mike_c: true or false: if i type a password into my shell, and then call 'history -c', i am ok?
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mircea_popescu: there, i've now robbed peter to pay paul.
benkay: i don't see my name there...
asciilifeform: in other news,
mircea_popescu: the pr salute you.
mircea_popescu: but seriously now, i fail to see what it offers. i mean i suppose one could loot their github for code, and the site could be just a demo.
benkay: o i thought the excuse was =========
mike_c: but if you use gpgauth and they get hacked, you have an excuse. so it's ok. like when your site goes down because aws goes down, built in excuse. </sarcasm>
mircea_popescu: and then hope that both gpgauth and your link to it is also secure.
mircea_popescu: nefario trying the kenna trick.
asciilifeform: these things actually work.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the same tech could easily test the composition of a drug (pharmacy or back alley, user's choice)
asciilifeform: (SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)
mircea_popescu: "i got hiv from sharing the hiv tester with a hiv sufferer"
asciilifeform: i believe the gizmo in question used a 'microarray'
asciilifeform: the difference is important (expensive, disposable, slow) vs. reusable (cheap), compact, fast.
mircea_popescu: i know pron companies now use something on the sets.
mircea_popescu: this seems to work the same way neh ?
the20year2: Although you could also blame it on lynshenkoism (sp) which kind of is a statistical thing there too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not banned as such. but the 'holy grail' that could have eradicated the virus, a pocket-sized instant electronic gizmo, sat in a glass case at one of my old employers' facility
mircea_popescu: the20year2 it definitely could be argued.
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mircea_popescu: wait, hiv testing is banned in the us?!
asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks
mircea_popescu: let's see... if some guy needs an operation and the insurance won't clear it because they judge he's too old/poor/etc, and he dies
the20year2: Well, i could base everything on how I "Feel", but i don't know that my feelings would have any impact on others
asciilifeform: perhaps no one, but others want to keep theirs - and their domestic animals, window glass, etc.
mike_c: the20year2: again.. seems misleading. is that just for gun owners?
mircea_popescu: the best way to raise boys is to regularly give them enough rope to hang themselves and then enforce the hanging once they started it.
Mats_cd03: thats the reasoning, anyway
mike_c: the20year2: probably not a percentage basis?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 by the same argument, people who die by negligent discharge deserve to die anwyay /
the20year2: Why not require the same of police officers too? Since they have the same, or more negligent discharges than civilians
asciilifeform: my understanding is that such locks are usually meant against the owner's sons rather than enemies
the20year2: You think most people can do that when their door is being busted down?
mircea_popescu: what are you making there, a hope chest ?
Mats_cd03: if it takes you a minute to remove two locks and assemble the weapon you deserve to die to a home invasion
the20year2: Negligent discharges are quite low overall and are decreasing by pretty large amounts in the US
the20year2: which prevents access in time of emergency or delays a theif by a whole minute or two
Mats_cd03: in practical terms securing the weapon means two different locks for the bolt carrier group and the upper receiver
the20year2: The technological prerequisite to production of a firearm is quite low
bounce: well, there's more to it than that. in the USoA there's also a strong cultural current that requires guns. and, relatedly, something to fight, so they'll keep on looking for exactly that. in that sense two wars at the same time is them 'merkins having a cultural field day.
Mats_cd03: i believe should be compelled to prove competency with it as well as commit to securing the weapon
the20year2: I feel that the ability to adequately defend yourself and your family isn't just a right, it's required
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Mats_cd03: i believe owning a weapon is a privilege rather than a right
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the20year2: i just don't like the people that complain about the legal constructs of the state for self defense and want to make it illegal to defend yourself
asciilifeform: a fixation on hardware is one of the 'professional diseases' of technological civilization
mircea_popescu: people who shoot you the moment you've looked the wrong way are quite different from people who scuffle with you over their own gun which then sorta-accidentally discharges.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to that man angle than anyone readily admits. take that recent treysomething or the other case.
pLambert: I don't get it, whats the diff between barrels-per-man and guns-per-capita?
bounce: too bad dual wielding isn't what the gamer kids believe it is
pLambert: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country the US has the most guns per person
bounce: that they do. not like the US couldn't see it coming, or anything. just that china can make do with very little. on top of that, they do have what looks like decent kit these days.
