BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but it totally looks like sky-of-bits << The great lulz in is how much effort they put into te skys, faces, and armor yet revert to common failure modes on... Shirts!
BingoBoingo: Or 2011's Planet of the Apes movie
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: this is a pronounced backslide compared to the CGI in 2003's Hulk movie
BingoBoingo: The rotoscope detail on the faces, but.. when asked how much of the clothed torso should animators have to track the execs answered "none"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: advance guard for replacing even the mocaptors with https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610773/virtual-robots-that-teach-themselves-kung-fu-could-revolutionize-video-games/
BingoBoingo: Complete with clothing that moved like... video game shit. Clothes moving in unison with the silhouette instead of like cloth.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see one of those cgi wonders. but it's pretty obvious when they switch, like say in grande belezza, when those flamingos show up, the sky is supposed to bhe like whatever, sky-of-rapture i guess
BingoBoingo: And yes, the quality of CGI has fallen dramatically over the past 10 years. A good chunk of the film was dominated by video game characters pasted onto a map made out of what the real cameras captured.
BingoBoingo: The theater was filled with young Uruguayos who *clapped* when their favorites appeared on screen. (I have since been told clapping because things happen in movies is normal here) Thusly I clapped when their favorites died at the hands of my favorite.
BingoBoingo will confess to seeing the first English language (spanish subtitles) showing of what the authors call "Avengers: Infinity War" Eating one of the local "magic" baked goods T-1 hour before showing, and spending most of the time Thanos wasn't gloating over a WOT filter for this balancing
BingoBoingo: It has a rough skeleton. Like a big tent. Liek their own metaphor.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the nonsense does have some batshit internal logic.
BingoBoingo: The Mexicans like to work, inevitably turn great again. That's why Pantsuit is trying to lure the ones who didn't come to work in 1960-2004 in now.
BingoBoingo: Well, In USSA they are good for enough of a swing to make more than enough laffs
BingoBoingo: BLM does not believe that black economics will cure many of the black communities problems and Hoteps have reason to believe otherwise."
BingoBoingo: #woke >> "Black Lives Matter wishes to appeal to the moral nature of a people that have shown no signs of having a moral compass. Hoteps believe this is assinine. Black Lives Matter would rather complain about the damage the “white man” has done to their communities instead of fixing the issues themselves. BLM wishes to protest and Hoteps do not. BLM will not acknowledge the black on black crime in the community while Hoteps do.
mircea_popescu: they actually believe black men are somehow demographically relevant, god bless their souls.
mircea_popescu: apparently the 1970s "black men know how to organize la revolucion innately, instinctively, and only" nonsense that impelled inepty prisses a la hillary rodham to her ultimate impalement on a stake of lulz are still with them!
mircea_popescu: it's pretty lulzy how threatened they are.
BingoBoingo: They were promised laser spears and flying rocket Pyramids. USG.Disney fucked up not aligning Wakanda with our hero Thanos.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw5bYlTs9Wk in other lulz, pantsuit handpuppet attempts cultural appropriotion
asciilifeform: in unix world it is the buttons that ~don't~ biteyerdickoff , that are remarkable.
trinque: whether the thing has a "bite your dick off" switch, or bites your dick off by default, either way discussing degree of idiocy, I fully agree.
asciilifeform: ^ re the dd example, if it wasn't clear
trinque: mircea_popescu: I mean the shell command, only way I can conceive ^ happening if it is indeed using the shell
trinque: huh. that's pretty sad then.
jurov: for example, if sbcl ran the command using shell, this would have side effect of actually running touch: (run-program "ls" '("`touch /tmp/evil`") :SEARCH T)
jurov: No, you don't need shell to execute other programs.
trinque: even if some other wrapper is using only shellout, has to be firing up that shell *somehow*, right?
lobbes: I thought he meant to cut out the shell middleman entirely and just directly call execve()?
jurov: lisp calls shell with command and parameters. Shell then splits the parameters (and expands variables and many other things uncalled for) and pass them to execve syscall anyway.
