mp_en_viaje: wtf are they thinking it's anyone's guess (besides, of course, the fact that they've all been pizarro-ing the bed, the usercount has been dropping for 2 decades now, while the internet has been growing)
diana_coman: I rather expect it will be quite lulzy too to see the actual output of thousands of userz but at any rate, if by some mysterious working there is something alive in there, it should be found too.
diana_coman: fwiw on irc-project, thimbronion contacted at least oftc, undernet, dalnet and espernet but because 1. he has to improve there 2. they are all into this wank of "us big networkz, no need serverz" , I'll have him get some proper data and write it up to have it in clear: set up some bouncers and log for a while all chans,
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol you fughot sumthing important in there
BingoBoingo: I've been paying more attention this week to checking the last extension triplet than the preceeding file name parts.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:42 asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
asciilifeform: wait why's it a tar.gz ? oughta be straight gz of the stick image
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to ping when diana_coman's contents are ready for dload ; the box to receive'em is prepared (on desk) .
asciilifeform needs fully mechanized process for these, or bringing up rack fulla'em will be 1st class bitch.
asciilifeform meanwhile making new attempt at the auto-installer for asciilifeform-gentoo, this time using trinque's method .
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946089 << on initial testing, the re-application of said vpatch seems to have done the trick
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 256 ( i dun recall there ever being a 128 ? )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is the pogo 128 or 256 mb of RAM?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness -- by my current reckoning, i can get away with charging <1/2 of what piz cost for colo ; so errybody who lived in piz, oughta be able , for same price, to keep ~2~ (or moar) boxen, e.g. 1 here and 1 in diana_coman's , or even 1 in ea. + barebone in heathendom.
asciilifeform: shelf is nominally 1u, but i'ma set it up under the slot holding the 6in-deep pdu , so effectively 2u of height avail. for what's on that shelf.
asciilifeform: there is to be (just nao uncrated it) a 36in shelf for 'nonrackable rackables'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't know about moving blogs right away, but I am interested in a something to spread out the DNS record serving
asciilifeform uncrated just nao the ssd for diana_coman's rk, and the mount. it'll be the 1st box going in.
asciilifeform: these, notably, run 'coreboot' and have probe jacks and thereby can have , optionally, kernel burned into bios .
asciilifeform: meanwhile in rackables : 2 'apu1' w/ 1tb 'samsung' in ea. ( asciilifeform-gentoo or other filling at customer's option ) will be standing up. and available to sit on.
asciilifeform took delivery of 1st batch of crates for cage build : slide shelf, pdu, switch, cabling, squarenuts, ssds, several other necessaries.
asciilifeform intends to squeeze max use from the fact of rationally planning the build from 0, and personally config w/ own hands
asciilifeform: sorta is the point of colo -- to get ~exactly~ what you want, rather than crude approximation.
asciilifeform does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks
asciilifeform: additionally , if smg would like to operate 1 or moar boxen here in asciilifeform's cage, i'ma happily service, either on transported iron, or on own stock, either worx .
asciilifeform: ( remember that if you're baking new ones, this also will take time. so entirely q for smg people, and the numbers could come out in either direction )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: per my notes, smg was gearing to purchase its inhabited irons (pending delivery of replacements) , this fell down when the rack fell down. i expect if it comes out as +ev , and estimate of time for transportation aint outrageous, mp may want to proceed with said purchase and grab the irons. worth to ask.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: acquired substantial virgin bubble wrap and clean virgin cardboard yesterday. Today found "protector poliestileno" for the corners.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this naturally depends on whether you're already doomed to import. but worth making the calculation.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing I did not own any irons with pizarro; for the other, I seriously doubt it's cheaper because of the import whatever.
