mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?
asciilifeform: i still dun know what the actual keyspace is, just yet
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.
asciilifeform: ( by a certain mugurel.andreica<at>cs.pub.ro . wonder if spyked et al know the fella )
mod6: holy smokes, welcome to the rolls :D
trinque: at any rate, welcome Mocky to the rolls
trinque: lol, before anybody says anything, somebody previously asked for me to increase the first belch of poasts.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> sorry for my absence lately, getting over the flu. << May you achieve victory soon
trinque has been following the snake hunt as mental bandwidth permits, will be rereading
trinque: sorry for my absence lately, getting over the flu.
asciilifeform: 'First of all you can’t get power to charge your laptop. Anywhere. Electrical outlets in customer areas: it’s just not done here' << sounds like the ultimate trial for us x60 folk
asciilifeform: hm trinque is Mocky currently in the deedbot rotation ? i missed his last 2 posts apparently
asciilifeform: so for bit 0 of w, h21 ^ f21 ^ d21 ^ a21 ^ 1 == w0, and if you want that w0 they gotta sum to same thing mod-2 , no matter what. but for the ~last~ bit of W, you have 79 whole slots ! that still only gotta add up to same thing mod-2 ! many more variants .
asciilifeform: btw if it aint obvious -- the denser the horiz. path across the pic, the ~easier~ it is to find alt-solutions to that line of the expansion (i.e. rearrangements of the input key that yield the same mod-2 summation when multiplied with that row of the matrix )
asciilifeform: it's funny, if only to me -- if author wanted to make the keyspace == 2**256, all he would have had to do is to drop a copy of the 256bit key into the expansion. but i can already picture the fatlogic, 'oh noez, that wouldn't do, will leak key via plaintext cuz not whitened'
asciilifeform: i'm reminded of the chessboards they used to print in sov newspapers. after a good rain.
asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing why holyshit.png doesn't appear in the orig 'serpent' paper, or the mountain of 'analysis' ... )
diana_coman: myeah, I was just admiring them
asciilifeform: but simply from the pic you can already see, with naked eye , 'floor tiles'
asciilifeform: i expect the gaussation itself could take coupla wks on dulap, once the req'd pieces are cut and glued
asciilifeform: for example, 32 lines of the bitmap represent the first 32bit word of the 528-byte inflatolade.
asciilifeform: it's a matrix of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/serpent/serpent_with_reduction.txt , prepped for gaussian row-reduction ( xor-sat is in p! motherfuckers ) with horiz. axis -- key bitz, vertical -- expansion bits...
asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.
BingoBoingo: ^ Shirley there have to be entertainment applications for this
asciilifeform: ( iirc symmetric keys are supplied, per protocol, by client, so not an issue there )
asciilifeform: will note, tho, re fg timeouts -- the most likely waiting-on-fg scenario is starvation, rather than outright hangage , thing shits out 7kB/s per spec, 8 on a good day; i expect it will be the limiting reactant re how many rsa msgs / sec can be produced
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 18:15 asciilifeform: in unrelated minor lulz, discovered yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865517 : 213.148.193.153
asciilifeform: in very other noose, found another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867757 , 27.76.232.151 . making for 4 known shitslingers , of this type , on btc net
asciilifeform: fwiw i've witnessed the death of usb ports per se.
