moiety: one ticket off the planet please!
ThickAsThieves: the jig!
assbot: Line betting on BitBet, July 2014 | The Whet
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla:who figured out betting on 'no' works again? /// not hanbot! http://thewhet.net/2014/line-betting-on-bitbet-july-2014/
moiety: sounds perfect :] i'm good too, been away couple days (came back to feed the cats though), feeling refreshed.cats are bouncing off the walls now im back
ThickAsThieves: i'm pretty good, coffee in hand, cat on lap, catching up on the internet
ThickAsThieves: http://upstart.bizjournals.com/entrepreneurs/hot-shots/2014/08/01/the-man-who-would-undo-wall-street-by-offering.html?page=all
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: ;; later tell ben_vulpes re gpg video, i'm no video maker, i'm happy to voice it but i'm not confident about making the video.
ThickAsThieves: I'm wondering if the blog in question should be in teh b-a feed still.
gribble: Hollywood was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 49 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Hollywood> I only am because it is the top post on the forum, but I don't want to read it and waste brain cells
ben_vulpes: lol p funny how the standing-up reflex is hardwired in.
mircea_popescu: of course they are. there's insane variance over ethnic groups and historical periods.
mircea_popescu: the problem is those probably have links too.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you do this thing where you start linking 2 more of your previous blog posts in the middle of the one I'm reading when things are getting interesting, it's like a psychological hook
cazalla: you don't see ski slope titties either, saw a lot of them in vintage porn circa 30's 40's 50's
mircea_popescu: it used to be half the girls, when i was 15. by now it's maybe one in ten ? twenty ?
cazalla: ooh, nice pointy ones, don't see them much anymore
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJNZwuamwj0&list=RDED5s1-Fe9FA << didn't you link the text version ?
BingoBoingo: No one plans for the MPquisition
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to leave golden age new york because you can't afford the rent
mircea_popescu: <decimation> granted, it's a mistake to think of that as another golden age too - there's a reason they all left Germany after all << that reason is population pressure.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I'm convinced that one of the reasons that pre-WWII germany spiraled out of control was because people who were able to make something of themselves had already left 50 years earlier << this is actually a pretty good theory.
mircea_popescu: And Grandma without joking, Said that when she was a young girl she could still drink from the Elbe, without getting sick
TheNewDeal: sounds like the US
BingoBoingo: But many of the German migrants weren't doing so out of poverty, but of poverty of opportunity and the perception of the opportunity to pretend to be the gentry they could not back home
decimation: granted, it's a mistake to think of that as another golden age too - there's a reason they all left Germany after all
BingoBoingo: Germany as a meaningful idea to their ancestors froze ~1830-1870
BingoBoingo: The Germans who settled the American frontier did not descend from techno clubs and Angela Merkel
BingoBoingo: decimation: Thread seems to support the idea that Germany only lives in books and the festivals he finds so offensive
decimation: honestly I think the old guy who grew up speaking Texas German has a better claim on "germanness" then some kid who was brainwashed with post WWII allied propaganda
decimation: somewhere in the logs I linked to a modern German who expressed absolute dismay at "german culture" in America
BingoBoingo: Who know what Scandanavian dialects might live in the frozen north of Minnesota
decimation: see the anglo elite above for why that didn't happen...
decimation: The British newspaperman visited America around 1898 I think, he mentioned the terrible might of America and express fear that they could invade ... England
BingoBoingo: With their own German dialacts
BingoBoingo: decimation: Similar towns exist in the Ozarks and Appalacia
assbot: Texas German - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: there is actually a small Germantown in America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_German
asciilifeform: there'll be great kings in future. but not willie with the beard, the one with the long, long beard.
decimation: nevertheless, like in Mircea's comic, real life goes on, and one cannot dwell in the past
decimation: supposedly they showed a great reverance for Tzar Nikolai
asciilifeform: there's its home now.
asciilifeform: germany is a thing that exists in the pages of books - like rome, ussr.