asciilifeform recommends to diana_coman & other 'rack bakers' to invest in inexpensive 'coffin' transportable rack -- makes desk testing / transport of stacks of boxen rather less painful .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: trouble is that I'll still pay for sad hosting elsewhere because there's still the need for diverse locations.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz, not yet; I still need to schedule a meeting with at least a few dc-s within reachable distance; then I'll see; fwiw though atm I don't have any rack-irons anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the rack space is recurring cost, but feels considerably less 'bite' to asciilifeform when he tallied up what currently pays for sad hostings elsewhere
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm beginning to suspect there are folx ~actually~ living in that 1 dc. ( or else wai is there exercise hall, showers... )
diana_coman: then again, I wouldn't quite want to *live* in a dc either and computers seem to multiply in my house as it is so probably not much choice there in the end anyway.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the big expense here is the rack space esp since recurring; and yes, where was it: will end up paying for racks more than for living quarters, lolz.
asciilifeform intends to properly document 'how to bake rack' . cut out the voodoo...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma test w/ own disks, and purchase fresh ones when there are takers
asciilifeform: diana_coman: these (lesse how they work..) boxen are nominally same type, and incl. double redundant ps and my favourite raid5.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think you have some moar taxes there, in europistan
asciilifeform: these are w/ 256G ecc ram, and (slightly faster than the prev. but still pre-fritz) 2.5GHz, 2 x 16core .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for that matter as far as I know , even hardware is actually cheaper in the USA than in Europe.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm a miser. but, cage is there, gotta fill. i expect there will be inhabitants.
BingoBoingo hoping and preparing to act along the same lines
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ha, congrats! honestly, by the sound of it, once you got moving, you found everything needed!
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946115 - hopefully he has already a job by the time I get to move anything; I still work full time for s.mg and I fully intend to get eulora off the ground.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 13:21:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean.
asciilifeform presently puzzling over where to get exchange rate for pricing; prolly will have to lift from BingoBoingo's auctions, for so long as they're happening with reasonable regularity .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:13:44 asciilifeform: still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra .
asciilifeform: mod6: lemme know if you want that box of yours housed here, i'ma gpg the postage addr.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: GPG'ing will probably be under an hour. Then uploading will take time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's gzipping at the moment. Prolly a few more hours until done baking.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:42 asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje lobbes: The comment thing is going to take some digging. Will probably end up pressing mp-wp again.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: likely mine will be the 1st to stand up for service, then. but imho really oughta have multiple people willing to do these, otherwise 'fall into sin' and 'whole generalstaff in 1 trench' again .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you, that might be useful indeed; it does seem to me that I might not really have many choices other than picking at least a dc within short distance and getting space there + searching them thoroughly for some human; but atm I'm under such a pile of work on all directions that it's not going to happen tomorrow or next week yet.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:45:03 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946023 << fwiw, none of this is anything like that. 100% insane czech 1990s internet over here, i can't comprehend wtf they are doing. then again, the road south is about 50% "men at work" holes by mass (looks like they're making it 3-lane), so i guess once they're done with that maybe they build their comms infrastructure too ? pretty ridoinculous situation tbh.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946050 << there will be a set of 'din rails' for expandable-on-demand, properly ventilated rk plant. already purchased .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945992 << "force majeure" does not apply to events ordinary in the course of business.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946072 << the derps will prolly try to argue that 'extraordinary ddos' at which pt BingoBoingo will pull out those garbage charts they sent in.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:12 mp_en_viaje: b) it is unlikely any lawyer you don't previously know will treat this as anything but a meal ticket. much like usg doctors don't treat the underlying condition in the sense of getting rid of it, but treat it as a cash cow, in the sense of maximizing their own income from it, the whole fucking point of knowing lawyers ~prior~ to needing them rather than once you need them like the retail-buying schmuck is so as to be able to authoritatively answer
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946065 << exactly. gotta make the attempt, BingoBoingo, mod6 .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:01:02 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, traditional method is people buy the shell of co with reg and naught else.