Mats_cd03: if the country wasnt shitty in other ways id love to live there, social stability and chinese women sounds great
Mats_cd03: it is remarkable to me that the greatest danger to chinese public safety
mircea_popescu: i imagine it's somewhere in the ex-russian central asia.
asciilifeform: i would guess (by no means an expert guess, but that of armchair general) that the 'most barrels per man' is somewhere in the arab world
the20year2: China arms most of the middle east with weapons
Mats_cd03: they certainly do have a habit of burying them and then digging them up for use against invaders every few hundred years
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: the well-armed are the folks with the industrial capacity. and that would be who - if not china ?
rithm: but i now i just see the spin cycle
rithm: a lawsuit can be a further laundry
Mats_cd03: i was mostly thinking that the round is superior, is all. the weapons and rounds themselves are lighter than their counterparts
mike_c: geez, those furry beasts in the water on trilema are so cute i'm going to puke.
asciilifeform: unless mexico makes the difference.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: history suggests that the 'lead standard' mode of a given country is strictly connected to what can be pilfered from military supplies, when the men guarding them turn free agent. so you're almost certainly correct.
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: the 556 will prevail, in answer to your question.
punkman: "It should take an Act of God to start up in anything but the best possible security you can manage. A Presidential Order doesn't cut it. "
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/#comment-98746
rithm: i see a lot of channels but only some of them light up
mircea_popescu: then it'll be a moot point.
mircea_popescu: much better to just make mpex run the current version of "banks" out of business completely,
mircea_popescu: bounce it's a moot point. banks aren't able to buy it anyway, unless the govt says do it.
bounce: somebody needs to write a banking front-end that actually makes sense. features like ability to feed it your gpg key. I'd write it except I have no contacts with banks so they'll never buy such off of me. (what give software away? to *banks*?)
punkman: well shit, disk just had the CLICK OF DEATH, I think I lost a wallet
mircea_popescu: their ad is even better.
CheckDavid: 2:13:02 PM mircea_popescu her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.
mircea_popescu: you trying to say the girl is going down ?
CheckDavid: You know? The pair?
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kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout the printing to pdf you suggested was rejected > "unreadable / bad quality / truncated (4)"
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Mats_cd03: ya dude its the blackest market
Mats_cd03: i hate the internet... stupid spaces
mircea_popescu: the problem with learnin accounting is that it's not an art, it's a craft. you can perhaps learn philosophy in your own time, of \your own volition. accounting however requires a reshaping of your mental process, which people never undertake willingly.
mircea_popescu: Kolin Burgess, a British bitcoin investor who spent much of Tuesday protesting outside of Mt. Goxs abandoned office, in Tokyo, told a reporter for Reuters that he thought he had accumulated Bitcoins that were worth three hundred thousand dollars at the markets peak. Im very angry, he said. It looks like thats disappeared.
mircea_popescu: <Dimsler_> evicerate the proliteriate < epic
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 i kinda left it unreferenced fishing for noobs tbh. i'm kinda hoping the average clueless yet opinionanted keyboard warrior may pick on it to try and "mock" me.
Dimsler_: evicerate the proliteriate
mircea_popescu: but what can you do for these people.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we'll see another anil dash-esque butthurt explosion followed by trying to date me
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i think the latest post would be better with a link for the tide reference, e.g. http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1/
Dimsler_: the kosack was a fucking nomad
Dimsler_: like the russians suggested
Mats_cd03: and they've been properly slapped down
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 wasn't it a khanate originally ? that's EXACTLY what they did.
kakobrekla: >@teddy @Xapo we've entrusted them with a shit-ton of BTC...so have other big institutional funds...its a good sign.
Mats_cd03: its the functional equivalent of macao, singapore, taiwan, hong kong, or scotland deciding, lets organize militias and be rowdy
Dimsler_: the american world police
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete anyway, if you know the chap, perhaps drop him a link. as usual, the clearing of bs starts with teh self.
Dimsler_: in the first place
Dimsler_: the belonged to russians
mircea_popescu: course we know why exactly the us cares too, at that level.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 that explains why the russians care, which was quite clear.
mircea_popescu: surely you see the humor.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete talking about "bunch of amateur hour buyllshit in the bitcoin """ecosystem"""" in a pdf file ?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu he's one of the brighter valleyers https://twitter.com/chamath not that this gives him credibility
Dimsler_: the problem with ukraine
bitcoinpete: Chamath is spot on here: "We’ve got to flush out all the has-beens and also-rans. There’s a bunch of amateur hour bullshit in the bitcoin ecosystem.”
