lobbesbot: PeterL: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: is there a process to get voiced in #pizarro?
mod6: Thank you, Sir. I appreciate the invoice.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all for posting $subj, this way minigame can just use it rather than make yet-another-new-one
asciilifeform had nfi their face were this level of... round
mircea_popescu: ima install traffic stops in the dungeon.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2018/best-in-the-world/#comment-126692 << LOL unintentional entertainment
asciilifeform: then diana_coman may find it useful, i'ma hurry up & genesis ( realistically tomorrow posted. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman and mircea_popescu can read and use if they like it, i'ma genesis
a111: Logged on 2018-09-16 15:41 diana_coman: overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, the middle english word for "raise awareness" would be... animadverting.
diana_coman: as I dig into them deeper, I shall know! lol
mircea_popescu: how are you going to handle the weird data models implied by teh nutty syscalls in an ada proggy ?
diana_coman: sure, but what's the point in wrapping a c call in more c code, I'm not sure I follow what you have in mind
diana_coman: if it's c, there's no need for a wrapper
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but would the wrapper be c or ada ?
mircea_popescu: half the fucxking manual on recv deals with a) spurious extra prototypes and b) data size definition soup.
mircea_popescu: "According to POSIX.1-2001, the msg_controllen field of the msghdr structure should be typed as socklen_t, but glibc currently types it as size_t. " and other joys of the c world.
diana_coman: I don't know what an "ada system call" is, to answer that question; my aim is indeed to wrap them in one place so that everything else makes ada calls and doesn't care
mircea_popescu: more specifically : what exactly is the limit of the "c-ness" of the system calls ? can we pretend they're ada system calls until they are ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it would still wrap recv and send at the very least
mircea_popescu: diana_coman would this be written in ada then ?
diana_coman: for lulz from the above code: -- Return highest numbered socket (what does this refer to???)
diana_coman: overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
diana_coman: moreover, the thin layer is in principle internal to gnat.sockets so it's not even meant to be directly used from outside (compiler will throw a warning though nothing worse than that afaik)
diana_coman: while initially I considered using this thin layer, on a deeper look at it, I don't like it; here is the code of it: https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__ads.htm and https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__adb.htm
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850437 -> following on from this, I had a look in more detail at the code for gnat.sockets; my conclusion is that gnat.sockets has as main contribution the streams + forcing the weird dance with types; underlying gnat.sockets is the "thin layer" that essentially wraps the system's C functions for sockets
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in alt coins, "Super Male Vitality is the result of ancient wisdom reinterpreted over several years in the light of modern equipment and analysis."
mircea_popescu: ah if only it were 1998 again, how bien trouve shit like "hip-adjacent" would catch wings and fly! what a "dank meme" it'd have been, back before they had a word for it.
mircea_popescu: internet "of today" runs into internet of 1990s : maddox saying "the obvious" that "nobody wants to hear", inexplicably enough nobody gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, "Using slang you didn't come up with isn't a substitute for having a personality. And that's the Internet in a nutshell today: a bunch of vapid morons trying to be cool by parroting phrases back and forth to each other. It's meme language, and just like people use memes as a substitute for their inability to tell a joke or make a cogent statement, people use this type of language to seem hip-adjacent
mircea_popescu: "and the rest will follow" ?
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-15#1850574 << I also made a keccak implementation, but it needs some tests to verify it is consistent with the standard and then I should make a gensis vpatch for it
mircea_popescu: ds and at Holloman. With the capabilities of modern electronics and batteries, it's possible that such a system wouldn't even need to be hard wired. "
mircea_popescu: lol, "It seems more plausible that a foreign operative or an operative working on a foreign government's behalf might have been able to install an antenna/sensor apparatus onto the top of a structure that is part of the facility and within line-of-sight of the valley below without anyone noticing. This could allow them to persistently gather electronic intelligence on whatever might be happening on, around, and over White San
BingoBoingo: With another headline: "Autora de "Cómo matar a tu marido" es acusada de matar a su marido"
BingoBoingo: And in other local politics https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-ejercito-sancionara-al-militar-que-decidio-tocar-la-marcha-tres-arboles--2018915213151
BingoBoingo: Right now I am working on a lessons learned for the next Republican pioneers, most of which based on contemplation of the now concerns the humble backpack
BingoBoingo: There's some other things to get to first, but a second edition should be doable sometime this year
mircea_popescu: http://bingology.net/2016/01/24/the-theoretical-foundation-of-social-engineering-practice/ << ftr this isn't even half bad ; BingoBoingo consider re-writing like a 2nd edition of it ? in light of accumulating experience ?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, "The habit of producing the "OK" symbol also happens to be many Anglophones" -> ????