asciilifeform: currently seems like the method mp mentioned is the only way to weasel out of the massive 'yearly maintenance' extortions, there.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946045 << i entirely buy the argument. and will also buy ip -- when either asciilifeform figures out how to do it for 'toyota' rather than 'boeing' budget, or -- larger budget ;
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:58 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946013 << php is perfectly fine. there should be a counter somewhere keeping a "max disk size" setting, an inventory of total bytesize, and that deletes oldest-first when the former exceeds the latter.
lobbes: but I think I forgot to re-apply the later hanbot patch for html in comments. Possib. BingoBoingo also forgot.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946083 << hmm, when I did my recent blog resurrection I used hanbot's mp-wp genesis
mp_en_viaje: in today's keks : hey lobbes, if i try to add "/me nods along benevolently." as a comment it says "stale page", but if i remove the leading slash it doesn't anymore
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946023 << fwiw, none of this is anything like that. 100% insane czech 1990s internet over here, i can't comprehend wtf they are doing. then again, the road south is about 50% "men at work" holes by mass (looks like they're making it 3-lane), so i guess once they're done with that maybe they build their comms infrastructure too ? pretty ridoinculous situation tbh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 20:49:54 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's spitting of the files, do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946013 << php is perfectly fine. there should be a counter somewhere keeping a "max disk size" setting, an inventory of total bytesize, and that deletes oldest-first when the former exceeds the latter.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 15:06:03 BingoBoingo: And whatever "Force Majure" they try to claim with respect to internet weather can't indemnify them against their agents saying stupid and dishonest things.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945992 << "force majeure" does not apply to events ordinary in the course of business.
mp_en_viaje: needless to say, the sum doesn't need to be exact, it needs to be ~defensible~, by the empire's specifically typical "nobody could accuse me" omnistandard. wink wink.
mp_en_viaje: we/?b=Part%20II&e=sures#select (certainly inasmuch there's no fee).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 20:41:09 mp_en_viaje: and, i suppose, file a complaint for theft with your local police station, listing what you recall of what they made off with "and others", and whatever, $10k or w/e the aggregate cost fairly was.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 15:01:31 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking something like: I propose we mutually end this contract. Here's a draft termination agreement for your consideration: [very basic mutual termination letter notably omitting any waiver holding them harmless for their breaches while including a waiver of all claims they may have/invent against me] and ask them what language and terms they want to include in the agreement to avoid "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945985 << alternatively, go to police station, file simple theft compaint, as per http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944983 and let them figure it out ; it'll be something a lot like http://trilema.com/2019/how-the-good-folk-at-kj%C3%B8lberggata-29b-0653-oslo-norway-dba-variously-as-central-city-apartments-kampenhotellno-reise-byra-bala-suman-balasundaram-etcetera-attempt-to-scam-me-
mp_en_viaje: in any case, the universal basic wisdom of people interacting with the empire of stupid, from old us army hands to the days samuel pepys was tryna get a navy going / mind the business of his lord sandwich (not that one, another one) is -- put things in there to have what to cut off. why exactly
mp_en_viaje: the fact that you don't "close the contract cleanly" is a cost to them and them alone, it affects you exactly not at all. let them pay for the service if they wish to have the service -- says the man who'd bill the US congress appearance fees to testify before it, like any other TV network.
mp_en_viaje: c) you're thinking too cleanly, which is adequate for republican work but inadequate to interfacing work (a point somewhat reminescent of this php discussion). it's the empire of shit for a reason, let it have it.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno if i make myself clear on this fucking obvious score, because it's never easy to guess when the obvious has been belaboured enough for they for whom it wasn't, somehow, obvious -- but please ask q's qs.
mp_en_viaje: re the above, "no he won't".
mp_en_viaje: b) it is unlikely any lawyer you don't previously know will treat this as anything but a meal ticket. much like usg doctors don't treat the underlying condition in the sense of getting rid of it, but treat it as a cash cow, in the sense of maximizing their own income from it, the whole fucking point of knowing lawyers ~prior~ to needing them rather than once you need them like the retail-buying schmuck is so as to be able to authoritatively answer
mp_en_viaje: n there.