CheckDavid: I very much appreciate the stock tip kind sir
mircea_popescu: her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.
CheckDavid: You are the Warren Buffett of btc lol
mircea_popescu: equity is related to the business performance.
mircea_popescu: no. a loan has no relation to the business performance, a loan is predicated on the credibility of the underwriter.
CheckDavid: Can this loan depend on the business performance alone?
mircea_popescu: you can either take investment, which is a distribution of equity no matter how you disgusie it, from bfl-style to any other style,
chetty: Crossword puzzles in a local Venezuelan newspaper are calling readers to violent protests with conspiratorial messages, the countrys information minister said today.
CheckDavid: I see. So your take is that equity must be allocated to the investors right?
mircea_popescu: there's business and then there's nonsense. i'm sure some kids somewhere are playing with money, but that has no bearing on business.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the wot, this channel and so forth.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: yes correct. But then one also needs a framework/platform to market my trust
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid yeah but meanwhile my q was answered reading the log.
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MisterE: lots of blood on the floor over on BTCe lol
chetty: MisterE, most public forums are about the same
MisterE: The asshattery with this forum is strong!
MisterE: states run by fscking insurance adjustors who have politicians in their pockets
MisterE: this is the kind of people that nanny states produce
chetty: that argument has been going on forever, a good example of the failure of personal responsibility
jurov: oh i overlooked the tweet
jurov: and there's where comaprison with NYSE falls short, NYSE can get to court (in worst case) to force misbehaving traders in the line
jurov: bitcoinpete that oleganza's blog is theoretically nice
bocobit: or maybe even more powerful, what makes the 80%
bocobit: and what constitutes independent thought, what are the parameters
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bitcoinpete: well, you know where the door is
VanCleef: if you make a new bet and send funds to fund the bet but it doesn't get approved will you get your coin back?
drkow: their bitcoin system isn't working in Canada
bitcoinpete: they're a store
bitcoinpete: if they must be spent
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: if it were one of the Violas, that would be real news
copumpkin: I turned the heat up again
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: RE your next mention of Chicago http://deadspin.com/chicago-sports-radio-host-shits-in-the-studio-flees-th-1553315358
ozbot: Want to edit the wiki without paying a fee? Read this.
BingoBoingo: Florida Man: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/tampa-tailgater-caught-on-video-then-for-real/2172272
mircea_popescu: mike_c oldest trick in the book, every talking head on the tv screen has a little speaker in his ear thing. course, my backup is slightly better than what tv stations can afford, but still.
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's only me posting as me. however, there's multiple people working on feeding me data and other predigested strings.
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that! i wrote more this past month than the next 4 people bombined ?!
mircea_popescu: these logs i'm reading are delayed or something ;/
mircea_popescu: i guess the 25 people gave up too.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's funny, because 99.999% of published researchers live off grants given by the people who want global warming to be a rthing.
BingoBoingo: Oh, ellipses don't hide text in the logs that come out of assbot no more
mircea_popescu: deadweasel: why would anybody consult the public? << maybe the public is topless and looks good on its back ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's about the sentiment I've been coming to have about my plot coupons.
mircea_popescu: the20year3 this "enough of our shareholders complain" tack is bollocks. i complain, and i'll have your head for it, plain and simple.
mircea_popescu: xdotcomm_: benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this https://gpgauth.org/ << because why would anyone sane give their keys away to some website ? might as well ask why no serious bloggers are ujsing disqus.
mircea_popescu: the20year3 so if the claim is that rent is trading under book, why not buy back shares ? and moreover, is the book value reported anywhere in any sense ?
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mircea_popescu: the20year3 businesses where the big barrier to entry is capital actually are very poor businesses (in that surpluss capacity can be and usually is created on the spot - or in other words, because they have no moats). buffett expounds on this in his 1983 letter if memory serves.
moiety: lets try that again shall we? : i have an animal related story i cant read because im too scared to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?
moiety: i have an animal realted story i cant read because im too scraed to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?
moiety: MisterE: re the lions, i looked into it because i hadn't heard about it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26356099
moiety: BingoBoingo: that one (youtube link) just totally wanted to rip the camera person's face off didnt it?! i think they are known to scalp people
kow: the humpback whale
noCHINA: no its not -- thats just the free market operating... its up to the stupid public to decide if a rumor is real or not before panic selling
mircea_popescu: MisterE if any large retailer decides to stop taking a card it's more like a death sentence to the card than to the retailer.