jurov: because it does not execute shell but the command directly
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:00 trinque: I dunno why anyone would write a blog post proposing "shell out" and then omit the proper handling of inputs as out of article scope
BingoBoingo: A man on a gruelling mission acquires one McGuffin which will allow him to finally rest, and begins a race against time as the forces of socialism and fake humanitarian scammers align against him.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Definitely. The right fellow wins.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/27/the-triump-of-will-yet-another-infinity-war-review/ << Bingo Blog - The Triump Of Will: Yet Another Infinity War Review
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/27/the-triump-of-will-yet-another-infinity-war-review/ << All the spoilers necessary for Trolling this weekend
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that -- punishment. drepping -- the crime.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 14:36 phf: spyked: what i'm saying is that you can avoid the injection without even introducing any new elements, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gYkxc/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805922 << if you're going to "--clearsign" why not "-aer uid" for the same money ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:34 spyked: good to know, I'll add an example using sbcl's run-program. iirc drakma (or one of the libraries it depends on) forced me to update to asdf3 because of uiop dependency, when getting cl-feed-parser to run.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:20 spyked: anyway, thanks for the escape-shell-token tip trinque, I'm looking into it and will update the post.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805903 << poor spyked keeps getting blindsided with this sorta item. how you holding up in there, yo
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 19:35 asciilifeform: the d00d throwing away his sores, is classical 'назло кондуктору: куплю билет пойду пешком!' analchild maculae
lobbes: I've found myself squirreling away these paradropped ru-isms >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805802
lobbes: Neato spyked. I'm sure I'll be putting your guide to practical use once it comes time to implement the self-voicing bit of the eventual tickerbot I'm building
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 12:42 deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/071-cl-gpg.html << The Tar Pit - Interfacing Common Lisp programs with GPG the (nearly) painless way
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805897 <-- updated. http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/071-cl-gpg.html#selection-1035.0-1037.1 (crap this is even longer now; I need to be more succint)
trinque: er, with a ; at the front
trinque: isn't "rm -rf /" the correct type?
trinque first says "ohey p.bvulpes has lisp highlighting!" then "oh wait, lack of escaping as a feature"
phf: spyked: what i'm saying is that you can avoid the injection without even introducing any new elements, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gYkxc/
spyked: anyway, I've learned a few useful things today and I'm adding them as (hopefully brief!) updates :D
phf: but you don't even have to jump through the hoops of escaping, most lisp's run program implementations, uiop including, support passing in command as a list of strings, which are in turn handled properly by the underlying machinery
spyked: I understand that, I even put an example of command injection in the post. I thought there was some other reason.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 12:59 spyked: the post doesn't purport to be a guide in correct common lisp programming (issues with those functions are explicitly discussed at the end). anyway, trinque, what's wrong with format?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805899 << format is _notorious_ way to get a shell command injection. we had one uncovered by douchebag just two weeks ago in one of the republic's automated processes
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 13:34 spyked: good to know, I'll add an example using sbcl's run-program. iirc drakma (or one of the libraries it depends on) forced me to update to asdf3 because of uiop dependency, when getting cl-feed-parser to run.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-27#1805906 << asdf3 is pretty much standard in all the lisps right now, you have to go out of the way to downgrade. at the very least avoid implicit uiop dependency and declare it in your asdf file (this is by the way even fare's recommendation, but people ignore it "oh i have asdf3, means i can just throw a sneak uiop:foo all over my code)
spyked: pretty good, learning new things about the common lisp environment. :)
spyked: good to know, I'll add an example using sbcl's run-program. iirc drakma (or one of the libraries it depends on) forced me to update to asdf3 because of uiop dependency, when getting cl-feed-parser to run.
spyked: anyway, thanks for the escape-shell-token tip trinque, I'm looking into it and will update the post.
spyked: only one reason: brevity. had I solved this, then I would also have to solve "GPG error codes" and all the other problems that GPGME solves. the point was to avoid this complexity altogether for what I'm doing.
trinque: I dunno why anyone would write a blog post proposing "shell out" and then omit the proper handling of inputs as out of article scope
spyked: the post doesn't purport to be a guide in correct common lisp programming (issues with those functions are explicitly discussed at the end). anyway, trinque, what's wrong with format?
trinque: wtf. you're using format?! yet used uiop, but didn't bother to use their escape-shell-token ?
