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ascii_butugychag: do you have the log scrolling 24/7 ?
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: it doesn't tell you worth shit re: a stuck node.
ascii_butugychag: and then you people wonder why your tx is stuck on mars without a return ticket
ascii_butugychag: these things spend a good chunk of their time not node-in !1111
ascii_butugychag: does nobody but me actually watch their trb logs ?
ascii_butugychag: is so that we can get to a place where there is NEVER a situation of 'i wonder wtf the node is doing'
ascii_butugychag: one of the reasons i wrote shiva,
ascii_butugychag: (yes i have two blockchains, different users, etc on it)
ascii_butugychag: nor does idem, running on SAME BOX as zoolag in parallel with it and -connected to it and the other trbs.
ascii_butugychag: what i do know is that -connect nodes within my walls do not ever blackhole.
ascii_butugychag: 8hrs until i reset it.
ascii_butugychag: while the network thread continues to accept connections
ascii_butugychag: blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged
ascii_butugychag: restart - always cures
ascii_butugychag: i can say at this point that it is not a network issue as such
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: have you carried out experiments re: blackholes nodes ?
ascii_butugychag: he's prolly almost as tired of reading'em as i am of sending
ascii_butugychag: anyway, a thing that gives vtronic lxr that also would eat patches and let you walk the vtree, would be ~the~ answer.
ascii_butugychag: that we junked
ascii_butugychag: nm i was thinking of the earlier thing
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: actually lxr is ~profoundly~ retarded in that i can't link to line numbers
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: it is partly why we use l's notation
ascii_butugychag: and be vtronic.
ascii_butugychag: aha but this all needs to be in 1 place
ascii_butugychag: (or rather, the pisshole that then existed there)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395177 << science ~does~ 'have a country~ in the sense that newton was not and could not have been from zimbabwe.
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: recall that the whole project appeared largely on account of my unreasonable demands
ascii_butugychag: i do NOT have the time, energy, or inclindation to fucking HUNT for 'where is this defined'
ascii_butugychag: (yes, this includes paper book, which HAD FUCKING BETTER have concordance indices in all margins on every page)
ascii_butugychag: i refuse to read the code in anything where i can't click an identifier and get concordance
ascii_butugychag: right now i'm stuck with it
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395141 << when americans stuff ballot box, they like to set it up as 'dark horse candidate'
ascii_butugychag: srsly lxr is lame
ascii_butugychag: (which ~really~ needs to be come the canonical patch swallower and lxr replacement )
ascii_butugychag: i really don't see the appeal, esp. now that phf has the colourized viewer thing
ascii_butugychag: ( ben_vulpes ? )
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395170 << at least 2 people did this, for some reason, before
ascii_butugychag: whod'avethunkit
ascii_butugychag: so on top of it all... the behaviour isn't standard ?
ascii_butugychag: re: block cipher thread: http://cr.yp.to/snuffle.html << interesting, djb
ascii_butugychag: at least according to the man pages.
ascii_butugychag: and offset can't actually be disabled in gnupatch
ascii_butugychag: 'fuzz' refers to ignored context
ascii_butugychag: sooo apparently,
ascii_butugychag: go, build arse-mouth system, rack up $1B in tax, $10M in paypal fee, ahve fun
ascii_butugychag: the machine doesn't give a fuck to whom the card belongs
ascii_butugychag: if i dump a credit card into my own 'paypal' input, they will dutifully tally it up and 'income'
ascii_butugychag: how are ~they~ to know where you got it.
ascii_butugychag: moved money? 'income'
ascii_butugychag: shinohai: that article is mega-unsurprising, coinbase is following 'letter of the law' in usa
ascii_butugychag: than 'executable string', l0l
ascii_butugychag: what exactly else is a program ?
