trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-31#1001091 << the pill is a head full of acid all alone.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 14:26:53 diana_coman: asciilifeform: there's no secret appendix but there is a certain perspective that I'm not sure you can/ever want to perceive; fwiw and for myself really, I'm drafting precisely my thoughts on this but I don't suspect they'll help you any and I don't have any pill for that.
trinque: subject either notices their futile loops or goes crazy. either result works.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-31#1001069 <-- more like, the 2 articles + 6-7 years of history.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 09:40:54 asciilifeform: spyked: read last 2 articles on mp's site: he 'explains'.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-31#1001072 <-- my naive read is along the lines of: asciilifeform wanted to work alone, so mp saw no point in continuing s.nsa (which as far as I understand was joing mp-alf venture). dun really see the "untermensch and traitor" angle, but sure, there's [http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/?b=irreconcilable&e=differen
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 11:17:24 asciilifeform: spyked: the 'clef' to that 'roman a clef' is imho pretty simple. mp ate at asciilifeform's technological table for 7+y w/out paying in anyffin but insults (i dun particularly care re the insults, imho it is how proper male conversation worx.) this had to stop eventually, as it meshed poorly w/ mp's 'self image' as 'god emperor'. last straw was when asciilifeform, after failure of piz, built new isp, with t
spyked: ces#select][differences] that made a continuation impossible.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-01#1001118 << with all respect, spyked , this is not accurate. if asciilifeform 'wanted to work alone', would've stayed off the net.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 09:43:02 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-31#1001072 <-- my naive read is along the lines of: asciilifeform wanted to work alone, so mp saw no point in continuing s.nsa (which as far as I understand was joing mp-alf venture). dun really see the "untermensch and traitor" angle, but sure, there's [http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/?b=irreconcilable&e=differen
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 11:17:24 asciilifeform: spyked: the 'clef' to that 'roman a clef' is imho pretty simple. mp ate at asciilifeform's technological table for 7+y w/out paying in anyffin but insults (i dun particularly care re the insults, imho it is how proper male conversation worx.) this had to stop eventually, as it meshed poorly w/ mp's 'self image' as 'god emperor'. last straw was when asciilifeform, after failure of piz, built new isp, with t
asciilifeform: spyked: working with (not even to discuss 'under command of') a fella who earnestly thinks you're equiv. of a sofa -- even if you think he takes pretty good care of his furniture -- is simply a bad idea, on approx. the level of putting your head into a cocked bear trap.
asciilifeform: it may be possible for there to be ~trade~ (i.e. cash on barrelhead, 0 credit extended) b/w folx who see ea. other as untermenschen/furniture. there are historic examples ( e.g. silk road in afganistan , portuguese in japan, englishmen in china ) but rare, generally folx dun bother, it is difficult to arrange safely .
shinohai: Interesting trilema piece, complete with fiddle sounds and wisps of Roman smoke.
asciilifeform: shinohai: when yer an mp, as i understand, you can interact w/ a) slaves b) enemies c) folx who dun properly fit the characteristics of either , are 'npc' (or if you prefer, 'furniture') . d) partners -- is not on the menu.
asciilifeform: i dun even presume to say that this is a handicap. maybe he's the 1 able-bodied alive, and errybody else tard. how would a sofa know the answer to this.
shinohai: At least sofa has modicum of loyalty, despite being inanimate obj
asciilifeform: shinohai: sofas aint alive. they do not have 'loyalty' or 'disloyalty', these concepts only make sense in the life of ~people~. ( is your sofa 'disloyal' when it pops a spring or a cushion rips ? are you 'disloyal to your sofa' when you throw it out then and buy new sofa ?? )
asciilifeform: shinohai: i am honouring my agreements w/ mp because afaik he's a living human -- and not turned into a wood an' cloth household object. what sort of bit flipped in his head, and how he sees asciilifeform , dun affect this ( tho admittedly i aint sure wai he bothers to converse with, and even carry out agreements, w/ sofa . would you ? )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw "furniture/sofa" simply stands for "won't adapt despite feedback"; but I'll take trinque's advice and shut up.
asciilifeform wonders whether he's the only 1 who actually takes mp at face value. imho he's a fella who means what he says.
asciilifeform: and i could just as easily say same, 'mp -- won't adapt despite feedback'. but afaik there aint actually a debate, there's 2 nutters and a buncha folx who want to 'flow w/ current', afaik, is all.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-01#1001131 <<< Bad analogy perhaps, but would still trust my sofa more than greater % of most folks.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 19:23:22 asciilifeform: shinohai: sofas aint alive. they do not have 'loyalty' or 'disloyalty', these concepts only make sense in the life of ~people~. ( is your sofa 'disloyal' when it pops a spring or a cushion rips ? are you 'disloyal to your sofa' when you throw it out then and buy new sofa ?? )
shinohai: My sofa gives me cash back!
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-01#1001133 << ftr I was serious. LSD is the only ego-cracker I've seen work on adults.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 16:33:06 diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw "furniture/sofa" simply stands for "won't adapt despite feedback"; but I'll take trinque's advice and shut up.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'll admit -- not tried