Mocky: but i like on that page how even the sidebar headlines have tldr;
mircea_popescu: there;s worse fates.
mircea_popescu: "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." <<->> "As you can imagine, large files may give you ample time to draw a bath" or something.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-15 01:48 mircea_popescu: esthlos "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." whynot ?
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, the keccak. do me a favour and say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-15#1850556 << just because it will take a while. should work just fine. else we'll drown in refwork.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850507 -> that's the first version of the protocol; current, updated version is on trilema: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/
BingoBoingo: If you already know its there the size of Metropilis, Illinois isn't going to pack much of a punch
mircea_popescu: irony of ironies : there exists such a place as "grand Island", nebraska.
mircea_popescu: esthlos "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." whynot ?
mircea_popescu: apparently the heavens above don't think so very much of this miami-led cvasi-"independence" they got.
mircea_popescu: in other local lulz, costa rica's independence day celebration postponed for cause of heavy rain.
Mocky: I'm working on a laptop hooked up to a 4k tv, so every time the power cycles I end up sitting listening to the neighborhood AC units powering down until my tv comes back.
lobbes: Mocky: yeah, I'm waiting for the power grid to start faffing about over here too. So far though, ~0 effects felt from the old 'cane
BingoBoingo: Ah, just have to worry about the local utility grunts knocking out your power now. Keep the camp stove and baked beans on standby
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 21:51 Mocky: need to make some friends in the local halal markets
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 21:46 BingoBoingo: Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 21:45 Mocky: seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850520 << yes but mis'r (egypt) is the tv arabic.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the camwhoring economics are described here http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/
BingoBoingo: I think the dude chatted with the girl, kept appointments, and then imported her if I remember right
BingoBoingo: You could also see if there's some camho's that want a stable appointment. iirc that's how shinohai learned spanish
Mocky: need to make some friends in the local halal markets
Mocky: census data claims that the zipcode where I live has the highest concentration of arabs in the state, which if you do the math is ~700
asciilifeform: Mocky: asciilifeform at one time worked for a d00d who spoke the palestinian dialect. he griped that on trips to e.g. riyard he was scoffed at 'like if spoke alabama english in nyc'
BingoBoingo: Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
Mocky: seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
BingoBoingo: Mocky: What you need is a live speaker that is also interesting to the eyes
asciilifeform: Mocky: very difficult ( at least i found ) to grasp the phonology without a live speaker.
Mocky: i already like that there's no capitalization. i need to find a native speaker
asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform forgot that you already had the protocol. then you do not need any of this, indeed.
diana_coman: at any rate, from server's point of view, it doesn't care - it will answer to legitimate messages and that is that; it's more of a client concern and up to them how they handle that i.e. indeed pretty much how long they wait/when do they consider server unreachable and what they do
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it might help to read the protocol perhaps?
asciilifeform: anyway there is prolly >1 sane way to do this.
asciilifeform: the salt, goes in the cipherola payload, so gets switched out in erry round. ( given as you have a trng, this is not an exorbitant entropy expense )
asciilifeform: ( anybody lacking the secretsalt and currentkey, sees simply 512byte of rng )
asciilifeform: ideally these will not be distinguishable by any third party from any other type of packet.
asciilifeform: ( a reply here, in turn, is not the idjit tcp 'ack', but a packet containing hash(currentsecretsalt + prevpacket) + cipherola-to-current-key , i.e. can only have been generated by the box on the other end, and can only be authenticated by yours
asciilifeform: the only adjustable knob becomes , how long to wait for an expected reply before pronouncing the connection 'dead', and that's it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if one receives an old (i.e. not currently expected ) packet ( e.g. straggler from a previous round ) it gets rejected in the same way as any other rubbish.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Package is in the mail
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the simplest way i thought of to finesse the reordering thing is simply to run synchronously ( i.e. at no point does sender send a new packet unless old one replied; if there's no reply, sender retries a certain # of times, and if still silence, declares the connection broken )
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850460 -> sounds good; glad I published this stuff now rather than later!
