mircea_popescu: this is not some "stylistical take", either. it is FACTUAL. exactly in the same manner of ring binder http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429394 discussion :
mircea_popescu: i'm currently connected through the internet through sheer force of will, and there's a tcp thing trying to rape this.
mircea_popescu: all through the attempt the question would be "why did you expect martian poop is culinary item" and i'd have no answer and it'd drive me mad.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does have the flavour of 'culinary shortcomings of dog shit' treatise, eh.
mircea_popescu: and i didn't write the lifestory of rms, and so on. not everyone is c s lewis.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-13 20:25 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787759 <-- a-ha, mystery solved! Trilema has a <div class="post"> child to <span id="shash-...">, so that portion of the script selects it when the child is not a text node (the nodeType==3 bit). thetarpit DOM tree is flatter and doesn't wrap the content in this additional div. NB, will keep it mind should performance ever prove to be an issue.
BingoBoingo: It also turns out default theme needs some poking to make the selection magic work as per spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787763
mircea_popescu: i'm not writing the "lifestory of linus", either. for the same exact reason -- who the fuck is he ?
mircea_popescu: "Discussion on how mircea_popescu does not like the new extension (v), as it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v" << this is so fucking cute. what's sensata-perceptible, bimbo ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ? << It isn't in the mpwp v-tree, no
mircea_popescu: hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've been on and off looking through for the past coupla weeks.
mircea_popescu: phf paste the spew ?
asciilifeform: ( and there's megatonnes of shit iceberg beneath the tip, look some time at an actual implementation... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the braindamage of tcp, iirc, is elaborated in buncha old threads
phf: my guess as to the issue is that the combination of flags required in order to bring up a "bootstrap" system has changed, bootstrap process produces a build that fails to stand on its own
phf: ave1: just fyi i punted on trying to get it operational on a "recent" linux. i hacked around the isystem issue, and ran into something else entirely downstream. also it is a "recent" linux issue, because it builds fine on as-heathen-as-it-gets centos 6.7 (2016 or so)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:23 asciilifeform: ( i.e. without the plaintext control messages, where any thirdparty derp can close your connection, infer contents via burst lengths, etc )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854293 << tcp is truly a worthless piece of crap. the more one looks at it, the more one doesn't want anyone involved with it anywhere near his shit.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:05 diana_coman: aha; meanwhile playing here with the dubious UY->UK direction and I'd say it's pretty clear that bursts of more than 50 packets or so increase packet loss visibly; I suppose this makes for a nice thing to look at specifically once I get one week of data or so
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 14:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to see a test where there is only 1 size, across various sizes, if possible
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 13:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know btw if you'd like to send me the sender and do a packet survival run to/from asciilifeformistan
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854241 <<< she;s gonna publish the code with the first batch of results, so anyone can / everyone's invited to replicate.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 12:30 diana_coman: uhm, correction re above since I messed up the pilot test earlier (sender sent 100 as shown, but receiver waited for only 50 and then turned off so not much use); updated pilot test with receiver properly looping forever and sender sending 100 packets: 81 of those made it; sender log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zs4p5/?raw=true ; receiver log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4qiPb/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854229 << ok this sounds more along expectations, (because "all made it" had me going wtf over here). so yeah, 80%ish sounds like we're finally in the right range, measuring something.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 11:13 diana_coman: following from the above: currently order and order-mismatches *can* be calculated at data analysis time based on the 2 logs; alternatively, I could add another 2 octets to the tester's own header to store an order number so receiver can also report directly any order-mismatch - not sure if that's worth it though, any thoughts on it?
asciilifeform: ( i.e. without the plaintext control messages, where any thirdparty derp can close your connection, infer contents via burst lengths, etc )
asciilifeform: ( upstack -- one of the wins from synchronous variant is that you never saturate the link )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, apparently there is also various sizes bursts
diana_coman: aha; meanwhile playing here with the dubious UY->UK direction and I'd say it's pretty clear that bursts of more than 50 packets or so increase packet loss visibly; I suppose this makes for a nice thing to look at specifically once I get one week of data or so
asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik, the remaining fundamental variants are 1) single-sized volleys, for various sizes 2) this, and the earlier variant, at max possible saturation
diana_coman: isn't this something more for next step at data analysis? (i.e. minus the two logs and highlight missing stuff)
asciilifeform: there is not afaik a carrier pigeon link in use somewhere.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, how can it know? i.e. they might come...later, no?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you set it display the ones that ~didn't~ make it
asciilifeform looks at the data from earlier
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to see a test where there is only 1 size, across various sizes, if possible
diana_coman: asciilifeform, any feedback re latest logs? anything else you'd want in there?