asciilifeform: granted i've yet to witness a dead fg. but i dun have a written guarantee from the gods, that they can never die, no
asciilifeform: diana_coman: metoo, i had to breathe ada for yrs before working all the c sad out of my follicles
diana_coman: asciilifeform, so far I'd rather have halted box than continuing
asciilifeform: diana_coman: rng.adb / Get_Octets -- you'll prolly want a timeout there
asciilifeform: ( c 'unions' are sad cuz c dun give you any portable knob for cementing where the bits actually go; ada's records are sane, you can specify the exact location of erry element, paddings, endianisms, bit orders )
asciilifeform: but pointing out for the l0gz, that there's a 'ecologically clean' variant for those.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re: ToOctets / ToBitstream / etc -- do you know that ada has 'variant records' (similar to ye olde C 'unions' , but with typechecking ) , you could in principle use'em and avoid the conversions, for slightly cleaner proggy
asciilifeform: ( keep in mind that it will give you all the ones that your ~particular~ gnat supports; but nao that we have the makings of a cemented gnat, this is less of a concern )
asciilifeform: but i dun recall from my head; it is in the logs somewhere
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's a gnat flag that actually gives you all permissible constraints, whether you knew about them or not, that can be then thrown straight into restrict.adc
diana_coman: there is some benefit to even knowing what you need to relax and why
asciilifeform: that way it is possible to write a piece under 1 set of constraints, and then permit it to run in a larger proggy with looser ones
diana_coman: asciilifeform, certainly; my approach so far though was simply "start with the fascist restrictions since they are available and then - if and when needed, explicitly relax them"
asciilifeform: it is one of the reasons why i section my routines into staticlinkable libs , rather than 'take this and cut&paste'
asciilifeform: there is no particular reason why ~erry~ proggy has to have the same pragma fascism as ffa ( and in fact i've written several that cannot function under that set of constraints, e.g. the mmap thing requires System.Address )
asciilifeform: implicit conditionals aint evil per se , tho ; i banned them in ffa specifically as they get in the way of constanttimeism, is all
asciilifeform: ( the only other operation i know to do this, is array concatenation ; hence my earlier suspicion )
asciilifeform: 'No Implicit Conditionals' bans this, with the result of banning such forms
asciilifeform: and inserts the check
asciilifeform: ada treats any statement that divides by anything other than an immediate constant ( incl. / or mod by a named constant ) as potentially div0-barfing
diana_coman: myeah, but not as clear wtf goes on in there
diana_coman: myeah, type is modular; z_length is a constant though and ugh, not 0 because then you have no state to talk of
asciilifeform: ahahaha it's the implicit div0 check
asciilifeform: ( using the ada ampersand notation )
diana_coman: lemme find the line, 1 sec
asciilifeform: 'The "No Implicit Conditionals" restriction for the whole smg comms had to be discarded because of the Keccak...' << this is odd; is there an array concatenation in keccak ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah; part of the reason why I did not just nuke the C thing but rather kept them both in there at least for now
asciilifeform: the q, i mean.
asciilifeform: ( it goes straight to the /tmp files horrors )
Mocky: I have more blog posts churning thru the pipeline atm, mostly written for some days now. photo handling jammed up my process
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the caveat re my method, is that i do not presently know how to ~portably~ 'lock' the thing ( so >1 process dun eat from it )
diana_coman: "Over the next few days I started to meet people and collect the items I’d need to survive. " - ahahaha, that guide to Doha-zone was nice to read; how's that quest going?
asciilifeform: 'The new Ada code simply reads from a Fuckgoats that it expects to be available at a pre-set path, *already initialised*1 and ready to read from' << ha, nice
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 16:56 mircea_popescu: ie, they'll buy your used underwear to wear on head just as well.
asciilifeform: if somehow FG were to catch on with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866428 crowd, the situation will not differ so much from the current : coupla 100 people will have the genuine article, and 9,999,999 sad folx will have physically-similar item made in hong kong to washington's specs. and i couldn't do a thing about it.
asciilifeform: wot + hand-delivery cuts, in a way, this knot. but not practical for konsoomer/heathen iron, sadly.
asciilifeform: it's an open problem, and will prolly forever remain, in some sense, open; but afaik the gold standard is still a powered, disturbance-sensitive storage on-die.
asciilifeform: some variant of the 'nail polish' trick, would help, but not cure, this headache.
asciilifeform: for instance, i have here 2 FG units i flew ~back~ from pizarro, they had been pawed by randos when ben_vulpes had his customs debacle. in so far as i can tell , they have orig firmware still, and by erry possible test they are virginal, but even i cannot say whether they're 'still FG' or not !
asciilifeform: wot/chain-of-custody is the only known pill, and it still comes pretty shaky guarantees.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 19:59 mircea_popescu: though it seems on some level this is a religious behaviour, "very easy to come up with ideas very hard to evaluate them". well... something's defo broken then!
asciilifeform: the problem faced by even fella with a first-class head, when buying 'crypto iron', is a 9000x hypertrophied instance of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867790 boojum -- to know what he's getting, he is stuck with much ~harder~ problem than even original maker had in making the artifact to begin with !
asciilifeform: naturally this aint exactly commercially-hotstuff, it suffers from same problem as my other items, e.g. FG, namely that there's maybe 100 thinking people alive total, i.e. folx who could reliably distinguish the real thing from 9000x-cheaper imitation liquishit.
