#asciilifeform | 2020-02-20

curiousd0g: shinohai: based

shinohai: It got rather annoying, apparently you tell one set "Do not come back" ... but message does not reach others unless extreme measures are taken.

thimbronion: I fled Idaho all the way to Maryland and guess who knocked on my door? Mormons from Idaho.

shinohai: lol

asciilifeform: apol. for bot interruption -- started process of moving it to new box ( not yet done )

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-15#1006724 <-- done. next mod6.net post should pop here has well

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-15 02:42:36 asciilifeform: spyked plox to add mod6 feed here when you get a chance, ty

shinohai: ./ticker btc usd

asciilifeform: ty spyked !

asciilifeform: attn readers: bot & logger have moved to new iron.

asciilifeform: if anyone notices oddities, plox to write in. ( immediately visible is faster load & search. moved from rk to proper heavyweight. )

asciilifeform: !q uptime

snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 12m

asciilifeform: hey shinohai , is that bot on your home machine or wat

shinohai: Nope is on old crusty IBM server at friend's farm. I visit it ~3 months.

asciilifeform: shinohai: if you genesised the thing, perhaps could help find out why thing won't stay up

shinohai: The funny thin is bot has been up, just didn't rejoin this chan, forgot to add it to autojoin I think

shinohai: ./uptime

shinohai: oh it left again?

asciilifeform: indeed

shinohai: Prolly left earlier, my znc is on same box. I noticed disconnect but didn't think anything about it.

asciilifeform: shinohai: could be sad pipe, possib. lemme know if you want an rk...

shinohai: Could be, though normally I have good uptime, at least as far as znc goes. re: rk have been thinking about that for this spring.

asciilifeform: shinohai: aite. you can get 1 on 1day's notice (same day if you order in morning newyork time) . there are 19 rk in stock atm.

asciilifeform: comes w/ 'rk-gentoo'. dpb seems happy with his.

shinohai: The Gentoo is one of most attractive features. My laziness comes because I loathe thought of migrating www again, but know it needs doing.

asciilifeform: fwiw my logger ran on rk, from late october until this morning

asciilifeform: ( along w/ the legacy FG www , and coupla other things )

shinohai: Still making prep for phuctor box?

asciilifeform: shinohai: box is ready actually. need to move the db to it still

asciilifeform: ( 1 nice thing re hands-reachable rack, is that can move heavy loads w/out soaking up pipe for days, simply using esata disk & drive there.. )

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/footnote-callback-tooltips-for-mp-wp-thetarpit-markdown-plugin << The Tar Pit -- Footnote callback tooltips for MP-WP thetarpit Markdown plugin

feedbot: http://bingology.net/2020/a-homework-assignment-from-diana_coman-trawling-ancient-pms-seeking-what-worked-for-early-qntra-and-where-im-at-on-scripting-a-conversion-engine/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- A Homework Assignment From Diana_Coman: Trawling Ancient PMs Seeking What Worked For Early Qntra And Where I'm At On Scripting A Conversion Engine

shinohai: smdh

curiousd0g: why do they speak in complicatish?

shinohai: It's a cult thing I guess.

asciilifeform: shinohai: what's a smdh ?

curiousd0g: shaking my damn head

asciilifeform: lolk

asciilifeform: at what, shinohai , shake head ? if e.g. BingoBoingo wants to spam randos, it's b/w him and odin

shinohai: 'tis between him and Odin to bend over for diana_coman's skool as well.

asciilifeform: that also

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/vexit-joined-by-western-secession-movement-to-add-rural-counties-presently-in-oregon-to-idaho/ << Qntra -- #Vexit Joined By Western Secession Movement To Add Rural Counties Presently In Oregon To Idaho

asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated noose: trb noad at 205.134.172.27 is, at this time, fully synced.

shinohai: Anyone know whose noad this is? https://bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88

asciilifeform: shinohai: i have absolutely nfi. iirc it's been around for at least a year

asciilifeform: i seem to recall a coupla others claiming to be trb but with oddball ver #s

asciilifeform: ( there is nuffin intrinsically evil about this, imho. but if they in fact are trb, the noad operators would do well to show their faces )

shinohai: I thought it might be davout, since France but can't recall where he says he is these days.

asciilifeform: i dun recall him

asciilifeform: mentioning a node

asciilifeform: but whoknows

asciilifeform: shinohai: it actually aint hard to mechanically determine whether a node is a trb (or something very closely similar, at any rate), simply send it some heathen cmds and see if it hangs up on you. i had this in (yet unpublished) noad walker, eventually will dig out.

asciilifeform: there's half a dozen litmuses like this (e.g. if yer being sent bloom filter crapola -- you aint talking to a trb. etc)

shinohai: ^ was actually gonna say this, connect to it and check logs for heathen cmd

asciilifeform: .. or that

asciilifeform: the ~absence~ of crapola doesn't 'prove it's trb' tho. there are reasonably-compat. nodes that clearly aint trb, per behaviour, that still show up in my 'who-gave' re blox

asciilifeform: iirc even stock prb, before certain ver. (9?) knew how to speak politely to trb so as not to get malleus'd

asciilifeform: (at one time, these actually looked at peer's declared version and adjusted properly)

shinohai: The thing annoying me these days about prb are folx using those dumb bech32 addys. I refuse to transact with 'em (since have no way to do so currently anyway)

asciilifeform: tangentially, mp never Officially backpedalled re his claim that 'no serious miner sits on prb' -- but evidently false, given that segshitness etc. 'anyone-can-spend' nonsense still not unwound

curiousd0g: prb?

