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Mats_cd03: ily benkay
benkay: what is it tonight, Mats_cd03 -- mdma?
Mats_cd03: what are drugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.02006291 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05199999 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05208 = 0.2604 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 669 @ 0.00015314 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00015314 = 0.1531 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mjr_1 dood fix your connection
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00100406 = 27.9129 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05845612 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.11, Best ask: 459.55, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 456.11, 24 hour volume: 5779.76299101, 24 hour low: 450.2, 24 hour high: 464.6, 24 hour vwap: 456.121300051
mircea_popescu: this is getting to be lulzy, for the past however many weeks it's been glued to 450, people keep coming in asking omg why is it dropping!11
mircea_popescu: i guess if you're waiting for it to make you rich and got rent to pay, there's no dropping like stability.
ozbot: Twitter / kim_lesch: Our 1 bdrm flat is listed for ...
mircea_popescu: in other news, us rents now $330 ?!
mircea_popescu: ah nz nm.
cazalla: damn, NZ is expensive
cazalla: i was paying 350 a week here in melbourne (15m from city) for 2 bedroom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00100402 = 5.2711 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i usually pay about 1k a quarter for a 2 bedroom. cause wtf.
mircea_popescu: it's what living space is worth.
cazalla: that might get you a car space here
Mats_cd03: i lived in boston a bit...that would get you half a car space
Mats_cd03: for a few weeks
Rick__: arij is here？
Mats_cd03: cheap compared to manhattan
cazalla: hopefully the ass drops out of the aussie market so i can buy my supernode castle in tasmania cheaper
keonne: mircea_popescu: i got the joke a little late, hence the delayed lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 481 @ 0.00029369 = 0.1413 BTC [-] {5}
keonne: I then started on a path off researching the histoy of the bar mitzvah; and was suitably disgusted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2700 @ 0.00027748 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00100406 = 26.206 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1218 @ 0.00243136 = 2.9614 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00240002 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315895 = 0.1264 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9312 @ 0.00100283 = 9.3384 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00100059 = 19.1613 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26438 @ 0.00100059 = 26.4536 BTC [-]
MisterE: hmm zetacoin
jurov: kakobrekla pls kick mjr1 mjr2
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 294632 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 1719 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 13 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6348294504.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.73495
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0550089 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32859 @ 0.00099931 = 32.8363 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 383 @ 0.00170919 = 0.6546 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 451 @ 0.00084058 = 0.3791 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 547 @ 0.00023273 = 0.1273 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 459.53, vol: 5183.60938032 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 455.335, vol: 10198.46727 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 457.6, vol: 3120.00026501 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 460.02, vol: 31.1161392 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 455.8297, vol: 1758.32270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 465.49125, vol: 1.98585071 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.179874, vol: 33.80007519 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 456.813080552
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000222 = 0.444 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0509899 = 0.4589 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03359017 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i had an idea
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: hows doin?
BingoBoingo: Not bad herbijudlestoids
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03159862 = 0.2528 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00100059 = 10.4061 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.055589 = 0.6115 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Nothing I can think of off the top of my head
herbijudlestoids: any BTCUSD forecasts? :P
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?
chairman_meow: is there another gambling site that I can invest in?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It probably really depends on the customer.
chairman_meow: like just-dice
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
chairman_meow: !bash sudo
chairman_meow: !bash sudo shutdown
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.056005 = 0.28 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: herbijudlestoids, you're still doing market-making in ATC/BTC ?
keonne: mjr for the love of irc learn to screen session
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1532 @ 0.00083772 = 1.2834 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 230 @ 0.000833 = 0.1916 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1295 @ 0.00020544 = 0.266 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 26809 @ 0.00012909 = 3.4608 BTC [-] {40}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013 = 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00014998 = 0.3 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013 = 0.13 BTC [-]
DudeSj: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'DudeSj', with hostmask 'DudeSj!~linux@2600:1004:b106:70a1:a437:14a:7848:9dec', is not identified.
ozbot: Bitcoin Moscow Conference Postponed
Apocalyptic: "the decision to postpone the event was a direct result of a “negative response from government authorities” or more specifically, The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, the FSB"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1002 @ 0.00014521 = 0.1455 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03158902 = 0.4738 BTC [+]
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1697 blocks | Estimated Change: 2.9780% in 11d 10h 20m 40s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7446 @ 0.00099945 = 7.4419 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell wywialm thx for reading. i suspect that both prices and wages are downward rigid. the effect of this will be the necessary checking of egos. hunger will loosen up that rigidity before long. the human competitive streak will soon come out --> renaissance.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: for enlightenment and enjoyment, i picked apart peter vehehes' latest "Annual Letter from the Chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation":
ozbot: Analysis: Annual Letter From Bitcoin Fundation Chairman Peter Vehehes | When Bitcoin Met Pete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0306 = 0.153 BTC [-]
bounce: looks like a typo in the guy's surname
jurov: hehehehe
bitcoinpete: ;;google trilema vehehes
gribble: Recapitulatio pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/recapitulatio/>; In re noobs and conventions pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/in-re-noobs-and-conventions/>
jurov: not typo, it's explained in footnote
Apocalyptic: Vehehes, that's priceless
bitcoinpete: i was using "vehaha", then saw that mp had already played on it, so i adopted his for the sake of continuity
jurov: mocking shall be consistent :D
bitcoinpete: it's stronger that way
bitcoinpete: “We believe that all of the expenses the SEC was complaining of were permitted by the limited partnership agreements and Delaware law,” said Aegis Frumento, a partner at Stern Tannenbaum & Bell LLP in New York, who represents Brittenham and the firm. “We have every confidence at the end of the day that these charges will not be found to have been fraudulent under the Investors Advisers Act.”
ozbot: Bogus Private-Equity Fees Said Found at 200 Firms in SEC Review - Businessweek
bitcoinpete: the sec can't even nail down fiat businesses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05502007 = 0.5502 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05511111 = 0.5511 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 160 @ 0.05500347 = 8.8006 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00100163 = 27.4447 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01710001 = 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0509899 = 0.102 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: merr
ozbot: CEO Of Liechtenstein Bank Frick Murdered In Broad Daylight | Zero Hedge
mike_c: he must not have agreed to the banker suicide pact.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05110081 = 0.511 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: that's why they pay themselves bonuses for hazardous working conditions
Apocalyptic: jurov has it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00554114 = 0.3934 BTC [-] {6}
Mats_cd03: all of the consumer versions of quadcopters suck balls
Mats_cd03: if you build a decent consumer quadcopter with challenge and response i will be your first customer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05677298 = 0.2271 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05677308 = 0.2839 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: mpoe takes it down
ozbot: BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05110006 = 0.7665 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: !last s.mpoe
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
mike_c: unbelievable. i would write a blog post on this if i understood it at all.
jurov: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00100163 BTC [+]
mike_c: step 1) turn off 70% of revenue. step 2) stock goes up 20%.
mike_c: step 3) ?? step 4) profit!
jurov: you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid
jurov: every month
KRS-1: step 5) beat off to some .bait step 6) take a shit
mike_c: yeah, luckily i showed up after the dice bubble and before the acquisition :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1205 @ 0.00100511 = 1.2112 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: mike_c i think the sec press brought in new money
bitcoinpete: existing investors gained confidence, new ones stepped up to the plate and learned how to mpex
mike_c: well if you understand it you should write a post. it's quite something.
jurov: step 7) nap time
bitcoinpete: it really is something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01339998 = 0.1474 BTC [+] {2}
lippoper: !bait
lippoper: .bait
nubbins`: $330nzd per week for a 1br?!
nubbins`: ;;calc (283.37*52)/12
gribble: 1227.93666667
bitcoinpete: how much is a 1br in the maritimes?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00100275 = 7.0193 BTC [-]
nubbins`: while technically not the maritimes, a 1br apt in downtown st. john's, newfoundland will run you 700-900
nubbins`: 2-3br for $1000-1200 for something nice
nubbins`: 5 years ago you could find the same 1br for $600
Namworld: not much difference for 1-2 bedroom extra
bitcoinpete: reasonable enough
nubbins`: Namworld there are very few 1br apartments so the prices on 'em are a bit high
nubbins`: i mean, you can still get a 1br slum for $500
nubbins`: but for something that an adult with dignity and respect would live in...
bounce: probably should do a writeup of that "research" so you have something proper to link to.
bitcoinpete: bounce that'd be awesome
bitcoinpete: let me know when it's done and i'll edit accordingly
Namworld: I don't think "Canada Slums" and "Slums" are the same thing. By international standard, probably luxurious
Namworld: Two issues you don't want is water leaks or vermin infested building.
