(trilema) mike_c: it is a countermeasure for rectothermal cryptoanalysis.
(trilema) mike_c: even better.
(trilema) mike_c: open a textbook and pick your favourite... << or wait a month and disassemble a cardano.
(trilema) mike_c: oh, of course. you have access to cardano guts :)
(trilema) mike_c: ah
(trilema) mike_c: or, what do you recommend?
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: what do you use to generate your wallet?
(trilema) mike_c: ;;ident MGK
(trilema) mike_c: leprechauns?
(trilema) mike_c: true. plus my time limit for fun is up.
(trilema) mike_c: this looks promising: https://trilema.com:2083/
(trilema) mike_c: well, trilema moved the login page. that's better than bitcoin-assets :)
(trilema) mike_c: an article with butts in the title and no pictures of butts..
(trilema) mike_c: net net: bitbet has 3000 in assets and 1700 in liabilities?
(trilema) mike_c: always nice.
(trilema) mike_c: so extra bonus for doing the research, you learned some more python.
(trilema) mike_c: ah. well, for future reference: import json; json.loads(data) will give you a python dict with all the info.
(trilema) mike_c: parsing is more fun? ;)
(trilema) mike_c: ooh, you know bitbet serves up json?
(trilema) mike_c: impressive though, bitbet holding 3000 btc in bets.
(trilema) mike_c: and maybe filter out the 0's?
(trilema) mike_c: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-W9AJJ__uOe4/UJlkWBj67LI/AAAAAAAAFAo/mhR743zFylY/s1600/shenanigans.jpg
(trilema) mike_c: mutiny!
(trilema) mike_c: who's on the board of b-a? we need to out-vote the chairman.
(trilema) mike_c: sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D
(trilema) mike_c: holy part spam batman. kakobrekla: mjr1 & mjr2 have been join/quitting constantly for hours..
(trilema) mike_c: well if you understand it you should write a post. it's quite something.
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, luckily i showed up after the dice bubble and before the acquisition :)
(trilema) mike_c: step 3) ?? step 4) profit!
(trilema) mike_c: step 1) turn off 70% of revenue. step 2) stock goes up 20%.
(trilema) mike_c: unbelievable. i would write a blog post on this if i understood it at all.
(trilema) mike_c: !last s.mpoe
(trilema) mike_c: he must not have agreed to the banker suicide pact.
(trilema) mike_c: nice
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla: ah, cool about the leverage. is there a delay on it?
(trilema) mike_c: at least someone is commenting.
(trilema) mike_c: awesome!
(trilema) mike_c: i was a big admirer of philip greenspun. i attended one of arsdigita's classes in boston. reading that article makes me sick.
(trilema) mike_c: looks like neobeeq has settled in at a 93% drop from suspended price. another win for havelock.
(trilema) mike_c: ~ 4.5k
(trilema) mike_c: so expected would only be 4k profit
(trilema) mike_c: last three months, 425k wagered.
(trilema) mike_c: yeah. but since then it has largely tracked expected returns
(trilema) mike_c: it is heavily skewed by nakowa, the huge lucky bettor.
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, could be. it's just not interesting enough to hold people's attention. customer churn is higher than new customer acquisition.
(trilema) mike_c: not sure what to make of it.
(trilema) mike_c: dooglus seems like a very standup guy.
(trilema) mike_c: maybe people are bored of rolling dice.
(trilema) mike_c: thx. hopefully not a good btc investment headed for the crapper.
(trilema) mike_c: and for those sans javascript: http://i.imgur.com/6zFGjFP.png
(trilema) mike_c: February was JD's lowest ever monthly wagered volume. Until March when it dropped another 40%.
(trilema) mike_c: thx
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla: -trades is unfiltered, right? small trades get through?
(trilema) mike_c: goxbux got traded for a little while.
(trilema) mike_c: which seemed like an odd reason.
(trilema) mike_c: havelock said they relisted it because they haven't heard anything from neobee.
(trilema) mike_c: buy side is picking up cheap lotto tickets. sell side doesn't want to have to see those shares on their balance sheet anymore.
(trilema) mike_c: for which you will go to hell
(trilema) mike_c: do not question the tupperware
(trilema) mike_c: the true word of God was handed down to Joseph Smith on some golden tupperware in 1822
(trilema) mike_c: we're capitalizing Evil now too? :D
(trilema) mike_c: made a killing for funerals.