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/071-cl-gpg.html << The Tar Pit - Interfacing Common Lisp programs with GPG the (nearly) painless way
mircea_popescu: these are harmless guys tho.
mircea_popescu: ya that's the one
mod6: Thing landed in the snow, and I quickly used a hockey stick to shove it into a contractor bag. Nothing flew out -- but they say that the larve somehow survive the cold up here.
mod6: i dont have pics, which i totally regret not taking, but this past february I found a giant (think, basketball size) paperwasp nest in one of my huge Silver Maple trees. Had it cut down. That thing looked like it was gonna have a mega-count of the bastards.
mod6: had me jumping over a fence and running, stripping off all my clothes.
mircea_popescu: mod6, ahaha. they're territorianal!
mod6: mircea_popescu's thorn/winged-paratrooper boob stinging story; reminds me of a time I was cutting down a tree and a wasps nest was in there - it was hot out and I had my shirt off. the fuckers flew down my pants, stung me in the ass like a hundred times.
hanbot: pretty much. header and footer are off by one pixel but i'm saving that fix for next time i feel all ocd. i'm very happy with the hosting!
hanbot: <asciilifeform> hanbot: on my display , the article is about an inch wide ( photos also squashed ) << fixed nao. thanks for reporting!
mircea_popescu: "While no one has directly accused the NSA of inserting backdoors"
mircea_popescu: just in time because we have these tough customers running out of reading material >D
a111: Logged on 2017-05-13 14:31 asciilifeform: the simon and speck thing was egregiously funny because they were published 'for lulz', 'maybe someone will pick up this toy', rather than mandated somewhere
mod6: <+phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805820 << https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6hkNuykz2RE/maxresdefault.jpg << lol, i had the same thing in mind.
hanbot: possibly the fast food fumes interfere
hanbot: there's a lounge ($50 entry, cc only) where it works, heh.
asciilifeform: never did get the airport wifi to work, iirc
hanbot: oh, fun. i'll investigate, meanwhile it should read properly on the index
asciilifeform: hanbot: on my display , the article is about an inch wide ( photos also squashed )
asciilifeform: trinque: ha. i expected the usual goatee transsexual thing.
asciilifeform: the lolturd at the heart of the lj piece, 'This is pure unadulterated slander. Lima is not in any way tainted. It is freshly written MIT code and I was never exposed to original ARM code. This statement is an outrageous lie, and it is amazing that anyone in the open source world would lie like that and expect to get away with it.' << somehow does not occur to the author, that he has a problem , if the 'colour of the bits' is permitte
mircea_popescu: but they're doing the "Clever" thing they picked up at kiddy rape farm (aka "school" in their lingo), whereby "doing it because getting away with it"
mircea_popescu: i do not even for a second believe they don't know better.
asciilifeform: the concern with usg.legality of throwing open 'nda' datashits, leaked src, etc. among the 'respects yer fleadom!11' folx, asciilifeform found 'zoologically' allergenic turn-off even 10yrs ago, barfed, long before encountering mircea_popescu et al
mircea_popescu: they know better.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably they labour under belief that they're in opposition to thebeast. ( rather than the reality of 'obrien' and 'can of coke on the left', 'blue usg', etc padded playrooms )
mircea_popescu: heretics joining them -- well they utterly fucking deserve everything they get, don't they.
asciilifeform: ('to spite the conductor! i'll buy a ticket and.. WALK!11')
mircea_popescu: that much makes sense. the empire of idiots is for and by idiots, yes.
mircea_popescu: everyone else has the ready excuse : i'm with usg because who else would give a straw hat for the asshole of a barely literate black woman ? ~condolezza rice.
