ave1: I was still on the "automagic" way to choose either the lookup or the divtronic CRC32. Whis will never be automagic, authors just have to work on 2 different threes if they want and let the longest one survive.
ave1: yes, I know, but you asked about the senario; no published vtron permitted...
ave1: sorry p3 touches the A as it is after p1
asciilifeform: there is no ambiguity.
asciilifeform: then p1, p2, p3 are alternative and mutually-exclusive pressable leaves.
ave1: then p3 touches A
ave1: well, if I have file A and B, and p1 touches A and B, and p2 touches A in the same way as p1 but B differently
ave1: with the manifest as we have now and no way to automatically merge an alternative (i.e. having more than one possible ancestor)
ave1: hey, I was just thinking the same thing offline, so yes I think the new method is sane as it preserves authorship and no magic alternative could be inserted somewhere halfway the tree.
asciilifeform: in that it prevents the combinatorial clusterfucks that ifdefism causes
asciilifeform: it is painful, but prolly the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: and yes they'd have to be reground regularly.
asciilifeform: to bring thread back to current-day -- afaik the only means to implement alternative builds, in current scheme, is 2 (or moar) pressable leaves in erry 'release' ver.
diana_coman: I can see the history is preserved angle, certainly; and a nice thing for sure; but there is a cost for it and I'm not sure the benefits make up for it
diana_coman: once you bring it into your tree, you don't care about the original tree so ...how stuck?
asciilifeform: the diff was that the history was preserved, as opposed to painted over with cut&paste.
diana_coman: maybe I didn't understand then what you mean by "patch that pulls in specific state from a parallel tree"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you carry with your proggy, the specific one you built on
diana_coman: asciilifeform, trouble is - what do you do then when/if that tree gets reground?
diana_coman: to my mind that's pretty much the reason, yes
asciilifeform: he had a pretty good arg imho, tho, that when you write on top of a specific lib, you oughta freeze it in, rather than permit it to change 'under you' at any point.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc mircea_popescu in particular specifically hates libs-as-separate-trees, insists that proggy oughta include errything it eats. ( i dun recall whether he answered why it should not also then include the os and compiler also in same genesis, but i'ma leave thread alone for nao)
asciilifeform: part of the exercise here is to purge head of the last vestiges of dark ages 'merge-istic' versiontronics . who wants variants, gotta remember that yer pressing variants built on specific states of the trunk. ( and if trunk meanwhile changed, and you still want it, must regrind )
diana_coman: I honestly don't quite see the point of taking crc32 out for instance
diana_coman: yes, the way I currently see it now is pretty much that: trunk (main line) goes along the production versions of all stuff (crc32 or keccak or whatever else) and otherwise at the respective points there can be additional branches /leaves with the reference implementations
asciilifeform: alternatively, both variants are physically included in euloratron tree, but then the latter has 2 pressable leaves, for the respective variants
diana_coman: ah, you mean that the only way to do this is to take crc32 out of eucrypt tree?
asciilifeform: concretely : ave1 releases crc32 as standalone staticable lib, like my udp. it comes with 2 pressable leaves, 'tabletronic' and 'divtronic'. you can press either and use in e.g. euloratron when building.
diana_coman: but other than this, I don't see any need or point for reground
diana_coman: hm, perhaps being a reference implementation it makes sense to remain as branch there and otherwise the tree continues along the main line (not reference)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i understand 'v branching as civilized replacement for #ifdefism', the branches unavoidably gotta get reground whenever the whole tree is considered stable (i.e. no further changes likely to trunk)
diana_coman: i.e. can one effectively branch the v tree to provide an alternative .vpatch i.e. this or that stand at this place in the pressed line?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 18:14 diana_coman: and it fits perfectly the original idea of alternative, proper
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:55 diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch
ave1: diana_coman, asciilifeform, well I uploaded both with the same scp line, but did not check. So now again new version (thanks for the typo fixes diana_coman!), I just downloaded both again and verified.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect that he forgot to refresh the seal , and that one's from the old ver
diana_coman: though I don't yet see how would one bring them together afterwards without requiring BOTH of them
diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch
diana_coman: ave1, typos: "opation" "to determin" "here a short list" "therefor" "registor" "zero's" "implentation" "not if statements"
diana_coman: ave1, now the sig doesn't verify??