asciilifeform: ( even answering the q of just where inside the brick the thing is, without heat stress or saw, will be painful )
asciilifeform: ( for bonus, sync the units after you've already cast'em into bricks of lead )
asciilifeform: cutting into the ic package, probing, etc. will change the capacitance and throw the lines out of phase.
asciilifeform: i suspect it's the closest thing physically possible to saw-proof sram 'safe'.
asciilifeform: ( and no, you can't buy remanence-free sram, afaik, off-the-shelf, i devised it and it is published only in the l0gz.)
asciilifeform: but you dun get the charge accumulation that makes for successful 'freeze with ln2 and read' .
asciilifeform: thing is powered at all times, so it knows what the relation b/w the primary clock and the phases is.
asciilifeform: Mocky: if you're speaking of the 'remanence-free sram' -- think of it as a 1950s-style delay line store, with 1 (on-die) delay line per bit ( and not even necessarily, each can store multiple bits )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 01:51 asciilifeform: if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even
asciilifeform: hypothetically, it'd be safe to transport, or even mail; it is impractical to capture,saw open,dump contents,bake a substitute with the copied pad,and deliver to unsuspecting counterparty, inside the space of day or two. esp. if you make the pad live in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656777 sram, rather than flash .
asciilifeform: i.e., ic that when paired with another of its kind, and rng, saves internally the pad; but won't simply disgorge it unless in a synchronous link with the item it was synced with, as described in the algo.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 17:54 asciilifeform: the idea being, that nobody lacking a copy of the pad can cause you to wind yours forward.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, had thought, in re 'candidates for asicization', http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865459 mechanism prolly oughta be on the list.
asciilifeform: meanwhile , in the world of the c-machine, https://archive.is/e5xD9 >> 'curl contains a heap out of buffer read vulnerability... stderr... formats the output to wrap at 80 columns. The wrap logic is however flawed, so if a single word in the message is itself longer than 80 bytes the buffer arithmetic calculates the remainder wrong and will end up reading behind the end of the buffer' etc
mod6: diana_coman: ah, thanks for the info! will check it out :]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I did not yet have the time to look at it in more detail, I just skimmed through the results
diana_coman: mod6, also, re running keccak by itself - have a look at the tests that I provided for it in eucrypt as they work effectively as an "example of running keccak" too
phf: the hash verification is not really necessary, since vpatch does it already, but above changes are drop in (could e.g. switch between vtools and legacy with a flag)
asciilifeform: lessee if mircea_popescu or diana_coman beat me to the pill, i'ma not spoil the exact algo just yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 21:36 asciilifeform: if all (a0..a31, b0..b31, ...) appear in the expansion, then serpent aint actually braindamaged in the sense originally contemplated by asciilifeform .
mod6: oh, that's right, the patch is pressed, ~then~ each of the files touched is hashed & verified. makes sense now.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, thanks. interesting that the pressed READMEs before it didn't choke.
asciilifeform: folx with their 3rd eye open, can prolly see where this is going.
mircea_popescu: yes the current eucrypt tree uses keccak
mod6: no huge worries, was just getting prepped to start looking at keccak, and to see if there is a stand-alone binary for keccak
mod6: here's my sha512 of the eucrypt_genesis.vpatch: sha512sum patches/eucrypt_genesis.vpatch
mod6: Can anyone else confirm? Maybe I did something wrong or have the wrong file?
mod6: Ok, nevermind, they don't seem to be. But I just simply pressed the genesis and it barfed on a README file:
mod6: Does anyone know if the current eucrypt tree uses keccak hashes in its vpatches?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the only moral being... "opressed groups are opressed for a fucking reason".
BingoBoingo: Yup, cucked by their own old wank
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo right, which is the point : minority group is opressed and wanks accordingly.
mircea_popescu: the "safety" being, of course, little expectation to run into a "wtf are you on about, you just multiply, what's to understand".
BingoBoingo: Eh, the drumpf thing was a John Oliver cancer. The reason has been resurrected now is the NPC meme people are using it to mock the anti trumpers. It's all part of dismissing pantsuit complaints as "Orange Man Bad"
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like an imaginary situation where the math flunkies agree to call exponentiation "expies", strictly for the reason that this way, if anyone ever says "expies" they can SAFELY (!!!!! important point here !!!!) go into a "omfg how about those expies they're so incomprehensible!!!" routine.
