diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: by that point I suspect it's the fantasy of a fantasy in a fantasy really.
mp_en_viaje: ÂA Real Man always uses birth control, by shooting his fucking loads in the back of their throats and watching them fucking swallow it.Â
mp_en_viaje: now there are only 3 possible ways not to get a girl pregnant in America today. A, never fucking meet her, 2, never, ever let her touch your dick and Charlie, fuck her exclusively in the ass, never allowing her grab your pecker except with the inside of her sphincter, using a condom, spermicide and flushing her out with a God damn fire hose when youÂre done and finally, but most importantly get a fucking vasectomy now boy!
mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesnÂt poke a fuckin hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once sheÂs done. As far as I k
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, okay, just for you, the next paragraph :
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 05:57:50 mp_en_viaje: ah yes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log there we go.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940762 - if you want specifically trilema, it should be /log/trilema without it you'll get to whichever chan is first in the list but there's no guarantee that won't change, in principle
diana_coman: I wish they'd start with inventing at least a less predictable rant really; just as warm up for all those electricities they'll surely invent.
mp_en_viaje: apparently every demented fuck, unfit to be a waiter / plumber / whatever servile profession, nevertheless readily gratulates self with REAL manhood and "building empires from scratch".
mp_en_viaje: per hour on a fucking bicycle, which could have easily been avoided entirely by simply tapping the brakes, unlike getting a woman pregnant which unfortunately, there are no brakes for, only propellants and accelerants to the tune of jet fuel and C4 and most rational people would opt out of plowing teeth first into cinder block."
mp_en_viaje: but for A Real Man who intends on being fucking present for his childÂs childhood, or someone with a sincere desire to accomplish something truly unique, unlike bringing another 18 year contractual obligation into the world, like say, inventing electricity, writing one of the greatest books in the history of mankind or building an empire from scratch, itÂs like hitting a fucking brick wall with your face at a 100 miles
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in redditard contemporary fiction, "Havin kids is a bitch. ItÂs like slammin the fucking breaks on every hope, dream & aspiration youÂve ever had in your entire life, simultaneously, unless of course youÂre like most women and having kids was your only & every hope, dream & aspiration youÂve ever fucking had since the second you came out of the last woman with the exact same original fucking epiphany,
mp_en_viaje: neways, i guess it's high time i edit the "logs" link on trilema sidebar
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other news hey lobbes http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/10/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-10-03/ an' the rest look exactly right
mp_en_viaje: hm, http://thewhet.net/ loads, http://qntra.net/ loads, http://bingology.net/ doesn't, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log doesn't... are you two being aggravated over there ?
mp_en_viaje: the whole uruguay thing not going all that great, huh.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to me that the latech people need regular reinforcement, like rug pissing dog. ( ideally -- shock collar )
asciilifeform: errybody plox to use the working bots.
asciilifeform: they'll take silence as nod
asciilifeform: do i have to draw ~you~ a picture, BingoBoingo ? stop enabling the derps by nodding along
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They received an order not to do that yesterday as you read.
asciilifeform: and dun fughet to mention that they are in breech of contract.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: apparently the latech folx were dropped as babies, so you may have to draw'em a picture. explaining that if they continue in this vein, and we leave, they will not be paid.
BingoBoingo: Hitting the same 4 ip addresses
snsabot: Logged on 2018-10-05 12:43:43 BingoBoingo: In other local news: drug gang slowly took over public housing complex, used it to "warehouse" trivial quantity of drugs https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/desarticulan-clan-narco-que-tomo-complejo-de-casas-2018104203434
BingoBoingo: In local news, the local police have been finding substantial amounts of cocaine recently. Very different headlines from not that long ago becoming the norm http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-10-05#1858552
mp_en_viaje: beats their havng to do it by hand keks
lobbes: master of the bash
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Go for it. billymg's return didn't end the world.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: Do I have the okay to bring an uncloaked auctionbot online?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 16:59:59 BingoBoingo: And the last two IPs are released, much faster than before. I am going to arrange a sit down with Latecho folks next week.