trinque: Mocky: yep, looks like I trashed it, and I see no corresponding !!unrate. restored. I will make sure there were no other dropped ratings.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862212 << I don't see how I could have shaved off just that rating while fixing the diana_away thing, but if it turns out I did, my apologies
mod6: <+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo, mod6 : i'm thinking , i prolly oughta roll the mp-wp prereqs into the standard rk image, in the short term << sounds alright to me, alf
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 13:59 billymg: it appears that php 5.6.38 is now the only 5.6 php available on the upstream portage repo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dqRWG/?raw=true
lobbes: "castle-only" may be the way to go anyways; I'm not sure #trilema even needs the auctionbot to sit in here
lobbes: (to begin, it will not have self-voice capability. Spyked's voicer is for the ircbot branch of the tree sadly, so I will need to add voicing to the logbot branch. However, I figure that can wait for another day)
asciilifeform: the upstream is dead !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862311 << btw, i explicitly disrecomment updating rk gentoo from heathen-upstream. it will lead only to tears.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 07:53 diana_coman: in fact the 3rd option that is the one actually to use is having different sizes on the two processes (i.e. different constant simply)
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 : i'm thinking , i prolly oughta roll the mp-wp prereqs into the standard rk image, in the short term
ave1: asciilifeform, I get the updated one, maybe caching problem somewhere (I did have to reload)
asciilifeform: billymg: try lobbes's thing, if it fails, then yes, will have to from src
asciilifeform: billymg: btw were you originally doing the http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/getting-php56-and-mysql-to-play-nice-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/ recipe ?
billymg: would the next best bet be to install from source, outside of portage?
asciilifeform: but in the long term, the pill will have to be cuntoo ( which has permanent trinque repo, unaffected by enemy ) ; conventional gentoo should already today be thought of as 'frozen', emerge cannot be relied to work
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: Sent 1 hour and 25 minutes ago: <lobbes> bot's back. Once auctionbot is finished I will go back and redo the !Qlater tell stuff to sit on top of logbot as well (right now, this too is sitting on an old heathen bot that doesn't auto-authenticate with NickServ after fleanode disconnect shenanigans)
ave1: diana_coman, place was right, my publish pipeline failed (somehow the final copy operations did not work)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:08 asciilifeform: if any part of the edifice ever shows any symptom of fully working, they re-fuck it.
billymg: it appears that php 5.6.38 is now the only 5.6 php available on the upstream portage repo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dqRWG/?raw=true
lobbes: and speaking of auctionbot: development is complete. At the moment I am getting ready to begin some prod testing and then all that's left is to write the blog post explaining the usage. Getting close!
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: !Qlater tell asciilifeform bot's back. Once auctionbot is finished I will go back and redo the "!Qlater tell" stuff to sit on top of logbot as well (right now, this too is sitting on an old heathen bot that doesn't auto-authenticate with NickServ after fleanode disconnect shenanigans)
diana_coman: ave1, it seems I still get the old .vpatch? I took it with curl from http://ave1.org/code/eucrypt/eucrypt_crc32_div.vpatch ; is this the right place?
diana_coman: ave1, thanks for the update, I'll look at it in a minute
diana_coman: bvt, get yourself a pizarro shared account and start your blog there precisely with those pastes, what's keeping you?
ave1: Unfortunately is does not read as a straight long division anymore. But copying of the input array is avoided and
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 01:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862164 << yes ; cuz all 1470s go to one process and all 1472s go to a different one. eventually as a scalability thing could even go to diff box altogether. there's not so muchrelation between the two types.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862203 -> the point as I see it is precisely that physically there actually is only ONE type anyway so any different types/sizes is in fact a higher level filtering no matter what (i.e. having 2 different processes each with its own size doesn't mean that each will actually get only the size it wants)
diana_coman: in fact the 3rd option that is the one actually to use is having different sizes on the two processes (i.e. different constant simply)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 04:30 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862167 >> I don't see how it would necessarily be any simpler aside from one `if` statement. And there's nothing to stop listening on separate ports and getting all benefits asciilifeform mentions with different sizes
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862213 -> it's more than just one if statement (although unnecessary branches in themselves are not great anyway); basically it's the udp code itself that has to be messed up to accommodate this particular thing - either using generic or otherwise using the largest of the two and then filtering one level higher
diana_coman: the tester does not pack them in rsa or serpent proper so it's the "package" there rather than protocol message, I guess that might be confusing, I'll update
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862205 -> neither! it's 1472, not 14721 and it's octets not bits as per: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-105.0-105.29 and http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-76.15-125.25
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 05:08 asciilifeform: the physical nic ~always sends 1500!~ it also always receives 1500!!
ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862262, strange, it seems that ethernet does allow for variable length packages. I can see that the header / data ratio is smallest at the largest physical package size.
jurov: Hi all thebitcoin.foundation is being switched to new server, not just the A record but whole DNS changed, there might be issues next few hours.
asciilifeform: and if i were to, say, buffer packets, queue'em, always can say exactly how much space they will occupy.
asciilifeform: Mocky: ok. so, observe, i dun record or return lengths. all length are either $full ( which i tentatively had set to 512, pre-rftming) or invalid ( may as well 0 )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 14:52 asciilifeform: 4096bit is 512byte, you're sending 1500 frame always, even if your nominal packet is 3bytes long. simply how ethernet worx.
asciilifeform: only fulls and frags, is all there is.
asciilifeform: the physical nic ~always sends 1500!~ it also always receives 1500!!
asciilifeform: i dun think i can say anyffing else to make this point clearer, it's imho as screamingly obvious as 2+2, if you take the time to rtfm. so i'ma leave it at this.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 20:48 asciilifeform: would get much simpler coad (i.e. my orig. fixed frame) vs the extended one with moar moving parts.
asciilifeform: Mocky: read up re what yer nic actually does. then will grasp that by pretending that it does something, anything , else, you incur runaway complexity cost and impedance mismatch. always.
asciilifeform: errything else is hokum created by ip stack theatrics. and incurs complexity cost for 0 win.
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's precisely 1 packet size. in physical box. 1500. it's the railroad gauge.
Mocky: the important point being that as a matter of policy, perpetuating smaller packet sizes is a bad idea
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 04:50 asciilifeform: there's no reason os's udp should even fucking accept a sub-frame packet payload. or super-framed.
asciilifeform: ethernet spec. blame xerox , not asciilifeform
asciilifeform: max ethernet frame - hdr len. nomoar, noless.
asciilifeform: there's no reason os's udp should even fucking accept a sub-frame packet payload. or super-framed.
asciilifeform: they're a bus with 4 brake pedals.
Mocky: so long as you can assume one tru packet size, you can get some ada benefits + extra simplicity, that you don't get otherwise, no?
asciilifeform: all buffers preallocated on stack , to the fixed size.
asciilifeform: Mocky: didja read the libudp coad ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 20:48 diana_coman: asciilifeform, hmm, there is certainly a case for same size precisely because way simpler code
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862167 >> I don't see how it would necessarily be any simpler aside from one `if` statement. And there's nothing to stop listening on separate ports and getting all benefits asciilifeform mentions with different sizes
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 23:51 asciilifeform: trinque: i dun suppose you have a cured binary-types ? ( cured, but presently fails to run when i strip away the asdfism so i can work it into my tree bodily )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 20:48 diana_coman: asciilifeform, hmm, there is certainly a case for same size precisely because way simpler code
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862164 << yes ; cuz all 1470s go to one process and all 1472s go to a different one. eventually as a scalability thing could even go to diff box altogether. there's not so muchrelation between the two types.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 07:14 hanbot: anyway the idea is to have an exhaustive list of news outlets with their contact email made, after which i'll have her mail that blurb; i expect something like a week's turnaround, and will report when it's done.
asciilifeform: it's come to where i can't look at heathen coad for an hour without turning up an intractable barfology.
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun suppose you have a cured binary-types ? ( cured, but presently fails to run when i strip away the asdfism so i can work it into my tree bodily )
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
a111: Logged on 2015-12-24 18:35 asciilifeform: 'if two trains meet one another on a track, neither shall move until the other has passed.' (supposedly from a 1880s american state law)
asciilifeform: hilariously, bug (if can call it that) reported as early as 2008, and... 0 published fix to either lib
asciilifeform: grr for fuck's sake what use is a bot that dun go half the time
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
asciilifeform: ( i.e. you dun have to 'check what it is' on top of existing logic, e.g. if port 9000 it goes to serpent, if 9001 -- to rsa , and each respective process validates per the existing rulez )
asciilifeform: if you distinguish by port, the os will throw them into the correct process 'for phree'. but sure
asciilifeform: i.e. simply run the acct one with 'nice 19 ...'
asciilifeform: having 2 processes (and if desired later, 2 boxes) to process the 2 types, will make priority queue simpler also.
diana_coman: the port/separate is not an issue at all; at any rate rsa will be processed separately by design (and with lower priority) - but all this part is of no direct concern here
asciilifeform: all udp packet carry port, it's settable to whatever you want just like the rest of the packet.