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying the pantsuit's creative or anything. i'm just amused at how fucking awkward they can get, srsly, need special words for things that only other similar idiots would be using so as not to risk conversation with someone not similarly fucktarded ?
asciilifeform: but funnily enuff that was the only place i ever saw it, prior to mircea_popescu's mention
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, for every eventual hot topic item there's 5k groups-of-friends who think they invented it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other pantsuit lulz, the emerging convention is to call trump "drumpf". because, see, if someone does, then the repressed awkwardsuckers in the audience know it's SAFE!!!
mod6: *my node to the list of
mod6: Alright folks, my node is back up. And have re-added my list to the advertised republican nodes.
asciilifeform: if all (a0..a31, b0..b31, ...) appear in the expansion, then serpent aint actually braindamaged in the sense originally contemplated by asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: and, if we feel like it, can apply the sboxes of http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/22/eucrypt-chapter-11-serpent/#selection-87.13307-87.14692 and produce a 100%-algebraic statement of the entire key inflater.
asciilifeform: we will also know if some appear more times than others, i.e. producing a nonflat keyspace.
asciilifeform: which will answer the orig puzzler.
asciilifeform: ... at the end of which, we will know if all of the key bits actually appear in the expansion.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: later tonight i'ma post the version with reduction
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw this code is actually so nice to read; and no, I don't see any trouble with it nor anything that doesn't make sense (I did have to search for some of the lisp routines but that's just my lack of lisp-fu and it was easy enough to find out what they do more clearly)
asciilifeform: really, 1) flatten the tree 2) group the constants together 3) xor the constants into one 4) eliminate duplicate terms
diana_coman: it actually helps (with following the whole thing) to see this intermediate step too (rather than just directly the fully massaged version)
asciilifeform: still needs alge-massager to turn all the e.g. (XOR 1 b21 e21 g21 (XOR 0 a10 d10 f10 h10)) into (XOR 1 b21 e21 g21 a10 d10 f10 h10)
asciilifeform: if we end up not breaking the thing, it'll go straight to generating the verilog logic for the key unroller.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman ^ still needs the elementary reduction massage, but i went ahead an' posted, in case somebody wants.
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2632 << Loper OS - Terms -88 of the Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule in Algebraic Form.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, uhm, I thought that there was at least ONE thing clear: namely that "something's defo broken"
mircea_popescu: though it seems on some level this is a religious behaviour, "very easy to come up with ideas very hard to evaluate them". well... something's defo broken then!
asciilifeform: much moar difficult to say whether is worth anyffing.
asciilifeform: these are very easy to make up.
mircea_popescu: to use it as a cipher i'd do a K exchange and then f(P-1) xor P = E. where P-1 is the previous message.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox, at least superficially, like a ok prng (for tetris at least). but how didja get the idea that it's fit for cipher ?
mircea_popescu: is cut up into as many whole chunks of equal size to K as possible and the resut of their xoring together is the new K. stateful prng.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, how about this : let K being the key n bits long (say 512), and let f(x) = 2 * K[0] * x ^ n + 3 * K[1] * x ^ n-1 + 5 * K[2] * x ^ n-2 + 7 * K[3] * x ^ n-3 + 11 * K[4] * x ^ n-4 +...+ 3643 * K[n-2] * x ^ 2 + 3659 * K[n-1] * x + 3659. f(x) will produce a pile of bits, this pile is cut in half and xored together, the result is cut in half again. one such half is returned as the prng output ; the other such half
asciilifeform: to merit shooting, had to be either spy, or serial killer, or at least illicit gold dealer (1 afaik case , under hruschev)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: largely troo. with the exception of a few speshul trainflakes kept in 'психушка' , max term of imprisonment was 15y -- for instance.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phunphakt -- in ye olde su, radio 'hooliganism' (as it was called) was rampant, almost rite of passage for electronics experimenters, and penalty was pretty soft by current-day reich's standards (generally limited to confiscation of the gear. which was made from junkyardwars at any rate, so not particularly big deal)
BingoBoingo: Linked stories at the bottom suggest back in 2016 while they were still closed, some kangaroos were stolen
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder what else they've got; maybe also a lunapark where only the employees get to ride
BingoBoingo: Apparently the bum encampment that is the closed Zoo actually still has exotic animals including this recently deceased hippo
BingoBoingo: So, in local bullshit it turns out the closed Zoo still has fucking animals https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/murio-clorinda-la-hipopotama-del-zoologico-de-villa-dolores-20181030115114
asciilifeform: btw, BingoBoingo , re waaay upstack -- trb 'throws bastards' from the simple reason that it doesn't keep track of peer heights, and ~always~ retransmits any block that it gets and happily welds to longchain
asciilifeform: ( i'm not actually certain why we do this test prior to bastardism, there's 0 point running any test on a block that fails do-we-have-its-father litmus . really this is leftover logic from removal of orphanage )
asciilifeform: more interestingly, there was even 1 of 10/30/18 17:05:41 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED from peer 213.148.193.153
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 22:46 asciilifeform: i suspected shitfork, when realized that the 501 blox gotta be a few kB most, ea. -- my pipe couldn't disgorge 501 human-sized blox in <2sec
asciilifeform: in unrelated minor lulz, discovered yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865517 : 213.148.193.153
mircea_popescu: yeah ; and it'd better not be, the floor keeps crumbling underneath.