diana_coman: if/when they wait for specific replies
asciilifeform: possibly it it obvious algo. but wanted to put for the l0gz.
diana_coman: mod6, certainly; I'll wait pretty much for any feedback on it all and otherwise it's quite ready to run for a week or more (receiver always on, sender as some hourly cron taks)
asciilifeform: btw i'd like to share an old asciilifeform algo; not sure if directly applicable to diana_coman's proggy, but may come in handy: for synchronous packetron. to determine when to resend a packet, you wait time T; T is initially a pessimistic value, e.g. 800 msec; but once you start getting responses, you set it at all times to the ~minimal~ response delay observed thus far. and if reply wait exceeds T, you resend & restart the clock.
diana_coman: from the previous UK->UY run, here's the latest version of logs (new: counter so that order of packages can be followed more easily): sender log http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zktb9/?raw=true receiver log http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2YPqs/?raw=true
diana_coman: I wanted to run this because it mimics much closer eulora client<->server communications but otherwise might set up different end nodes
diana_coman: tbh if anything I start suspecting at most the router
mod6: any chance that the data got consolidated into less packets?
mod6: Ah. running tcpdump at all to log the traffic?
diana_coman: mod6, as far as I can tell they got lost in transit but I don't know *how close* to the machine itself (this UK machine is behind a router, I've set up port forwarding for it); basically atm the UK->UY vs UY->UK is pretty much client->server vs server-> client communication
mod6: the missing ones didn't hit the interface either? i.e. they were lost in transit, not once they hit your interface?
diana_coman: mod6, yes! onth a batch of 20 packets only rather than 100 made it fully
diana_coman: will do; I can think of a few other routes as well but possibly first have it run on one route for a while and then expand
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know btw if you'd like to send me the sender and do a packet survival run to/from asciilifeformistan
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma not distract then
diana_coman: logically speaking, one wouldn't expect them to be, no; the foggiest part atm for me is that interval from ~512 up to ~1500
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect that the % of surviving fragged packets will drop as you saturate the link ( with e.g. GB thrown at line speed )
diana_coman: uhm, correction re above since I messed up the pilot test earlier (sender sent 100 as shown, but receiver waited for only 50 and then turned off so not much use); updated pilot test with receiver properly looping forever and sender sending 100 packets: 81 of those made it; sender log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zs4p5/?raw=true ; receiver log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4qiPb/?raw=true
diana_coman: the pilot test is UK -> UY (same as yesterday's)
diana_coman: the last column in the receiver log is now a count of payload octets that are different from what is expected - if any such octets are observed, the receiver will log now their actual position + value in a different log file; so far I haven't seen any error of this type
diana_coman: for completeness, the logs from the new pilot test: sender log is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SdU8P/?raw=true and corresponding receiver log is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OXUWa/?raw=true
diana_coman: ftr tester sends as above payloads between 6 and 2048 rather than 0 and 2048 because the first 6 octets are the header part (things like size sent and time when sent)
diana_coman: following from the above: currently order and order-mismatches *can* be calculated at data analysis time based on the 2 logs; alternatively, I could add another 2 octets to the tester's own header to store an order number so receiver can also report directly any order-mismatch - not sure if that's worth it though, any thoughts on it?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 19:43 mircea_popescu: diana_coman it occurs to me the work might also be misspecced. anyone have serious objections to moving to 1-2048 down from 1-65536 ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-urban-rural-dichotomy-in-terms-of-the-cycles-of-power/ << Trilema - The urban-rural dichotomy in terms of the cycles of power
mircea_popescu: and no, most boxes speak 1mn:1 more to the net than to me. and if this weren't the case, i wouldn't keep 'em.
asciilifeform: ( lulzily i got sensors, uarts, etc on 10m nics all the while... on modern day switchen this worx without interfering )
asciilifeform: of course also got boxen pumping MB+/s to net, day an' night, and i ~like~ that they dun saturate the lan while so doing
asciilifeform: my boxen speak 9000x moar to each other , bitwise, than to net
asciilifeform: ( like all other critica
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854166 << i live under the impression this is automatic, just reg new key and v with old key
asciilifeform: i'ma bbl, then, meat queue overfloweth .
asciilifeform: verisimilitude has quit (Remote host closed the connection) << loox like he ran out of gas for the modem...