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850448 -> yes, unreliable but that's not the concern at this level
phf: theoretically, i think it was whatever gnat came with openbsd packages, since that was easiest thing to spin up on the machine in question.
asciilifeform: ( good chance to test just how portable is the latter )
asciilifeform: but since phf has a bigendian gnat, could theoretically build ave1's
asciilifeform: ( imho what we need is the canonical ave1 gnat, on bigendian )
trinque: don't have a gnat built for them yet
asciilifeform: observe that 'address bytes only via word slides' worx even if you shat on one endianism and ate on other.
asciilifeform: and btw for so long as one either a) refrains from bytewise addressing, period or b) addresses bytes of a word via b0 := W and 0xFF, b1 := shr(W, 8) and 0xFF, b2 := shr(W, 16) and 0xFF , ... , etc -- you dun create endianism problem.
asciilifeform: ( given as you never operate on anyffing that came down the wire without passing checksum )
mircea_popescu: iirc we even had a discussion re standardizing a byte order ; though from the fact that i don't recall the results i take it i got shown broken cats.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:30 asciilifeform: ( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did erdos put it, 'first you forget to unzip after piss, then to unzip ~before~, and only ~then~ your own theorems'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 13:38 asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
asciilifeform: nao, you'll prolly want to queue the incomings, but imho thats outside the scope of this thread
asciilifeform: it's how i did the cmdline thing ( earlier linked )
asciilifeform: ( you let it emit precisely e.g. 512byte into a preallocated buffer that never moves ; the ip it came from, into a 32bit , and that's it )
asciilifeform: imho there's no particular shame in wrapping an os call that doesn't have possibility of overflows
asciilifeform: diana_coman: then you may want to wrap unix recv() as i described ( can use my mmap example )
asciilifeform: but for certain things 'stream' is actually the correct abstraction (e.g. the variable-length tx in classical btc block)
diana_coman: supporting windows in not a requirement; whoever wants to support it is free to make their own implementation of the protocol anyways
asciilifeform: they baked this sad into file i/o also ( hence how it shows up in 'horsecocks' )
diana_coman: hm, so basically there might be something to "only tcp on gnat.sockets" after all since they baked this assumption in the...implementation of gnat.sockets themselves??
asciilifeform: sorta like the idjicy of gnat's builtin unix cmdline handling
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm also still unsure *why* exactly would I need streams; I can see it perhaps on client side if one wants to implement streams on top of udp basically to add checks/re-send or whatever they want to do but that is no concern of the protocol itself
asciilifeform: supposedly will arrive by end of next wk ( in practice, whoknows, iirc the last shot was 1 week of postage and 5 of orc customs )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
asciilifeform: ( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
asciilifeform: ( afaik udp doesn't give guarantees of integrity, at least on all systems, so you're stuck with embedding checksum even if you weren't doing crypto authentications )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 12:38 diana_coman: re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
asciilifeform: to round out thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850330 << in my orig udp attempt, i dispensed with the traditional 'gotta be in network byte order (tm)' doctrine, in favour of 'if packet doesn't pass muster, THEN flip the endianism and try again 1ce'
asciilifeform: ( tho will add, ada Strings actually work with arbitrary garbage, given as they do not use the idiot c 'null termination' paradigm )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 12:37 diana_coman: as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850327 >> they are, see e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L43 example
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << i'll add to this, that i've been to hobo encampments and found them to be... ~substantially~ cleaner and better organized than the 'open sores' atrocities. i suspect that the shitgnomatic level of horror is only found in dilapidated third world psych wards where inmates live in own shit.
asciilifeform: ( the appeal of 'own gnatsockets' is similar to that of what i did with mmap : adacore's implementation is quite obese on acct of handling winblowz and other broken os )
asciilifeform: then again if you write 'own gnatsockets' you would have to do what i did for 'horsecocks' mmap system and actually handle all possible unix eggogs (granted there are not many of these for udp)
asciilifeform: so in this model you'd have 2 routines, 1 which takes a port, listens on it, and comes back 'someday' with a 512byte buffer fulla packet and the originator ip ; and another that eats a 512byte buffer and a dest ip, and returns immediately.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: incidentally, i was initially quite unsure re the wisdom of using the streams. but they are part of the standard and do appear to work as described. however for your application it isn't even clear to me that you need'em , could simply call out to unix's socket routine and get octet array of fixed length (e.g. 512byte) to work on.