asciilifeform: ( and from there, whole chain )
mircea_popescu: i suppose that could be the backup alternative then : if we end up ditching serpent, we use a rsa packet to move ~1.4kb of entropy for initializing the mt, and then use mt generated pads for a cipher.
diana_coman: for the udp tester
mircea_popescu: as best i can tell -- the only options are either keep using serpent or else use some kind of recursive hash otp
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, we agree on the result but not on the formula, lol; your formula says e(2)=p(2) xor k(1)*p(1) xor k(2)*p(2) xor k(3)*p(3) xor k(4)*p(4) right?
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, asciilifeform will mention that he does not believe that ecc, as seen in bitcoin, is necessarily strong -- if there's a break, we won't hear of it unless somebody is catastrophically stupid -- it is analogous to those old safes that included 10 pounds of thermite for erry pound of benjie, torch it and you lose whole thing
asciilifeform: rsa & c-s (the latter, really a narrowed elgamal) are the only 2 oasis i know to exist in that desert.
asciilifeform: ( the 'intuitive' cure, 'let the primes be a sequence of primes, no prime used twice' is still breakable with fermat )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 16:53 asciilifeform: ( tho the reason why rsa is based on exponentiation, rather than straight multiplication-of-'plaintext'-prime-by-seekrit-prime is that in the latter variant you could trivially extract seekrit-prime with gcd )
asciilifeform: whereas if you don't throw them out, you have a reversible thing that is just multiplication, and i can gcd(p1,p2) == K.
asciilifeform: ( in the | 2^512 )
mircea_popescu: myeah. there's just no wai outs.
asciilifeform: it's the add-without-carry thing again
asciilifeform: to make life even harder, rsa also suffers from 'can haz provably hard case' problem, there's classes of 'easy' primes, and no particular reason to think that we exhaustively know all of'em..
asciilifeform: ditto prng. they're legs of triangle.
asciilifeform: ( they're the same thing, if you had a provably working one, you get the other 2 gratis )
mircea_popescu: attempts to act "as if you had" will result in the above -- shredder.
mircea_popescu: there will be no altcoin ; there will be no alt-cipher ; this is a jealous god we got here.
asciilifeform: it's the reason for asciilifeform's lulzsubmission to mircea_popescu's 'block contest'. it wasn't even joak, it was 'rsa is the only tool in that box that i have any reason to think actually worx'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 16:51 asciilifeform: the closest thing i can think of to a working variant of mircea_popescu's device, is where you keep the carries, and use primes... and we know it as.. rsa
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867702 <<< very much this ; whereby it's actually the case we're starting to move towards an actual completion of the fucking field.
asciilifeform: in '16 i burned coupla months on the q of 'can haz', mainly on np-hard problems / turing-complete cellular automata, in place of sboxation. but got stuck on the 'guaranteed hard instance' boojum.