BingoBoingo: Not done yet, going to make efforts to save it, but dammit Imma bask in this liberating uncertainty about my future for at least another couple hours.
BingoBoingo: Of course there's also the chance something works out to extend Pizarro's life in Uruguay, but I'm going to look for some Qntra fodder, maybe put together a blog post, and see what Sunday and then later Monday hold.
BingoBoingo: Trinque's recent post had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding.
BingoBoingo: If another lord wants to step up and try Vienna, Portugal, Minks, etc... I don't know that "Señor (Herr?) Rogier hopped on a plane to a strange land before" should necessarily block someone else from the opportunity.
mp_en_viaje: there's certainly worse fates than living in uy
BingoBoingo: Uruguay isn't without its charms, and it may be time to let another lord the opportunity to claw their way out of the zone. I woke up today with the oddly relaxing freedom that comes from not knowing what the immediate future holds, even if last night I put a good number of kilometers on the odometer in the drizzle loosening the big ball of stress I'd been trapped in.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm giving the matter a think.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, you pretty much would rather stay than move ?
BingoBoingo has been trying to think of ways to generate value in Uruguay outside of ISP'ing. Beyond getting land and some champion merino or Angus genetics... Mebbe marching locals nude through various plazas for the cameras on the road to producing art has potential.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:07:28 mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide,
billymg: no worries, i was keeping up with the logs during the whole episode. seems quite unfortunate that even the datacenter hosting piz suffers from http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940547 but i certainly don't put this on you
billymg: ah, i missed the second message about a key for a shared server, is that still needed?
lobbesbot: billymg: Sent 17 hours and 1 minute ago: <BingoBoingo> Please send my an SSH public key. I will set up an account on the shared server for you from which you can access your Rockchip
lobbesbot: billymg: Sent 19 hours and 43 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 18:23:45 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell billymg You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 10:41:44 diana_coman: hanbot you need to turn off that comment-pagination thing on your blog as it's messing up your recent comments links e.g. http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-2/#comment-55392
mp_en_viaje: hanbot_abroad, you know i changed my mind, bring the camera over
BingoBoingo: And the last two IPs are released, much faster than before. I am going to arrange a sit down with Latecho folks next week.
mp_en_viaje: without actual packet captures, showing convincingly significant flood on EACH INDIVIDUAL IP, there's no way they're walking out of paying for the damage, and it'd better come with apologies at that.
mp_en_viaje: who the fuck even heard of this, you have a whole block, they nulled the whole block ? it's cheekiness beyond any measure of cheek
mp_en_viaje: astards ; no need to pretend like you buy bw by the four digit dubaloos/mo and all that.
mp_en_viaje: the end result of "null-routed ip space for half a day whenever someone decides to spend 10 bux on '''ddos'''" is reproducible via 50 dubaloos/month in hand of any rando nobody/scammer off sitepoint forums ; no need to buy whole c blocks if they just null-route by the c-block like inconceivably cheeky b
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:50 mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i offered them a server back in 2011 ; and then throughout cca 2014. they never took me up on it, and eventually sold out to usg agency
snsabot: (eulora) 2017-10-01 mircea_popescu: kline this presupposes all people are equal. this isn't much regarded in the republican ideology. properly speaking someone worth 1mn speaking one line in ngins is more than a thousand worth 10bux each speaking a line each in same nginx.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you know where is freenode's "won't federate answer"? I can't seem to find it at all; there's the initial talk in #freenode and then follow up in #eulora but nothing after that
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:55:19 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 12:35:17 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940548 << afaik these are closer in cost to 'lay own oceanic fiber' than to current item
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940652 << they don't necessarily cost anything, peering is called that because free. they MAY costr something uf you're small, but guaranteed less per terabit than anythingelse.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:20 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same ve
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940634 << incidentally BingoBoingo is outage 100% over ? dulap is connected, anyone still out ? << Two Rockchips, sent the order to open the pipe to them few minutes ago.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940638 << was aboutta rage re timestamps but nope, they're correct. at least in that segment.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:50 mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:20 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same ve
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:23:04 mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move there. the one time this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want to spend the significant resources involved in dealing with the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940572 << dunno that anyone's at risk of moving there. it's a maybe 9 of 10 on difficulty level.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:22:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940510 << problem is we did have one such, and he decided the best thing to do to himself is be as utterly stupid as possible. i very much suspect the actual driver behind http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-07-04#1831652 mystery is the fucking air, or something, makes the locals subtly suicidal.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:37:49 asciilifeform: usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940564 << always wanted to see vienna. and budapest. ( and 'not on a tank, like grandfathers' !11 ) but dun expect to ever afford it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:55:19 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE).