decimation: otherwise you might find a genuine Germantown somewhere
decimation: unfortunately the German population immediately gave up and submitted to anglo rule
asciilifeform: germany as cultural wasteland during the wars << same
decimation: and the rest died in WW I
decimation: I'm convinced that one of the reasons that pre-WWII germany spiraled out of control was because people who were able to make something of themselves had already left 50 years earlier
BingoBoingo: Well, over much of the US the reason why small town X and small town Y were not bigger town Z, was the differing origins of the original settlers
decimation: this might have worked out for the first generation, but now their great-great-great grandchildren are yearning for Kaiser Wilhelm here ...
decimation: Note that many of the Germans who yearned for old Kaiser Wilhelm went to America to live "free"
BingoBoingo: Watch the base of the thing holding the hoop http://cdn.fansided.com/gif/Paul_George_injury.gif
decimation: that makes me think of the Hessian Landesknecht dwelling across the Delaware from Washington's camp, waiting for the Whig generals to make up their mind...
decimation: lol the altcoin Urea?
mircea_popescu: but it's that so many men over the years thought about the possibility that maybe wifey/daughter/mom's just pregnant ?
mircea_popescu: take the immaculate conception. it's not that any woman ever did. not even close.
decimation: encouraging the masses to believe that they live at the end of history certainly helps this myth
mircea_popescu: i suppose the success of socialism may trace to this, that it has no mythical age in the past.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, the fellow who was ordered to behead his best chum
decimation: maybe he would then write about how his wife hates him or something
mircea_popescu: if his father was somebody he'd have been in a world of hurt.
decimation: in the days of arranged marraige he might have been issued a woman - if his father was a somebody
asciilifeform: (an organ like any other, apparently - fails)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, the various fringe groups all do this. anarchists have their pre-state garden of eden, so do goldbugs, so does everyone.
asciilifeform: if you examine in detail the incel 'canon', most of the afflicted tend to believe in a quasi-mythical past, when they would have, presumably, been 'issued' something to fuck - like a soldier is issued his uniform
mircea_popescu: http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Slutwalk+Hits+Melbourne+Streets+VlMuQYwSqO4l.jpg <<< ahahh o brother.
decimation: as the last pscyhiatrist might say, he might be happy if he wasn't so invested in being unhappy
decimation: "I got to have the pleasure of defending women from the barbs and negs of my player friends only to watch these same women i defended end up going home to sleep with them. My brain simply could not comprehend what the fuck was going on. What the fuck is wrong with these women? Oh Wait! I?m not allowed to question that."
mircea_popescu: icule, you are the poster child of Slutwalk. And so it is.
asciilifeform: old. there were at least two poor devils in alt.support.somethingorother who did just this
mircea_popescu: I deserved it for being unattractive. You deserved it for being too attractive. We both got fucked and not in the way we wanted it. You had no power and had violation inflicted upon you. I had no power or right to feel like a human being inflicted upon me. You were penetrated against your will. Feminism and woman bent me over and fucked me up the ass while laughing at me. We both wanted death. Yet i was a source of rid
mircea_popescu: In fact, you could call this my own personal rape. Im sure women will be up in arms for me calling it that, but what is the criteria for it? I feel shame. I am unable to talk about it with others. I will invariably be blamed for the outcome i suffered because of the way *I* acted. Being beta was wearing a miniskirt. Acting like a NiceGuy was being overly flirtatious. Respecting women and pedestalizing th
mircea_popescu: the guy i linked is actually noteworthy because he takes the dilution of rape one step further : he claims his experience's been rape.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> gedankenexperiment. imagine if it were not possible to starve to death - folks who can't find any food would, say, photosynthetize (this is not geometrically/thermodynamically possible in life, but imagine for a moment.) what would the people who have never, or almost never, eaten - write on the subject? << Reddit aspires to buy monitors with sufficient brightness to enable photosynthesis, gets scammed on kickstart
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever saw the daisies movie ?
mircea_popescu: the entire premise of norse heaven is food.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
punkman: sloth does photosynthesis http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/28/science/the-sloths-busy-inner-life.html
asciilifeform: even though man does not photosynthetize, this is rather close to reality in recent past. notice how prominently delicacies figure in old fairy tales
asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment. imagine if it were not possible to starve to death - folks who can't find any food would, say, photosynthetize (this is not geometrically/thermodynamically possible in life, but imagine for a moment.) what would the people who have never, or almost never, eaten - write on the subject?