(trilema) mike_c: great tips.
(trilema) mike_c: i was even an altar boy. i'm more catholic than you are.
(trilema) mike_c: i'm not leaving! you can't make me either. sorry, you're stuck with me.
(trilema) mike_c: i am a damned heretic catholic. i have not been ex-communicated.
(trilema) mike_c: i'm catholic, like it or not.
(trilema) mike_c: incorrect. i was baptized, confirmed.
(trilema) mike_c: no, you don't. where do you get this crap?
(trilema) mike_c: the church says it
(trilema) mike_c: as a matter of fact i don't believe any of this crap and am still a catholic
(trilema) mike_c: i don't believe it, i was baptized, i am a catholic
(trilema) mike_c: hah, incorrect
(trilema) mike_c: "Baptism does not exist to wipe away the "stain" of original sin, but to initiate one into the Church,"
(trilema) mike_c: yeswai
(trilema) mike_c: i have 10 years of catholic school. bring it.
(trilema) mike_c: no, they don't. god told me
(trilema) mike_c: that's not entirely true jurov. unbaptized babies dont go to hell
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc (187956 - 12972) / 187956
(trilema) mike_c: nah, wasn't me
(trilema) mike_c: what a bloodbath..
(trilema) mike_c: first trades, 1 satoshi!
(trilema) mike_c: luke must use firefox
(trilema) mike_c: i'm waiting for one of you to forget to capitalize a name or pronoun here and go straight to hell.
(trilema) mike_c: plus Jesus himself explicitly founded the catholic church with Peter as pope, so there's that.
(trilema) mike_c: paging cmyers for a three way deathmatch
(trilema) mike_c: i didn't think you could post a comment without JS on mine, but looks like you can. nevermind, your reputation is secure.
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: aw, i know you use JS. you've been on my site :)
(trilema) mike_c: 30 minutes to the opening bell
(trilema) mike_c: how long? 12, 13 hours?
(trilema) mike_c: pls stop setting the bar so high.
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla props. bitbet works amazingly well with javascript turned off.
(trilema) mike_c: and the goat suspension of 2014. cog is trading again too
(trilema) mike_c: not for two hours. anticipation!
(trilema) mike_c: they changed the symbol
(trilema) mike_c: !t h neobeeq
(trilema) mike_c: lol. maybe they can get ver to convert
(trilema) mike_c: no, you are not saying it makes sense. but you are saying that it would make sense if we were god's slaves. there may be other explanations, but that is one possibility that makes sense. i'm pretty sure you said that.
(trilema) mike_c: ok. so you are saying that chapter in genesis makes sense if we are god's slaves. i can accept that.
(trilema) mike_c: hm.
(trilema) mike_c: i am aware there is a distinction.
(trilema) mike_c: but you do those things for a reason. so unless god had a reason, the parallel is not there. i can not imagine what you are saying god's reason is.
(trilema) mike_c: what are you saying.
(trilema) mike_c: ok socrates, help me out :)
(trilema) mike_c: well, then you are saying the slave is doing something useful. what are we doing that is useful for god?
(trilema) mike_c: so god is just fucking with us so he can play out a power trip. hm.
(trilema) mike_c: readily? hardly. powerful and knowledgable is not omnipotent and omniscient.
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: yes, humans (not omnipotent, not omniscient) do things like this.
(trilema) mike_c: i'm out.
(trilema) mike_c: sorry sorry.
(trilema) mike_c: 1) He made eve eat the apple. 2) He knew who told eve she was nekked. 3) He had a conversation about it with her anyway, already knowing the answers, the outcome of the conversation, and everything that would happen before and after.
(trilema) mike_c: DON'T YOU SEE THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
(trilema) mike_c: he's just asking random questions for no reason because he already knew and he made eve do it anyway?
(trilema) mike_c: oh geez. biblical determinism. then why did god ask who told they were nekked??
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: then why did God ask the question?
(trilema) mike_c: lilith and eve were in the garden at the same time? sucks for adam.
(trilema) mike_c: who else was talking at the time?
(trilema) mike_c: no discussing the bible?
(trilema) mike_c: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked?" << well who do you think it was?
(trilema) mike_c: you eviscerated him much quicker than i could have.
(trilema) mike_c: words. meaning. what do you "believe" about it.