asciilifeform: ( i had'em in the 1st drafts of ffa, then abolished , they interfere with proper compartmentalization )
asciilifeform: the only lang feature that gets in the way of this partitioning is 'generics', but iirc diana_coman did not use these anywhere
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and incidentally ( as you prolly already discovered ) you can keep the restrictive flags, on the subset of the coad that doesn't use tasking. ( and this applies in general )
a111: Logged on 2016-04-06 15:49 asciilifeform: ada tasks, afaik, is the only sane implementation of parallelism where you ~never~ specify explicit thread
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 01:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg and http://aaronrogier.net/fanback.jpg Please gpggram a destination for the sticks
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 33 minutes ago: <lobbes_phone> next time you're in the btcbase/patches boiler room, plox to add http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/logbot_command_router_python-genesis/ to 'bot' section?
phf: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=smg-comms and http://btcbase.org/patches/smg_comms_genesis (i found the sig in /vpatches/)
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw i do not yet have a working heathen toolchain ( other than what shipped on the box ) either
asciilifeform: phf: this was on the off chance that you had a working replacement rom image. ( if you don't yet -- thing won't do you much good atm )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 04:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848612 << was at sea, but i was also keeping up with the logs (much better in flight entertainment!), i'll take the pill, but not sure i'll have the immediate use for it beyond ogling. i'm having a hard time recreating even the max-heathen environment that will simply reproduce the google stack as is
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 10 hours, and 44 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
phf: diana_coman: hey, the smg.comms genesis sig link is not resolving
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :
asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
asciilifeform: hmm, loox like i ~did~ glue'em, but the glued model definitely not ready for primetime.
asciilifeform: i then wrote the mmap thing, with aim to bake the 'reads and stores blox , then O(1) tx retrieval' demo, but never got a chance to glue the two together
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re streams, you may find the 'buf_streams' item in horse.tar.gz interesting
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; re-reading that thing - I guess the Scalar_Storage_Order looks promising, I'll dig a bit deeper into it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently i am lacking a bigendian iron (or a gnat for such) so never got a chance to truly and properly test endianism conversion (as for ffa, it is endian-insensitive, but this is simple where there is no networking)
diana_coman: I've found that and gave it a first pass but I didn't quite see how to use it for my problem; it's on the list of refs at any rate, so I'll get to re-read it
asciilifeform: https://www.adacore.com/gems/gem-140-bridging-the-endianness-gap << possibly useful item re endianism
diana_coman awaits for the "brb, tea"
diana_coman: I recall a link to examples in ada; fwiw I think they are even gone from that link at least; was that "nqb"?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: did you ever see the 'nqb' item asciilifeform posted in '17 ? had various imho good examples of operations on streams
diana_coman: I was just thinking I might have missed something crucial there
diana_coman: also: I'm open to any corrections to that thing there, including any slamming of the sort "this is horrible, wtf, do it THIS way!!"
asciilifeform: ( and i didn't get a chance to finish the whole thing, was right when i picked up ffa )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 12:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850323 << i have a proggy, but it dun seem like i ever published the item, so diana_coman will have to count as 1st
mircea_popescu: anywya, great reads this morning! the republic prevails!
diana_coman: re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
diana_coman: honestly it *seems* to me that's the case, yes; but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it
diana_coman: as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/#selection-111.394-111.513 << this'll have to change though, there's no way it can work out like that
mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
mircea_popescu: the problem with socialists is and remains http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818526 ; they'll always find something "that doesn't exist" to dump into, and in the case of computer systems it generally is state.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 05:07 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850292 << because nobody fucking considered the matter before.
trinque: I'll be thrilled when I watch emerge build someone's vmerge, and then remove itself as last act.
diana_coman: last time I tried to figure out exactly what is what and where re portage I ran out of time to disentangle the mess, so I'll be very happy indeed to not have to go back to that
trinque: but the deps are all lined up there; that's the whole system. when it rebuilds itself, done.
trinque: I wager this is because the item in profile that sets IUSE ought to have overridden instead of appended.