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "idiots figure they're people too" side of the internet is like a lake of stu
mircea_popescu: we dun really need it either.
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as we got plenty o theorems already proven..
mircea_popescu: guess what ? that guy's still got theorems to prove.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'incel' article: what i always found interesting is that we always hear from the fellow who has yet to 'learn a skill become good at it' and not from the one who never learned how to safely unscrew the fuse on a woman because he had theorems to prove.
cgcardona: punkman: really? hmm well I guess that means that picking up some ether hoping they increase in value probably isn’t a good idea
cgcardona: mircea_popescu: i still don’t totally know how to use the book
punkman: cgcardona: there's no cap
mircea_popescu: tis in the book.
cgcardona: i’m still thinking of buying some there (yes I know the shame that will bring on me here)
cgcardona: where is the URL for that deal?
cgcardona: MP - I saw that you answered me that noone has taken you up on the ether. I’m kinda surprised.
mircea_popescu: odds are this bunch is more numerous than the bunch that still reads romanian press.
mircea_popescu: well... the press lol.
cgcardona: mircea_popescu: according to some shit I read in the press Romania just got into btc
mircea_popescu: according to some shit i read in the press.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona i bet you that's more per sq foot than the businesses in downtown san francisco can possibly afford
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/
cgcardona: mthreat: i was just paying 800 for a studio downstairs apartment but it was a little on the island style side of things so we upgraded to a 2 bedroom for 1500 in downtown kapaa that was baiscally like a vacation rental. very nice and clean
mthreat: cgcardona: they have schools on Oahu, big island, and kauai, and kauai just seems like the most beautiful of the islands
cgcardona: yeah i’ve yet to take helicopter tour there. I really wanted to this last time but never got around to it and then we ended up leaving early.
cgcardona: where are you now? It’s an amazing place to live. kind of expensive but worth the price for what you get
mthreat: cgcardona: when i get back to the US in 2016, i want to live there for 3-6 months, and i'm curious about housing options
cgcardona: yea I’ve lived there off and on several times since 2002. why?
BingoBoingo: I mean organisms without mitochondria still exist, but... at still greater cost in what they are limited to being.
mircea_popescu: kidneys, everything's worth it just to make the tiny coal plant go.
BingoBoingo: mitochondria though are the ultimate example though of "If you can, you must" as having mitochondira is so much better than not having them
BingoBoingo: Well, I may have to do some remembering... or reading... but it may have been a cellulaur organism rather than a virii that did mitochondrion
mircea_popescu: after all, they are genetically different (and that's why the mother dna is actually more dna than the father's)
mircea_popescu: justusranvier BingoBoingo re the virus discussion, i suppose you're familiar with the viral theory of the origin of the mitochondria
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the schmucks that don't make anything.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> If USG doesn't consider failure to pay federal taxes a basis to deny a security clearance, one wonders upon what basis the clearance is granted? <<< i don't think you understand how few people still pay their taxes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if easier to find bullet than coin, re-examine engineering priorities in project. <<< ahah the foregoing was worth it.
justusranvier: The characteristic that sets you apart from the other primates is the ability to derive universal principles and apply them.
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Well, I experience the world as homo sapiens
RebeccaBitcoin: I guess we then have to define eat
justusranvier: Rather anthromorphic of you
BingoBoingo: On the other hand... Sometimes I want to restrict my definition of living to things I could, at least in theory, eat.
justusranvier: We consider cells to be alive. We consider multicellular organisims to be alive. They aren't quite alive in the same way that so far eludes a precise definition.
justusranvier: As yet, there is no proper definition of life.
BingoBoingo: Or more virus's have all of the instructions to live, but none of the aparratus to live on their own
BingoBoingo: Well, technically they are roughly as living as fire
justusranvier: The viruses that make us sick are the failures of the virus world. The virus winners are the ones that create entirely new species.
