#asciilifeform | 2020-01-21

Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: did you mean this code when you mentioned jfw's ecdsa draft ?

asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: he had 2 versions, this and one in python iirc

asciilifeform: the latter , imho slightly better commented than the former

Apocalyptic: I was about to say that magic int 6364136223846793005 looks dubious in rand_byte_gen but apparently it's used by Knuth in a small artisanal rand generator

asciilifeform: it was quite clearly in context of test routine where need deterministic garbage

asciilifeform: pretty common linear feedback reg. prng algo

Apocalyptic: aha, could have used a small comment line for the unfamiliar reader

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Apocalyptic: in other news, more kernel mutilations

Apocalyptic: "So if it's just for cryptographers, then let it all be done in userspace, and let's not make it easy for GPG, OpenSSL, etc., to all say, "We want TrueRandom(tm); we won't settle for less". they don't even pretend anymore

shinohai: also "compliance with government standards" lol

Apocalyptic: also a practical chosen-prefix SHA-1 collider

Apocalyptic: they collided two gpg keys

asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: old noose

Apocalyptic: heh, for my defense I searched the log with the paper url

asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: many folx dislike linking pdfisms

Apocalyptic: understandably so

asciilifeform: re mutilated kernels -- even prior to this , was safe to assume that /dev/random mechanism is rubbish

asciilifeform: mp et al are baking a FG-to-/dev/random patch but imho is Wrong Thing, os has no biz knowing where yer rng is

asciilifeform: erry moving part one puts b/w rng and the consuming proggy, is a potential mine

asciilifeform: ( and imho rng output has no biz sitting around in a 'pool' where it might, potentially, get read twice )

Apocalyptic: while I can see how a proggy like peh could benefit from reading directly fg output, if you want to provide entropy for multiple non-critical programs, having a /dev/random-like pool isn't that wrong imo

Apocalyptic: if you don't trust the os to maintain that pool, wtf are you doing running userland progs in it

mats: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2539.html

asciilifeform: mats: reads like the usual shannonizer output from usg's agitprop dept

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-01-21#1005419 << say yer staying in a hotel, w/ N suitcases. why helpfully label for thief in which 1 is the $mil bag ?

snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-21 03:37:03 Apocalyptic: if you don't trust the os to maintain that pool, wtf are you doing running userland progs in it

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-01-21#1005418 << noncritical ( tetris ? ) can carry internal prng.

snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-21 03:36:17 Apocalyptic: while I can see how a proggy like peh could benefit from reading directly fg output, if you want to provide entropy for multiple non-critical programs, having a /dev/random-like pool isn't that wrong imo

mats: asciilifeform: not really, tis an attempt to define terms

mats: in local news, older tw folks and diehard kmt voters are still a bit shellshocked from the whupping they received at the voting booth. given a few months they will understand the power of democratic idealism and hollywood’s cultural gravity on the younger generation, dialed into their toyphones and the internets, melding them into something thats quite a bit more american/japanese than chinese in outlook

mats: oh, i said this already, logbot didnt catch it

mats: anyway, its a good time to rebalance while mainland is still rising, same old story, canto/mando south/north huaren/mainland culture war. other vulns for cn might include usa chokehold on the dollar based financial system, hk may still induce malignant protests in guangdong/the south, and the xinzhuang issue is being used by political opposition to resist chinese influence in places like muslim majority indonesia and

mats: malaysia. central asian states are keeping mum prob bc of the enormous money coming in, but who knows how long that can last

mats: meanwhile i wonder whether this'll be the century when muslims stop fighting each other long enough to choose a strong caliph and reassert themselves in some manner remniscent of the past

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asciilifeform: mats: i take it usg won tw 'election' for n-th time, lol

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-01-21#1005426 << i'ma pass on attempts to 'define terms' by folx who prattle re 'cyberattacks' while peddling microshit-cum-stuxnet, 'ru aggression' while expanding nato, etc, ty

snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-21 04:15:42 mats: asciilifeform: not really, tis an attempt to define terms

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asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'unix philosophy' lulz .

asciilifeform: meanwhile, fresh lulz from m. tarver : 'The Cathedral and the Bizarre'

snsabot: (trilema) 2016-10-01 asciilifeform: on the other hand, if tarver - or anybody 'open source has failed!111' else - thinks that i am going to build anything whatsoever on top of his closed turd, he is smoking dope.

asciilifeform: 'A small group of genuinely idealistic and creative people, often young, fall for the claims about freedom and the battle against corporate control made by open source advocates. We can call them the givers. These young people are mainly ignorant of the failures of the movement and are generally exploited until they burn out.... There's a harmless group of people that we can call hobbyists. These people swap code and Linux h

asciilifeform: acks and patches as a way of hanging out and interacting with their peer group. ... There's a larger group of not-so-harmless people than the givers who are driven by greed for free stuff and a sense of entitlement. We can call these the takers. Takers are generally abusive if their entitlement is challenged; because to criticise the open source model is to take away their intellectual candy and the result is a tantrum.

asciilifeform: ... There's a small group of people, the elite, who gain serious money from the open source movement and persuading people to sign up for it. This includes corporations, venture capitalists and the small number of technophiles who work for them as well as shills for the open source movement who command fees for speaking engagements or for organising events. '

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shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-01-21#1005445 <<<< bwahaha

snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-21 18:51:33 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'unix philosophy' lulz .

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