lobbes: asciilifeform: bot is in and currently set to announce live auctions once every 5 hours.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 14:15:58 asciilifeform: and i'd like to hear concrete answers, from : ave1 , BingoBoingo , bvt , diana_coman , lobbes , mod6 , spyked , trinque .
trinque: I've been a part of many of these which produced jack shit, myself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 19:06:24 asciilifeform: nao i'm curious re whether principled folx even exist.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-30 21:04:52 trinque: fuhrerfollowing was only one of the sovietisms I observed. the other is "you're a secret traitor, and I always knew!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 16:28:37 asciilifeform: trinque are you willing/able to put deedbot here ? (and, does this require the rewrite ? or could be done as it stands ?)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 14:26:13 asciilifeform: at this pt i'ma say that what, if anyffin, remains of the republic -- is currently assembled ~here~. let's see what, exactly , remains.
trinque: notice I do not exist at all in this construction.
trinque: so no, I'm not falling over myself to now swear allegiance to alf's pirate galleon or w/e the toys on the symbol table will next be.
lobbes: ^ this is a mega-point btw. While I got butthurt a year ago when shinohai accused me of larping, in retrospect he was right: I was larping. Sometimes it is good to reflect on others' lampoons
trinque: I will be a part of no group of men that cannot learn.
lobbes: asciilifeform: (since you pinged me for input) remember too that the original la serenissima was a republic of wealthy merchants, not ships. The ships (no matter how well constructed) will not command the seas themselves.
lobbes: I haven't seen a single person (includ. mp, I would argue) that has called into question the quality of your work. Rather the 'attack' is towards, specifically, the way in which you interface with others
trinque: eh my understanding is just that asciilifeform is a scientist, not an entrepreneur
trinque: this isn't a sin until one tries to misapply one to the other.
lobbes: sure, and also the scientist needs to be able to interface with the entrepreneurs if working in a joint venture
lobbes: or whatever analogy you prefer; your dick has to interface with cunt, not the wall. idk, it has all been said
spyked:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001217 <-- oh man. the point is that most software (and prolly some of the hardware too) has zero economic value in and of itself; and even when put to useful work, it's the work that brings value, not the software. look at linus' kernel for example, it's a reliable technical product, but would you say the dude made a business out of it?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 14:14:51 asciilifeform: mp's latest masterpiece doesn't disappoint. diana_coman i suspect
this, for instance, is a q addressed to erryone here.
spyked: y'know, it's easy to berate usg corps for doing the evil empire's bidding, but even those have marketing&sales departments. because someone's gotta talk to people and get them to buy their stuff while engineers engineer while they engineer.
spyked: so yes, sometimes r&d work is deemed 0ev, or worse, -ev, because it involves risks and all that
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snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 03:55:19 trinque: this isn't a sin until one tries to misapply one to the other.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 03:58:21 lobbes: sure, and also the scientist needs to be able to interface with the entrepreneurs if working in a joint venture
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 09:46:07 spyked:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001217 <-- oh man. the point is that most software (and prolly some of the hardware too) has zero economic value in and of itself; and even when put to useful work, it's the work that brings value, not the software. look at linus' kernel for example, it's a reliable technical product, but would you say the dude made a business out of it?
spyked: asciilifeform, will add the feeds in 1sec. I haven't tried joining without reconnecting the bot before, but I expect it should work without any hiccups.
BingoBoingo_: asciilifeform: It is demominated in ecu, so a bitcent goes in as 10mn, a bitdime 100mn, etc
dorion: hi asciilifeform while you didn't solicit my feedback, I do have some questions I'd like to ask you about s.nsa and how you plan to move forward. please let me know if you can spare ~30 minutes this week. thurs 9am est would suit me best.
dorion: asciilifeform I intend to indeed, but am on a tight schedule (as I summe you are) and didn't plan to have the convo today; hence asking for a time to block off.
BingoBoingo: dorion: There's two major modes for using IRC, one is the syncrynous conversation mode simulating spoken conversation diana_coman has been pushing you into for good reasons. There's another asychronous mode where you post questions, take time to reflect on your answers to questions presented, etc, and everyone tolerates a delay in favor of greater precision.
dorion: asciilifeform I know it was closed, my questions surround the why. I'll put them in later in the week then as I must move on.
BingoBoingo: dorion: Generally the synchronous make an appointment thing, it's not the politest way to approach new to you folks for information. The committment to a synchronous conversation carries an implication of a more enduring committment than "Hey, I heard something happened. Do you want to talk about it?"
dorion: BingoBoingo thanks. I asked for the synchronous model for reasons as well, primarily because diana_coman put me on a time limit.
BingoBoingo: dorion: It isn't the worst outcome if the conversation takes a week through 5, 15, 30 minute a day pieces.
dorion: BingoBoingo which is why I limited to 30 mins and didn't leave open ended.
dorion: BingoBoingo thanks a lot. I must go for now though.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I asked him to put a limit on it, yes.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Ah, ty. I though maybe he'd misunderstood the practice of IRC and accidentallied his request into the more imposing form.
lobbes: asciilifeform: aye, bot will output to the channel the auction started in
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dorion: asciilifeform : thanks, can't be today for me. I'll go with Friday 1530-1600.
dorion: I've read a good bit and my questions aren't yet answered. hasta viernes.
dorion: asciilifeform word. and to make it explicit, I do come in peace.
dorion: aye, that I've done. my priority is to maximize time value for you, the log readers and myself.
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