MisterE: then pulled back to scoop up after a drop, thats manipulation
MisterE: they might have leaked a rumor before starting to dump
mircea_popescu: noCHINA it's rare that news actually has any sort of impact on bitcoin prices. people generally like to see patters, but i've seen hundreds of such claims and they were never right.
noCHINA: there is no such thing as 'manipulation' -- there are only bids and asks ... they're either filled or not
MisterE: still MP that is 55% of small businesses. when I said not taking visa would be a death sentence I was talking about large retailers like Walmart or Safeway. I'm sure CC acceptance and usage is much higher there and it would be a death sentence for them.
TestingUnoDosTre: I don't care how many btc were sold today. China news was basically the same shit that was said before, and it was released like 12 hours or more before the MINI crash
noCHINA: its like the good news doesn't factor in at all
noCHINA: just when you thought bad news was finished for bitcoin -- there is more
mircea_popescu: the place for this sort of nonsense is reddit.
MisterE: because of personal experience, obbviously you have nbot spent much time shopping in rural america at the likes of WlaMart and safeway
mircea_popescu: and you know this on the basis of because what.
MisterE: I've lived out of the US for 8-years but even before I left cash usage at large retailers was hard to find
mircea_popescu: "<MisterE> we're not talkign about small retailers" / "<MisterE> and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide"
MisterE: you're making assumptions that I;m extrapolating what I do to others
mircea_popescu: the market is a larger thing.
mircea_popescu: MisterE unless you're one of the govt poor using the govt's own plastic, which is neither visa nor mc etc.
MisterE: when you go to a supermarket and stock up for the week you use a card
asciilifeform: 'debit' card, at least the u.s. variety, has considerably weaker legal fraud protections than the 'credit' card.
noCHINA: Visa should just drop teh minimum per-swipe charge and go straight %. they'd make more
MisterE: wallmart was the example
mircea_popescu: "But data from Intuit shows that 55 percent of the nations 27 million small businesses do not accept credit cards."
Duffer1: what would happen to retailers if the debit card ceased to exist?
MisterE: where is here? I'm talking about the US
mircea_popescu: i'm even arguing against your counting ability, that's about five statements right there.
MisterE: use of credit and debit cards, that use the visa network, for shopping is prolific in the US and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide. <- Are you arguing against that statement mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre subkeys you generate off a main key aren't more anonymous than the main key.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, wired article about "the soul of bitcoin", in terms of "two schmucks no one heard of or cares about"
MisterE: that makes them able to be used for purchases at most major retailers
MisterE: these aren't prepaid electron cards
MisterE: maybe that was but it's the vast majority
mircea_popescu: MisterE perhaps 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.
MisterE: but if you dont have a credit card and only a bank account with a debit card the visa system is what allows you to use it to make purchases
mircea_popescu: mc tried something similar with much less success about once a decade since the 80s
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 because they want to make money.
Duffer1: they could simply stop accepting visa
Duffer1: i don't see why they even need to sue
tg2: I rekon I could get a key id with 10 characters the same
Duffer1: "This user has not authenticated for more than 104 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you are probably talking to an impostor and scammer." hehe
gribble: You are now authenticated for user Duffer1 with key D5B0A00741A54A60
gribble: User 'tg2', with keyid 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014, last authed on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=tg2 . Currently authenticated from hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35 .
Mats_cd03: have you two been trolling each other for hours
tg2: Can you migrate wot identity to a new key if you sign it with the old?
Duffer1: tg2 i believe they're just interested in vorhees, not necessarily investors
tg2: Gpg up heathen
Duffer1: there may be an ongoing discussion we're not aware of though
tg2: We're the investors in satdice even linked to anything materially? Wasn't it all crypto?
noCHINA: did MPEX ever end up giving the SEC satoshidice info?
MisterE: at 250 I'll take cash from the CCs
PANIC_SELL_NOW: no point in denying the truth, bitcoin is banned in china, the chinese brought us from $250 to $1000. and we'll go right back down to $250