BingoBoingo: Informerly local news: https://www.bnd.com/news/politics-government/election/article218745425.html#storylink=hpdigest << I have met two of those derps from the experience of having met them.
verisimilitude: I'm having issues on my Thinkpad with it. I didn't have all of the software installed here.
trinque: verisimilitude: anyhow I wont mind swapping your key later if you want to generate one in more sanitary conditions later, provided you sign for me the new key with old.
BingoBoingo: Think of it this way, how many years have you kept your kidneys without losing them?
asciilifeform: ( don't lose the key )
verisimilitude: Oh; I don't have PGP on the Yeeloong; oh well.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: once rated, you'll be able to speak on own time, and other folx will read in log when they wake.
verisimilitude: I'd expect those this concerned would host their own IRC.
asciilifeform: drop the pub in p.bvulpes.com and !!register url
verisimilitude: I'd wager I could fit an MMC targeting the 6502 in 64K with only minimal bank switching for larger programs.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
mircea_popescu: beedog will replicate the politburo-computer.
verisimilitude: From my perspective, it would probably be easiest to collect several old home computers and make certain they produce identical results, to get reasonably reliable and trustworthy computing.
asciilifeform: and they'll be optically visible, through window, no less.
verisimilitude: If you have eight instructions, you're inevitably just going to have a large amount of meta-instructions all the same.
verisimilitude: I'm rather fond of Big-Endian CISC machines, but those are all rather dead nowadays.
mircea_popescu: well, in any case fitter for your prototyping needs as i can see them atm.
asciilifeform: in fact, quite likely i'ma bake it as soon as mircea_popescu blows the trumpet and decrees that it's time.
mircea_popescu: verisimilitude you might as well get one of the rks over in the republica oriental. arm boxes.
verisimilitude: There's bits of GNU, Linux, OpenBSD, Solaris, K&R C, and other nonsense strewn about; there's Perl programs generating MIPS assembler; C programs that clearly invoke undefined behavior and so only work by chance; and other such things.
verisimilitude: The boot firmware is awful, however.
verisimilitude: It's because I own this hardware that I intend for the first MMC targeting a ``real'' machine to target MIPS. I decided if I ever got one, I'd try to understand it well enough to run my own software directly on the bare metal and in the boot firmware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu rarely voices n00bs any moar these days.
verisimilitude: I suppose I can use the Yeeloong to generate a PGP key.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you'll really want to reg with deedbot if yer interested in further doings.
asciilifeform: over the years i tried to locate one, somewhere, for some money, 0 dice
verisimilitude: I've noticed only one result in the logs for ``yeeloong''.
asciilifeform: for roughly same purpose ( once in blue moon can pull it out and pretend the year is 1988 )
asciilifeform: there is ru proverb, 'a spoon is good at dinner time'
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 16:17 asciilifeform: here's a historical lul that mircea_popescu might find stimulating. asciilifeform ( and his brother, and a whole generation of folx ) grew up with a certain orc '100 bytes of ram, but hey it's fucking programmable' little box, http://www.alfredklomp.com/technology/mk-61 . and the Official b00k for it ( http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/G/GAYSHTUT_Aleksandr_Grigor'evich/_Gayshtut_A.G..html ) had various games (typically you had to draw on g
asciilifeform: i suspect verisimilitude will enjoy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822445 thread.
asciilifeform only ever built a +ver'd kernel when ran into a piece of i/o iron that could not be brought to life any other way
mircea_popescu: the entire http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/ stance relatively late in everyone's mind, kernels earlier.
asciilifeform: cant speak for others, but not i.