asciilifeform: the d00d throwing away his sores, is classical 'назло кондуктору: куплю билет пойду пешком!' analchild maculae
mircea_popescu: i honestly enjoy watching "good men" in the sense of dedicatedly evil but biologically promising intellects like this fucktard, the murdock dork and so on getting fucked.
asciilifeform: ( it was the root wank behind the others, i did not link to it because it is deeply opaque other than to dedicated entomologist )
mircea_popescu: , by using more of my work against me... And in the latter case i give people like Jasper and companies like Endless Mobile what they want, in spite of their contemptible actions and statements. Logically, there is only one conclusion possible in that constellation."
mircea_popescu: "Now I have a choice. I can wait until i am in the mood to clean up this code and produce something useful for public consumption, and in the meantime see my name and my work slandered. Or... If i throw my (nasty) code over the wall, someone will rename/rewrite it, mess up a lot of things, and trash me for not having done corner X or Y, so essentially slander me and my work and probably even erase my achievements from history
asciilifeform: aa the gpu d00d
mircea_popescu: https://archive.li/XmwAh << anyway, fwiw the better emo rant (aptly -- on livejournal).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what cent, these folx work ('work'...?) for ~phree
mircea_popescu: because totally, that's what i'm competing with. it's not the case that per-hour imperial pay for computer work is under a cent.
mircea_popescu: "From March 2011 on, I have spent an insane amount of time on this. Codethink paid, all-in-all, 6 weeks of my time when i was between customer projects." << and then come here asking for TWENTy MILLIONS
asciilifeform: trinque: folx who smash their heads repeatedly against immovable (with the available tools) wall, begin to resemble one another, independently of precisely which wall is chosen
mircea_popescu: amusingly, dumbass forgot to start by saying "as mp told me would happen in http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ i was unable..."
trinque: castrati gotta remove the taint!
asciilifeform: they have at least several.
trinque: who can differentiate them
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-story-of-the-bitter-thorn-and-other-terrors/ << Trilema - The story of the bitter thorn and other terrors
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with declarative languages ; as proven by the very fact that you find yourself constrained to use them NOW AND AGAIN.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every single thread of "oh, alf could solve this problem -- in a vacuum" comes down to this, an incorrect choice between the two in one of those rare field cases where adherence actually trumps elegance.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you will not die if you step out of a narrow model. you're a very elegant thinker, and evidently imagine elegance is the only possible value. nevertheless, adherence can on occasion, howsoever rarely but proportionally painfully, actually more valuable than elegance.
asciilifeform: imho 'study arcana of $system' is exactly that. yes, from narrowly tunnelled picture of efficacy -- 'the thing to do.' but from 'want to be man, not extension of machine' pov -- problem.
asciilifeform: recall the trilema piece re 'machinist is not professional, but an accessory to the machine' ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 17:03 mircea_popescu: and so is the situation here, the management cost of the general purpose solution you propose by so far drowns out any possible benefit of "hey, alf had to learn something, instead of relying on his assumptions" you can't imagine.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805748 << can't resist to come back to this one : imho some types of 'learning' are actually bad for health. ever wonder ~why~ the greybeards are incurable, and never show here ? doesn't seem to you that 20yrs polishing expertise in msexcel^H^H^H^Hpostgres might have something to do with it ?
asciilifeform: incidentally , seems to me that this thread is rightfully part of the 40+ yr 'compilers vs hand asm' wars.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and reasonable performance seems to require manual shift and 'formula 1' pro race driver << Nah, Plenty of enthusiast vehicles are starting to get a "Drag Racing" transmission mode. Shifting in motorsports is mostly preserved for the sport aspect as opposed to the motor part.
mircea_popescu: because he knows both you and it well enough to lie to both and neither of you get it.
mircea_popescu: ties neatly into the above discussion re wasted talent also.
mircea_popescu: the ticket to insanity is trying to adapt systems for the benefit of those who didn't want to use them in the first place.