Namworld: Otherwise, even if the place ain't nice, just cleaning it through and keeping it so and no problems.
bitcoinpete: canada has plenty of places with mice, bedbugs, mold, and maybe worst of all inadequate heat
Namworld: yeah
bounce: will do.
bitcoinpete: i've seen some that charge 900+/mo too
bitcoinpete: it's criminal. and frequently prosecuted as such
Namworld: And if you rent that, you haven't looked around enough.
Namworld: Cause you can get much better for cheaper.
bounce: so we see that slums aren't necessarily cheap. why then do people still dwell there?
bitcoinpete: namworld 100%. my guess is that people tolerate it because it places them close to their community, including family and social services
Namworld: I can find good appartments for cheaper anytime.
bounce: just saying "haven't looked around enough" is too easy. one common reason is because the slum-dwellers don't have access to anything better.
bitcoinpete: and they don't need a damage deposit at these places
Namworld: Why not? Poor credit/no money for deposit, yeah, I guess.
bounce: not being part of the, well, bezzle economy is the word here
bitcoinpete: and they don't need to sign a 1yr lease
Namworld: But you pay too much for less...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.22203904 BTC to 5`408 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
bitcoinpete: bounce exactly
bitcoinpete: alt economy
bounce: hernando de soto wrote about it, _the mystery of capital_, just why some people have no access to the official economy and so dwell in the alternative shadow economy
bitcoinpete: the bezzle economy deploys its regulators under the guide of "public health" to clean this stuff up but it really can't go away
bitcoinpete: if anything, it's growing
bounce: there are ways to fix it but since they're a symptom of a(n often deliberately) broken official economy, that needs fixing first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00100494 = 7.7159 BTC [+]
bounce: take a piece of land, try and put a building on it. some places the paperwork can easily take 200+ forms and 10+ years. so people just start to build and rent out the building without bothering with the paperwork. it's a risk, but, you know.
bitcoinpete: just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food
bitcoinpete: keeps the barriers to entry high and the entrenched players comfy and content
jurov: i don't think checking the building isn't gonna fall someday is easy
jurov: it's easy to bash... pointing out which regulations are nonsense is harder
bitcoinpete: hard to check without hammurabi's code
asciilifeform: i once read that 'hammurabi's building code' is still king, in the... submarine industry
asciilifeform: everybody, architect, welders, riveters - get to take a free trip to max depth
Namworld: Where the fuck does it take 200 forms and 10 years to start building? The Land of Bureaucratia?
bitcoinpete: they should be permanent crew lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05110001 = 0.511 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: give them a little bunk next to the captain's
asciilifeform: the permanent crew are pros - afaik, in all modern countries
bounce: many, many places. generally the places with large informal economies
bitcoinpete: Namworld: california maybe? i hear their paperwork is nuts
ThickAsThieves: "Better yet: if the Bitcoin community managed to change the protocol to increase the rate that miners can “unlock” new coins… Bitcoin might have a built-in incentive to both adopt the currency and report taxable earnings. Let’s say that we accepted an inflationary Bitcoin, much like we have an inflationary dollar, around 2 or 3% annualized. At the end of the year, a consistently
ThickAsThieves: inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
ThickAsThieves: bircoin ragazine never fails to fail
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: architects of land buildings take tours of their work too. weaknesses from buried risks aren't really tested upfront
thestringpuller: wow bitcoin magazine is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days
thestringpuller: is it still like 100 dollars for a 1 year subscription?
thestringpuller: ;;google bitcoin magazine subscription
gribble: Bitcoin Magazine Subscription – Bitcoin Magazine: <http://bitcoinmagazine.com/product/3368/subscription12months/>; TIME TO RENEW YOUR SUBSCRIPTION! – Bitcoin Magazine: <http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6120/time-to-renew-your-subscription-2/>; Bitcoin Magazine Issue #7 (February 2013): 9781622096701 ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Magazine-Issue-February-2013/dp/1622096703>
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: that's atrocious
bitcoinpete: it's also why there's doge
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Magazine Subscription
ThickAsThieves: it's collectible!
asciilifeform: that thing still exists ?!
thestringpuller: if trilema were in print it wouldn't even be that expensive
pLambert: business idea! collect the trilemma posts for each month and print them
ThickAsThieves: $10 worth of bitcoin has got me through a year of trilema
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0511 = 0.511 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: Do you want to pay taxes on gains, or deduct losses... of actual losses... One gains you more, even after taxes, the other deprives you of money...
Namworld: What the fuck, Bitcoin Magazine?
ThickAsThieves: i kinda think he undercharges
thestringpuller: i have like 20k trilema credits...
thestringpuller: i use like maybe 1k a year...
bitcoinpete: i kinda like not having purchased any credits
bitcoinpete: prevents me from spending my days doing as the 18th century jooz, as mp once put it
Mats_cd03: whoever runs blockr... whats a 'huge' amount of requests? >20k?
bitcoinpete: "George Kikvadze, board member and advisor of BitFury, said Monday that if the notion of a finite number of bitcoins was ever altered it would be fair and should not undermine the value."
ozbot: 'Regulation is good,' says bitcoin mining giant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16484 @ 0.00100032 = 16.4893 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22405 @ 0.00099839 = 22.3689 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: dafuq fury.
thestringpuller: what the fuck?!?!?
thestringpuller: where the fuck is all this talk of making bitcoin inflationary coming from?
thestringpuller: holy shit i'm irate right now
kakobrekla: Mats_cd03 i forgot, but you get a temp ban (lasting minutes) if you go over it
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: gotta be puppets with guns to their heads
bitcoinpete: it's probably to be taken as seriously as the greenlist talk
bitcoinpete: it's just talk
ThickAsThieves: they can try, and the people who dont like it can stay on the other prong of the fork
bitcoinpete: that bitfury is looking to ipo in london is hilarious tho. they should try mpex first
kakobrekla: is that in the article
kakobrekla: havent opened it
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: it's in the video in the article, ya
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: ya, then we'll see if inflationary btc' is worth more or less than satoshi's btc
kakobrekla: i dunno, i know fury a bit, we talked a lot before he became famous, i wouldnt think he would be up for that.
bitcoinpete: people change, incentives change
kakobrekla: or just a stoned board member
bitcoinpete: chemicals change...
Namworld: Hey, Bitcoin Magazine is a premium magazine for the amateur of lulz, of course it commands a premium price. It's hard work coming up with this amount of lulz.
benkay: tchaw bitcoinpete the chems are the same as they've always been
ThickAsThieves: it's hard to battle idiocy on tv, it corrupts through the nature of its questioning alone
bitcoinpete: Namworld: mad magazine is hard work too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60299899 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: watch The Newsroom
bitcoinpete: benkay: it's how and when they're used that changes :)
Namworld: I have no idea what kind of price and content MAD has got going, honestly.
bitcoinpete: it's probably still 6 bucks a copy and full of gold, just like when i was a yoof
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4223 @ 0.00099819 = 4.2154 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: I'm going to this next weekend. I wonder which speaker will be the lulziest
ozbot: SPEAKERS | Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto - April 11 - 13Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto – April 11 –
bitcoinpete: i'll see if anyone else there can as readily point out the scammers as -assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.03003333 = 0.7208 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05248452 = 0.6823 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00099797 = 8.1834 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: the sun beckons, cheers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1277 @ 0.00011595 = 0.1481 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00099839 = 1.6583 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05669786 = 0.1134 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: benkay still around?
domsch: Johann is speaking there - didn’t know that, awesome.
mike_c: holy part spam batman. kakobrekla: mjr1 & mjr2 have been join/quitting constantly for hours..
jurov: gotta hack he b-a.com again and put my addy there
benkay: hey thestringpuller
jurov: that will be a hefty donation
thestringpuller: benkay: pm
mike_c: sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D
jurov: is there one?
