that same cage, i'd probably not run trb on it

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007461 << ty mod6 . this will come in handy when you, or i, or some hypothetical but not yet visible third party finds the time to put in the sweat to actually bake 'replay' system -- and hence make wedges reproducible.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 01:01:09 mod6: And the tcpdump: http://www.mod6.net/debug_20200222/tcpdump_20200222.txt

asciilifeform: presently they are not reproducible from captured packets.

asciilifeform: until they are, the options afaik are 1) 'watchdog' apparatus 2) hand reset.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-22 11:10:15 asciilifeform: trb really oughta have 'watchdog timer'

asciilifeform: nao, for the other side of this medal. asciilifeform will continue to do what it takes such that his personal noades remain functional. and will publish said work, as have been since '15 ;

asciilifeform: but imho giving kalashes, for phree, to troops of chimps, is wrong.

asciilifeform: for so long as tbf remains a de-facto mp-controlled org, i will not waste time specifically making it maximally easy to crib & 'mp-wash' my work. will patch on top of personal tree. and who wants to crib, and then be held to answer for justifying the reground $patch, can obv. do so.

asciilifeform: already mod6 et al were unable to justify why e.g. 'malleus'. even tho it was discussed to death in #t, and subj to months-long side-by-side testing.

asciilifeform: cuz folx have 1) the memory of goldfish 2) clinical case of stockholm syndrome

asciilifeform: nao i dun give half a damn that e.g. jfw takes my work and forms a company to sell it w/out giving anyffing back. ~this~ is 100% normal in software world, and one would have to be a nutter to have any expectation to the contrary going in to write softs. but -- it is entirely other matter, to be complicit in propping up pretenses to moral and technical authority of a figure with the technical competence of indian $1/hr 'coder' a

asciilifeform: nd the moral authority of heinrich himmler.

asciilifeform: i've had enuff of the latter.

asciilifeform: mod6: you had 3+ months of warning. so at yer earliest convenience, i would like to hear what you intend to do re tbf. will you take actual charge of trb ? ( and necessarily, grow the spine to actually carry an independent party line ? ) or not ?

asciilifeform: as to 'why now' -- this was not encouraging. i can interpret it as either deliberate insult, or spinelessness of the folx involved, but thus far cannot think of a third interp.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-22 22:55:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'great' job 'trb nodes have been wedged' w/out reporting who clued you in or linking to thrd. ( maybe next time will see how long it takes to notice, instead of giving what to crib? ) and et tu, mod6

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007473 << this might sound odd, but -- consider to have some empathy for mp. do you know about the butthurt of colonized nations ? e.g. india, the baltics. britain or ru comes , teaches the orcs to brush teeth, live in cement instead of straw houses, ride trains, build planes. then 'decolonization', invader -- expelled. yet the orcs still want their trains. but erry time

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 09:59:18 shinohai: I just can't wrap head around this logic: "Everything alf produced now worthless, rewrite V in php to make it ours"

asciilifeform: they hear the whistle blow, reminds of 'hated white man'

asciilifeform: this process is continuing in, e.g., ukraine

asciilifeform: somehow the 'answer' the orcs think of, is ~always same -- translate the textbooks to ukr. design 'new, ukrainian' tech, nevermind that 100% based on soviet. but 'it's properly ours! and if you disagree -- jail'

asciilifeform: imho it was a mistake for the brits to leave the train tracks, or for sovok to leave the power plants. oughta have taken'em with when left, or dynamited, like e.g. the case of sov. rocket silos.

asciilifeform: and if the orcs want to live like white man, would then have to beg the colonists to come back.

asciilifeform: sadly this is not practical for softs. but the basic problem remains.

asciilifeform: the bright side is that it is not necessary for the colonists to destroy the train tracks. the orcs, unaided, will do with own hands. just takes time.

asciilifeform: so yes, shinohai , it is right an' proper that mp et al rewrite e.g. 'v' in php.

asciilifeform: the sooner it happens, the better.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007465 << nobody forces you to read the crapola, neh ?