mircea_popescu: no, typically folks dragged by the please-upgrade.php.rss
mircea_popescu: but if this is not so, i'd much rather find out sooner than later.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 23:24 trinque: the kernel in current cuntoo is 4.9.95, by virtue solely of being when I took the snapshot
asciilifeform: there's another, larger one, if you want to use the hdmi display thing, but i dun use it anywhere
asciilifeform: the only binball is that coupla kB of ddr ram init thing.
asciilifeform: linus et al diddled the api repeatedly.
mircea_popescu: you compiled these though ? or binball ?
asciilifeform: not as-they-are, no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, them little pogolike things, have entire constellation of entirely non-pclike subdevices
mircea_popescu: im willing to bet nothing worth the mention was added since 2.6 that can't be added in an improved format to great gain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspected the kernel thing will be uphill.
asciilifeform: 'The SHUT-IT-DOWN Common Lisp Library' << notbad name.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: then will be able to speak and come into perma-relation with other people.
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/SjWP7 << amusingly, there's a very similar wankfest, missing the s.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ever read the #trilema logs ? or just this minute found it
mircea_popescu: how did you come across the forum anyway ?
mircea_popescu: well, as to the specific question, this "mmc" item will require some looking.
verisimilitude: It's homoiconic with the = function.
asciilifeform: what's the diff ?
asciilifeform: 'The Masturbation Language' loox like stock unmodded classical 'brainfuck'
verisimilitude: I didn't write the game, but I did write that document.
verisimilitude: I call this Meta-Machine Code (MMC) and the article detailing it in general is here:
verisimilitude: For the past several years I'd had the idea of a machine code development tool in my mind and for over a year now I've been working to breathe life into it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno doing what ; even something like the ssh census worked fine on 100mb interface.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, have you measured any of those gb nics you run, how often they actually gb ?
mircea_popescu: im altogether uncertain what one gains by replacing ~2005 iron with 2010-2020 iron, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: in any case, served a lot of trilema over the years.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the oldest i have on currently serving box anywhere is 3.8.8
trinque: asciilifeform: what's the word on this "speculative execution" thing? dun matter?
asciilifeform: 4.9.76 on dulap, and slightly earlier iirc in rk branch ( will have to maintain at least these 2 forks , i suspect )
asciilifeform: likewise it is time for folx to go over their iron and nominate driverolade that they believe ought to live.
asciilifeform: trinque, mircea_popescu , et al : asciilifeform, in light of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578 etc , has been thinking of genesising the kernel. prolly not tonight or tomorrow, but in near fyootoor. if anyone has particular desires ( & optionally, justification ) for particular ver becoming The Last and cemented, would like to hear about it.
mircea_popescu: much like just because we have penicillin dun mean tb gave up and left the planet.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:13 asciilifeform: even per this 'logic', seems like there's a loose end -- so, ok, they sell, SELL, only. bags of benjies -- go in. ~then~ wat.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853684 << just because mercantilism got killed in the 1600s dun mean the sort of brains that naturally spawn mercantilism as a state-of-the-art mentality stopped being poopped.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853678 << it's just the cunt signal, "what to do instead of whoring if you're a hottie teenager"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:07 BingoBoingo: International marketing, networking, and the usual bread and butter. There's an advertisement station in front of the closed zoo that they seem to favor.
asciilifeform: whether shitoshi could or not see past own bellybutton, can be debated 4evah
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 16:15 asciilifeform: and theoretically if the cartel births '9000' new sybils, it will force the use of something like my algo, whether anyone wants to or not, the layer of sibylade would become undrillable in its absence . but this is admittedly a stretch.