mircea_popescu: and so is the situation here, the management cost of the general purpose solution you propose by so far drowns out any possible benefit of "hey, alf had to learn something, instead of relying on his assumptions" you can't imagine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the 'auto gearbox' in postgres, isn't worth much
mircea_popescu: the mechanical impedance of the pedal drowns out any possible contribution the human c9ould put in. the stick can fucking detect "hey, we're getting moved, undo the coupling!" electronically well enough
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? your car ALSO doesn't expose injector timings to you. i don't care you think you'd do a better job by hand. the direction's been away froim the fucking clutch, even. i personally own a car running tiptonic gearbox and girl who's an excellent stick driver, and she STILL prefers the autoclutch. because the machine does it way the fuck better, what.
phf: mircea_popescu: the ones that don't tend to be contracted by large postgresql users, but then the incentive is fucked up, because large postgresql users have already worked around the well known voodoo cases and want fancy new features instead, that run orthogonal to core (and in a very high level architectural sense are often the result of the core's "voodoo" limitations)
asciilifeform: yet somehow the mysql 'tower of pancake' is solid enuff ?
mircea_popescu: which is how we have fucking "interfaces" and otherwise computers still run on an unexamined hope and an expiured prayer leftover from 1971
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform also suspects that the very problem of 'kill sql' is ill-posed, and that sane replacement would be a much humbler and lower-level thing that actually exposes the mathematical data structures -- e.g. btree -- in a programmable way, with no attempt at 'intelligence' and ~iron~ correspondence b/w what one writes and what the machine does )
mircea_popescu: they're probably sitting somewhere polishing statuetters because the insane culture they live in misdirects them there rather than here.
mircea_popescu: phf, moreover, the incentive structure is FUCKED UP.
asciilifeform: and it lives on, and each new generation gets to suffer in it, because the only folx qualified to kill it are exactly those greybeards, who blew 20+ yrs of life on studying the voodoo incantations.
asciilifeform: phf: and yes also it's a 'job creation language', and imho undeservedly gets good reputation among thinking people ( e.g. mircea_popescu ) because it is the 'jobs for greybeards' type, rather than 'for 19yo shits' a la perl
phf: that is implement the necessary optimization
asciilifeform: 'when you paint the knobs blue, it's o(n log n), but if you paint'em green, it's o(n!)' etc
phf: i suspect a lot of these obvious derivations are well known too, but there's like 5 people who know enough postgresql internals to implement them.
phf: i suspect that's it's my favorite SAT, mapping declarative problems to an optimal imperative solution is NP, but nobody approaches it that way anyway, instead it's heuristics which have specific failure modes on case by case basis. ascii can see see the "obvious" derivation of optimal imperative solution from declarative code, but postgresql's compiler can't
mircea_popescu: but srsly, so what, you dirty the count and re-run the op to find it. big whoop, hapens once every 5 years
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 15:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805475 << lol somehow nobody but me noticed the bug. i fixed it this morning, all that remains is to clean the crapola from the db, will do this after backup
asciilifeform: this sounds great until it is time to 'unfind' a factor, as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805504 or the prev case where the thing turned up a corner case in bernstein and found 300+ or wat was it spurious factors
mircea_popescu: if your complaint is "why is my counting take time to count", the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805658 solution is "keep a count, add to it".
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 16:06 mircea_popescu: ~at that time~, whenever it is, you can also insert them into a separate table with an autoindex field.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805702 << i'm surprised that mircea_popescu did not go straight to 'increment a counter when they're found!'
mircea_popescu: ~at that time~, whenever it is, you can also insert them into a separate table with an autoindex field.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'for which moduli, are there known factors'
asciilifeform: the 'announce' is not a push process. when rss pg is loaded, and cache expired, it actually issues the query
mircea_popescu: then you can offer a count as good as anyone knows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, seems to me you can always fill the cracked moduli table at the time you announce them to deedbot. shouldn't lock your main moduli table in being a diff table.
mod6: there's gotta be.