Apocalyptic: that's the joke
kakobrekla: i dont see anything
kakobrekla: prolly cause i have joins and parts disabled
kakobrekla: which i recommend.
jurov: ur cheating!
mike_c: who's on the board of b-a? we need to out-vote the chairman.
kakobrekla: well, you have to be first, best or cheat, you pick.
mike_c: mutiny!
kakobrekla: but try it, life is so much better without that spam
kakobrekla: not in the face!
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/8L6706Y7
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: ^bitbet audit
Mats_cd03: are you an ass man, benkay
benkay: counterparty is pumping money into css too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60299999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00579758 = 0.2957 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: o, audit. well thats a start. can you include liabilities as well?
Mats_cd03: woops
Mats_cd03: i thought about it and forgot to do it
mike_c: and maybe filter out the 0's?
mike_c: impressive though, bitbet holding 3000 btc in bets.
kakobrekla: a decent size of it is a buffer
kakobrekla: anyway, Mats_cd03 , just sum all the confirmed bets on the open bets and take out 1% and thats that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014501 = 0.29 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: Documents show Gogo boasted of helping law enforcement agencies spy on in-flight wifi | PandoDaily
jurov: http://www.antichipotle.com/git/ lol markovchain generated manual
ozbot: GIT-WORK
jurov: send your worst enemy when they need it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01200002 = 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00579794 = 0.2725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
Namworld: Why would you be safe at all in the sky to start with? It's not like you don't connect to the same Internet. In fact, there's extra steps where to install snooping devices.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75550 @ 0.00099938 = 75.5032 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00099896 = 16.9823 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: ive come to realize i suck at writing code
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Does SMG have all its audio/music/fx under control already?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: it hurts my ego
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04910221 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00100535 = 39.3092 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game?
nubbins`: 16:16:17pLambert:business idea! collect the trilemma posts for each month and print them <<< that's actually not a business idea
thestringpuller: ;;later chetty should we put a gribble bot in #eulora?
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "chetty" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell chetty should we put a gribble bot in #eulora?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: would be a good magazine idea
thestringpuller: Trilema: The Magazine
nubbins`: thestringpuller: why would anyone buy it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 497 @ 0.000832 = 0.4135 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056547 = 0.1131 BTC [-]
nubbins`: if bitcoin magazine has to charge $99 for a year subscription because their readership is so small, imagine what a year of trilema would cost
thestringpuller: lol didn't say it would be a profitable idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.056547 = 0.5655 BTC [-]
nubbins`: idea: throw hundred-dollar bills out of a moving vehicle
thestringpuller: BRILLIANT
thestringpuller: make it rain up in here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05249997 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: <thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game? /// I've been in and out of it for a long time. Flirting with getting back in.
Mats_cd03: kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC 1771.37574931 in liabilities
Mats_cd03: oops, i didnt take 1% from that number
Mats_cd03: 1753.6619918169
kakobrekla: cool, so its a double reverse fractional reserve
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249998 = 0.105 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: perhaps join all this with the methodology used in some blogpost and make it useful for people?
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC 1753.6619918169 btc in liabilities after house takes a cut
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: i thought about it but thats a lot of work
Mats_cd03: compared to the time i spent writing the code
kakobrekla: eh? a few sentences should do
Mats_cd03: i used an html parsing library in python to scrape bitbet then pinged blockr with the balance requests
mike_c: ooh, you know bitbet serves up json?
Mats_cd03: yeah
mike_c: parsing is more fun? ;)
kakobrekla: the point is, the result is now scattered over a days worth of log. the thing is worthy of being published in a coherent matter.
Mats_cd03: i couldnt find any python code to parse the jsend format and cant be arsed to do it myself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05654718 = 0.2827 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: so i just spammed the api and went to take a poop while it ran
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.05654718 = 0.7917 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.030105 = 0.4516 BTC [-]
mike_c: ah. well, for future reference: import json; json.loads(data) will give you a python dict with all the info.
Mats_cd03: kakobrekla: ill work up a report in the next day
kakobrekla: cool, if you dont run a blog or dont have a place to publish it, perhaps some other asseteer blogger would publish you, dunno, just sayin
Mats_cd03: mike_c: lol...whoops. i dont do any web dev
thestringpuller: interesting that bitbet is so transparent it can be independently audited
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2250 @ 0.000125 = 0.2813 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: (i didnt know jsend is json and a cursory goog search of jsend wasnt helpful)
mike_c: so extra bonus for doing the research, you learned some more python.
mike_c: always nice.
mike_c: net net: bitbet has 3000 in assets and 1700 in liabilities?
kakobrekla: something like that
kakobrekla: >Litecoin Creator (Charlie Lee) Recommends Merged Mining with Dogecoin
kakobrekla: go litecoin!
punkman: chuck be trippin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.01191457 = 0.5719 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.01174424 = 0.3054 BTC [-] {2}
blackwhite: hola peeps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03159231 = 0.3159 BTC [+] {2}
twizt: sup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30398 @ 0.00100089 = 30.4251 BTC [-]
nubbins`: !t m mpoe
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
nubbins`: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00098385 / 0.00099837 / 0.0010056 (675729 shares, 674.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00095927 / 0.0010056 (5780800 shares, 5,545.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089519 / 0.0010056 (27916312 shares, 24,990.63 BTC)
nubbins`: i only listen to restraining orders
Mats_cd03: kakobrekla: whoever posts it first on their blog can has it, i figure mp will write a trilema post eventually
Mats_cd03: As of 7APR2014 16:37:00GMT, BitBet has a total balance of 2889.82820674 BTC with outstanding liabilities of 1753.6619918169 BTC. In total, 8874 addresses have deposited funds (http://pastebin.com/8L6706Y7), and there are currently 93 open bets with deposits totaling 1771.37574931 BTC (http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC). After operating for little more than a
Mats_cd03: year, BitBet has accumulated 1136.1662149231001 BTC in revenue. I used Beautiful Soup (a Python library designed for screen scraping) to pull table data (BTC addresses, quantity deposited) and looked up address balances with blockr.io’s API. If you wish to reproduce these results with Python, I would recommend using the Requests library, which is superior
Mats_cd03: to urllib2. Readers are encouraged to verify this data.
bitcoinpete_: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/
ozbot: Results Of First BitBet Audit, April 7 2014 | When Bitcoin Met Pete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05389 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03159982 = 0.3792 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1760 @ 0.000125 = 0.22 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: there we go
punkman: "I want a gambling slot app that looks fancy and runs smoothly. It will accept bitcoins. The app will also have a back end that controls the odds in realtime. The reason for this app is that my wife is addicted to gambiling & I would like To keep the bitcoins."
Mats_cd03: brilliant
kakobrekla: ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 did the first public bitbet.us audit
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
Mats_cd03: ill get to it
Namworld: "Here honey, gamble as much as you want. If you need more money, just ask."
Namworld: Wife gambles elsewhere/actually wins big for once and tries to withdraw.
Mats_cd03: if she gets lucky youll have esplainin to do
Namworld: That's what's gonna happen to that guy, punkman.
punkman: you control the odds, remember
Namworld: Oh. Well eh
Namworld: Still, gamble elsewhere.
punkman: could probably get her to quit gambling
Namworld: What about she just gambles elsewhere?
Namworld: Seeing the odds are no good there?
punkman: yeah she will likely conclude it's rigged/crap and try elsewhere
Namworld: She can just move funds elsewhere. And if not, it's just another play chips game app.
punkman: people are suspicious of virtual dice
Namworld: That's not how you quit. Guy will just get in trouble for it, playing in his wife's back like that.
punkman: I'm wondering if the woman is gambling with btc in the first place
punkman: or if the dude thinks that's a good idea to introduce to her
Namworld: If he controls odds and she's never losing everything... gonna look weird. "I never win big yet I never lose my balance. Been going for 2 trillion bets. What are the odds?"
Namworld: Guy: I'll just pretend my wife has issues, maybe someone develops me a gambling app for cheaper that way? So much profits for me!
Namworld: Guy: Maybe if I get my wife hooked up on MY app, I won't have to quit her for losing all our money. I can also get her hooked on me giving her back the gambling money to fuel the habit! What could go wrong?