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: that is impossible as much of it is contradictory.
(trilema) mike_c: well, i am eager to hear about it! not sure how one profits without a counterparty taking the loss.
(trilema) mike_c: have you thought through how to avoid the problems it had?
(trilema) mike_c: khersonus: you are familiar with MPOE?
(trilema) mike_c: is it a secret something?
(trilema) mike_c: pLambert: he's just finishing up the neobee acquisition before releasing the march report :)
(trilema) mike_c: you can ask jurov how it's worked out for coinbr in practice.
(trilema) mike_c: khersonus: coinbr uses it.
(trilema) mike_c: s.mg report coming soon?
(trilema) mike_c: the press gets it right for once
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. i love how they characterize them :) "Cyprus-based bitcoin marketers Neo & Bee "
(trilema) mike_c: awesome. i don't remember the commands though :)
(trilema) mike_c: (obligatory note to my wife - just kidding!)
(trilema) mike_c: whoa, spot on!
(trilema) mike_c: i don't get that. must be a personalized result
(trilema) mike_c: if we == forum_users: print "yes"
(trilema) mike_c: even still. with miners the pre-orderers are actually losing money every day it is late.
(trilema) mike_c: plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped
(trilema) mike_c: exactly :) the provider wasn't confident.
(trilema) mike_c: of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam"
(trilema) mike_c: bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG!
(trilema) mike_c: i remember that, i'll dig it up. thanks.
(trilema) mike_c: sorry, a specific set of keys
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?
(trilema) mike_c: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com neobee
(trilema) mike_c: google indexes the logs. i search them all the time
(trilema) mike_c: ;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.
(trilema) mike_c: rithm: google is learning from mpex :) more non-voting shares!
(trilema) mike_c: heh. awesome
(trilema) mike_c: does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.
(trilema) mike_c: some hold up though.
(trilema) mike_c: <kakobrekla> ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings". here's one way.
(trilema) mike_c: interlocking candy is pretty cool
(trilema) mike_c: 3d print your candy
(trilema) mike_c: for you 3d printing nerds:
(trilema) mike_c: no reason cardano wouldn't be susceptible to that is there?
(trilema) mike_c: their faces would glow in the dark
(trilema) mike_c: yeah :)
(trilema) mike_c: and applying makeup to their soldiers
(trilema) mike_c: north korea isn't good at anything except extorting money from the us.
(trilema) mike_c: um, which korea?
(trilema) mike_c: countering congress is easy. ask j edgar
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, i hope you are right (i am in on that bet).
(trilema) mike_c: <mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ << i agree, but a lot of volatility right now. it could bounce below.
(trilema) mike_c: how can i airgap my web server?
(trilema) mike_c: it's all explained right here. http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=5
(trilema) mike_c: but those are largely recurring tasks, and the fee can be adjusted if one side is unbalanced
(trilema) mike_c: i have contracted out many many tasks on hourly and flat-fee basis. both sides have always been happier with flat fee.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;ticker --market btce
(trilema) mike_c: throw a dart at the mpex security list and invest.
(trilema) mike_c: no. silly question.
(trilema) mike_c: ThickAsThieves: you didn't know anything non-public about their financials?
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla is somehow related
(trilema) mike_c: unless tat tells us
(trilema) mike_c: ;;create bitbet "The dilbert comic from April 2nd will be posted in b-a more than 10 times"
(trilema) mike_c: except miami heat and indiana pacers
(trilema) mike_c: while i'm shilling bitbet, these are outrageously good odds on 'yes'. http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/
(trilema) mike_c: insert money into mouth :) http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
(trilema) mike_c: just tell them to stay away from havelock, it's not hard.
(trilema) mike_c: hah. nice.
(trilema) mike_c: wow
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, i'm wondering the trend. nubbins` has been dealing them for awhile
(trilema) mike_c: how's the market? has the premium over btc moved up or down?
(trilema) mike_c: those things are such a crapshoot. you have to trust the whole chain of people who have ever touched it.
(trilema) mike_c: no reason. keep us on our toes.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. you are full of puzzles lately.
(trilema) mike_c: BingoBoingo: can you wrap that in <pre></pre> ?
(trilema) mike_c: maged: "shut up". PR: "fuck you". maged: "you're banned".
(trilema) mike_c: well, you're skipping the step where you spent x years becoming an expert in your field.