mp_en_viaje: though it's thoroughly fucked that erstwhile "richest country in the world", they're not ordinary, kyle, and none of this can't possibly be happening to them, and surely if they just close their eyes harder and wish stronger-er the cock's going away, believe. girlihood problems. also, uruguay poor, as a 2nd consideratio
mp_en_viaje: death than go on their knees begging.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:37:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect it is possible to get serious damages outta the latech corpse. but if you botch this basic step entirely, i expect uy will become a very hot bath for BingoBoingo .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945974 << practically : a) they may offer a little for you to go away, but this is unlikely because, principally, ustarded 3-ring binder "corporation" bullshit ; as evinced many other places, usgtarded precious cuntlets (which is 100% what usgistani "corporations" are anymore, since they started hiring the stupid cunts, and then gave "hr" and "corporate" bla bla over to them) would rather starve to
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:27:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking I propose we sign some text to end the contract by mutual consent, this leaves open the opportunity to pursue damages for the breaches unless they start negotiating some compensation. At this point though I'm inclined to just get the stitches attaching my scrotum to them cut, but if you really want me to pursue damages I can try that but it will require as MP pointed out... time in to Uruguay to continue
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945965 << i would suggest you ask for money. you really have ~0 incentive to let them walk. you don't have to pursue anything specifically for this, either.
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker, it ate my last line. sorry, my internet is so shitty ima have to go into async mode here. offline block below :
mp_en_viaje: the "oh, we're about to replace ye olde internet anyways" works as an argument against TRYING TO CORNER THE MARKET. that's a very different thing, you might say "i don't intend to own a quarter of all ips because tmsr's gonna replace the dumb shit anyways".
mp_en_viaje: very similarily, to be person must have a few senators, a few houses, a few cars, a few women etc etc. either you have a few of all the kinds of things that exist or you're not a person.
mp_en_viaje: you gotta have some of everything to be. this is the bar. as a schoolchild in sovok, gotta have a slingshot, and a tube for shooting paper cone things, and i dunno, a depeche mode casette tape or w/e the fuck you faggots did back in the day.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I do have the original .tar.gz.gpg files, yes. Also have a server now.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945947 << the idea wasn't that it's "like bitcoin" functionally, ie, works the same way. the idea was that it's like bitcoin substantially, ie, IS the same thing.
mp_en_viaje: jeez, spent the night with a bottle and a gaggle o' sluts at the strip club, slept for a few hours and i'm like... up.
trinque: do you have the originals in case someone wakes up after I delete?
trinque: BingoBoingo: looks like anyone that cared grabbed their backup from me already.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: the archive.is (http://archive.is/GONGW) link in the above Qntra goes to a "not found" (at least on my end)
BingoBoingo: In other local news court issued a restraing order against the outgoing President and his cabinet forbidding their continued use of the Presidential web to spread election propaganda.
asciilifeform reserving 3 whole u for rk (up to 48 will fit...) in experimental cage. and folx encouraged to install e.g. 'bouncers' -- the sooner find out what kinda flood this thing will eat, the better imho
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's spitting of the files, do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must?
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ << bvt hanbot nicoleci peterl Please note that anyserver is not the place to put IRC bouncers
mod6: Which, may be useful to have representation for such a discussion with the tards.
mod6: I feel like the best we can hope for here is to tear up the remaining part of the contract, which, iirc, continues through the end of Feb. 2020.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 not yet spoken, but asciilifeform 100% opposes any further movement of any kinda moneys ~into~ latech from piggy , on any pretext whatsoever. << Yeah, no more money for them.
lobbes: achtung panzers: ^ above vpatch for debugger toggle only. (No pressing need to update your bot.py right now unless you plan to debug it in the near future.)