Namworld: I can't see any way whatever he wants to achieve wouldn't be somewhat retarded to completly retarded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03019103 = 0.5434 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;seen Bugpowder
gribble: Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto
thestringpuller: whatever happened to Bugpowder, must be retired.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.03010039 = 0.6622 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03010005 = 0.3913 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0301001 = 0.2408 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249885 = 0.105 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05249999 = 0.2625 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.08299776 = 1.66 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000125 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05299999 = 0.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03010001 = 0.1505 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller he drops by now and again, like quarterly.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not really on the audio. some voice work done.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 pretty cool!
mircea_popescu: used to be like 1600 / 400ish, but then the 1k bet happened and some large 200+ iirc.
mircea_popescu: shows the importance of padding i guess.
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:38deabf30abd437d1ce2053fb0ce12af190d1911263496a2a4ce72cf
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rated Mats_cd03
gribble: You have not yet rated user Mats_cd03
kakobrekla: its a trap.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 Bitcoin financial auditor.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: get in the wot noob.
ThickAsThieves: i'd be interested in taking a swing at some music or spell effects or such if you have any small project for me to esperiment with
Mats_cd03: im waiting til i get a cardano
kakobrekla: uh you gonna do your wot on cardano?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05349999 = 0.1605 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: im generating the key with it
mircea_popescu: so i guess 1771 is the new 1337
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.08299776 = 0.83 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in other news, i gotta chill it with these extraditions, my poor liver can't cope.
mircea_popescu: lol vessenes is STILL "chairman of teh board" ?
twizt: mp is that u posting as sproket
twizt: lol
mircea_popescu: what's the guy take himself for, franksinatra ?
twizt: sporket*
mircea_popescu: i srsly never posted on the forum.
mircea_popescu: i used to pay exactly one person to do it, she had a signed statement, that's the whole of it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.08299776 = 3.0709 BTC [-] {2}
twizt: well u got someone pretending to be you atleast
kakobrekla: the only way i know of to backup that key Mats_cd03 is to plug the cable on the transporter in the middle of the energizing sequence so while the object is already completely scanned it is not yet disintegrated, the rest of the procedure is prolly clear.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla key's stored in an eeprom. it's not THAT easy to lose.
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell cads any progress?
kakobrekla: TRY ME
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, generally speaking, backup;s are better than no backups, no argument ther.e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00100168 = 7.6909 BTC [+] {2}
everclear: twizt: no one's pretending to be MP, only being accused
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 44 @ 0.00243332 = 0.1071 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: today my post about the questionable "Narcotic Checkpoints" was censored into oblivion
mircea_popescu: afaik teh sa goons be trolling the shit out of that thread.
ThickAsThieves: about 220 comments before it died
ThickAsThieves: shortly later the police issues a pr:
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lrn2use your own platforms.
ThickAsThieves: "A total of 29 arrests were made on various charges of possession of illegal drugs, driving while license suspended, and outstanding warrants. Drugs seized: Marijuana 23.8 grams, Crack cocaine: 8.1 grams, Cocaine: 2 grams, Prescription pills 46."
mircea_popescu: anyway, fuck them. if they had confiscated the empire fucking state building made out of crystal rock pixie dust,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 77 @ 0.00240015 = 0.1848 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: it'd have not excused it.
ThickAsThieves: well all they got was people with their weekend stashes it seems
mircea_popescu: completely broken line of argumentation. you're telling your daughter to stop sucking cock on the curb, she's telling you she made this much money today.
mircea_popescu: if that were the fucking point...
ThickAsThieves: i know someone at the paper who's kinda a firecracker, gonna see if she'll do an article
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if you had a blog with a larger circulation than any newspaper buffett owns, you could have done that article.
mircea_popescu: and you could have had that blog, had you started working on it, diligently, half a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: da fuck happened to s.mpoe
ThickAsThieves: lol, ironically about 10 years ago I was speaking with the head of the local Chamber of Commerce and she asked me what I thought of blogs (as PR really). I told her I thought they were silly.
ThickAsThieves: i always remembe rthat conversation for some reason
mircea_popescu: so ten years ago you said something silly :D
mircea_popescu: remember bill clinton ?
mircea_popescu: his career ended because drudge's blog.
mircea_popescu: that was just about a decade ago.
ThickAsThieves: it came from being a hater of all things twittery
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: and eve3ry business wanting to pay me to do them for promo
ThickAsThieves: but yeah it was silly
ThickAsThieves: but her writing a blog would have been even more silly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05845389 = 0.3507 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0584539 = 0.643 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well no dissputeing that.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, what's the difference between dis bute and diss pute.
ThickAsThieves: one has b upside down?
ThickAsThieves: backwards*
ThickAsThieves: i didnt say anything
ThickAsThieves crabwalks away
ozbot: New bitcoin debit card claims to work with 90 percent of US ATMs — Tech News and Analysis
ThickAsThieves: missed opportunity to call it scAMEX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.085002 = 0.425 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.085 = 0.34 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that's the meanest thing of the month
ThickAsThieves: it's only the 7th!
ThickAsThieves: phone call sceduled with reported, woop!
ThickAsThieves: reporter*
mircea_popescu: if there's anyone here sober :
ozbot: Free sitcom idea, with butts. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: pls read that let me know what you think.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5228 @ 0.00099915 = 5.2236 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell herbijudlestoids what idea is that ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o wow, they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder ?
mike_c: an article with butts in the title and no pictures of butts..
mircea_popescu: that's a bold step.
mircea_popescu: mike_c no because it's an idea see
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 what's "challenge and response" mean ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid <<< this is very true, and still one of those unresolved mysteries.
mircea_popescu: it almost looked like people went "oh, it paid another div, its value reduced by x but it's risk discount by n*x so BUY IT!"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "heard of hearing" << is that supposed to be hard of hearing?
mircea_popescu: well i'm leaving it, cutest teapo ever.
mircea_popescu: bounce like half the people live their entire lives within 50 miles of their pob or some shit ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food << yey verily. compare cancer epidemiologic data in the soviet union in 1963 with same in the us in 2013. be amazed. be very amazed.
mircea_popescu: and they were using DTT and azbocement wtf you call it and so on.
mircea_popescu: "At the end of the year, a consistently inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who is this powerfully retarded ranger ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder << it was time to switch cover stories, the old one was getting tired
mircea_popescu: because only on the tardstalk forum can one accidentally selfcrit himself on the jagged shards of irony for more 9000s of damage.
asciilifeform: and now there's a convenient 'desperado' who 'we know did it'
mircea_popescu: right right.
mircea_popescu: well... maybe it was the global warming.
mircea_popescu: no wait.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was the CLIMATE SCIENCE DENIERS
asciilifeform: i'll call it 'local warming.'
mircea_popescu: they dunnit.
mircea_popescu: "a cilindrical section of his skull about quarter inch wide suddenly got very hot and all entropic"
mircea_popescu: it's all because of the "carbon"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: dafuq fury. << srsly. tell him that if regulation is good he needs to find another market.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's quite clear they're stepping up the game.
mircea_popescu: ¡No pasarán!
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Dear USG sleeper agents : ...
mircea_popescu: adding here for teh record too.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D << try haxxing trilema, smartypants.
mircea_popescu: it's running wp like... uhm. 2.something.
mircea_popescu: whatever was the package before obama.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19794 @ 0.00099915 = 19.7772 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03009999 = 0.1505 BTC [-]
mike_c: well, trilema moved the login page. that's better than bitcoin-assets :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wait, you actually imagine btc ragazine has more readers than trilema ?!
mircea_popescu: i mean being one degree of magnitude off is one thing, but you're probably three.
mircea_popescu: mike_c no it didn't.
nubbins`: come to think of it, i've never read bitcoin magazine...
mircea_popescu: sorry to break it to you this way, but no, it's not this cool obscure band :D
mike_c: this looks promising: https://trilema.com:2083/
mircea_popescu: errything looks promising at some point.
mircea_popescu: course afail :2083 ain't wordpress.
mike_c: true. plus my time limit for fun is up.
jborkl: Butterfly labs had a class action filed against them today
ozbot: The Storm That Was Fel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: from the cemetery of trilema, an example of one that has tried before.
mircea_popescu: jborkl was it the minesota guys ?
