#asciilifeform | 2019-11-05

lobbes: asciilifeform: bot is in and currently set to announce live auctions once every 5 hours.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001218 << your business produced zero money. you dispute this, or what

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 14:15:58 asciilifeform: and i'd like to hear concrete answers, from : ave1 , BingoBoingo , bvt , diana_coman , lobbes , mod6 , spyked , trinque .

trinque: I've been a part of many of these which produced jack shit, myself.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001447 << this btw is a coward's move. you lead with the broad insult, then later when someone finally says "know what? fuck you buddy" you'll say http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-30#1000973

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 19:06:24 asciilifeform: nao i'm curious re whether principled folx even exist.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-30 21:04:52 trinque: fuhrerfollowing was only one of the sovietisms I observed. the other is "you're a secret traitor, and I always knew!"

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001273 << this will shortly be possible on your own power, with published items once I'm done tidying

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 16:28:37 asciilifeform: trinque are you willing/able to put deedbot here ? (and, does this require the rewrite ? or could be done as it stands ?)

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001220 << so in alfworld, my choice is mp's ego or alf's.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 14:26:13 asciilifeform: at this pt i'ma say that what, if anyffin, remains of the republic -- is currently assembled ~here~. let's see what, exactly , remains.

trinque: notice I do not exist at all in this construction.

trinque: so no, I'm not falling over myself to now swear allegiance to alf's pirate galleon or w/e the toys on the symbol table will next be.

lobbes: ^ this is a mega-point btw. While I got butthurt a year ago when shinohai accused me of larping, in retrospect he was right: I was larping. Sometimes it is good to reflect on others' lampoons

trinque: I will be a part of no group of men that cannot learn.

lobbes: asciilifeform: (since you pinged me for input) remember too that the original la serenissima was a republic of wealthy merchants, not ships. The ships (no matter how well constructed) will not command the seas themselves.

lobbes: I haven't seen a single person (includ. mp, I would argue) that has called into question the quality of your work. Rather the 'attack' is towards, specifically, the way in which you interface with others

asciilifeform: lobbes: you an' i may have read mp's verdict differently. but i'ma leave off presently.

asciilifeform: trinque: it's entirely tru that none of it ever made any moneys.

asciilifeform: trinque: i vaguely suspect that i'm in 100% wrong biz, oughta be skinning squirrels an' sewing coats or similar.

asciilifeform will be doing a 1x/24h log eat for next coupla days, on acct of gulag. advance apologies to anyone who (who?) needed in real time.

asciilifeform: ty lobbes for logbot.

asciilifeform bbl

trinque: eh my understanding is just that asciilifeform is a scientist, not an entrepreneur

trinque: this isn't a sin until one tries to misapply one to the other.

lobbes: sure, and also the scientist needs to be able to interface with the entrepreneurs if working in a joint venture

lobbes: or whatever analogy you prefer; your dick has to interface with cunt, not the wall. idk, it has all been said

lobbes bbl

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001217 <-- oh man. the point is that most software (and prolly some of the hardware too) has zero economic value in and of itself; and even when put to useful work, it's the work that brings value, not the software. look at linus' kernel for example, it's a reliable technical product, but would you say the dude made a business out of it?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 14:14:51 asciilifeform: mp's latest masterpiece doesn't disappoint. diana_coman i suspect this, for instance, is a q addressed to erryone here.

spyked: y'know, it's easy to berate usg corps for doing the evil empire's bidding, but even those have marketing&sales departments. because someone's gotta talk to people and get them to buy their stuff while engineers engineer while they engineer.

spyked: so yes, sometimes r&d work is deemed 0ev, or worse, -ev, because it involves risks and all that

diana_coman fully agrees with spyked here.

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001270 <-- this works currently, the bot announces in #spyked and #eulora from diff sets of (respective) feeds than #t. so all that's required is a list of rss urls that the bot should watch for #asciilifeform.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 16:27:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001214 << in continuation, arguably, of above thrd : spyked are you willing to make provisions for displaying in #a the feeds that are requested strictly by the folx inhabiting #a (rather than controlled strictly from #t) ?

auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=None E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (165h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

auctionbot: --- end of auction list, 0 total bids ---

asciilifeform: spyked: ty. this i think is complete list, presently.