asciilifeform: you wouldn't have to change anyffing else in about it, can pad the unused 2 bytes with rng.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 16:25 mircea_popescu: ok, so this back of a digital envelope seems to suggest we want : 1. fixed size 1470 byte rsa packets, made to work with 3920-bit rsa (of which i presume the useful message size to be 1872 bit, diana_coman plox to confirm maffs ?). such a packet has then 1696 bits spare for e and bullshit.
asciilifeform: plus would let you put the new acct thing, potentially, on separate box, in fyootoor
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hmm, there is certainly a case for same size precisely because way simpler code
asciilifeform: would get much simpler coad (i.e. my orig. fixed frame) vs the extended one with moar moving parts.
asciilifeform: cuz if it's simply to distinguish the rsa from the symmetricolade without wasting a bit in the payload, could simply listen on 2 ports...
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:46 mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
trinque: yep, I don't think so either. rater won't know where his rating went
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 18:36 mircea_popescu: in other words, jesus god this is lovely -- whenever the girls meet the house's suddenly fulla giggles an' laughter.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862137 -> this triggered image of labyrinth, lol; "that's just what the Minotaur said - when sated"
trinque: probably the diana_coman / Mocky case indicates drop
diana_coman: trinque, please drop the diana_away
trinque: I figure now's a good time to purge the unrated. for the few with ratings on both, I can merge to the nick with earliest rating, or drop.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:46 mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859809 << reviewed the db, 15 keys double-regged, of which 5 have been rated only on one nick, and 4 on both (adamgibbins / whoop, MTW / rainrawr, sina / herbijudlestoids, diana_away / Mocky), rest of the keys have no ratings.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I know, hence ox; ("at most calves" if BingoBoingo considers that they really are just boys)
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of FU (felix unger), "you have to MAKE gravy, it doesn't just come!"
diana_coman: kind of doubt even that; cows on one side really makes for oxes or at most calves on the other, nothing more
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right, there's a small herd of boys
BingoBoingo: Well, more shock and awe about the bedshitting
mircea_popescu: in other words, jesus god this is lovely -- whenever the girls meet the house's suddenly fulla giggles an' laughter.
BingoBoingo: There's a whole epidemic of this in England, fat pasty cows breaking drinkwear and maiming men interested in human shaped women
Mocky: stabbing not needed if boy can be cowwed. what, mayogendered gonna start taking the more strenuous route now?
BingoBoingo: Maybe? I could imagine one of the maygendered stabbing on of the boys for looking at the plentiful fields of ass.
BingoBoingo wonders what would have happened if the same visa run occurred during January bikini season
BingoBoingo: I mean they went to the mall with the pasty moo cows and came back with the same moo cows and not a single one of the fine specimens fo feminimity that populates the mall
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile they boys were just... broken
BingoBoingo: They'd get blackout drunk, shit the bed, and generally horrify the latinos unaccustomed to Madonna culture
BingoBoingo: And the hostage boys were so browbeaten they couldn't consider the local girls lest they become rapists
mircea_popescu remembers the days he could eye-weight a herd of fillies for loading in cattle trucks ; he could get within 1% of true weight just by watching them stand ; at the time a 7 ton truck took ten to eleven dozen young whores.
BingoBoingo: The chubbsters were SO BITTER they weren't getting attention from anyone but their hostage boys
BingoBoingo still remembers the Irish/British/US college aged english teacher invasion of the hostel for a visa run
mircea_popescu: thereby uk still has ~30 followers tops.
mircea_popescu: i mean, as in the celebrated case of that caleb fucktard of http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#selection-127.158-135.403 fame -- i guarantee you the 22 complaints are 90%+ of the femwatchers, which are 90%+ of the total watchers.
mircea_popescu: " after the watchdog received 22 complaints over her super slim appearance." << can you belive how few people still follow the "united kingdom" youtube account ?
BingoBoingo: Can't condition Rotterdam to not want Theresa May
mircea_popescu: i can see why they'd have to.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 01:49 mircea_popescu: the punch line, being, i suppose -- guess the fellow's name.
mircea_popescu: (michael arlen, btw, to also provide in passing the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860585 : "Dikran Kouyoumdjian")
trinque: "conquered cultures long to eat the bunghole, noose at 11"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, the female perspective is somehow dominant in western discourse notwithstanding it is deeply irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: why his fathers ever left Hayastan; for it seems to me much better to be a murdered prince in Hayastan than a living vagabond in London."