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/kPlNNBteuy #BFL ...
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldn't hurt to implement 'port knocking'
kakobrekla: yeah mike_c funny story about that.
mike_c: leprechauns?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't actually sysadmin that server, and w/e, whoever finds a cpanel hole can deface trilema for a day.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: interesting that bitbet is so transparent it can be independently audited << yeah, but wikipedia has an article about "dac"
mircea_popescu: so guess who wins.
asciilifeform: the purpose of impossibly-hard targets isn't necessarily to protect valuables, but can be simply to torment the enemy
mircea_popescu: well the purpose of rotting pig carcasses with vaginas painted on the skin isn't so very different.
mircea_popescu: Namworld: That's not how you quit. Guy will just get in trouble for it, playing in his wife's back like that. < i agree. add a steel pole to your pool, chain her to the base. she can eat once every 100 laps.
mircea_popescu: after one million laps not only is she cured of whatevet you disliked, but also has a superb posterior.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1310 @ 0.00012497 = 0.1637 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the guy is obviously trying to have someone write him a scamsite. found a decent pretext, but it's about as convincing as what kids trying to get you to do their homework come up with.
bounce: verily, asbocement. ITYM DDT and asbestos?
bounce: !google ASBO
mircea_popescu: asbestos yea
mircea_popescu: so who's going to show up to whatever derpy conference the vessenes merry band of scammers is organising and ask him how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ?
mircea_popescu: and all sorts of other interesting questions, such as how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
bounce: $400 entrance fee, or whatever it was, just to ask scammers why they be scammin'?
jurov: gonna be http://cebexpo.net/ here in vienna soon.. not sure power rangers come
BingoBoingo: 400 euros a ticket is more than most forum fraudsters take now, so... I think this goes in line with the whole don't feed scammers because it encourages them thing
jurov: oh shrem will
bounce: lovely mugshot collection
mircea_popescu: bounce if you do i'll pay your entrance. but no derpage, make it worth our while.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3558 @ 0.00099818 = 3.5515 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov shrem is like whatever, leper man walking.
mircea_popescu: "hi, i'm 24 and i made a deal with the usg to pretend like i'm still a human being, who knows, maybe the puppet master needs one sometime"
mircea_popescu: lol stallman gonna lose another gnu stuffie ?
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha josh zerlan ?! orly ?
mircea_popescu: jesus buterin looks derpy in that picture.
bounce: http://bitcoin2014.com/ is up top at the bitcoin foundation's website
mircea_popescu: so basically... a bunch of people nobody's heard of, btctalk's most reviled shill and a coupla would-be journos ?
asciilifeform: ;;google chestnut tree cafe
gribble: The Chestnut Tree Cafe: <http://bartlebysfour.blogspot.com/>; George Orwell: The Chestnut Tree Cafe - Charles' Orwell Links: <http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/ctc/>; SparkNotes: 1984: Book One: Chapters VII–VIII: <https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/section4.rhtml>
jurov: and "one of the first bitcoin users in Germany."
mircea_popescu: keonne Dan Held is hawt, i'm told by my intel dept
jurov: should that concern me?
mircea_popescu: well maybe ?
mircea_popescu: "Meghan Kellison-Lords is a writer and activist from Pensacola, FL. She is the editor at Bitcoin Not Bombs, a writer at Young Voices and Bitcoin Magazine, office manager at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, and volunteer at Sean’s Outpost Homeless Outreach. She is fascinated by"
mircea_popescu: poor girl.
mircea_popescu: this is like token black guy, except with geeks and women.
bounce: hmm. is the log a "legitimate medium" according to the "bitcoin 2014 definition of legitimate media"? needs letter from editor though. who edits the log?
jurov: yes, it bears duble cherry truck insignia
mircea_popescu: well no, you can't go as press and harrangue the speakers.
bounce: so it's get in free and don't critique or get in for $$$ and sing hosannas along with the prophets
thestringpuller: omg i'm sick of the bitcoin foundation
thestringpuller: just read the conference site...like
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if one tries to exist by pretending to exist, one's stuck with lulzier and lulzier pretense.
mircea_popescu: bounce not exactly
mircea_popescu: in other news, i got a prescreen of mpoe-pr's dress for teh conference
mircea_popescu: shit's stunning.
jurov: she deserves better chain, too
mircea_popescu: one dares not discuss womenz chains.
bounce: she's going to be in vienna then?
mircea_popescu: when i say teh conference i mean teh conference, not random derpage
thestringpuller: THE CONFERENCE
thestringpuller: probably one of the few if not only one that matters
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu are any core developers going to it?
asciilifeform: 'core developers' << ?
bounce: whoops. I retract what I asked.
mircea_popescu: i think cores kinda went out of fashion
thestringpuller: yes 'core developers'
mircea_popescu: liek what, 1975 ?
thestringpuller: we know all the real code is developed by the nameless
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i presume you still have some kl_core running somewhere ?
asciilifeform: ferrite?
asciilifeform: not atm - but would love to.
mircea_popescu: well yeah. ferrite core.
asciilifeform: how beautiful they were!
mircea_popescu: kinda the last time knitting and it looked similar.
jurov: thestringpuller: u goin?
bounce: read somewhere the bitcoin foundation opened up their forum for all the world to read. somebody take a copy. ought to be plenty research material there.
asciilifeform: if i recall, they were made by skilled weavers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup
mircea_popescu: british textile industry is one of the antecessors of modern computers.
thestringpuller: jurov: I am incredibly tempted to book air fare, but as mod6 isn't going an I wanted to meet up with him there I decided to wait until next year for Series 3
mircea_popescu: like british typewriter manufacturers
mircea_popescu: (the royal mcbee for instance mostly made money selling typewriters)
thestringpuller: i'm still very tempted to book passage though...
jurov: thestringpuller mircea threatened to move to argentina
mircea_popescu: bounce may be worth it yea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05840002 = 0.292 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is being a student a job?
thestringpuller: Someone just told me "i have a job. Student."
bounce: inasmuch as they're paying to have that job.
mircea_popescu: well let's put it this way : if that's what one thinks their job is,
mircea_popescu: then that's probably what their job should be.
mod6: yeah, just didn't work out this year. if its in SA next year, im pretty sure i'll be there.
mircea_popescu: sooo... they made public their posts about how they don't discuss publicly ?
mircea_popescu: such win.
BingoBoingo: Seems like the goat forum where the lulz sit just beneath the surface
BingoBoingo: EIther that or just noone posts on their forums
mircea_popescu: just derpage about how "Law and Policy Steering Committee Information Started by Lindsay Holland Law and Policy Committee Chair: Mike Hearn Contact email for Chair: mhearn@bitcoinfoundation.org"
mircea_popescu: i mean herp mcderp, what can i tell you, birocratia maxima, some derp goes to target, buys a red stapler and an "Important Person" bumper sticker and suddenly we have yet another... important person with a red stapler.
mircea_popescu: it was better back when wikipedia retardation was mostly content to quarantine itself on wikipedia. but by now it's spilling the fuck over.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it should be clear to all but the thickest, most disco-dan sort of people in their boat that the battle has been fought, and won, but not by them.
mircea_popescu: a minimally working conservation instinct would send everyone involved packing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. I seems that more defections from there are likely in the coming months.
mircea_popescu: who knows, perhaps then there won't be need to hoist the entire troop from the highest catarg, just a few heads.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> bounce if you do i'll pay your entrance. but no derpage, make it worth our while. /// yet you wont pay for me to accost people at the Amsterdam one? :(
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves define accost ?
asciilifeform: these aren't 'defections,' any more than the proverbial rats who jump the sinking ship are 'mutineers.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the proverbial rats would be defectors, yes. maps quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: the important point being that she's sunk.