asciilifeform: if i left anyone out, who wants in -- plox to write in. ( shinohai your www dun seem to have a rss , is wai omitted )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-05#1001483 << this is entirely good point, and as before , asciilifeform is quite willing to work w/ experts who know how to sell irons, should such stand up.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 03:55:19 trinque: this isn't a sin until one tries to misapply one to the other.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-05#1001484 << would luvv to interface with biznis experts; for commission, even, up to half; but for so long as they're the kind who dun insist on perverting the product or attempting to get asciilifeform to work as personal valet in exch for tree bark.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 03:58:21 lobbes: sure, and also the scientist needs to be able to interface with the entrepreneurs if working in a joint venture

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-05#1001487 << observe, however, that the various attempts to 'make biz outta linux' proved fatal to linux.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 09:46:07 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001217 <-- oh man. the point is that most software (and prolly some of the hardware too) has zero economic value in and of itself; and even when put to useful work, it's the work that brings value, not the software. look at linus' kernel for example, it's a reliable technical product, but would you say the dude made a business out of it?

spyked: asciilifeform, will add the feeds in 1sec. I haven't tried joining without reconnecting the bot before, but I expect it should work without any hiccups.

asciilifeform: ty spyked .

asciilifeform: !Xbid 1063 1

asciilifeform: hm lobbes seems like the thing only outputs to #t ?

BingoBoingo_: asciilifeform: It is demominated in ecu, so a bitcent goes in as 10mn, a bitdime 100mn, etc

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: starting bid was 1, it ate. simply dun print here, prints there.

dorion: hi asciilifeform while you didn't solicit my feedback, I do have some questions I'd like to ask you about s.nsa and how you plan to move forward. please let me know if you can spare ~30 minutes this week. thurs 9am est would suit me best.

asciilifeform: dorion: can you expand the q ?

dorion: asciilifeform I intend to indeed, but am on a tight schedule (as I summe you are) and didn't plan to have the convo today; hence asking for a time to block off.

asciilifeform: dorion: i dun think i understand the q tho. s.nsa was closed by mp, and the irons put to auction. or was the q re something else ?

asciilifeform has to bbl. dorion plox to put your q's in the log, i'ma try an' answer earliest i can.

BingoBoingo: dorion: There's two major modes for using IRC, one is the syncrynous conversation mode simulating spoken conversation diana_coman has been pushing you into for good reasons. There's another asychronous mode where you post questions, take time to reflect on your answers to questions presented, etc, and everyone tolerates a delay in favor of greater precision.

dorion: asciilifeform I know it was closed, my questions surround the why. I'll put them in later in the week then as I must move on.

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/work-plan-vii << The Tar Pit -- Work plan for M11 2019

BingoBoingo: dorion: Generally the synchronous make an appointment thing, it's not the politest way to approach new to you folks for information. The committment to a synchronous conversation carries an implication of a more enduring committment than "Hey, I heard something happened. Do you want to talk about it?"

dorion: BingoBoingo thanks. I asked for the synchronous model for reasons as well, primarily because diana_coman put me on a time limit.

BingoBoingo: dorion: It isn't the worst outcome if the conversation takes a week through 5, 15, 30 minute a day pieces.

dorion: BingoBoingo which is why I limited to 30 mins and didn't leave open ended.

dorion: BingoBoingo thanks a lot. I must go for now though.

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I asked him to put a limit on it, yes.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Ah, ty. I though maybe he'd misunderstood the practice of IRC and accidentallied his request into the more imposing form.

lobbes: asciilifeform: aye, bot will output to the channel the auction started in

auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=10mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (160h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

auctionbot: --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids ---

asciilifeform: dorion: if you want a hard block of q&a, we can do 1530-1600 (new york time) today or same time any day later this wk. lemme know asap which. i rec to read the pertinent logs tho, and the orig snsa charter, possibly all of your q's are answered already in these.

dorion: asciilifeform : thanks, can't be today for me. I'll go with Friday 1530-1600.

dorion: I've read a good bit and my questions aren't yet answered. hasta viernes.

asciilifeform: dorion: ok, friday 1530-1600 nyc time.

dorion: asciilifeform word. and to make it explicit, I do come in peace.

asciilifeform: dorion: it's even ok if not. i'ma answr all q's best as i know how.

asciilifeform: dorion: i rec to prepare'em in advance, to get the most out of your 30m.

dorion: aye, that I've done. my priority is to maximize time value for you, the log readers and myself.

feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ << Ossa Sepia -- Eulora (S.MG) - Taking a Different Sort of Stock

auctionbot: S#1063 O=1 LB=10mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (155h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

auctionbot: --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids ---

feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro ISP Pre-Closing Statement

asciilifeform: spyked: plox to add http://qntra.net/feed/ to feedbot , ty

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: comment answered http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/#comment-1495