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ben_vulpes: people don't immediately make friends with the largest animal in the room?
ben_vulpes: interdasting
ben_vulpes: no tv in my house
ben_vulpes: but i am not a big bird specialist
ben_vulpes: precisely so that losing power doesn't mean instadeath
ben_vulpes: and then they hit mechanical stops, eg 0, 1, 2, 3
ben_vulpes: davout: aiui, nobody cranks the effecting surfaces around, but uses a small flap to do so.
ben_vulpes: don't the megaplanes do the trick with the tiny flap that actuates the effecting flap?
ben_vulpes: no mechanical backups in those?
ben_vulpes: i imagine the actuation forces in a hyraulicized biz jet are...larger
ben_vulpes: so get the bird into some sort of regime where you can air-start the turbines?
ben_vulpes: manual control surface actuation?
ben_vulpes: davout: what means "recover the aircraft exercising raw muscle force"?
ben_vulpes: > the aircraft received damage beyond repair and was written off
ben_vulpes: SWEET
ben_vulpes: > sends business jet in uncontrolled descent
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: pm
ben_vulpes: well at first i thought it was a good pun on don sancho using the portugese dao, and punning on teh dao attacker
ben_vulpes: heh k that's a pretty good nick
ben_vulpes: don't get me wrong, responding in context is entirely adequate most of the time
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: yeah, but falls apart if i want to hold onto a signed thing.
ben_vulpes: bwahaha
ben_vulpes on tenterhooks for punchline
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: what mircea_popescu said: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-16#1628240
ben_vulpes: i didn't understand his shovelful, is all
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: come again?
ben_vulpes: would really like that stateless verificator
ben_vulpes: fuck, buddy
ben_vulpes: checking could possibly be a thing after
ben_vulpes: no i want to see the fucking signature
ben_vulpes: greeeaaaaat
ben_vulpes: i guess i can --verbose and get the mpi values?
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: dude how does --list-packets help at all
ben_vulpes: coooool
ben_vulpes: enTIREly unrelated, does anyone know how to get gpg to decrypt a message that is also signed, but to produce the signature in addition to saying that the signature is good?
ben_vulpes: methinks most of the crying was cut out
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: ack
ben_vulpes: epic pile btw, i don't believe for a second 4chan has worked through it yet.
ben_vulpes: columns variously ionic and dorian, made of ebony
ben_vulpes: these ebon pillars don't like that.
ben_vulpes: i know in point of fact that i've demonstrated how candidates for voice are to introduce themselves before.
ben_vulpes: next time someone says "i know a feller", next question is "which feller?"
ben_vulpes: question will now float, "which 'regular' didn't beat elementary manners into his wannabe vassals?"
ben_vulpes: reject the wot, even humorously, at your own risk.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you mean robert viragh ?
ben_vulpes: subhuman trash
ben_vulpes: has the stones to "make a vpn" whatever that means to the average bu tard, but not to make a key and get in the wot
ben_vulpes: get in the wot or get right the fuck out
ben_vulpes: !!down BU_lulz
ben_vulpes: trinque: could enforce uniqueness in the second column
ben_vulpes mutters something about join table for wives and husbands
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ja, still want 'em?
ben_vulpes: not many, but yes
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: one of which? venereal-laden?
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: that's not a nice way to speak about a girl who's so charitable
ben_vulpes: proud, upstanding slut with no pretension
ben_vulpes: she's a slut not a whore
ben_vulpes: does not deserve to be so lumped
ben_vulpes: she is a CHASTE LADY
ben_vulpes: hey you take that back about jquery
ben_vulpes: > is/are invalid
ben_vulpes: what the FUCK is the point of javascript if such RETARDS are going to wield it
ben_vulpes: oh OH and then while the little javascripty checkboxes next to the fields of pointlessness show green the ACTUAL POSTBACK VALIDATION FAILS
ben_vulpes: good god
ben_vulpes: > in what city does your nearest sibling live
ben_vulpes: because that's a constant string in the universe
ben_vulpes: > what is the name of your youngest child
ben_vulpes: forwarding is swiss cheese, i don't even think that's for sale
ben_vulpes: i figured the boats were under constant optical satellite tracking, perhaps these schmucks weren't paying for it? http://gcaptain.com/bunker-tanker-hijacked-off-somalia/
ben_vulpes: "if it's not backed up, it's clearly not important"
ben_vulpes: no rush
ben_vulpes: "oh i took this priceless jewel and scribbled my name in it"
ben_vulpes: what would the point be? destroys press integrity.