mircea_popescu: anyway, author of above vomit is NOT anglo, but ~armenian~. in his own words, "while for an Armenian, who soon realises that his nationality is considered as something of a _faux pas_, there are none of these things, and he is entirely lost in the wilderness, for there is no solid background to his existence in another's country; and, as the days lengthen out and he grows tired of walking in the Green Park, he comes to wonder
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reads like 'ohnoez, donkey ate the carrot, how will he walk nao' lament
mircea_popescu: y; and generally they compromise, and, physically and mentally, walk about in their shirts."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile i read the paste, it's exactly the 'peasants' thread encapsulated.
mircea_popescu: love, but only content. But they do not see that; they insist on spoiling love, breaking the vase with stupid, unconscious hands; and when it breaks they are surprised, and they say that love is a fickle thing and will stand no tests, and that women are the very devil. Always they spoil love; it comes and finds them helpless, puzzling whether to clothe themselves entirely in reserve or whether to be entirely naked in brutalit
mircea_popescu: ove breaks down all barriers between man and woman; that love is a vase of iron, unbreakable, and not, as it is, a vase of the most delicate and brittle pottery, to be broken to pieces by the least touch of a careless hand. They seem to think that the state of love stands at the end of a great striving; they do not realise that it is only the beginning, and that the striving must never cease, for without striving there is no
mircea_popescu: and delicacy, for there was always something coarse, some little note which jarred, some movement of the mind and body maladroit, in a man who is shown a woman's love. "When men love and are not loved," she said, "often they kept their grace and pride, and women are proud to be loved by such men--even faithfully for more than ten years; but when men are loved and are confident, then they seem to lose delicacy, to think that l
mircea_popescu: "We sat on chairs in the sun, and after we had been silent a long while, she began to do what women will never cease doing, so wise men say, as long as men say they love them, to define what the love of a man meant to a woman, and to explain the love of a man. She said that that man was wise who had said that love was like religion, and must be done well or not at all, but that she had never yet found in any man sincere love
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in materia obscura, permit me to befoul the logs with idiocy.
trinque: btw no insult meant to esthlos; we'll get an ebuild in there for his vtron as well, but he lacks a differ, and thus it's not a full v
asciilifeform: the current rk gentoo is based on it
asciilifeform: ( my old workhorse x60 is not a cuntoo, it is in fact my original deloused-gentoo platform on which i derived the poetteringism-exclusion, gcc<5, etc flags and related items )
trinque: can't wait to see a post on that either
trinque: btw my work for the day shall be getting phf's vtools into the cuntoo build, after which first cut should be done.
asciilifeform: billymg: pretty much errybody here is at the stage where '1e6 hours worth of meaningful work, but only so many in life' -- but i gotta say i prefer this 'problem' to the alternative
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wake up and there's like... cool shit made! seemingly overnight!
billymg: mircea_popescu: that's the plan, hoping to publish a few "guide" posts
asciilifeform: billymg: diana_coman is the current bleeding edge pilot user, she may be able to answer specific q's re practicals
asciilifeform: billymg: gcc >=5 is broken, this is clearly spelled out in the l0gz
mircea_popescu: so keep notes, and then there's your first article for free -- "how i pressed mp-wp to give self proper www".
mircea_popescu is too lazy to make trilema article out of it, but imo some valid points of policy in there.
mircea_popescu: but read the paste, would you, it's actually interesting for once.
mircea_popescu: see, i pump out k's/day, i get back about 60-70% or so (imagine that!) the 90% of which directly to bin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're scatterback from my own bots.
asciilifeform: iirc they all have a perlistic 'gurl generator' going 24/7
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds , to my untrained eye at least, like spam from the site itself
mircea_popescu: i suppose people'd fall over if they discovered i own the most messaged-to acct on fetlife.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i simply discard lots and lots and lots of "705babygirl 23F sub 1m What?" ; they come in at the rate of a few / minute, and who the fuck cares anyway. "think of it as an intelligence test -- that you failed", right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's hard out there for a fat would-be whore that gets one message a year.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta wonder, do they answer erry nigerian 419 also ?
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what boggles my mind is that they dun see the plain fact that if yer response to 'oh noez, spam' is to sit down and write missive, you're ddosable with 1 finger << Pretty good measure of social placement. Do you need to filter all comers, or can you reply to spam without surrendering all the time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the aggrieved chix, whose spew mircea_popescu posted on several occasions
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whats the spam discussion about ?