(trilema) mike_c: thanks turbo_ac100!
(trilema) mike_c: just what i needed.. easier access to bitbet. there goes another pile of coins.
(trilema) mike_c: looks good to me
(trilema) mike_c: <os:Image width="16" height="16">data:image/x-icon;base64,AAABAAIAEBAAAAAAIABoBAAAJgAAACAgAAAAACAAqBAAAI4EAAAoAAAAEAAAACAAAAABACAAAAAAAEAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA////Af///wH///8B///$
(trilema) mike_c: i mean this line:
(trilema) mike_c: or rather, it is closed before the 'data' element.
(trilema) mike_c: looks like <os:Image tag is not closed
(trilema) mike_c: "error on line 10 at column 16: Opening and ending tag mismatch: Image line 0 and SearchPlugin"
(trilema) mike_c: i don't know if that was there before :)
(trilema) mike_c: might have worked http://i.imgur.com/WD4R2ZI.png
(trilema) mike_c: it should be here? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?atype=4
(trilema) mike_c: is enron before your time?
(trilema) mike_c: ugh. how old are you guys?
(trilema) mike_c: then this shit won't happen anymore
(trilema) mike_c: we need a trusted auditing company like Arthur Anderson
(trilema) mike_c: he's not kidding.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;gettrust gx
(trilema) mike_c: !t m mpoe
(trilema) mike_c: or by working for mp when it happens.
(trilema) mike_c: to a degree. you still must get in the trenches to really learn.
(trilema) mike_c: it would be better to learn by attaching yourself to someone experienced. this is a bad industry to learn by failure for the reasons already mentioned.
(trilema) mike_c: domsch: that is bs. somebody is in charge.
(trilema) mike_c: it would be better at this stage to attach yourself to a more experienced entrepreneur.
(trilema) mike_c: what will you be?
(trilema) mike_c: getting bought out well above market price is a great deal.
(trilema) mike_c: geez, i am starting to sound like you.
(trilema) mike_c: same as if google sold itself and you owned shares. nobody cares what you want.
(trilema) mike_c: and you have a non-voting share..
(trilema) mike_c: most shares on mpex are non-voting.
(trilema) mike_c: it got sold, shareholders on mpex got paid..
(trilema) mike_c: honey for the scammors. i'll try it again sometime.
(trilema) mike_c: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=SELL&nick=&thing=BTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=¬es= << who you going to buy from on this list besides sturles?
(trilema) mike_c: i guess it's just that the other water sources are filled with sewage, so the ringworm doesn't look so bad.
(trilema) mike_c: ok. yes, i see that point.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: i suppose. i wish -otc were better, but it's not.
(trilema) mike_c: there is a practicality here. i can actually buy bitcoin with coinbase (with no $$ balance). there are extremely limited other ways for me to do that.
(trilema) mike_c: steal my 401k, what the fuck do i care? it's worthless anyway.
(trilema) mike_c: my bitcoinz are not though.
(trilema) mike_c: it's not making bitcoin paypal. once i buy my bitcoin, coinbase is no longer involved.
(trilema) mike_c: how is this different from any other online service?
(trilema) mike_c: yes, so my buys are recorded. what am i going to do? use localbitcoin and buy all my coin on the street corner?
(trilema) mike_c: i like coinbase. i don't have to hold any $$ with them in order to buy btc.
(trilema) mike_c: can he say broken windows a few more times? he doesn't sound dumb enough yet.
(trilema) mike_c: or demo-ed to the sound of thunderous applause
(trilema) mike_c: i mean, either demo-ed before a rapturous audience
(trilema) mike_c: first: bug in the snsa report :D "demo-ed before a rapturous applause"
(trilema) mike_c: they are contracted to maintain a % of ownership
(trilema) mike_c: benkay: owner-shares are not supposed to be tradeable
(trilema) mike_c: what's a wiki with no manuls?
(trilema) mike_c: she can do both at the same time
(trilema) mike_c: maybe mpoe-pr wants to learn accounting
(trilema) mike_c: er, zac
(trilema) mike_c: yeah.. it is not really accurate to call it a nz0 given how many assets it has :)
(trilema) mike_c: i guess the issue is that this is a cash flow statement, and the charge belongs on the balance sheet.
(trilema) mike_c: but now it is more confusing. there is no line item for that charge.