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: ever use 'sam' (editor) ?
ascii_butugychag: jurov: context could, theoretically, be regenerated from the file.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: perfectly valid idea
ascii_butugychag: should not be possible at all
ascii_butugychag: it is an error condition!
ascii_butugychag: the result of a 'patch' ever not matching the hash, SHOULD NOT HAPPEN
ascii_butugychag: think about it:
ascii_butugychag: and it will help you to learn what went wrong
ascii_butugychag: instead of rubbish
ascii_butugychag: ~that way~ you will end with a press of the last makes-sense pressing !
ascii_butugychag: and to die if return code is ever not 0
ascii_butugychag: (no fuzz)
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i recommend for it to also run patch with F 0
ascii_butugychag: this would give you the entire tree as represented by your patches+seals+keys set.
ascii_butugychag: my intent was that the user would include ALL of the leaves he is interested in by using a custom patch dir, and then press to the last.
ascii_butugychag: (you could cut into the middle of a leaf set more or less alphabetically)
ascii_butugychag: but in a very primitive way
ascii_butugychag: my vtron had it
ascii_butugychag: if you press to genesis, you get the bitcoin we started with.
ascii_butugychag: even genesis
ascii_butugychag: you can use a non-leaf node as a head
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: not necessarily
ascii_butugychag: genesis is where a v object comes to exist.
ascii_butugychag: insufficiently descriptive
ascii_butugychag: (all heads have arses)
ascii_butugychag: thinkaboutit
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: the genesis is always implicit in the head
ascii_butugychag: mod6: patch .... -F 0 ...
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i still see 'offset' in there?
ascii_butugychag: want both? include both, and let it press everything it can see
ascii_butugychag: my point was that there is not a special knob, you don't need it, your unix file system is the knob
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: you can do it just as well with his
ascii_butugychag: place the ones you want in a dir, make sure you have the desired seals, and press
ascii_butugychag: this is really the best way, imho
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: my original vtron was controlled by manually selecting patch sets
ascii_butugychag: jurov: a correctly-designed vtron - absolutely will
ascii_butugychag: jurov: A and A' are, if dropped in the hopper, equally legit pressings
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: at the same time ?!! why??
ascii_butugychag: this would result in gargantuan vpatches, but... utterly unassailable.
ascii_butugychag: *identifier
ascii_butugychag: (the entire file is its own identified)
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, to answer a question that jurov asked a while ago, it is not only possible to use an arbitrary hash function with v, but even, theoretically, to use none at all.
ascii_butugychag: it kinda reduces to 'p'
ascii_butugychag: that it works at all, to our purpose, is a marvel.
ascii_butugychag: we have right now a profoundly braindamaged o
ascii_butugychag: v is simply a mathatron that deals in the basic operation h,s1,o,s2 where s1 and s2 are strings, h is an operation (usually a hash) for recognizing said strings via trapdoor, and o is a transform
ascii_butugychag: in fact, the use of gnudiff/patch is really happenstance
ascii_butugychag: 'this patch applies IF THIS HASH otherwise FUCKOFF'
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, v really started as a pill against this particular thing
ascii_butugychag: gnupatch has 'fuzz' because... you never know whether the comments got regendered ? or what.
ascii_butugychag: (physically speaking)
ascii_butugychag: than to a ppm of anything
ascii_butugychag: and the overall effect is more similar to the rocket pins
ascii_butugychag: prolly enough to be 'interesting'
ascii_butugychag: or you get improperly localized failure
ascii_butugychag: and i warned, that this has to be switched off
ascii_butugychag: tries to make the patch fit
ascii_butugychag: it is 'patch' that does this
ascii_butugychag: tries to find a place where the context fits.
ascii_butugychag: 'yes it will fit!11111'
ascii_butugychag: reminds me of the circular connectors, with 100s of pins, that rockets had - in su they copied american plugs, yes; but they also had sergeants with hammers
ascii_butugychag: i wonder who thought 'fuzzy' diff was a good idea for a default to begin with
ascii_butugychag: that way v will stop where it must
ascii_butugychag: gotta disable fuzzz
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu:, mod6: notice the '5 offset' ??
ascii_butugychag: if same - then works
ascii_butugychag: mod6: you can give the green light to yourself, just vdiff the result of applying my two patches vs. the result of applying your unified.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: recall how it was pre-v ?