ben_vulpes: i ~never touch "pressed" source
ben_vulpes: warning and stopping doesn't really help, as i see it.
ben_vulpes: seems the cleanest, least error prone thing to do.
ben_vulpes: sorry. i'd rather it rip out the press target if it existed.
ben_vulpes: i'd rather it were transparently idempotent.
ben_vulpes: the lifespan and relevancy of facebook or any other webapp pales in comparison to the power of actual social networks
ben_vulpes: but the pseudo-useful key generator is /cryptographically secure/ mircea_popescu, i don't know what you're complaining about
ben_vulpes: if the makefile is intact, make ONLINE=1 i believe is the flag for autoprocure
ben_vulpes: device has a cost
ben_vulpes: looks like mine
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: makefiles.vpatch
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if you press to the makefiles head do you get a concatenation as well?
ben_vulpes: i figured it was a shoo-in to provide a sham escape valve for 401k funbucks
ben_vulpes: oh i thought the failure of the don't-call-it-an-etf ripped the buy side clean out of the market though
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625922 << no idea how that came to be, but superseded by logbot-multiple-channels-corrected in any case
ben_vulpes: i hope the point is coming through, though, that 'CI' is utterly irrelevant in the face of the scope of systems choreography demanded and actual tests to be written
ben_vulpes: can even diddle trb-observed clock to get difficulty curve to do whatever
ben_vulpes: hey, if genesis is programmable, can generate chains for testing on the fly
ben_vulpes: should even be possible to test reorg behavior!
ben_vulpes: if afl is not a lurking piece of garbage, plugging trb into that might yield some interesting strange.
ben_vulpes: what means "tx fuzzer" to mp?
ben_vulpes: (well, not entirely baseless, i've put a modicum of thought into the topic and have been pricing a new box to boot)
ben_vulpes: entirely baseless estimate
ben_vulpes: probably could be done on a machine costing ~2btc/yr
ben_vulpes: or possibly recently "sync from on-host, known-fast node for every vpatch"
ben_vulpes: "sync from net for every vpatch"
ben_vulpes: one quickly starts thinking thoughts like "verify whole chain for every vpatch"
ben_vulpes: so before even thinking about CI the testing strategy needs some actual thought, planning, and likely at least one patch. maybe more.
ben_vulpes: i went so far as to set up a solipsistic test net before bumping into the dumb-as-rocks "needs 2 nodes in order to mine" shit
ben_vulpes: anyways, having thought about "testing" trb, i am interested to hear what kinds of tests framedragger would write
ben_vulpes: total outstanding, not traded over daily mining vol
ben_vulpes: for v i suppose, nevermind.
ben_vulpes: suites*
ben_vulpes: to jump over to mod6's thread for half a second, both he and i have our own suite of automated tests
ben_vulpes: "in stark contrast to gold, where daily trade volume exceeds total mined by several orders of magnitude"
ben_vulpes: "daily trade volume is only a small volume of total bitcoin mined"
ben_vulpes: "because we've made it impractical to trade the underlying, nobody trades the underlying on our wholly-owned venues"
ben_vulpes: "exchanges that account for the bulk of trading are subject to little regulatory oversight and that existing know-your-customer or identity-verification measures are lax and can be easily bypassed"
ben_vulpes: > "the Commission believes that the significant markets for bitcoin are unregulated."