asciilifeform: rright, i observed that the situation could be forced into being very inexpensively, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853644
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 17:00 BingoBoingo: Oh, they'll flat out say Uruguay is a poor country
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i take it you dun suppose the miners thing , upthread, will be serious boojum ? ( or should i wait for mircea_popescu to eat log )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853649 << entirely usg's desperation. they're losing preminence/getting locked out of markets at a shocking rate for a "world power" not defeated in war.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853635 << the universal problem with "progress" in a functional world -- it manages to turn to shit.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-31 12:12 mircea_popescu: say something like : every bad block received, -10 points. every minute where connection is kept at 80% of its allocated bw or over, 1 point. every hour score decays 1% towards 0, be it either positive or negative.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-31 12:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << i would like to see a patch which maintains VALUED list of other nodes.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 20:33 mircea_popescu: otherwise it is discarded. B.T may be pruned (according to arbitrary address list, for instance). Rate limiting in TRB.N may be constructed to observe N.B items that fail to propagate to B.B and ban the originating peers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595770 << alluded to in the more specified TRB.B/TRB.N prototype design.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-31 03:13 mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
mircea_popescu: infuriatingly enough, i can't find it now. but the discussion was exactly along the same lines, "add user-configurable penalty for communicating shitblocks (any block that isn't the one you were looking for) and any other misbehaviour ; and used-configurable bonus for communicating useful things ; then user-configurable knob for lowest-tolerable-score and ban peers who fall under"
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 22:07 mircea_popescu: now, the historical solutionb to the problem, as well as perhaps a workable solution here, is the intrinsic oracle. if user relays txn to a node WHO MAKES A PROMISE (such as for instance "the txn will be included before block n" ?) then the nodes can be scored by their oracle value ("what he said turned out true!) and suddenly you have a more meaningful node market.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619483 << one item, somewhat related, not the item sought though. (this is to tightnen miner-node paths)
asciilifeform: iirc was one of the moar recent 'trb-i' mircea_popescu threads
asciilifeform: ( but as it is, we also have a wild animal, in the mix, called miner, and its immediate ecosystem )
asciilifeform: right, this'd be immediately practical if the net consisted of wot'd folx an' their boxen
asciilifeform: ( $thread was specifically re puzzler of how -- and if -- to sort nodes ~not~ known to be operated by wot'd humans. rather than ' asciilifeform's wires ' and related experiment )
mircea_popescu: but yes, this is the other half -- need to bake trb nodes that won't get insta-banned by wot-trb on sight because they spew garbage
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 15:25 asciilifeform: mod6: my main hesitation re the item is that it may be 'plugging wrong end of funnel', quite possibly no such gymnastics would be necessary if we simply had a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853143 and always --addnode'd the actually useful nodes, rather than relying on pure chance
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853601 << this seems so to me. how about we wot the trb, rather than iptables it.
asciilifeform: ( and i indeed suspect that no pentagon ww3 planner planned for anyffing like the current level of breakage, at that )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha.. the amazing thing isn't that 'x,y,z are broken' but that any part still worx..
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 14:58 asciilifeform: ( this braindamaged design decision goes, as one might expect, back to the olden days when homo redditus was not yet on the net and 'arpa' designed for nukefest-related problems, not against 'ddos' )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853590 << quite. what a nuke the "empowerment"'s turned out to be.
BingoBoingo: It's like those nature documentary nile river crossing scenes with the crocs in miniature
BingoBoingo: All the time. Snapping turtles love ducklings
mircea_popescu: nearly fell over itself sideways trying to GET THE FUCK OUT OMFG OMFG
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-26#1386298 << speaking of which : 124 gram duckling recognizes the cork of a bottle of guatemalan rum with a hair tie around it as DOOM ON FUCKING WHEELS.
asciilifeform: yea as i understand diana_coman already has the knobs, can turn'em when she wakes up
asciilifeform: conceivably , on some really sad gsm modem somewhere, or the like, it will be 508.
asciilifeform: nao, according to the talmud, max guara-nonfrag udp is 508. but this , this oughta be seen.
asciilifeform: ( i predict that any frag at all will give loss that cancels out the win from using heavy packets. but nobody should take my word for it, test, test )
mircea_popescu: but the ideais, ARE we interested in a sliver of data re that ?
asciilifeform: fwiw ethernet mtu is 1500
asciilifeform: at any rate, 1500 appears to be the ceiling.
asciilifeform: but prolly not worth the cycles
mircea_popescu: trinque my servers do the ~same
asciilifeform: loox like even this basic util, will have to go in cuntoo from asciilifeform's ( or trinque's ) vintage tarballs museum, rather than from 'current'
asciilifeform: i.e. where they start getting fragalicious
asciilifeform: the real q is , just how far above 512, and below 1500, can go
mircea_popescu: yeah. unless anyone throws in a good reason we're dropping the far range, this is nonsense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i did say. back in the gossipd thread.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it occurs to me the work might also be misspecced. anyone have serious objections to moving to 1-2048 down from 1-65536 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:50 diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853549 << ouch. they made networking great again meanwhile also ?!