ThickAsThieves: i'm willing to put anyone on the spot really
ThickAsThieves: as long as i agree with the line of questioning
cgcardona_: anyone gonna be at http://www.globalbtcsummit.com/en/ ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mutineers in the way they alert the loyal crew to the rat's low morale
asciilifeform: the animal that created the phoundation still lives
asciilifeform: it will re-group under another name
ThickAsThieves: reporter for Trilema Ragazine
davout: ThickAsThieves: "ragazine" i like this word
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so same goes to you then, ask vehehes a) how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ? and b) how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
ThickAsThieves: i dont think he'd answer thos equestions though
ThickAsThieves: he'll just huff n puff
ThickAsThieves: davout i didnt coin the word, i think i may have gotten it from someone else here
bounce would probably suck at actually questioning, so go ahead if you'd like
ThickAsThieves: is vehehe even going to Amsterdam
ThickAsThieves: wait thats a dumb question
ThickAsThieves: of course he will
mircea_popescu: check out that shit.
mircea_popescu: beleeted.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo prepping a summation piece ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course
mircea_popescu: davout i could have sworn i coined teh ragazine, but i can't find any reference
mircea_popescu: apparently i have an overactive imagination.
ThickAsThieves: i'm so censorable
cgcardona_: schwagazine
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it appears exactly twice in the log, on mar 21st, we're like two minutes apart.
davout: cgcardona_: irc needs a "like" button
mircea_popescu: o shit twitter
ThickAsThieves: it aint censored btw
cgcardona_: :)
ThickAsThieves: "See More"
ThickAsThieves: yeah my logs show mp saying it first
mircea_popescu: nah, it wasn't invented in march
mircea_popescu: it's older, i distinctly recall it being used last year.
jurov: #bitcoin-assets.log:[Monday 07 January 2013] [18:58:28] <mircea_popescu> [03:06:29] cause the new bitcoin ragazine dood is there.
mircea_popescu: gotta learn how to grep right.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03009998 = 0.3311 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: actually peter isnt on the roster for Amsterdam
ThickAsThieves: thought they are claling it their annual meeting
bounce: not as speaker or panelist anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course it'll regroup and so forth, what do you want, schlügen den teufel aus der welt ?
ThickAsThieves: "In 2009, non-Hispanic blacks, while only 13.6% of the population, accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population." dafuck is a non-Hispanic black?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00099703 = 11.9145 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves people who aren't white and whose last name isn't rodriguez ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60399797 BTC [+]
ozbot: This Could Be a Baby Geep, a Rare Sheep-Goat Hybrid
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo guy doesn't understand genetics.
mircea_popescu: black women happily married to black guys occasionally give birth to perfectly fair, blue eyed caucasian babies, doesn't automatically mean they've been porking the milkman.
BingoBoingo: Of course
cgcardona_: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48257846.jpg
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ lol
cgcardona_: :-]
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steven-__: http://www.vice.com/read/the-tanzanian-albino-hunt
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asciilifeform: (re: politics of housing in usa, bezzle-dollars, etc.)
MGK: Anyone interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
asciilifeform: 'One in four renters now spend more than half of their income on housing, up from one in five a decade ago, according to a 2013 .... '
mircea_popescu: MGK maybe nubbins`
nubbins`: mmm?
MGK: nubbins you interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
nubbins`: what year and holo?
MGK: I can make a thread on btc talk and post pictures if you like, asking only 1.5
MGK: I believe its on 13
MGK: I have to be honest, Idont know much about them. I bought it off of NightOwl about 2 months ago
cgcardona_: pics?
MGK: 1min I will take some now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055 = 0.55 BTC [-] {2}
MGK: yes its 2013
MGK: brass
cgcardona_: I recently did some research on casasius coins http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21kryh/potentially_25101_unspent_casascius_coins/ and http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21nmck/sorted_25101_casascius_coins_by_denomination/
cgcardona_: *casascius
nubbins`: not too interested in the 2013 brass -- now if you could find me a 2011 series-2 1btc brass, on the other hand...
cgcardona_: high level summary—there are potentially 25101 unspent out of 65,000 ish
MGK: eh well ill save the time taking pics then.
cgcardona_: and then I ran a script to sort them by denomination as well.
MGK: Only have this one left, just sent out my .5 to blazedout this morning
cgcardona_: 6 1000+ unspent coins still out there.
cgcardona_: prob the gold bars I guess though I'm unsure if those were included in the masterlist
cgcardona_: here's the full list https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt
MGK: anyone a fan of pawn stars? I have an autographed old man 1oz silver coin lol
cgcardona_: is this what you're talking about but w/ 1 btc loaded on it?
cgcardona_: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348631
ozbot: Casascius 2013 0.5 BTC brass coin BTC 0.69 with shipping
MGK: already sold the .5
cgcardona_: but you have a 1btc?
cgcardona_: and you're asking 1.5 btc?
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ so few huh
cgcardona_: yea i imagine someone swimming around in Casasius coins like the scrooge mcduck of cryptos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00099706 = 10.868 BTC [+]
MGK: yes, heres a pic of the 2 coins, if you like I can take another with my name on paper next to them.http://imgur.com/NNyBwbk
cgcardona_: wow +1 to the old man coin
MGK: The crack on the top is from my recliner , it fell in the it and I didnt notice, I reclined it and chipped the top but the coin is still locked in the case, wasnt damaged.
MGK: I like the old man coin too, I just got back from LV about 3 weeks ago and I had to buy a couple.
steven-__: who is that on the old man coin?
cgcardona_: It's a tough one for me because I've not ordered a casasius from anyone other than the source (and then only aluminum ones for promo material alas) so i'm just not sure what I'd do if it wasn't legit (and I promise I'm not calling you a scammer. Just thinking out loud)
MGK: Thats the old man himself!!
cgcardona_: the one and only old man!
cgcardona_: (from pawn stars the show on the history channel)
steven-__: oh I don
cgcardona_: how do transactions like this work? do people just go off of bitcointalk trust scores?
cgcardona_: i've ordered cold wallet kits in the past and went off of that
cgcardona_: *cold storage
MGK: No problem cgcard. I understand your concern and unfortunately theres not much I can do about that besides tell you I got the coin from NightOwl which is a reputable re-seller and was already graded. Ive never been able to actually touch this coin.
cgcardona_: sure—Caveat emptor and all.
cgcardona_: let me think about it. I'm def interested
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ in general, wot scores.
mike_c: ;;ident MGK
gribble: Nick 'MGK', with hostmask 'MGK!42421ed3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.66.30.211', is not identified.
cgcardona_: i want to add some casascius to my cold storage
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust nubbins`
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
MGK: Yes we would just go off of trust, I just sold a .5 on the forums he sent first and I shipped out this morning insured and tracking etc. Here is the link,https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.msg6112123#msg6112123
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: oh cool
mircea_popescu: yeah, get in the wot both of ye.
MGK: I can respond to a PM on the forums to prove that is my account also
MGK: I have a few deals on there, 1 for over $10k with Goat
mircea_popescu: gpg works a lot better than forum pms.
cgcardona_: for realz
MGK: Ive heard of that but tbh its confusing, if youd like to walk me thru it I am willing to set it up
cgcardona_: yea let me watch that thread and once he confirms that he got it I'll think about it. thanks
MGK: No problem, he will have it Wednesday.
cgcardona_: cool
mircea_popescu: ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>
mircea_popescu: firstthng there
MGK: Anyone interested in a cointerra 2TH/s also I am offering the best price on the forums. If you are in between NY and Denver I can deliver it face to face.
MGK: Alright I promise thats it lol
cgcardona_: that sounds nice. what are you asking for that?
cgcardona_: is it not legit to discuss deals here? sorry . don't want to spam the channel. still new here
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MGK: Im not sure, Ive been in this chat maybe 3 times. We can take it to private messages if you like.
mircea_popescu: MGK maybe give a look at the gribble maintained orderbook ?
MGK: I don't understand.
gribble: (bids [--under] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>. If market is supplied, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD.