ben_vulpes: phf: cool thanks, will investigate
ben_vulpes: last few times i cracked a pyject, elpy and python-mode and friends proved...resistant to providing utility
ben_vulpes: jurov: i suppose that i'm pretty lucky to have never worked under anyone who thought oracle worth including in the matrix
ben_vulpes: once the category of sv finger-trap is introduced, every option must demonstrate that it is /not that/.
ben_vulpes: "the /fuck/ are you smoking?"
ben_vulpes: "hey boss, this looks like something written to suck devs into paying a consulting company to fix bugs in their own software, shall we introduce it as a dependency in our stack?"
ben_vulpes: time-cost of audit impossible to estimate at least, and if so and security is a concern, why bother.
ben_vulpes: time would be better spent curating a tumblr full of naked girls and american muscle
ben_vulpes: rots the mind
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: 'tisn't as though hftbro is exhaustive banger-on of every dumb thing, just the ones he's faced with
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: dude start by writing some tests mebbe
ben_vulpes: bashops uber alles
ben_vulpes: "can you give us a tldr, kiddo?" "NO TLDRS ARE FOR FAGGOTS SIX MONTHS STARTS YESTERDAY"
ben_vulpes: "URGENT: SR MGMT MUST READ LOGS"
ben_vulpes: heh now i'm imagining a research report which is just a link to log line
ben_vulpes: that's what they sell on, but it turns out that the insulation is measured in briefcases of hundies
ben_vulpes: TEH ISOLATION
ben_vulpes: jurov: you have no idea what you're missing
ben_vulpes: critical production as distinct from toy production?
ben_vulpes: was guaranteed way to get boy out of house though "hey i'm here" *slamming around*
ben_vulpes was too kind to call trinque during business hours, lols not worth angrytrinque
ben_vulpes: trinque: oya
ben_vulpes: you know, SOMETIMES
ben_vulpes: i have seen the most amazing kaleidescopic fireworks shows upon opening the machine
ben_vulpes: oh don't even get me started on the ways in which the laptops don't behave deterministically
ben_vulpes: fine, fine
ben_vulpes: > in whatever way
ben_vulpes: nor is it a computer!
ben_vulpes: yank cord, demonstrate deterministic failure plx
ben_vulpes: eh you have a ups in play as well
ben_vulpes: what upon them possibly could
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well computers don't work per sane definitions of working
ben_vulpes: bezosnet is a far more capable docker than docker ever will be.
ben_vulpes: which BY THE WAY
ben_vulpes: yeah the thing approximately works as an uptime monitor for impoverished ustards running 20 side projects on a single aws t1.micro
ben_vulpes: hah oh you hadn't?
ben_vulpes: my popesculator appears to function just fine
ben_vulpes: i don't see any disagreement here
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i thought?
ben_vulpes: "yes i let you use her but she's still mine no matter what show you two got up to in the bedroom"
ben_vulpes: kinda surprised to not see a gf lending metaphor from mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: has the republic dispelled with the illusion of the multi-user unix machine yet?
ben_vulpes: sure but it's been going on like this for what three years how
ben_vulpes: omfg colander
ben_vulpes: and then i waste a year and untold piles of shitbucks on docker
ben_vulpes: this is seen as an inevitability and not a cancer somehow
ben_vulpes: trinque: shibboleth of ruby where nothing gets installed cleanly
ben_vulpes: grow a budget, get some servers, problem?
ben_vulpes: > isolation
ben_vulpes: it's not great for anything.
ben_vulpes: "great for development environments" no, no it is not.
ben_vulpes: worse than mongo in that it contaminates /everything/.
ben_vulpes: silicon-valley developer finger trap. can't go away soon enough.
ben_vulpes: no bitch, you will give me that process that is hosed. i want to diddle it further.
ben_vulpes: "oh, no, why would you ever want to do that? aren't you a professional opsbro? with centralized logging? containers are ephemeral, you low-dough derp! they crash and go away!"