asciilifeform: the mega-optimization of the third rewrite, was to make the werker ( c proggy, number cruncher ) process ~never~ touch the moduli table. so that the latter could be continuously filled up by new inputs, and not lock
asciilifeform: this was in phuctor v.2 (prev ver) , and was one of the things that made it bog-slow
asciilifeform: it is not cheap, the copy has to be updated continuously
asciilifeform: they do NOT.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is trivial for only the items that correspond to rows of a table
asciilifeform: ( i burned considerable time on this and related questions prior to the outage also, to similarly disappointing result )
asciilifeform: dug also for some days re how to make the counting ops (for 'stats' page) not be o(N), and found 0 usefully actionable pill
asciilifeform: btw interestingly enuff, last night i upped the working memory for postgres to 64GB (from 128MB default), and the per-connection buffer to 2GB (from 2MB default) , and this resulted in 0 measurable change in performance.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 19:34 asciilifeform: Framedragger: i am increasingly finding that 'general purpose db' is, like the infamous 'vise-grip', The Wrong Tool For Every Job
mircea_popescu: well so then.
asciilifeform: familiar, and i dispute the relevance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, from the same "first principles" you can expect impossible properties in extended geometries. you're familiar with this, yes ?
asciilifeform: (rather than 'naive assumptions')
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't agree "wild west ie wisconsin in 1860" is "braindamaged". notwithstanding the sheer lack of convenience stores.
asciilifeform: if i calculate the actual algorithmic cost from first principles and it is asymptotically less than what postgres gives -- postgres is braindamaged, and there is no court of appeal
mircea_popescu: now, whether the abstrusity has any good practical reason, that's a different concern. but in principle you can end up with the sad fate where both "trying to go to the store" is a lifetime adventure and there's very good reasons for it being so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there ~can~ be a reason for it. you're saying "whether the geometry is braindamaged or not depends on whether my naive assumptions of metrics are satisfied or not, therefore only some of the n-spheres are valid geometry". not so.
mod6: Most of these need not exist. But, alas, sacred cow. Na na na na. Can't touch this.
asciilifeform: ( 'how perverse the imposed model' is imho not a purely subjective statement -- and goes back to the 'orthogonality' discussion; if , as in the earlier thread, in your system adding a 'not' gate suddenly turns a o(n log n) op into a o(n^2), this is perverse, as there cannot be any mathematical justification for it, it is purely a result of braindamaged programmers
mod6: The field has a lot of depth. It's kinda wild.
mod6: I kinda like trying to performance tune databases a bit... just as long as I don't have to "own" the db.
mircea_popescu: and since most people a) have to deal with "idea men", ie dorks whose undisciplined mental process was never really checked by reality and b) don't ever have the authority to tell them off... well... of course the result is temptation to suicide.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is troo of ~all~ programming systems; only variation is in just how perverse the imposed model
mod6: Ususally these guys come in and have to wrangle this mess of shit.
mircea_popescu: but databases have this problem asciilifeform ran into, too, whereby they dun care about your mental models, adapt to their needs or go awya.
mircea_popescu: i think the problem is rather that people try to do it as work for hire. which works well enough for "flash programmers" and php copy-pasters and i guess "web designers".
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 00:05 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2326 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Delousing the Asus C101PA.
mod6: We're lucky then!
mircea_popescu: mod6, amusingly, dba is one of the few it fields i'm somewhat familiar with. never wanted to kill self.
mod6: this is true, explain plans can be hard to decipher when you first start looking at them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as a general rule, when diagnosis tools are 0 help pretty much everywhere the problem is not the "poor quality of the ultrasound". you gotta be a doctor to read those.
mod6: "OMG YOU CAN'T PUT IN KEYS!? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1"
mod6: It can be especially bad when you inherit a wing-ding pile of garbage (i.e. no constraints, the usual nonsense) that also happens to be a sacred cow.
mod6: That's one role that I've never wanted to have. I've watched these people wanna kill themselves for 20 years.
mod6: It was recently that someone was like, "Hey, come work for us, there is a role as Database Arch..." "Umm. No thanks..."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805608 << i know 'explain' command, but its output was of 0 help in re: e.g. the 'in ...' vs 'not in ...' puzzle. and pretty much everywhere else.