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
MGK: Ok I will over look that, thanks.
cgcardona_: yea I'm still waiting on my freaking piper wallet to arrive. It's been a month since I paid for it and they haven't even sent me a confirmation email. And I've contacted them twice since. :-|
cgcardona_: buyer beware indeed.
asciilifeform: lol at folks taking pre-orders for widgets that aren't baked yet
cgcardona_: yea I guess so.
cgcardona_: all the threads that I read say it's a legit product and that the person who got one was stoked.
cgcardona_: but my experience has been hella poor
cgcardona_: i ordered 500 aluminum casascius and they arrived in like 4 days and I got an email
cgcardona_: i ordered this https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/
cgcardona_: and it arrived in like 3 days and I got a personal email from Canton.
asciilifeform: i still don't get, why collect money unless you're ready to hand a widget over
cgcardona_: nothing.at.all from the piper team
cgcardona_: well to take money from people like me I suppose
cgcardona_: hrm
asciilifeform: cgcardona_: isn't 'piper' just a 'raspberry' with bitcoind loaded?
asciilifeform: you could make it yourself
cgcardona_: yes you're right I can make it myself.
cgcardona_: i'm considering it of course.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00099703 = 9.2724 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (i wouldn't. 'raspberry' is a terrible board)
cgcardona_: also I'm considering just taking their open source hardware and paying a team of people to churn them out and deliver them on time
cgcardona_: i'm sure there's a huge market for something that cool
jborkl: why would you pay for that?
cgcardona_: I think it's pretty cool.
cgcardona_: we'll see if/when it arrives
jborkl: a pi would not even run bitcoind worth a shit
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to can try this now
asciilifeform: (result is quite sad)
jborkl: it would be easier and cheaper to get a free instance on AWS and run bitcoind on it
jborkl: it you were so inclined
asciilifeform: for wallet?!
cgcardona_: not if you're trying to create cold storage from an air locked box
jborkl: no
cgcardona_: heh
jborkl: but I would not put my wallet on a pi either?
cgcardona_: the wallets not on the pi
cgcardona_: it's spits out paper wallets
jborkl: so I did not think that applied
kakobrekla: you dont need a bitcoind on a pi
cgcardona_: did you see the video? http://piperwallet.com/
cgcardona_: it's only like 60 seconds
cgcardona_: i think it's a sweet concept
asciilifeform: anyone here own a 'FLIR' scope?
cgcardona_: easier than https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/ which involves me having a dedicaded computer and printer
asciilifeform: and a 'piper'
cgcardona_: this just encapsulates it into one device
asciilifeform: do you see where i'm going with this?
asciilifeform: thermal printer.
asciilifeform: ;;google optical tempest
gribble: Information Leakage from Optical Emanations - applied-math.org: <http://www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf>; CRT Eavesdropping: Optical Tempest - Slashdot: <http://it.slashdot.org/story/02/03/09/199242/crt-eavesdropping-optical-tempest>; Optical Time-Domain Eavesdropping Risks of CRT Displays: <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ieee02-optical.pdf>
cgcardona_: are you talking about candling?
asciilifeform: except now anyone can read your 'cold wallet' (as it is printed, naturally) from across the street.
cgcardona_: checking the links now
cgcardona_: interesting
asciilifeform: likewise the 'built in rng' is... raspberry's
jborkl: thermal paper tends to degrade over time
asciilifeform: or rather, broadcom's on-chip turd
cgcardona_: now i know why it's taking so damn long. THEY'RE SETTING UP A THERMAL CAMERA ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE
cgcardona_: *sorry for the caps*
cgcardona_ snaps off caps lock key
mike_c: asciilifeform: what do you use to generate your wallet?
asciilifeform: thermal tape makes great one-time pads
asciilifeform: burn it with a butane lighter when finished.
mike_c: or, what do you recommend?
asciilifeform: mike_c: i've an analogue rng, feeding /dev/random myself.
mike_c: ah
cgcardona_: i turn on loud music and shake my booty to generate extra entropy myself
asciilifeform: this is not a heroic feat
asciilifeform: (yes mp some. not sure what he did with them)
cgcardona_: oh I see that's by my Bizarro world clone cgCARDANO - very nice
asciilifeform: for how it was plugged,
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jborkl: why not pull a brainwallet, put it on a pi and make your wallet out of a bible verse. They are everywhere and you only have to remember what you part you put in
asciilifeform: jborkl: do this, and let's see how long the contents last
cgcardona_: ha
mike_c: oh, of course. you have access to cardano guts :)
jborkl: ok, I will
cgcardona_: i figured just putting all of my btc behind a 'hello w0rld' brain wallet would be good to go
asciilifeform: how long does it take to move a sliding window across 'gutenberg' archive and bruteforce.
jborkl: I will post up the adress tomorrow
asciilifeform: mike_c: you (and anyone) also have access to analogue rng. open a textbook and pick your favourite...
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ the more formal objection would be that you're trying to construct a bridge through the process of "here are some bricks i found, i wonder which cool way i could stack them together"
mircea_popescu: whilke this approach often creates half-decent "art" (known in this space as lulz) it neve actually makes a bridge.
jborkl: and you assuming you know what I made the address out of, and you would not irl
jborkl: unless I beat it out of you, but that is a whole other story
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: are you referring to my cold storage comments? (just trying to make the connection with what you're saying)
asciilifeform: beat it out << this is why any apparatus that doesn't include a scram zapper is sad.
mike_c: open a textbook and pick your favourite... << or wait a month and disassemble a cardano.
asciilifeform: mike_c: no need to disassemble. it comes in a clear chassis, with blueprints/sources
jborkl: what is a scram zapper?
mike_c: even better.
asciilifeform: jborkl: a special little gift for folks who want to take your keys by force.
mike_c: it is a countermeasure for rectothermal cryptoanalysis.
asciilifeform: partial countermeasure. like a rifle, it only works if fired.
asciilifeform: i can envision folks telling tales of adventure: '... and then i took my C off its safety...'
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ nah, to your raspberi pi wallet
cgcardona_: yea that's what I thought you meant. Just wanted to clarify
mircea_popescu: well, "your". just this idle example you made up obivously.
danielpbarron: i have a piper
danielpbarron: but i got mine last year
danielpbarron: i have since ordered some more rolls of paper and I also have not recieved a confirmation email or shipment
cgcardona_: ok well I guess that's 'good' to hear that someone else hasn't received any confirmation recently.
cgcardona_: at least I know i'm not the only one left hanging.
danielpbarron: i heard the piper guy was at one of the conferences recently
danielpbarron: maybe he's too busy to fill orders
cgcardona_: supply != demand. I smell an opportunity.
danielpbarron: i use it to print 1 mBit slips to hand out
danielpbarron: i had to hack it a little to make it stop printing the ugly extra private key and url at the bottom
danielpbarron: but i'm almost out of paper :<
danielpbarron: it's more annoying to not have the paper than to be ripped off for a little coin
cgcardona_: i'm just erked cause I've been wanting to get my coins off of web wallets. I trust no one at this point pretty much.
danielpbarron: you shouldn't use piper to store large amounts
cgcardona_: blockchain.info is pretty good of course. Coinbase has been all kinds of screwy lately.
danielpbarron: yeah don't keep it on coinbase
danielpbarron: i have had sketchy stuff happen with coinbase recently too
cgcardona_: yea I've been having transactions just get stuck in 'pending' for hours cause of their off blockchain stuff.
cgcardona_: the first time it happened I moved all my coins to blockchain.
cgcardona_: i was like 'sketch balls!'
danielpbarron: i accidently double sent a transaction, luckily to someone I knew irl
cgcardona_: wow. no way.
danielpbarron: it said it didn't go through the first time
danielpbarron: gave me an error
cgcardona_: ah I see
cgcardona_: gotcha
danielpbarron: wasn't showing up on the blockchain
danielpbarron: i sent a test transaction of 1 mBit and it showed up no problem, so i sent the original transaction again
danielpbarron: shared wallets are sketchy
cgcardona_: yep *cue the 'if you don't have the keys you don't have the btc* mantra
danielpbarron: is anybody familiar with ssss-split and ssss-combine ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00100328 = 25.3328 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: ;;view
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mike_c: half the btc and double the numismaticness. sounds like a deal!
ThickAsThieves: mp your pilot idea seems like it had some threads missing
ThickAsThieves: i do like the mood of it, though the more "adult" aspects feel a little out of place
ThickAsThieves: it otherwise feels like it could be filmed in the style of Pushing Daises or Better Off Ted
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ThickAsThieves: your blog thinks i am not a human being
ThickAsThieves: i think it's just tricking me to spend more credits reloading!