ascii_butugychag: (my own vtron verified nothing at all, i must point out.)
ascii_butugychag: but not the return code of patch -p0 < .... ?
ascii_butugychag: (also important to disable 'fuzziness' in the latter)
ascii_butugychag: i thought mod6's vtron actually verified each patch operation ?
ascii_butugychag: mod6: what am i looking at
ascii_butugychag: when there are two prongs of equal length
ascii_butugychag: it is no more immediately decidable than a young chain fork in bitcoin
ascii_butugychag: just like in bitcoin
ascii_butugychag: imho any other definition is necessarily un-vtronic
ascii_butugychag: an obsolete patch is simply one that doesn't keep getting built on.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: it's a 'longest chain' sort of thing. see old thread.
ascii_butugychag: a, e.g., shiva.cpp - only patch - will work fine
ascii_butugychag: ty mod6. i'd like to note that in a time of 'fog of war', when some patch is up in the air, it is not necessary to hold off on ~all~ work, but only things which concern the affected subsystems.
ascii_butugychag: ^ the mega-algo
ascii_butugychag: 1) rename 2) forget
ascii_butugychag: this is how a patch ought to be.
ascii_butugychag goes & actually reads
ascii_butugychag: btw which main.cpp does this patch sit on ?
ascii_butugychag: congrats mircea_popescu
ascii_butugychag: 'doctor, it hurts'
ascii_butugychag: it is 'always the user's fault'
ascii_butugychag: now mircea_popescu knows the joys !11
ascii_butugychag: 'diamond age' is prolly closest thing i know to a fictional portrayal of... tmsr
ascii_butugychag: had little gurl, nell, who illicitly found a robotic tutor who gave her puzzles about 'princess nell' and taught her to survive in the Dark Fyootoor (tm)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: b00k. neal stephenson. quite lulzy
ascii_butugychag: is princessnell named after the 'diamond age' heroine.
ascii_butugychag: the 64 gigazimbabwedollar question:
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: played with shiva yet ?
ascii_butugychag: i did not sign it, because we have no mechanical provisions for processing such a thing, nor is it a long-term goal
ascii_butugychag: this, if you will, is a 'bridge' meta-patch.
ascii_butugychag: you should get a diff consisting solely of pathnames.
ascii_butugychag: btw, educational exercise for anybody interested in shiva: diff ~the vpatches~ shiva-part-1 and the tinyscheme-genesis aggregate.
ascii_butugychag: mod6: ok now i see
ascii_butugychag: shiva, or tinyscheme-genesis ?
ascii_butugychag: !s buluceala
ascii_butugychag: (e.g., harvard tuition is what, exactly.)
ascii_butugychag: anyway the funniest thing is that nobody cancelled purchased commissions, and other simonies - they are simply brokered through the credential racketeers now
ascii_butugychag: i thought mircea_popescu taught us that they quit making worthy officers some time around 1800
ascii_butugychag: buterin has (had?) a trunk of perfectly genuine money.
ascii_butugychag: than to anybody who 'made'
ascii_butugychag: the 10k are more likely to belong to buterin
ascii_butugychag: (of commercial aristos, who did not have quite enough to bequeath to each son)
ascii_butugychag: cia as per ~its own~ official histories admits being an org made of 'second sons'
ascii_butugychag: i tend to associate this with old brit and ru empires, officers with purchased commissions, imbecilic commanders, 'blue blood.'
ascii_butugychag: see, e.g., snowden
ascii_butugychag: since the beginning
ascii_butugychag: anyway what i meant was, they have a pedigreed white meat thing going
ascii_butugychag: that's pleeb seek000rity
ascii_butugychag: (has bizarre schutzstaffel-esque aryan thing going)
ascii_butugychag: nsa complex is not indian - yet
ascii_butugychag: it isn't a difficult concept
ascii_butugychag: (cipher in the non-otp sense)
ascii_butugychag: my suspicion is that neither side has a block or stream cipher of provable hardness
ascii_butugychag: guard their precious eggs, aha
ascii_butugychag: the latter, he explains, sank with the rest of atlantis
ascii_butugychag: to 'guard the precious su proprietary cipherz'
ascii_butugychag: he claims that it was disinfo.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: maslennikov actually discusses at great length why 'GOST' cipher, which is a cruddy knockoff of DES, was adopted
ascii_butugychag: btw if you read that article, my hypothesis was that the usg ciphers are specially built to fail in a particular way.