BingoBoingo: The defensive reply from Friday suggests that is all. The man the put in charge of communicating with me has been neither candid nor honest. They also had the great misfortune of my walking in last Monday to see servers cooking, an incident that indicates they are not in fact running a datacenter by any recognized standard.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if that's genuinely ~errything~ they've going for'em, then BingoBoingo oughta win.
BingoBoingo: They seem to be counting on resignation and illiteracy.
asciilifeform: this is where i admit that i've nfi what sorta judges, etc. in that orcistan, and what e.g. latech is counting on when goes around scamming BingoBoingos. ( inaction of victim ? or connivance of judge ? or what is their krysha ? etc )
BingoBoingo: The civil and commercial codes were produced in a time when this country still had men and read thusly.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If this were a truly lawless orcistan there'd be more pichis squatting in poured concrete structures and less camping outdoors
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd imagine so; but given mp's reminder that 'yer in a ~lawless orcistan' ' what asciilifeform imagines ' aint worth the electrons, i suspect
BingoBoingo: And whatever "Force Majure" they try to claim with respect to internet weather can't indemnify them against their agents saying stupid and dishonest things.
BingoBoingo: But they can sweat a few more days.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 21:49:27 BingoBoingo: The remaining months of the contract, if they'd performed would have grossed for them maybe enough for them to get an ancient VW "Kombi" in the local automotive market that may or may not run. Maxi's "we want to work in an amicable way to finish this contract" sounds a lot like they want to say "please pay us to term even though we have become non-performant" while at the same time betraying the lack of balls and/or justification for
BingoBoingo: -11#1944982][pursue the matter through the legal system, so as to bring you as close to never being able to perpetuate such in the future as at all possible]"
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking something like: I propose we mutually end this contract. Here's a draft termination agreement for your consideration: [very basic mutual termination letter notably omitting any waiver holding them harmless for their breaches while including a waiver of all claims they may have/invent against me] and ask them what language and terms they want to include in the agreement to avoid "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10
asciilifeform: the piggy aint the only resource, btw, being wasted, if there's 0 chance of a win, there is also BingoBoingo's time .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm 100% in favour, ftr, of suit. but before can use the piggy , must get prelim data and for mod6 to concur .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 21:50:30 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nah, it reads like "legal told us we'll prolly end up paying through the nose and we told them we know better an' now gonna prove it! PEOPLE DO ANYTHING WE TELL THEM TO!!!"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944995 << I informed then in writing that they are in breach. Maxi's weasle response and their silence suggests they are aware expecting to receive notice of a suit.
asciilifeform: mod6 not yet spoken, but asciilifeform 100% opposes any further movement of any kinda moneys ~into~ latech from piggy , on any pretext whatsoever.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect it is possible to get serious damages outta the latech corpse. but if you botch this basic step entirely, i expect uy will become a very hot bath for BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've got a small pile of contact information to churn through. Challenge so far has been carving out concrete time to take conversations further than gathering contacts.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They have been silent, presumably sweating since Friday.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The one affiliated with the accountant has been busy with some sort of other litigation, and cleaning up the other things has slowed the search for alternatives.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you were gonna get an estimate from the abogato, neh ? re feasibility/times/costs.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking I propose we sign some text to end the contract by mutual consent, this leaves open the opportunity to pursue damages for the breaches unless they start negotiating some compensation. At this point though I'm inclined to just get the stitches attaching my scrotum to them cut, but if you really want me to pursue damages I can try that but it will require as MP pointed out... time in to Uruguay to continue
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not essential, then will put standard asciilifeform-rk kernel , and correct if necessary.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Getting the sd will require re-opening the conversation with the Latecho folks.
asciilifeform: in re 'when' : if coloco folx told the troof re 'key on friday', i expect oughta have this in by mon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: copy the sd also ( they oughta be standard, but iirc diana_coman may have modded the kernel, and i'd like it carried over guaranteed )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform diana_coman: Aite, I'll put it on the list.
asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: an exact image copy of my piz rk would be great (saving the reinstall of all sorts)
asciilifeform: will guarantee that will cost less than previously, however. they dun need to be flown across whole planet anymoar..
asciilifeform still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd like an exact image copy of your old rk, we can work with BingoBoingo , could gpg . otherwise will be 'virginal' as described in my 'gentoo for rk' cookbook.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you mentioned rk ; i've prepared an rk for you, using same type of ssd as prev. lemme know if you want a different type. it will be installed as soon as i get keyz to the magick door and have the entrance router configged (it arrives, loox like, on fri. also)
asciilifeform: 'Officially, companies are not allowed to sell their IP addresses but in practice that rule is widely flouted by peddling them through brokers and then putting a transfer through ARIN's systems. ARIN is, of course, aware of the black market in addresses, but decided, after long debate, not to change the fundamental way it distributes and shifts them. It does, however, scrutinize transfers, and in this case an error in one of Golestan
asciilifeform: then again asciilifeform was told 'fee went up very recently', will have to investigate.
asciilifeform: 'Despite their current market value of between $13 and $19 per IP addresses, ARIN continues to provide IP addresses to its "members" for no direct cost, a holdover from the early days of the internet when IP allocation was literally a free-for-all. Depending on the size of a company, you pay ARIN an annual membership fee that starts at just $250. Members then pay between $100 and $500 for an address block with an annual maintenance f
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:35:35 BingoBoingo: Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/
asciilifeform: ( i.e. similar to what kept the 'swift' organization pretending to neutrality, until recent yrs , as i understand it )
asciilifeform: the 1 thing, i suspect, that keeps the show going, is the reich's desire to prevent e.g. ru, cn, from forming own 'arin' and properly splitting off.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945916 << this is approx what asciilifeform expected ( wai would 1 usg committee be magically different from others in this respect )
BingoBoingo: Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/
BingoBoingo: I'll probably see what the 12 ouncer I flew in does outa curiosity.
mp_en_viaje: it's like the whole country's on dial-up, howthe fuck could they botch comms so badly these people.
mp_en_viaje: in other horrors, i'm sitting here watching this other box literally cycle through interfaces. NOTHING WORKS. every 3-5 mins, reconnects to somethingelse.
mp_en_viaje: cheap and easy, why bother with complex
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty, making sand with a 5lb hammer sounds like the right thing. Also fun.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i have the whole thing somewhere, could fish it out and upload if you want.
mp_en_viaje: The NSF has never had a cooperative agreement, or any other agreement, with ARIN or any other similarly situated entity. In short, NSF does not believe that ARIN, or for that matter any other organization, could retroactively affect property and rights distributed to you (or any other recipient) by awardee NSI under its Cooperative Agreement with the National Science Foundation.
mp_en_viaje: item in question (from NSF General Counsel Lawrence Rudolph ) : NSF transferred a Âthing of value to the awardee under the NSF-NSI Cooperative Agreement, and that awardee in turn gave it to you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:06:29 asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945906 << i don't specifically know ; there's precedent saying old owners actually own the numbers in question which so far has been upheld
asciilifeform: ...fwiw i've never 1nce heard of anyone other than landlord ( either at behest of officious snoops or on own initiative ) pinching a racked box.
asciilifeform: here they even had 'face reader' etc. stage props. i did not find it interesting, considering who it is who actually steals boxes in practice, none of these do a lick of good (or harm, really) afaik.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945892 << here btw also 'tea ceremonies' w/ fingerprint doors etc. they dun even need 'severed hand', there's a well-documented process using piece of sausage and gelatin etc. it's a theatrical furniture, these .
asciilifeform: ( cuz if not : where do their auction-block ips come from ? i was told 'ipv4 is full' etc )
asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
mp_en_viaje: yeah, there's no rush.