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940548 << afaik these are closer in cost to 'lay own oceanic fiber' than to current item
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:51:37 mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide,
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940547 << needs several things, e.g. locking cage, clean bw, sane upstream, reasonably habitable locale, a BingoBoingo to inhabit it, a userbase that adds up to > the cost of operation...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:49:08 mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin to, "look, in your locale enel spa is the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from them" "i'd have to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have to. i can tell you from ten thousand miles away, on this basis"
diana_coman: hanbot you need to turn off that comment-pagination thing on your blog as it's messing up your recent comments links e.g. http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-2/#comment-55392
ossabot: Logged on 2018-10-31 19:16:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?
mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhikle in random trilema, bread with kalash in the background
mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home.
mp_en_viaje: possible use could they be ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same vein so what
mp_en_viaje: well, probably expedient most of the time
diana_coman: I suppose my limitation/narrower viewpoint might come at times from not really granting everything the infinite set of axes, yes; on looking at it, there's no reason to limit it upfront like this, no.
mp_en_viaje: or at least could be, or could come to be, or be said to be or etcetera. very greek-like approach to the problem.
diana_coman: but you are right in that indeed, any distinct sets are effectively opposite with the symmetry point somewhere in between
diana_coman: I can see it; there's no limitation due to axes, it's n-dimensional space so infinity of axes
mp_en_viaje: though in general conversation rather circles the shared points problem, because obviously two subsets of the universe will have ~some~ shared points in ~some~ view. but then the invalidation of the view becomes the point, constructing discourse. because obviously man must pick some views.
mp_en_viaje: as far as i'm concerned, any two subsets of the universe that have no shared points are in principle opposite, and the symmetry point is to be established through conversation if interesting.
mp_en_viaje: s always "the universe"
mp_en_viaje: your notion is exactly my notion, "subset of same set" translates as "they're the same thing" as in, "measures of x coord". then you emphasize giving the symmetry point, where i couldn't care less. and BECAUSE your notion of opposite requires a given symmetry point, then therefore your notion of "what the set may be" is limited thereby, so it'll be things like "measures of coordinates" or such narrow things. whereas my set i
mp_en_viaje: i see the difference now.
diana_coman: no; they are both measures of x coordinate
mp_en_viaje: same thing as in, "they're both numbers" ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, I see; I can work with the set-theory, just not the one I directly reach for when "opposite"
mp_en_viaje: i use the set-theory basis for "opposite", yes. two subsets of a set are opposite if they have no shared elements. i'm not entirely sure how to construct an algebraic notion of "opposite" that's not immediate nonsense.
diana_coman: I don't see it; owning is the opposite of not owning; in as much as borrowing is not owning, there's the opposite; ducks don't enter into it
mp_en_viaje: i have a lot more in common wit ha woman than with most other things.
mp_en_viaje: "he had it, he lost it, he never got it back". attempts to "intelectual" himself by the breeches, doesn't lift.
diana_coman: but you see, there is precisely that, basically what you call post kill-bill tarantino -> tarkovsky and it's dubious that such thing happens if really "totally the opposite"
diana_coman: I'll have to watch some of that then.
mp_en_viaje: tarkovsky understands ~nothing, and then shoots static scenes for hours.
mp_en_viaje: tarantino both understands, and then ~perfectly~, with no remainder narrates, extremely intricate social points.