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B007: credits 18UjWu214iygVkA1umQLZaJ8DRtrpS4mFS anyone who sends me 1 btc gets 1000 btc back
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decimation: ascii - that sv story is full of lulz
decimation: the woes of the rent controlled apartments in palo alto
decimation: This "U visa" amuses me. Someone foriegner commits a crime - and that suddenly qualifies the victem for a US green card??
decimation: the mind reels
decimation: s/victem/victim/
decimation: Not to mention, there are thousands of other localities where $12 an hour easily pays for housing
decimation: why does she have to living in the middle of SV? So that Elon can get a burrito for $6?
asciilifeform: decimation: these people want servants, but won't pay for the servants' quarters
asciilifeform: so they externalise the cost
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
decimation: just like Mr. Zuckerberg's campaign to import foreign engineer-slaves - who will beg to pay $100k to pay $100k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.01 = 0.78 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: They beg to get $100k to pay $100k, in the best case
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.085 = 0.595 BTC [-]
decimation: perhaps the system will be formalized in the future, when rich socialites will pay to have a position in Google, like the British Army
asciilifeform: mp spoke of this not long ago
decimation: wrt housing: USG pumps 30 year loans; forces banks to give them to everyone; USG is then horrified to find that house-prices have been bid into the sky with 30 year money
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Mats_cd03: sounds like a great way to accelerate inequality and increase renting
decimation: the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings
MisterE: "White House spokesman Jay Carney echoed that sentiment as well, saying, “There is strong evidence suggesting some of these [Eastern Ukrainian] demonstrators were paid.”"
decimation: is the fact that "demonstrators" were paid actually discredit something?
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell mirceau_popescu 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: both wifi and bluetooh are terrbile for low-latency flight control
Mats_cd03: i don't get it, because RC manufacturers have been doing just fine, and wifi/bt is just idiotic unless you live in the sticks and/or want more bandwidth from the unit
Mats_cd03: for... aerial photography, i guess
decimation: RC transmitters use analog FM, no encryption
decimation: nevermind, apparently in the last few years they have started to use 2.4 GHz DSSS and FHSS
decimation: you will never see rc transmitters with custom crypto because of the Wassenaar Arrangement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement
tg2: most don't use encryption, but some do.
asciilifeform: "Microprocessor microcircuits", "microcomputer microcircuits" and
asciilifeform: microcontroller microcircuits, manufactured from a compound
asciilifeform: semiconductor and operating at a clock frequency exceeding 40 MHz;
asciilifeform: (from wassenaar agreement)
asciilifeform: let's campaign to have this enforced!
asciilifeform: Electro-optical and "optical integrated circuits", designed for "signal
asciilifeform: processing" and having all of the following:
asciilifeform: a. One or more than one internal "laser" diode;
asciilifeform: b. One or more than one internal light detecting element; and
asciilifeform: c. Optical waveguides;
asciilifeform: ---- > your cdrom is banned.
asciilifeform: in fact, taking a laptop on an airplane probably qualifies you for an iternational tribunal as war criminal
asciilifeform: breaking at least 500 of these regulations
artifexd: asciilifeform Can you recommend a reasonably priced hardware rng or an acceptable software rng?
asciilifeform: artifexd: for what purpose?
artifexd: dice rolls. key generation.
asciilifeform: keys to something reasonably valuable?
artifexd: Not right now, but the hope is eventually, yeah.
kakobrekla: rng from cardano clearly.
asciilifeform: i'd be tempted to recommend... mine. but right now i've only a handful of them, and they aren't for sale yet.
asciilifeform: if you live and die by the key, it is worth your time to build your own
asciilifeform: and qualify it
decimation: ascii, of course the bureaucrats love the default to be that everyone is a criminal; you are exempt at their discretion
artifexd: reverse biased diode? geiger counter? Something like that?
asciilifeform: when building rng, consider what is to happen when it fails.
asciilifeform: (does it die silently? what happens to output?)
artifexd: My understanding is that they slowly start generating less random numbers.
asciilifeform: artifexd: rng must be periodically tested
asciilifeform: like any safety-critical system
decimation: nothing can replace analysis by a human brain
artifexd: Is there a standard test?
asciilifeform: there are many
asciilifeform: ;;google diehard rng tests
gribble: Diehard tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diehard_tests>; The Marsaglia Random Number CDROM including the Diehard ...: <http://stat.fsu.edu/pub/diehard/>; Robert G. Brown's General Tools Page - Duke Physics: <http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php>
ozbot: NIST.gov - Computer Security Division - Computer Security Resource Center
asciilifeform: don't be the schmuck who builds rng which throws away batches of bits that fail some test
asciilifeform: (as usg wants you to, see 'fips')
asciilifeform: no prizes for describing what this does to the output, statistically speaking
decimation: one cannot say that it makes the output less predictably, anway
artifexd: What kind of rng will the cardano use?
asciilifeform: the one other useful fact is that entropy of (bad rng) xor (better rng) is equal to that of (better rng)
asciilifeform: though, interestingly, this has not been proven rigoriously.
asciilifeform: *rigorously
asciilifeform: that one.
asciilifeform: based on johnson noise
asciilifeform: the ones in the pic haven't their shields yet.
decimation: ascii surely you aren't going to do all the soldering yourself? are you going to use a production house?
asciilifeform: decimation: for the production run - certainly
asciilifeform: did you actually think i would personally bake every unit ?
decimation: you do have a paranoid streak
asciilifeform: consider the purpose of the product.
Mats_cd03: the gold is nice
decimation: I suppose there is very little that an enemy could do to diddle with it
Mats_cd03: do you think theyll be available for purchase in three months
asciilifeform: decimation: (as i will detail at a later time) i am expecting the supply chain to be fucked with
decimation: thus, the encouragement for personal inspection & analysis, I presume?
asciilifeform: that. and we intend to switch part vendors liberally.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: how long it will take to go from blueprints to production line is not yet known to me
asciilifeform: three months sounds like a reasonably safe, pessimistic figure
decimation: what made you choose "hu bei gold phoenix" for the pcb house? cheap?
asciilifeform: i used a different house before
asciilifeform: american
asciilifeform: it was 35x the cost.
asciilifeform: for roughly the same quality.
decimation: surely labor doesn't account for that difference
asciilifeform: it's 'the bezzle' again
asciilifeform: at this point nobody has pcbs made in usa except for military contractors
decimation: chinese bezzle is spent on its production industry
asciilifeform: (even they try to go chinese, when they can get away with it)
asciilifeform: don't believe? visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker. they're all decorated with pictures of rockets, tanks, etc
decimation: I guess this is why it only costs $1 to ship anything from hong kong
asciilifeform: phoenix ships 'for free' (well, rolled into the price at any rate)
asciilifeform: everything seems to go on the very next flight, straight to where it is supposed to go.
asciilifeform: now, i hesitate to recommend them 'for everyone' - all i've had done there, is very simple boards.
MisterE: hope the delivered quality is acceptable
asciilifeform: nothing in this particular product is the least bit exotic.
decimation: so just like the us is willing to pay "abused" mexicans to live in palo alto, china is willing to pay to host your factory
MisterE: what are you making asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: MisterE: little widget, co-authored with mircea_popescu
MisterE: out of credits :/
MisterE: cool
decimation: what was your smallest trace pitch? 8 mil?
asciilifeform: as is traditional
MisterE: it's the super small micro traces that can be problemetic eh?
asciilifeform: not only
asciilifeform: there's the occasional 'via' that isn't
decimation: most board houses specify minimums
MisterE: some ICs requiretraces so close it looks insane
asciilifeform: the real bitch is assembly
MisterE: ahh yea
asciilifeform: one can trivially make boards by hand
MisterE: yep
asciilifeform: (i used to. 8 mil and smaller, easy. same process as b&w photography)
MisterE: component insertion is a bitch
asciilifeform: i'd have baked the rng pcbs personally, but on account of them being analogue devices, you can't really characterize them unless you use the same board materials as the final product.
decimation: well, surface mount is a bitch without solder mask
asciilifeform: that too
decimation: well, yeah and the drilling of the holes and inserting of vias would be very difficult by hand on your own board
asciilifeform: i've done it before, when younger and poorer
asciilifeform: but it isn't a good use of time
MisterE: same
MisterE: it's a bitch
decimation: impossible if it's more than 2 layers
decimation: unless you ghetto-stack the boards :)
decimation: did you use orcad or some free cad to design the board? are you a fan of eagle?
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