dllud: asciilifeform, what's the specific processor on your desktop? Those numbers are tantalizing.
asciilifeform: 2393SE
dllud: asciilifeform, do you have two of them?
dllud: I was looking at some synthetic benchmarks and the gap is bigger than 1/2 the speed.
dllud: They point to 1/3 the speed for single threaded performance.
dllud: But the next SoC from RockChip is much closer: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/14208552
dllud: If, as it appears, that these benchmarks exacerbate the difference when compared to the real task of compiling stuff, then this RK3399 should be good enough for a laptop.
dllud: It seems to have the same level of support in mainline Linux as the RK3328: http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Status_Matrix
dllud: Hmm… interesting, I was quite outdated about this.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-21 00:41:33 dllud: asciilifeform, do you have two of them?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-21#1000449 << usually i find actual programs that i work with every day, to be more interesting measures than e.g. 'dhrystone'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-21 00:41:34 dllud: I was looking at some synthetic benchmarks and the gap is bigger than 1/2 the speed.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-21#1000455 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-21 00:41:40 dllud: It seems to have the same level of support in mainline Linux as the RK3328: http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Status_Matrix
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-21#1000454 << rk3399 is slightly faster but considerably more expensive ( and largely on account of the -- few -- boards it is available on, having questionable bells and whistles, e.g. soldered-on wifi )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-21 00:41:39 dllud: If, as it appears, that these benchmarks exacerbate the difference when compared to the real task of compiling stuff, then this RK3399 should be good enough for a laptop.
asciilifeform: the c101pa fwiw had the rk3399.
asciilifeform: afaik to this day no one offers a rk (either type) board w/ socketed ram or pcie -- which would make it potentially 'workstationable'
dllud: Bummer, that was gonna be my next question. And it seems they all have at most 4 GB RAM chips.
asciilifeform: afaik no one sells an arm of any description with >4
asciilifeform: with possible exception of one chinese outfit, which offered one-offs at ludicrous golden toilet 4fig prices, that i won't even bother to try and dig up link to again
dllud: yeah, nevermind
asciilifeform: my main gripe re the rk3328 board, wasn't even the 4g ram cap, but lack of sata ( or any means, aside from the cpu-taxing usb3 , to connect same )
asciilifeform: i use'em as servers ( currently building yet another cluster ) and this is main practical limit on performance.
dllud: ahahah exactly! The existence of a SATA port is the reason why I keep using SBCs with the AllWinner A20.
dllud: That's why, a few minutes ago this article got me interested: http://linuxgizmos.com/rk3399-based-odroid-n1-sbc-doubles-up-on-sata-iii/
asciilifeform: from my pov, those may as well be intels, 100% blob boot
asciilifeform: ( the 'allwinner' that is )
dllud: But it seems that Hardkernel discontinued this product.
asciilifeform: right, they seem to be out of print
dllud: The replacement (ODROID-N2) doesn't have SATA ports.
dllud: asciilifeform, do those RKs boot without any proprietary blob?
dllud: As for the AllWinners, are you referring to this: https://github.com/qemu/u-boot/blob/master/board/sunxi/README.sunxi64#L155 ?
asciilifeform: dllud: 33xx aha
asciilifeform: what i haven't even tried, is the video output in 3328. last i knew, wasn't fully functional without shitware.
asciilifeform: fortunately my application doesnt use display.
dllud: > Hardkernel announced it was shelving the board due to sourcing problems
dllud: Hm… All RK3399 getting used on Chromebooks? Does Rockchip still produce them?
dllud: Any idea of Amlogic blobiness? https://libre.computer/ sells a few boards with those SoCs.
asciilifeform: ugh, no usb3 or sata or gb nic
asciilifeform: wtf is the use of these
asciilifeform: re amlogic -- no idea. last i knew rk was the only reasonably hygienic arm64; it is possible that this has changed.
asciilifeform: i find board where impossible to attach fast storage, to be 100% useless tho.
dllud: Yup, same for me. The only interesting board with an Amlogic SoC seems to be the ODROID-N2 (Amlogic SOC).
dllud: I am wondering if it can boot without blobs. At least it has plenty of USB3 ports.
dllud: But I do hate USB-SATA converters. On my experience they always underperform and disconnect for no reason and such.
dllud: Nothing like native SATA.
dllud: asciilifeform, it seems that after all you can boot AllWinner without blobs: https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/Pinephone#fn7
dllud: I am trying to track down the code.
dllud: Source of that info was MoeIcenowy.
shinohai: Did you read about this faux phuctorism yesterday asciilifeform? http://archive.is/Qgxck
shinohai: Pretty lulzy.
asciilifeform: looks pretty tedious
BingoBoingo: Breaking undersized keys is not news
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: apparently there's a 'craig wright' type in that story, complete with selling magick elixirs etc. still pretty snoar.
BingoBoingo: Kinda why the things hasn't been determined news. Herp derp gonna break keys of a size demonstrated breakable more than a decade ago pls to buy my Quantum Copywriting