ascii_butugychag: sure why not
ascii_butugychag: because nobody else (at least not humans) does.
ascii_butugychag: if mircea_popescu knows this, he oughta share
ascii_butugychag: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << obligatory oldie, from my www; i will note that most of the proprietary ciphers are known to be symmetric.
ascii_butugychag: like noah's pigeon.
ascii_butugychag: and the one-bit, 'i saw a coconut'
ascii_butugychag: can carry the smell.
ascii_butugychag: this'd be a neato use for mircea_popescu's network of little birds, incidentally
ascii_butugychag: (to where i could find'em)
ascii_butugychag: just that none of the results, positive or negative, leaked out.
ascii_butugychag: didn't say it were.
ascii_butugychag: that is, vernam (otp) and that's IT
ascii_butugychag: i always found it interesting that, after all of the $maxint spent on both sides of the ocean on symmetric crypto (see maslennikov's b00k, from the l0gz, say) we have - publicly - no more provably-hard symmetric crypto than a hundred years ago
ascii_butugychag: if they aren't prime, you're using multiprime rsa and if your smallest prime is small, you get, e.g., pollard-rho'd
ascii_butugychag: this isn't 'thick', it is cheap confabulation and obfuscation
ascii_butugychag: like the standard fortifications around usg pissholes
ascii_butugychag: it is interesting, to me, how the derpwall of 'don't go there! dragons!' always has quite the same appearance, from a mile away
ascii_butugychag: (i must mention, for completeness, that derpwall could have an opposite purpose, of preventing inquiriy into the ~weakness~ of b-b-s when used as prng, as it is in many systems incl. iirc, certain versions of winblowz)
ascii_butugychag: we cannot see the dense matter at the center, but can see the derpwalls around
ascii_butugychag: what we are seeing in callas and the shitoverflow derp is akin to the horizon of black hole
ascii_butugychag: BUT i do not know this proof, and it is not public.
ascii_butugychag: i now strongly suspect that blumblumshub can be proven to equal rsa in hardness
ascii_butugychag: whole turd worth reading, but for pro entomologists strictly !
ascii_butugychag: 'Jon Callas Former CTO of PGP Now CTO Silent Circle'
ascii_butugychag: !s jon callas
ascii_butugychag: l0l mircea_popescu has the rng! could be swimming in rngola
ascii_butugychag: ... because the pope said, or somesuch
ascii_butugychag: 'pushes the problem down to your rng' which 'of course' can never work
ascii_butugychag: 'it's slow and there are boojums and didja know it's slow??...'
ascii_butugychag: iirc it has some fine points
ascii_butugychag: possibly this, but possibly the proof is dodgy
ascii_butugychag: btw how come nobody uses blum-blum-shub, which provably reduces to quadratic residuosity hardness, as a block cipher ?
ascii_butugychag specializes in 'the one hole', aha
ascii_butugychag: but so many perfectly decent bad ones! l0l
ascii_butugychag: symmetric plox
ascii_butugychag: anybody got a favourite symmetric cipher, incidentally ?
ascii_butugychag: but i wanted to put this basic summary here, in case i get flattened by a bus or whatnot tonight.
ascii_butugychag: but not quite ready to fire in anger yet, this is a world-exposed sorta thing and needs to be 'measure 777 times, cut once'
ascii_butugychag: and dusted this ancient thing off
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes wanted some warez, and i realized that we haven't the most elementary provisions for warez
ascii_butugychag: draft name, 'g'
ascii_butugychag: and on the other side of that, e.g., anon ftp.
ascii_butugychag: on other side is the same thing, started for just one session, with same key
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