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qJ69u/?raw=true << current output of emerge -v @world . few things yet jacked in the portage profile, which sets/unsets things like that userland_GNU use flag.
trinque: can then pluck ebuilds from their tree as needed, produce a vpatch, and include in the cuntoo repo
trinque: rationale behind bothering with the repository system is to let the legacy gentoo ebuild repository coexist with the vtronic repository, in exactly the same way as "overlays" do now with the gentoo repo
trinque: not only was there /etc/portage/repos.conf to define repositories, but also /usr/share/portage/config/repos.conf, and apparently creating one in /etc does not knock out the defaults in /usr
trinque: aaand just built a working nano from the ebuild in /cuntoo/portage, having no other ebuild repositories in system, and no barfs from emerge.
trinque: and it's plainly obvious by now that the kind of autistic mind that produces these tangled trees does so to attempt to exhaust the judging eye
trinque has scripts in progress to flatten the profile tree into a single profile, where it can be inspected and therefore judged.
trinque: work carries on, just wanted to give word from the mineshaft
trinque: and this is just the broad overview. in /usr/portage/profile there's what, tens of layers of dependency nesting. in some cases the children override the parent; in others they appear to append
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 14:18 asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg and http://aaronrogier.net/fanback.jpg Please gpggram a destination for the sticks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun have to be right now, can go in the morning. and when you do, also plz retrieve the 2 retired usb stix from dulap, they've been zero'd
BingoBoingo: Walmart was their altcoin
BingoBoingo: GAW was always cloud where customer is promised they never touch any object
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think the GAW thing intentionally aimed still lower
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He had the passably hot wife
a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 22:07 asciilifeform: gotta wonder, what precisely caps the lifespam of a garza-style op. my guess is that it was never +ev at any point, and d00d simply ran out of his usg-allotted 'capital' to pay the shills etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850262 << wasn't this the one with the passible hotwife ?
asciilifeform wonders how many of the still-operating garzas are aware of their ultimate purpose in the scheme
asciilifeform: it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened'
asciilifeform: btw BingoBoingo recall when the butterfly labs thing likewise came to an end, similarly
asciilifeform: iirc while pirate et al ran pyramids, garza ran the btc equiv of those oldtime scamolas where you mix magic snake oil into yer petrol tank
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like how the gavin-foundation ran through.
asciilifeform: *lifespan, but let's leave the typo in for effect!1
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, what precisely caps the lifespam of a garza-style op. my guess is that it was never +ev at any point, and d00d simply ran out of his usg-allotted 'capital' to pay the shills etc
BingoBoingo: True, I'll put "blog a GAW jizz mopping" retrospective in the hopper as medium priority
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wouldja happen to have a link to where the sentence ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i guess 1 usg.rubber only holds so-much jizz, handler finally slipped on a new one and threw garza into the bin
BingoBoingo: Extent of the freebies less certain. Before I left there were still "free dinner for listening" ads in the local ad rag
BingoBoingo: The time share thing still exists.
mircea_popescu: actually, the us has a direct implementation of the idea -- can take a free 2 week vacation in florida on premises of people who aim to sell you real estate.
asciilifeform: ^ where 'burning at the stake', guillotine, etc. were made available as ~paid~ service, for folx 'hungry for authentic'
mircea_popescu: so the reader can relive THIS much of the past, in an age when every other thing's as scarce as chairs in turn of the century china.
mircea_popescu: i should have thought of that! think alfie, a future world wherein all thart's left is nostalgia for the past. a past which is no longer accessible, except in the limited sense, that victorian novels about prim sad ladies have pages steeped in koch solution ; whereas italian fiction of the plague will gladly give you it.
asciilifeform: reader wants 'true bore' like he wants actual baccilae in the pages of story about plague.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but anyway, in the very success is the seed of failure : in that they weren't all that boring they weren't, after all, true bores. a true bore can drive women to murder, just as well as the http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/ can.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it draws the good writer like flame draws moths, this. what all is finnigan's wake than the attempt ? and the very aptly named "hunting for lost time"
mircea_popescu: that i'm the only one to have ever written a decent FEMALE version... well...