mircea_popescu: and i further agree with you -- it is a very strong commentary and ceiling upon the security of "block ciphers". because yes, literally, all otehrs are just this with magic-numbered RBs. which... is EXACTLY the same "introduce say crc", except hidden under so much smoke.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree with you, this is a shredder not a cipher ; moreover -- if we for instance tried to add say crc into the message as padding, then therefore we'd be by the same hand introducing structure, ie weakness.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 20:56 asciilifeform: the basic boojum is that it aint a cipher of any kind, and the ubiquitous sbox derpery is simply squid ink to obscure this. maslennikov details how he pointed this out to 1980s kgb and got sacked.
asciilifeform: ( tho the reason why rsa is based on exponentiation, rather than straight multiplication-of-'plaintext'-prime-by-seekrit-prime is that in the latter variant you could trivially extract seekrit-prime with gcd )
asciilifeform: the closest thing i can think of to a working variant of mircea_popescu's device, is where you keep the carries, and use primes... and we know it as.. rsa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck me, NOW i understand what you were on about yest --- E aren't THE RESULTS, but merely THE LAST BIT of a result. consequently, not actually eq system.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler, btw -- if you had normal addition, yer algo reduces to 'multiply P by K', it'd then be exactly my 'egyptian' multiplier )
asciilifeform: the gaussian elimination thing would work if you had add (as in with carries) rather than xor
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, but uhm, isn't that precisely the example I give in the comment and which leads to the wrong value? this: but with the formula above it would be E(2)= P(2) xor 0*P(1) xor 1*P(2) xor 0*P(3) xor 1*P(4) = P(2) xor P(2) xor P(4) = 1 xor 1 xor 0 = 0 .
mircea_popescu: just like in the 80s, that same "here i am" was http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/
mircea_popescu: i think it goes deeper than that. the fundamental, biology-based female strategy is "here i am".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect roughly same dynamic as old-style spam. i.e. 'i heard others are doin' it, there gotta be moneys in it, so i'ma buy a webcam and interactivefetish kit'
mircea_popescu: pardon the spam ; i bothered because honestly, this is paradigmatic. i dunno any pantsuits ACTUALLY exist ; but i know for sure there's millions of these rachel-hos.
asciilifeform: kinda how americanfootballists keep playing until their legs won't carry'em
mircea_popescu: aactually... "I LOVE MY FANS XOXO I do Professional Foot Modeling, Fetish Work. I created this for exposure and business, Plus I love the Fetish World. I have experience with Photoshoots, Traveling, BDSM, PRO DOMME, Foot Fetish Services, and Foot NIght International, video editing, production, directing. I started from the ground up and am proud of the climb.
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t2Mou/?raw=true << dude fucking webtard sites... who the fuck lives like this ?!
mircea_popescu: there's also that.
asciilifeform: there's an imho moar pertinent mircea_popescu piece, where 'archaetypical kid made gift for mother, out of acorns and matchsticks' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so, the above : dood "wants to contribute". this want leads him through the rest.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, check that out, i found one of these for once.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 17:27 mircea_popescu: given the list of all the things that have been said already (this is really a tree, but in his perspective it's flattened into a list by nulling out all the values associated with the string nodes), his choice is :
a111: Logged on 2015-02-16 06:45 mircea_popescu: read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-16#1020689 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644151 (and of course, all skirting for http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ )
mircea_popescu: not enough "money" in the imaginary world for THAT, bitches!
a111: Logged on 2015-09-11 12:10 mircea_popescu: Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." / http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-11#1270344 << uncovering lulz in the process. ahh, recall back when usg thought it could BUY the republic ?
mircea_popescu: i've temporarily misplaced the discussion of "let's say what can be said", brb finding it.
asciilifeform: ( ftr i dun currently have the faintest notion re how to prove that keccak is injective )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867617 << this is lulzy indeed -- 'let's replace 1 hash where we dun have proof of injectivity with ~another~ where we dun even know where to start proving' ?!
mircea_popescu: now if only i managed to get these right on the first pass, stop confusing the shit out of everyone...
asciilifeform: i'm quite reluctant to continue with the fpgaization thing unless i can get at the former.
asciilifeform: 2nd best, is that i find the pill.
asciilifeform: ideally what i'll find is a proof that there are exactly 2**256 528byte expansions .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct, i haven't found the item i was looking for, thus far
diana_coman: asciilifeform, so you set A to the constant so that it cancels out with that rather than "any A as long as (xor a d f h)=0"
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'ma feed the thing into an algebratron later tonight
asciilifeform: the alternative is simply too lulzy to take seriously, just nao
asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aZuZQ/?raw=true << example of term elimination. but tbf i'm still working from the hypothesis that i must be mistaken, somewhere, and all of the keybits are conserved, and could prove this somehow...