mp_en_viaje: to me they seem exact polar opposites. consider... i dunno, consider his rendition of the stupid white man, as seen in dennis hopper's character in true romance. dude EXACTLY GETS IT, there he sits, "enslaved on a continent his fathers fought to conquer", the moron incarnate. he "did things his way" or whatever the fuck it is he did, became an alcoholic. now lives in a container next to a railway and other piled ifnrastructu
diana_coman: heh; to me they are really following own specific way of showing stuff; both are to some extreme and can be labelled idiotically
mp_en_viaje: the antitarantino, literally. where tarantino unders
diana_coman: dunno, on the same approach I could add tarantino really
mp_en_viaje: he's on the same banned imbeciles index, with ben stiller and the 80s "careerwomen quality holywood" idiots, demi more & co.
mp_en_viaje: solaris specifically, i didn't look at any others after that.
mp_en_viaje: like in that solaris nonsense. i thought it was unspeakably stupid when it came out ; i still do -- but i am starting to suspect it's not stupid because of itself ; but instead because of the subject matter. in itself, exact blueprint of muscovite.
mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move there. the one time this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want to spend the significant resources involved in dealing with the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940558 - sure, I'll shoot him an email, why not; fwiw I haven't yet got to struggling with the sound stuff (still at particles&proc textures) but it's getting closer
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940510 << problem is we did have one such, and he decided the best thing to do to himself is be as utterly stupid as possible. i very much suspect the actual driver behind http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-07-04#1831652 mystery is the fucking air, or something, makes the locals subtly suicidal.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:37:49 asciilifeform: usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940500 << well, i dun currently host there, nor have i in the interval.
mp_en_viaje: ow, half a year later, that anyone anywhere actually believes norway is a rich country. i've not encountered poverty like that since egypt, yet people actually believe this, that norwegians are not the bottom of the desperation pile.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940496 << problem with orcs, that even evaluating their poverty is impossible from a distance, gotta go there first. much more competent and capable at "giving the impression of" than actually doing the thing they're giving impressions of, by design and deliberately constructed. i can't fucking comprehend, even n
ossabot: Logged on 2019-02-11 23:46:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's dumber, schmuck's like "hi there, i r anon please delete my name". how fucking stupid does he need to be, "anon" is not listed there.
mp_en_viaje: the more "advanced" "progressive" shitholes are even trying to ~legislate~ an imaginary ~obligation~ to help the deluded maintain their delusions, spawning all sort and manner of "careerwomen", ninjashoguns etcetera thereby.
mp_en_viaje: people lie, and the contemporary fucktard mindset is... well... that the point of life is letting them.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:38:54 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:19:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
mp_en_viaje: but if not, then something else.
mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE).
mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide,
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to get back to it : what 2 years has (perhaps) done is given us some real world data, such that we can compare the list of criteria we originally abstractly derived from our own imaginations and best intentions, with the story of how well they worked out in practice.
mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin to, "look, in your locale enel spa is the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from them" "i'd have to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have to. i can tell you from ten thousand miles away, on this basis"
mp_en_viaje: i do not believe it is possible the dc in question has any kind of alternative, on the simple basis of their asn being shown to peer with nobody other than antel, which is specifically uruguay's state monopoly on data transport.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:27:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:18:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940486 << a dc may have redundant connectivity, but this is a physical not a logical matter. conider your house may also have redundant wiring, such that you have plugs in different rooms, but nevertheless they're all powered by the same monopolistic power co.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 22:39:18 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
BingoBoingo to walk and then to sleep
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd prefer to do these via 1) 2nd nic 2) tomorrow
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If get into dulap through the shared box, .239 is available
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can you ssh into the shared box?
asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 02:19:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: could spin the globe all day, but imho this remains the fundamental boojum
BingoBoingo: If Chile was a bit further north, and either got rid of the Andes or found Atlantic instead of Pacific coast it could have maybe been an option.
asciilifeform: at one pt thought that phf was the necessary man.
asciilifeform: usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 19:53:18 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938406 << in positive news, this is possibly the best thing for a human. each year with >500 miles on the odometer under age 50 adds 6 months of ~mobile~ life after age 70.