ben_vulpes: but that's not all! say one wants to get into a running container where something went wrong to inspect it's state
ben_vulpes: i--dirty. it--enjoyed.
ben_vulpes: i have wrestled this pig
ben_vulpes: you say this as though you think i'm unaware
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: "if you care about your data integrity, our tool is not for you"
ben_vulpes: the endless pile of "i would like to perform what i consider a basic operation of type X" "here have a shell script of awk and sed"
ben_vulpes: let us not mention the ever-shifting api, the utter failure of to do MOTHERFUCKING GARBAGE COLLECTION, the miserable and useless state in which it leaves disks
ben_vulpes: dude *the* problem?
ben_vulpes: "the hft guy" wrote what i consider the canonical beating, mirrors my experience quite exactly
ben_vulpes happy to chime in on docker shit parade
ben_vulpes: did you get your number yet?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, i move extremely slowly.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624970 << where once you were a crackpot laboring in public obscurity, now you are a luminary of the republic. defections will continue apace until the old empires yield their last secret.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not a c proggy, no
ben_vulpes: HAVE YE VISITED MOUNT DILDO FORGE, NEWCOMER?
ben_vulpes: > forged from used dildos
ben_vulpes: no dick sucky, no javascripty
ben_vulpes: (not that the barf in question makes any goddamn sense in the first place...)
ben_vulpes: well how am i supposed to advise without being able to repro?
ben_vulpes: fuck, buddy
ben_vulpes: heh heh heh
ben_vulpes: hey trinque didja hear that one about cups and the symlinks?
ben_vulpes: relatedly, from #elsewhere, "dude shows up with a thousand farmers on camels. what, tell him to fuck off?"
ben_vulpes: or grow up and get a bouncer
ben_vulpes: onlooker: close the tab and read the logs proper
ben_vulpes: not i
ben_vulpes: 'some regiments may be cut to ribbons and run on contact, but that does not make them useless'
ben_vulpes: trinque sez, 'running around with phorkz not defense in breadth'
ben_vulpes: oh i'm up
ben_vulpes: i have never understood what 'scripting language' was
ben_vulpes: well i miss the point then, try it like i'm five?
ben_vulpes: trinque: has nothing to do with language choice.
ben_vulpes: phf: and then there would be only one logger, which is not in my book the best of worlds.
ben_vulpes: defense in breadth.
ben_vulpes: the other point i didn't get to make is that i dont' buy the 'personal failing' line; redundancy uber alles
ben_vulpes: i suspect a pythong?
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: has an html wrapper around his irc bouncer, phf's is custom (afaik), no idea what jhvh1 and lobbes run
ben_vulpes: unimportant, like trinque said
ben_vulpes: well now i've lost the frame
ben_vulpes: trinque: not to knock what you've built, or aggrandize myself
ben_vulpes: trinque: 3 bots operated by one man are not 'in breadth'
ben_vulpes can tick off at least 3 republicans not in chan
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623540 << something something defense in breadth
ben_vulpes: taking part in the republic, also a mess of a concept.
ben_vulpes: eh i've yet to get my sucking tonight
ben_vulpes: lol much surprise
ben_vulpes: ironclad dood wrote the thing in college and then got a job?
ben_vulpes: oh no i'm thinking of ccl
ben_vulpes: clisp?
ben_vulpes: fuckin waste of a temple
ben_vulpes blows brains out
ben_vulpes: in other water-related engineering projects, here's something that is very definitely not a lock: http://gcaptain.com/worlds-first-ship-tunnel-to-bypass-dangerous-seas-in-norway/
ben_vulpes: nominally
ben_vulpes: hey, it's julia tourianski!
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: also something something maersk and ibm cockchain tekmologies
ben_vulpes: in more lcs gold: http://archive.is/XcC3N << not only are the damned things made of paper and disintegrate as soon as you drop them in the water, but the amount of money that the usg.navy has burnt on them is actually so embarrassing as to be worth a classification fight
ben_vulpes: wakefulness ad libitum!
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