shinohai: Prolly coming in next version of "The real REAL Bitcoin"

asciilifeform: curiousd0g: the bloated liquishit claiming to be 'Official btc client' , prb ('public relations bitcoin', orig. an mpism)

asciilifeform: aka 'core' etc

curiousd0g: oh, you mean segwitcoin

asciilifeform: tsk, shinohai , they still gotta finish up their e.g. php logotron! (what, 6+ months nao?)

curiousd0g: https://news.bitcoin.com/lightning-network-drivechain-bitcoin-scaling/

asciilifeform: vehehery busy bees. they have, you know, reports to write, about writing reports.

asciilifeform: curiousd0g: i don't read these and see no reason to

shinohai: ./php-bitcoind -?

asciilifeform: funnily enuff, i in fact got 'php-fpm'-cum-classic-apache running on the new iron (in prep. for moving my ancient wp there) , worx a++

asciilifeform: i dun presently have any other phpisms to sit down on it tho

curiousd0g: asciilifeform: not much to read, it's basically LN in one picture: https://news.bitcoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/screen-shot-2020-02-19-at-11-30-54-696x439.png

asciilifeform: curiousd0g: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin_scaling.jpg

shinohai: paster is my only phpism on server, I can proudly say.

curiousd0g: asciilifeform: what do you think is the best solution to the scaling problem?

shinohai: LN: Because can't have p2p monies without "muh coffee"

asciilifeform: curiousd0g: recognizing that the 'problem' doesn't exist.

asciilifeform: it's a fiction concocted by folx trying to break bitcoin.

asciilifeform: want tx mined quickly ? look at what the going rate for tx fee is, and suck it up & pay. just like when you go to petrol station, you pay what the neon sign asks, rather than gripe about 'scaling problem' because they aint filling yer tank for phree

shinohai: https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/fee-calculator/ <<< handy ref, can't recall last time I had tx that didn't confirm in next block.

asciilifeform: shinohai: i only ever had prolonged tx nondigestion when forgot to turn the knob (like e.g. mp in '15 infamously)

asciilifeform: trb still has by default fee set to 0

shinohai: But that was a Chinese miner conspiracy to take down BitBet, mp had nuthin to do with it!

asciilifeform: funnily enuff, as recently as last yr, observed that if you doublespend the input for a 0fee, reliably get ~that~ tx mined

asciilifeform: why, i still have nfi

shinohai: rbf ?

asciilifeform: (this is supposing the new tx conflicts on 0 other input)

asciilifeform: rbf ?

shinohai: "Replace by fee"

asciilifeform: mno

asciilifeform: that would be if the ~new~ tx were mined

asciilifeform: but what you get is the ~original~. a la bbet.

shinohai: ah kk

asciilifeform: this is very easy to reproduce.

asciilifeform: (the logic behind it, remains unknown to me)

asciilifeform: i.e. the miner actually picks the one with 0 fee !

curiousd0g: sounds like a funny bug

asciilifeform: presently i suspect that it is in fact deliberately malicious logic, in prb, to benefit exchange operators (i.e. when lamer sends a 0fee by mistake, it will in fact go still to the destination, and he is forced to send yet moar) . tho 0 to do w/ bbet, as it still evidently continues

asciilifeform: ( the cosmography here, is that typical lamer receives coin from exchanges, and sends , likewise, to same )

asciilifeform: the miners, being 1 step above insects, continue to run this idiocy (which actively costs'em dough)

asciilifeform: if anyone has a diff. hypothesis re this effect, i'd be curious to hear what it is.

shinohai: lol @ 1 step above insects. But some regularly do smacktarded things, like mine empty blox completely tossing juicy fees out window.

asciilifeform: this too continues

asciilifeform: tho not as often as in '15-'17, seems

asciilifeform: also found that the ancient logic whereby 'old' coin moves gratis, evidently gone

shinohai: I kinda thought it would happen less often as block reward falls.

asciilifeform: would've thought they'd abolish empty blox 1st tho

asciilifeform: see, if someone regularly reported re observations like ~these~, i'd read

asciilifeform: but 'scalings', other idiocies, let it die in a fire

asciilifeform: as it is, even very basic things entirely undocumented (publicly) -- e.g., how long does typical tx live in mempools ?

asciilifeform: ( empirically -- in my experiments re 'bbetization' -- no less than 2wks! )

snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-20 20:17:49 asciilifeform: but what you get is the ~original~. a la bbet.

asciilifeform: i.e. the hypothesis that 'miner sits on'em' is not a necessary one

asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform was happy to burn coin to e.g. study propagation, behaviour of miners, etc. but no moar : realized that ~nobody gives a millishit re what the answer is.

asciilifeform: as for prb users, they imho deserve errything that happens to'em. and moar.

asciilifeform: exactly like e.g. microshit victims. (often -- 1 and the same, at that)

asciilifeform: re that heathen noad viewer www : funnily enuff, at this particular moment : of 5 self-declared standard trb noadez visible there, 2 live in my rack, and 1 -- on my desk.

asciilifeform: even supposing that there are yet again this many that aint showing up there, this is imho pretty sad.

asciilifeform: ( it is actually a rubbish www, i.e. specifically will not display any node that doesn't advertise a ver # >= 0.8 . but even so. )