trinque: goodnight, many heads of the tit hydra
trinque: mircea_popescu had it, industrial machinery, organizes gigantic sets, does a few things to make sure the wad isn't lost.
ben_vulpes: hey, one of my deliverables failed the external tests once
ben_vulpes: "can never demonstrate the absence of bugs" notwithstanding, i don't know why folks don't slow down and test that their deliverables do what they claim before making claims
ben_vulpes: links to the ml advocates, their jupyter notebooks, and the troubles they have "getting from research to production" too i'd hazard
mircea_popescu: there's a very deep link between "putin doesn't understand how the world works ; notwithstanding which he stole our election" and "cell (5,7) on your screen".
mircea_popescu: that it's popular with the sort of meat puppets populating the pantsuit vatfarms is unsurprising -- it's pretty much engineered to cater to their batshit insane worldview.
mircea_popescu: unlike vbasic and moreover, the very fucking NOTION of "here is a list of cells, grapghically displayed"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i dun agree ; excel is clown car. the db stuff... not really.
ben_vulpes: trinque: you know i tell folks i squirt grease on the largest $problem-domain spreadsheet they could possibly imagine when they ask what i do; i can laugh and cry about it allll day
trinque: dunno if it'll make you laugh or cry, but either's good drinking
ben_vulpes: that said the rigorish typing of postgres has been a boon in this one circumstance where the tower of complexititus threatens to overwhelm me at every step
mircea_popescu: is that the last of ;em ?
mircea_popescu: but in other good news, trilema discovered the fastest reader alive : http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/#comment-125468
mircea_popescu: it's always a good idea to listen to "the experts".
phf: asciilifeform: aha, i figured as much, idle curiosity about where the hardware boundaries lie. we'll find out soon enough!
asciilifeform: phf: machine seems to be something quite like the pizarro rockchip board but with screen,kbd,battery
asciilifeform: unlike the chromenintendo i experimented on in 2013
asciilifeform: phf: whole spark of asciilifeform's interest in the '101' was that it has marvell wifi chip (on usb) and apparently nonaccelerated 2d worx with standard kernel
mircea_popescu: yes well, not everyone's an asshole. i don't recall the last time someone came up with the idea of assaulting ro embassies.
phf: asciilifeform: i would be pleasantly surprised if the machine can have a blobless video/wifi
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, most hoppable fence of them all so far. Except well, Panama but they don't have a fence at all. Front door opens into the street.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma put it in the queue then. ( machine per se, came in last night )
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/remedial-skills-camera-walk-rtfm-edition/ << Bingo Blog - Remedial Skills: Camera Walk RTFM Edition
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/racism-in-pigeons/ << Bingo Blog - Racism In Pigeons
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 16:40 asciilifeform: and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc.
asciilifeform: ( lives -- yes -- on shithub; https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano/tree/master/drivers << all he's got in the way of iron )
asciilifeform: ( there doesn't appear to be a self-eating compiler in'ere... )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:25 phf: heh, main changes in recent versions of slime: additions of mezzano interaction (lisp "operating system"), but the lulzy part additions of large variety of deprecation errors and warnings.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805414 << mezzano seems -- since i last looked -- to be almost enuff to make an actual workstation os out of , if anybody bothered to get hold of a e.g. apu1 with sage snake and tailor it properly to the iron
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:01 mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
asciilifeform: and gotta narrowly focus on subject, rather than 'hey look i turned 17 knobs at once'
asciilifeform: he didn't seem to grasp the notion that the patches are meant to be read and understood.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:53 phf: trinque: there wasn't anything wrong with polarbeard's patches in general, he just happened to be doing his work when there was a lot of regrinds going on in the tree and after third time he was asked to regrind he decided he had enough and quit
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805426 << not quite how i remember it. d00d was demonstrably inadherent to the concept of vpatch hygiene , persisted with creation of shithub-style megaturds
asciilifeform: ( possibly also it is better to have folx purchase the raw material locally, and flash the rom themselves ? )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 06:27 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them