asciilifeform: ( even if i'd dropped immediately that 6k on the table, apparently takes weeks, rather than 'RIGHT NAO' , so will have to start with certain # of plebian leased ips . )
mp_en_viaje: leave your mark in this world. kill some of the boys born the same as year as you. hurt some of the girls. make a dent.
asciilifeform: it's defo worth having. and i'd like to buy a quantity, but 1st to investigate whether even possible w/out selling organs.
mp_en_viaje: hence the 0-1 bitcoin comparison.
mp_en_viaje: the one point i'm making here is that this is worth having if one's serious about their own ontology.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to be how 'coloco' acquired their.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, traditional method is people buy the shell of co with reg and naught else.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to get the word from horse's mouth tho, and haggle directly.
mp_en_viaje: but i suspect this discussion is a lot like "is bitcoin worth it". if you can get one, in the sense of, yours, you want one. if you already have one not necessarily, but if you already have 0 then yes necessarily.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 10:20:58 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 600gbp for Gb/s and full tower is only 1.5x what 'coloco' asks for same. probably inescapable given the expense of errything brit, and not necessarily bad deal if it's a cage that can get to with own hands. may be worth 2nd look
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely so. and i'ma chronicle the thing properly, get the photo-shy people into the photos if at all possible.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i was fwiw shown a room fulla round-the-clock fiddlers who supposedly handle ddos.
diana_coman: the one hotel in prague? lolz
mp_en_viaje: in other news, ima spend the long weekend in budapest, after which ill be in prague all next week, if someone feels like dropping by the hotel's on me.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho. i can always 'un-advertise''em laters, if the thing's a dud.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, good for you. and bear it in mind, you know ? there's nothing you can possibly say you'll regret later. the regrets always from not saying.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fair cop btw. i amended the article.
asciilifeform: that sounds peculiarly costly. do these at least come with Gb/s ?
diana_coman: fwiw data centres here will rent lockable quarter/half/full racks from ~240, 350, 600 gbp, respectively; the saddest part being anyway the fact that they are still all quite same regimented style otherwise as far as I can see.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: this is why I said invite them to irc rather than directly ask them to register key, lol; but sure, it's your show entirely
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fully intend to attempt to turn the 2 into 'people' (vs 'horse') but would like to avoid having'em stampede away immediately like your various vendors galloped. ( will just as readily 'ride as horse' if must, the bloody rack is so cheap as 'almost free', i've been paying almost half of that sum for the retarded hoster where my www is currently )
diana_coman: ha; so invite him to come on irc too, in #a or in #o if you prefer, what's the problem
asciilifeform: diana_coman: friday. and right, i expect he'll be in civ clothes.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why not invite the main contact to meet in town out of office hours, what
asciilifeform: ( they were in branded livery )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma ask the crew if they'd like to be personally pictured in the next phototour, also. they had some strange fixation re 'if you sublease space, plz dun use our brand', so left'em out of the pic.
asciilifeform: i'ma amend the article.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw yes, reading it I had this moment "wtf doesn't he name them" but no, I don't *always* shout, lol.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i read it, it was on acct of both 'not yet key' and 'not yet known whether worx'
diana_coman: ie no identity, not "not enough testing"; and I promptly added their name as soon as maxim registered the key.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945831 - uhm, let me cite from footnote 1: "I can't really give their name since they don't yet have an identity really, seeing how they don't have anybody with a registered key"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:46:56 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945767 << i would like you to get all the disparate c blocks he's willing to sell you ; and to stop being what you call "conservative" and which only can be called being an idiot.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:43:50 mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945811 << unlike piz, i'ma not only cultivate this 1 fella, and personally, but intend to find a hot spare. cuz they actually exist. and yes will chronicle how unearthed. atm occupied w/ actually having what to go in that 1st cage when it goes live.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:37:03 mp_en_viaje: you mentioned them. TWICE -- once because ~they were important enough to show~ and then ONCE MORE to excuse the not showing. just how fucked in the head are you, srsly.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945804 << i'ma be goin' there ~daily in short order, will have all the photographies and minute-by-minute writeups anyone can stomach. atm trying to actually equip the cage, remember that it has to be done w/ hands, and the irons purchased. i dun have slaves to do it.