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 17:45 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the point is the cannabis forum wankers essentially invented their own Monsanto in the same way Linus and the men alone invented their own Microshit
a111: Logged on 2018-10-21 21:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864445 << not so, was briefly dead but then adobe released a new set after 5+ years silence and it's catching back up.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the parallel is actually quite striking, yes; otherwise though, if there is ONE thing that living in several countries teaches one is that there is nothing "Romanian" , yes
mircea_popescu: are 30something men and b) while her brain's the size of a pea.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 01:58 BingoBoingo: I'd take banksy a lot more seriously if he caught the bad side of the feds, won on appeal, touched the republic, then decided he could stack his own chairs just fine as he proceeded on his moon mission
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867432 << thinking about it, yes i agree the jew-nazi has a more colorful life story. but think about it : his entire's life work, his sum total accomplishment, is being an aide to an obscure publisher of inconsequential tracts. this is exactly danielpbarron 's position, and it ain't much. that florida beauty queen had them beat, for instance, and she had them beat a) in her 20s, while these
diana_coman: in short: I am not yet able to fully eliminate A when I impose that (XOR A D F H #9e3779b9# 0)=0 ; do you actually have the re-rewritten transformations without A anywhere?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 22:56 diana_coman: basically I get http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867091 BUT can't yet follow it to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867092 mainly because it seems to me that the effect of A is basically in fixing d,f,h (so that xor(a,d,f,h)=0); in short: wouldn't a change (of any number of bits) in a trigger (if imposing xor(a,d,f,h)=0 still) changes further in b-h so that the resulting key schedule is different? theoretically that would be the ration
diana_coman: the above is what I meant earlier by the effect of A (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867350)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 23:13 asciilifeform: if you have d,f,h, such that a == d xor f xor h ( or if you like , a xor d == f xor h , or a xor d xor f == h , it's transitive) then a term disappears from the eqn
diana_coman: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867369 -> there's something I don't get here: if A xor D xor F xor H = 0 then this imposes F xor H = A xor D and so you'd need to substitute that everywhere else because F and H are not anymore free to be whatever or the initial a xor d xor f xor h won't hold anymore; more precisely: further down the line for instance at W(2) that F xor H is in fact A xor D so A does actually still appear,
BingoBoingo: So... the author is saying Sarah was a crocodile
mats: my blog post is still forthcoming, just delayed a couple weeks. chinese class is picking up a bit, so i've been focusing my attention there
mircea_popescu: let's give this thing another try ; same riders as b4.
BingoBoingo: Who knows maye 10 years down the line I catch up to the log summaries and manage to stabilize a cannabis cultivar that gives a pleasant head rush with minimal stupids and sedation in contrast to Pantsuit fad pressure dab shit.
BingoBoingo: In still other anyways, where I am today I see the endgame where Pizarro survives to Profitability; I continue Qntra and other writing/social engineering, and gardening someting other than container chives while a republican colony settles down in this Martian hellscape wouldn't be a bad play.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I guess next time sell the car? Trade it for a pnoHe and then sell the pnoHe in destination?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, after spending more time here I went from seeing contrasts versus Argentines on landing, to similarities to Argentines during the time ben_vulpes was here, to now accepting the Uruguayos are weird and alien in a way that makes the Argentines look like hill billies
mircea_popescu: i dunno, some weird drama. i guess fambly figured they owned her or soemthing.
BingoBoingo: lol, did she really just cut the family out of her international move?
mircea_popescu: ahahah btw, thart's fucking genuine. bitch abandoned her car where they shot some people, ended up suspected perp/victim in multi-homicide.
BingoBoingo: And... my rant got upstaged by the escapee from the shittier part of Illinois. Well played nicoleci
BingoBoingo: As I curse the undead zombies that doom me to walking the beach in the wee hours all by myself because a country with a car ownership rate near zero somehow managed to not adopt sane pedestrian customs
BingoBoingo: As a socially maladjusted fringe figure the Republic has lead me to living in a puzzle playground that fascinates me so incredibly much