BingoBoingo suspects Montevideo has forever spoiled BingoBoingo on the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938739 axis
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ro was to at least host the fiatola-interface end of the affair (rather than machines) at that pt.
asciilifeform bungled the expedition and still owes mp_en_viaje coin
BingoBoingo: Only one site in Serbia responded to the initial solicitation and failed to follow up
BingoBoingo: And doesn't change their lack of response to inquiries
asciilifeform: aa, these.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the second scrubbing of Asia, they advertised datacenters turned out to be NTT, an international thing
BingoBoingo as he waits a few more minutes for the rain to stop before taking a walk anyway feels he has to interject that at least Cambodia's Soviet wears a uniform advertising his Sovietness
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940483 << iirc last go around BingoBoingo found that asia has laffably narrow pipe to rest of planet. ( which makes a sort of sense, when's the last time you reached for a www on a vietnamese box ? chinese ? )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:38:54 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:27:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
BingoBoingo: A number of Hong Kong operations ended up appearing to be the same operation, while another's major branding was hosted software for the Chinese laundry industry.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:48:11 asciilifeform: ( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit.
mp_en_viaje: but you also can't continue in this vein, what, whenever random internet dork sends half a quarter of an eight gbps your way you're croaked for the evening ? tis ridoinculous.
mp_en_viaje personally has no intention of pulling the plug over diana_coman 's inability to do smg work today because of this for instance ;
BingoBoingo: Thank you. I guess I'm going to have to do the only things I can right now. 1. eat some food 2. Take a walk, etc and try to have burned more calories in activity today than stress 3. Go to sleep sober
mp_en_viaje: kinda the wisdom of not doing that.
mp_en_viaje: problem is that after you sent the previous yokel text, there's nothing that you can say to deyokel self.
mp_en_viaje: so far the situation here is that you stumbled on the cable and took half a day to plug it back in. got anything that can actually move us past this ?
mp_en_viaje: on any kind of radar, i feel like an idiot showing people a trival example of a saturated pipe and pretending like they should be impressed.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 21:34:03 mp_en_viaje: "either you get your shit together or i move on, pick exactly one."
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Thank you. I am wondering if there's any questions I missed short of going straight to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940463
mp_en_viaje: 3. What carriers run fiber to the datacenter? I would like to know what all the connectivity options available are. << dawg ffs, i showed you them.
mp_en_viaje: "I would like to know what options are available going forward" is about 500 words too many for the simple concept of
mp_en_viaje: not helpful, not showing, not subsyantial, not apparently or otherwise hostile.
mp_en_viaje: the reason i asked about the graphs was because, eg, "Oscar helpfully shared graphs showing particular IP addresses being hit with substantial, apparently hostile incoming traffic with targeted at a few IPs in the IP range." is entirely false.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, if you're gonna send as is anyway, why the fyuck am i reading it
asciilifeform: presently i suspect that we would not have even ~noticed~ this nonsense if they hadn't unplugged
BingoBoingo: Sarcasm with respect to the graph's utility may have been a bit too subtle
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I did not post the graphs yet, will post
mp_en_viaje: wtf is "apparently hostile", what gave the appearance ? was it the coloring ? something else ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ can haz these plox ?
mp_en_viaje: Oscar helpfully shared graphs showing particular IP addresses being hit << were these in here and i missed ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and we'll have to credit subscribers for the lost time. with substantial adjustment.
asciilifeform: this was ( and continues, dulap still dead ) a maddeningly sovokesque experience, where we pay vendor for fish 'that's what they don't have at the fish counter' but short of borrowing mp_en_viaje's freighter and laying own fiber i can't presently think of a final solution to it
asciilifeform: ffs BingoBoingo . does that looklike a 'NO NULLROUTES' and 'PLUG IT THE FUCK BACK IN' to you ?
BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=maNq << Second draft reflecting the receipt of the offer for a firewall phone call
lobbes: asciilifeform, heh I saw. Though I'm just a customer; I'll respect BB's wishes if he wants to ban naked joins for the time being
asciilifeform: lobbes: the cloaks thing is 100% red herring, i have a deliberate bait running for 2+h nao naked, and 0 floods
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 21:23:32 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940398 << this would be auctionbot. I dun presently have a cloak for it, so feel free to just kill the process (it is running in sbcl) and that should prevent any naked joins. I can move bot to a non-piz box in the interim
mp_en_viaje: was their concern that your boxes were catching on fire ?
lobbes coming live from a fresh ZNC install on another box... goes to catch up on logs
BingoBoingo going to keep compiling the pointed questions
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Duplap and three Rockchips including mine are left in the cold atm.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is dulap the last 1 left in the cold ? what's the obstacle to gettin' it plugge in atm ?
BingoBoingo: We can put to rest the idea that was done in a completely automated way corresponding cleanly to joins
asciilifeform: so BingoBoingo , can put that hypothesis to rest finally ?
asciilifeform: there.
asciilifeform: hrm, lemme put it in all the usual chans & reset.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm starting to suspect that your theory re irc bots dun hold water
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell billymg You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net appears to load. hanbot can write that article nao...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on putting together a draft for that. Before I send it, I will paste it in channel because I would like serious feedback to make sure I am putting the right questions and pressure on them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you drive through the thick heads that 'getting ddos' aint a violation of the service terms, and that the fuckers are obligated to provide service, on whatever level available ?! what is this nullrouting bullshit anyway?
BingoBoingo: There doesn't seem to be any non-Gossip protocol solution to DDoS. As far as I can cleave the problems right now Latcho/Antel's inept handling of DDoS is one problem. Denying cheap cover to DDoS'r is other problem.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would also like to find a solution that is cheaper than 'switch continents' . but 'cloak bots and pray to satan that enemy doesn't realize that he already knows the piz ip range' aint any kind of solution !! at all
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is how the current bot logs in. however it dun work with cloaks (except apparently for old accts, e.g. mp's)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per their docs it should work without sslism per http://archive.is/dm0Z0#selection-181.30-191.59
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are 2 problems here. 1. ISP falls over 2. Uncloaked bouncer means sophisticated attacker can masquerade as lazy sparrow farting attacker
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: listen, the whole 'oh but uncloaked' thing is ridiculous. what, this is isp that falls down when a sparrow farts on it ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: it's still nullrouted atm, will poke them.
asciilifeform: was up for <1min then dead again
BingoBoingo: Most of Pizarro is back. Now we have to figure out how to bring 2 Rockchips and dulap back without them autoconnecting to Freenode cloakless
BingoBoingo: I still have to ask what other carriers are available.
asciilifeform: ( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I intend to pointedly ask what other carriers might be more responsive.
asciilifeform had similar wtf coupla yrs ago, ended up tracing it to bug in the oddball ~keyboard~ controller he was using
mp_en_viaje: aite well... i guess ima bdsm partay nao. best of luck to the beached galley crew!
mp_en_viaje: hm... apparently diana_coman 's doesn't either. i guess i must've caught self in own fingers somehow
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this may be, but asciilifeform does not yet know on what level of the idjit pyramid took place this particular idjicy.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a state monopoly on data transfer. can't have meaningfully diff dcs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not only mp_en_viaje has point, and yer gonna have to talk w/ latech , but is high time to find out what other dc exists in that orcistan, lt's can't be the only 1 ( if it were, would be dangerously close shave in itself, to be had over a barrel )
mp_en_viaje: yours does not reload the page on clicking a link ; hers does
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so far thing doesn't seem all that kosher. i dunno wtf sense this makes, but a sit down with them will hafta happen cuz obviously pizarro's dead in the water like this
mp_en_viaje: in other minutia, since i'm using diana_coman 's logviewer i notice that ancient behaviour of, if you click on a link on the page page is reloaded came back. asciilifeform 's viewer does not do this for some reason.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've had the suspicion since august that these people are overselling their bw.