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 04:11:53 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-21#1007147 << no it's not and I did not imply this to be a reason either. Beyond the 'haters will hate', there are 'human' www's that also consist of half-baked crap (eg past 'canonical reading'). Atm Haters/ faux-'friends' / self-righteous retards / deluded sycophants and bio-robots et

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007471 << imho peaked in '15. plenty of good pieces, i still even link heathens to some of'em.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 09:58:28 shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-22#1007419 <<< Merely observing, as mentioned. As much distaste as I have for Caesar atm, he does have *some* good writings, which I don't dismiss out-of-hand simply because I don't particularly like the guy anymore.

asciilifeform: * mod6 (~mod6@unaffiliated/mod6) has left #asciilifeform << i take this is the answer? lol

asciilifeform: don't fughet to make a '-10 pretension of personhood' etc rating for asciilifeform , mod6.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Far nearer your second interpretation.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hm?

shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007498 <<< Perhaps asciilifeform is more human than I, /me finds it hard to conjure up any empathy for psychopaths who have none themselves.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 12:31:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007473 << this might sound odd, but -- consider to have some empathy for mp. do you know about the butthurt of colonized nations ? e.g. india, the baltics. britain or ru comes , teaches the orcs to brush teeth, live in cement instead of straw houses, ride trains, build planes. then 'decolonization', invader -- expelled. yet the orcs still want their trains. but erry time

shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-23#1007513 <<< !!rate asciilifeform 5 Still my favourite used couch.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 13:06:01 asciilifeform: * mod6 (~mod6@unaffiliated/mod6) has left #asciilifeform << i take this is the answer? lol

asciilifeform: shinohai: i've stiffer scorn for the folx who nominally healthy, but choose to follow psychopath, than for the latter (who, per my model, did not ask to be mistake of nature, simply is birth defect)

shinohai: Makes sense.

jurov: sorry to revive zombies, anyone has successfully flashed pogoplug uboot and kernel? or you just boot from tftp?

jurov: i already bricked one :'(

jurov: Vexual !!!!

Vexual: Hey jurov

jurov: what brings you here in this dark hour?

Vexual: Nothing in particular, How's things in the mountains?

asciilifeform: jurov: flashed. in 2015 last, which was the last time i touched one

jurov: asciilifeform: ty, nevermind

asciilifeform: jurov: serial unbricking recipe, in case you need.

asciilifeform: jurov: outta curiosity, whatcha doing w/ ye olde 32bit/256MB pogo ?

jurov: would come handy as as a special file/webserver

asciilifeform: a

asciilifeform: indeed had 1 thing rk dunhave -- sata

jurov: oh i already tried that recipe, but serial only reacts with garbage and it's just spinning, cpu gets hot

asciilifeform: jurov: checked the baud rate and that you connected the right pins to rx/tx ?

jurov: yep it was actually connected all the time and it worked..till reboot

asciilifeform: when i was baking kernel+musl+trb for pogo , did end up 1 time using serial recover. it was a bitch, and afterwards decided 'these are too cheap to be worth spending whole hour to repair', but did not thereafter brick any moar

jurov: i have full crate from dpb, already connected to second one

asciilifeform: ah

asciilifeform: (oblig spam) jurov if you'd like a 64bit arm serv., i have rk avail.

jurov: ty, maybe later

asciilifeform: current price here.

asciilifeform: aite.

asciilifeform: wb bvt .

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/austria-ends-passenger-rail-service-to-and-from-italy-as-novel-coronavirus-panic-continues-to-spread/ << Qntra -- Austria Ends Passenger Rail Service To And From Italy As Novel Coronavirus Panic Continues To Spread

asciilifeform: in other noose, supposing anyone still tuned in re trb : 618705 on both of my noades at this time.

Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo: "Austria as stopped" -> has stopped

BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: tyvm, fxd

adlai: shinohai: if you're gonna use dead emperors as diminutives for modern Napolei, at least pick a more appropriate one... and/or explain, how exactly you see mp as, of all the possible ...

shinohai: adlai: Caesar is fitting because he played large role in downfall of the Roman Republic. Though there exist plenty of despots you could compare guy to.

adlai: ... ?