asciilifeform: i'll add however that the strugatskis (imho) pulled it off -- in 'snail on a hill', they had critters who think and speak in circles, and it was drawn lightly enuff so that it did not entirely permeate the yarn with snore
mircea_popescu: they're all oxford tales of found faith, yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/ < -- > http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/ < -- > Loss and Gain (linked above) relationship should be i believe readily obvious
asciilifeform: boredom is the 1 thing nobody wants, dun even have the equiv of the scatofetishist there.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem here is CANT.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-05 01:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake it's fascinating how they completely gloss over the part where one group (the scammers behind it) stole the resources of the rest of the people involved (every idiot that bought some, mined some, or pumped it up until two days ago)
mircea_popescu: (and the man one can't rely on to that is very much the very substance of the moron ; hence http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-05#480525 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of erry (?) kiddo's eventual q, 'why in these fairy tales nobody ever has to take a shit'
mircea_popescu: always ? well no, not ALWAYS. there's one exception, says tongue in cheek the man one can rely to give a fair account and sufficient treatment to exceptions.
mircea_popescu: the principal problem of literature, of course, is that it's always better to show than to tell.
mircea_popescu: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24574/24574-h/24574-h.htm << newman very much worth the read, as always.
mircea_popescu: nnot conquer. Hence it is clear that a bore cannot be represented in a story, or the story would be the bore as much as he. The reader, then, must believe this upright Mr. Bateman to be what otherwise he might not discover, and thank us for our consideration in not proving as well as asserting it."
mircea_popescu: was a pleasant, well-informed man; but when he never comes to an end, or has one and the same prose every time you meet him, or keeps you standing till you are fit to sink, or holds you fast when you wish to keep an engagement, or hinders you listening to important conversation,-- then there is no mistake, the truth bursts on you, apparent diræ facies, you are in the clutches of a bore. You may yield, or you may flee; you ca
mircea_popescu: "It is very difficult duly to delineate a bore in a narrative, for the very reason that he is a bore. A tale must aim at condensation, but a bore acts in solution. It is only on the long-run that he is ascertained. Then, indeed, he is felt; he is oppressive; like the sirocco, which the native detects at once, while a foreigner is often at fault. Tenet occiditque. Did you hear him make but one speech, perhaps you would say he
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_J._McMahon << in fairness, father prolly more the relevant figure. different quimby.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who's mcmahon << Trump's friend the Wildlife Federation guy
mircea_popescu: the pantsuited hilarity of ~this~ particular sect of dumbos.
mircea_popescu: "cultural marxism", right ? vince mcmahon, right up there, and EXACTLY AS MUCH as all the other zigglers, marxes, billy mays, engleses and whatnots of ye olde stupiditarian tradition.
mircea_popescu: as a result, a few people believe in the trinity, and a whole lot of truckers believe in the duality.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 15:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: '$64k question', famous. ( also remembered as the 1st and afaik last 'omfg it's rigged!' scandal, back when such a thing could possibly surprise anybody )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850166 << was huger and more recent "is wrestling tv show or sportive competition" debate. resolved, amusingly enough, through a doctrinal "diune essence", very much exactly like the "god is also son and passerine bird, same person" except "it's both staged and not staged"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was both -- constantly during the war foodstuffs were eaten, but less and less produced, thus dwindling their supply and increasing their rarity ; while pantsuit "currency" substitutes on paper were not eaten (nor accepted), but more and more produced, thus increasing their supply and destroying their only form of value.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's take this thread to #p, the #t log readers do not need to sift through the orcolade
BingoBoingo: There's a bunch of these, browsing through now https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/ventilador-usb#D[A:ventilador-usb]
asciilifeform: they not only exist, but will work immediately, with 0 solder
asciilifeform: and would entirely suffice for the purpose
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm moar than a little bit surprised that you found no usb-powered fans, they are pestilentially common even in souvenir shops over here
asciilifeform: considering that we've exhausted the spares
asciilifeform: tho i was hoping to get one blowing asap, to prolong the life of the installed sadsamsungs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite, unless there's more shops you want to look in ( or can get hold of a 12v brick and solder ) i'ma include blower in the order
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The particular vendor does not have fans. Other listing are "via Ebay" (i.e. unassisted import process) or feature 5v in the headline and 12v in the photo or specs
asciilifeform wonders, whether the gavin derp is still on the stage, or fully retired nao. i dun follow heathendom closely enuff to know