asciilifeform: think, suppose i brag about 'ooh i leased a rack, such great doors and coffees' and then week later not plugged in. or entirely scamola.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:25:30 mp_en_viaje: listen to this inept shit : "Currently I will not mention the vendor by name here, as I do not yet know the quality of the service"
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, ~all of the czech republic has a massive connectivity issue ; no fucking internet in prague's worth the mention, my remote-over-telco links are just as bad because it's not tcp/ip level but actually telco level, and for some reason satcover here is shit right no
mp_en_viaje: TWO valets, WITH tits. a standard never before deployed in the history of feudalism. a duke might, MAYBE, get two pages, but that'd be just about it.
mp_en_viaje: so im sitting there in the buffet breakfast area, with two girls standing on either side ready to serve, enjoying my tomcat perch, shooting gazes at all the other dudes, "oh, joe, no suit ?" "oh moe, where's YOUR slavegirls ?" until everyone's just eating with their head bent to the degree their face and their egg are contiguous media.
mp_en_viaje: o no wait, i mean, ima go check the third decimal of my laser-temperature measurer, if it happens to be nine ima go walk up and down the hallway for exactly 4 minutes 44 seconds, if i count exactly 395 paces THEN ima tqake the sluts for breakfast.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, ima take the sluts for breakfast.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945774 << that's ok, my prague hotel across the street from radio free europe / radio liberty / etc hq
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:12:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945767 << i would like you to get all the disparate c blocks he's willing to sell you ; and to stop being what you call "conservative" and which only can be called being an idiot.
mp_en_viaje: gotta wait for hilary's second coming first, and THEN
mp_en_viaje: because why the fuck like some man you meet or buy a steak for some man you like or anything in the vein of life.
mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 22:58:52 asciilifeform: nao, i do not yet know whether these people are Officially 'ixp'. but appears that serve a similar function, several regional isp are tied together there, and they can process bgpism, service client-owned ip real estate etc
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 21:57:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945732 << fire makes too much fumes. srsly now, hammer one for your information, then see.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 21:47:28 BingoBoingo: trinque: As it stands the plan is destructively decap and then abrade chips before hammering.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945725 << fwiw i had dozens of sticks hammered into inexistence. you want a 3-5kg hammer, the first 2-3 hits expose the chips no matter what, the plasticovers fly like insect elitrae. then the chips become dust in 2-3 more hits, can count 3-5 sticks dead / minute in qualified hammerer hands.
mp_en_viaje: you mentioned them. TWICE -- once because ~they were important enough to show~ and then ONCE MORE to excuse the not showing. just how fucked in the head are you, srsly.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 19:19:48 asciilifeform: ^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods.
mp_en_viaje: it is important because look at all the fucking morons who apparent;y can't do it. etcetera, stop hanging everything on unrelated nothing, it's the death of you.
mp_en_viaje: i would be much surprised if indeed a full ONE PERCENT of the dependencies you perceive/imagine/hallucinate are actual bona fide legitimate dependencies. you live your life in the http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ style ; naming some outfit doesn't depend on whether they're good, it depends on whether they're important, which they are already since you drove there. explaining what you did and why you did
mp_en_viaje: i lose nothing for http://trilema.com/2019/how-germany-got-itself-banned-and-western-europe-altogether-isnt-all-that-far-behind/?b=Ram&e=cunts#select ; you lose the world for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3478#selection-5.65-5.166
mp_en_viaje: put the damn name in there, if nothing else it'll help you evaluate them. put everything in there. all the time. IT IS WHAT IT IS FOR.