asciilifeform: there's ~0 to be gained from nursing sad iron, life is too short
asciilifeform: dun bother
mircea_popescu: me either, but as i said, makepile errors out and im not debugging this
asciilifeform: ( or, rather, can... but who wants )
mircea_popescu: yes well, mine's a 4.4.3 ; perhaps one day it'll be ave1 's, but that day is not today and so tough luck to the shitcard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the other end of that stick, the unspeakable salt mine crud that keeps asciilifeform's lights on
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 18:57 mircea_popescu: ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9
mircea_popescu: oh, is this part and parcel of all the "luxuries keep me bolted down in usgistan that i could never have anywhere else" line ?
asciilifeform: ( i dun imagine either is problem in castle mircea_popescustein )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853710 << can laugh if you like, but asciilifeform uses room fulla lappies, and most of'em never leave the copper lan
asciilifeform: atheros
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 08:05 ave1: In other news, some lulzy drama underway in the Linux kernel camp; https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFy+Hv9O5citAawS+mVZO+ywCKd9NQ2wxUmGsz9ZJzqgJQ@mail.gmail.com/
asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, another phunphakt, in orig torvalds surrender papers, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850713 : winblowz uniturd quotes .
mircea_popescu: wasted a slave half-day chasing the nonsense blergh.
mircea_popescu: im trashing the whole worksheet, unless you want something from it.
mircea_popescu: (not to even mention they ship a fucking cd with the dongle, the fucktards, on which there's autorun and windows bs. the linux stuff -- get from our website. ON A CONNECTIVITY DEVICE. then they wanna talk about "code of conduct" ? HOW THE FUCK ABOUT NOT.)
mircea_popescu: i'm NOT debugging make error soup, either.
mircea_popescu: ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9
trinque: can in theory replace with a known workable card
asciilifeform: this was in the not-soldered dayz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sad-802.11 thing is endemic ( recall asciilifeform's recipe of how to terraform ibm x60 . step 1 is to pull out the wireless nic and stuff in ye olde atheros )
mircea_popescu: but the point remains -- they're still ~useless (or amstan-useful, if you prefer). literally better of without 'em.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's some % who actually endrivered various new iron. e.g. dulap kernel built for arm64 won't actually boot on rk, needs the little bit of chinesium ( i have it laid out, fwiw , mostly, specifically for when we pour cement )
mircea_popescu: "aethershit".
mircea_popescu: hey, linux ~already useless for any practical purpose. you know i have a trashed hp envy sitting here because trhere's no way to run the wireless on it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g. the chinese rk people
asciilifeform: most of'em prolly not even smelled the smoke yet
mircea_popescu: what "purges" ? who the fuck would stay on with shitux.
asciilifeform: as for the 'code of conduct' liquishit, apparently thing is written by some purpose-built pantsuit org in berlin, and standardized, and right after l. signing the instrument of surrender, the purges kicked off
asciilifeform: ( for folx who aint sov-entomologists : pavlik morozov was a kid who turned in own father to dekulakizers. for this, grandfather beheaded him with axe. and kid was made into an Official 'hero' )
mircea_popescu: if you don't control your women, you're stuck making public laughingstocks of them. there's no "third way".
mircea_popescu: this'd be the counterpoint to "omfg, mp will publish anything". sure, he will. "it's exaggerate!". sure, it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i had nfi linus even had daughter. then apparently find, he does, and she's 'pavlik morozov'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853526 << illustrating the problem here : if man has a moron daugther but does not say "oh, i have a moron daugther", he is in obvious danger of "and she made me a moron too".
asciilifeform: benjies only work because they eventually return to 'miami', sorta like yer mains socket only worx because current able to go in the neutral pin
asciilifeform: i guess disney had one possible answer re the 'wat', http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lja7aorWsU1qze0z6o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: Frente Amplio burns the benjies while inflating the peso and everyone frog boils into poverty.
asciilifeform: even per this 'logic', seems like there's a loose end -- so, ok, they sell, SELL, only. bags of benjies -- go in. ~then~ wat.