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "difference between law and fetish is that law -- universal" immediately breaks down when i don't subscribe. and i can't be excluded, either, because that's the fucking value the whole thing's supposed to be predicated on.
asciilifeform: what boggles my mind is that they dun see the plain fact that if yer response to 'oh noez, spam' is to sit down and write missive, you're ddosable with 1 finger
mircea_popescu: but the points stand : equalitarianism and relativism ARE self-defeating ; there's nothing substantial to distinguish any fetish from any other fetish, and "niggers are people too" or "i am woman hear me roar" just as fetish and identically as fetish to furries or trannies.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is pretty plain that the 'oh noez, you spammed me! i'ma write lengthy whine' chixx didn't grow up in '90s
mircea_popescu: as slavegirl observes, "im sure the entirety of fetlife is offended!"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the fuck-them-with-their-own-overton-window front, my latest contribution on fetlife : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qyG9q/?raw=true
asciilifeform: and hence asciilifeform's interest in re mapping out the net and seeing how much living tissue, where.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 15:27 mircea_popescu: yes a bacillum is high tech arcana when compared to the mouthdribbler. nevertheless, the selector among high tech arcanna is precisely the bulk of undifferentiated biomass.
asciilifeform: ties in nicely with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861840 thrd, also. inca needs mass of 'african children' to be 'neutron absorber', anyffing, anyffing to keep the functional folx from meeting up.
asciilifeform: 'I’ve been patient, I’ve been gracious / And this mountain is covered with wolves / Hear them howling, my hungry children / Maybe you should stay and have another drink and think about me and you.'(tm)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 15:47 mircea_popescu: but the difference between integrated world and disintegrated world is specifically important, because common view of "postmodernism" is "woe poor man, overwhelmed".
mircea_popescu: the discussion of http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ dovetails here neatly : the ~illusion~ of "vastness" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861905 is deliberately constructed, specifically for the purpose.
asciilifeform: the funny bit is that even if errybody turned on ipv6, the result would simply be 9000x moar brekekekex. cuz it'll still work.
asciilifeform: it's exactly this. 'hmm how do we nail warez. iknow, they'll never meet in the vastness of outer 6byte space'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861989 << which precisely puts the gavinism of ipv6 in its proper context. "oh noes, think of those poor africans! how their exclusion would make republic work!!!"
asciilifeform: all this means is that you gotta do the initial infect , via whatever way, to get coupla 10k nodes.
asciilifeform: if all you got is 2 boxes randomly firing udp, they can sit for years and not meet
mircea_popescu: but yes it's trivial to do the maff to show that cost of acquisition vs timevalue of connection comes out green
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i noted as much ( re 'birthday' ), but did not bother to calculate the actual , aha
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying the mechanism's dysfunctional ; i just said your specific statement of probabilities was wrong
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, it worx for a spell ( how long, depends on the particular shitrouter )
asciilifeform: when you send a udp packet, it opens 'ephemeral' path through nat, that for a spell can hear a 'reply' ( which on may nat's, does not actually have to come from the same ip you transmitted to )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
asciilifeform: other interesting bit is that brute-force 'udp on random ports' worx great for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723494 pill against nat
asciilifeform: so i suspect the actual # of packets ( and time ) req'd , goes down ~geometrically~ with the # of working noades
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also complicating the maffs is that the 'time req'd to be head' depends not only on particular node's 'shout', but those of ~others~
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 16:25 mircea_popescu: the probability to observe less than one event in a 85899 assay set is what, 18% or so.
asciilifeform: bought, at some cost, at one time i saw the period docs
BingoBoingo: They bought, or is that cover story for rare goal scored by CIA?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in ru there's a massive hunt going somewhere, they were dumb enuff to buy 1500 beasts from usa in '50s and spread in forest 'for fur industry'
BingoBoingo: "Police say they have shot and killed six raccoons since Sept. 1 in Belleville"
asciilifeform: then you get an 'adult' ipv4 to do as you please.
asciilifeform: this is 1 of the reasons why the 'gold medal' for crapware folx today is usually to infect the nat boxen themselves.
asciilifeform: plus there's the fact that nearly all konsoomer boxes (i.e. potential bots) are behind nat.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 16:14 mircea_popescu: which is why all the "oh noes advertise ip" bla bla machinery is always a sign of idiocy on the part of "designer". trbi needs "ip backflow" like i need power rangers in my living room.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861967 << tbf, taking a net to the # of nodes where blind shooting is reasonably fast peer finder, takes a '1st stage rocket' of some form
mircea_popescu: one of these days ima have to learn math.
mircea_popescu: the probability to observe less than one event in a 85899 assay set is what, 18% or so.