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/line-betting-on-bitbet-july-2014/
BingoBoingo: A decent percent of the human genome share dna with various traditional STD causing pathogens.
assbot: Mammals Made By Viruses : The Loom
justusranvier: Evolution in action. The least-successful viruses kill their hosts quickly. The better ones kill their host more slowly so they can infect more people. THe most successful ones don't make the host sick at all, and instead infect the germ line and become immortal.
BingoBoingo: RebeccaBitcoin: Nah this is the one where seekrit Ebola cure gets snuck into worthless homeopathic remedies to save Obama care dollars.
RebeccaBitcoin: and shot down the plane
RebeccaBitcoin: how the US infected people with ebola
RebeccaBitcoin: oo are we discussing conspiracy theories?
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: From an article you linked >> "What they dont understand is that Ebola is unlikely to spread very far because it is so fatal." << What makes this new strain particularly dangerous is it is only killing ~60% of patients
justusranvier: But they can't just leave it at that. They've got to cloak it in a bunch of pseudoscience bullshit
justusranvier: So homeopathy is just another way of saying "sometimes if you make people feel better they heal faster"
justusranvier: I just wish they'd be honest. Placebos can do some good by lowering stress, which lowers cortosol, which would otherwise get in the way of natural healing processes.
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: There are many reasons why homeopathy is a scam, mircea_popescu: but yeah, i suppose it's a good proof they don't grok objective reality. << Homeopaths make their cheddar on conditions that test well against placebo
ben_vulpes: wrong chan, but if anyone's of the sentiment...
ben_vulpes: gpg --encrypt -r "$recip_1" -r "$recip_2" ... - how intersperse "-r" with the elements of $KEYS_OF_INTEREST
decimation: If USG doesn't consider failure to pay federal taxes a basis to deny a security clearance, one wonders upon what basis the clearance is granted?
decimation: I imagine the design tolerance of an SMT part is quite tight
decimation: asciilifeform: FYI you can listen to that Morse code vaccuum pendulum clock on the remote shortwave receiver I linked a few days ago.
asciilifeform: one more method. find and disassemble a computer. inside, search for an ic with quad flatpack (e.g. TQFP-44) package. lay tube sideways across (unpowered) pins, count pins. look up their pitch (typically 0.5mm).
asciilifeform: see also the tired old childrens' puzzle with barometer.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: measuring the OD of a tube << try archimedes. drown the tube, find displacement. then seal tube at one end, fill with water, find inner volume. what next - exercise for alert reader.
decimation: 9. The only feasible option for your own Benefit (is "come back" and surrender Here in the U.S.A. AS WELL AS "FACE THE MUSIC," as alleged by the Interviews to you on television on or about May 2014 (TO FACE THE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST YOU). Then, I will try to TONE THE MUSIC DOWN FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN DANCE EASILY WITH YOUR FAVORITE MUSIC AS WELL AS DANCE WITH (YOUR "PARTNERS") HEREIN.
asciilifeform: zeroes and equates to roughly 5.8 x 1023 times the gross domestic product of the United States.'
asciilifeform: Mr. Snowden is alleged to have taken against the United States and challenges Mr. Snowden to a
mthreat: ben_vulpes: MercadoLibre.com.ar is probably the closest thing
ben_vulpes: mthreat: what's the in-country equivalent?
ben_vulpes: better question: what are the major CLI clipboard interfaces on linux? xclip...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: that ain't maslow's pyramid for crying out loud. this is like the #1 libertard falsification topic or what ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and on the other news front, BITCHES! http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me03z25Pi91qlne6uo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: the major point of difference being that out of the glass, of water or of emotion, one can extract usable entropy. not so from logic, at all.
ColinT: It's a type of reasoning that we do subconsciously in order to guide our actions in the world - it's implications go beyond hot stoves though
chetty: I think there are some hormones in taht mix ..
ColinT: So they are computed yes
mircea_popescu: they speak english in emotion ?
mircea_popescu: <ColinT> I'm not someone who thinks rationally in groups - because groups of people don't think rationally << depends on the group.
chetty: well the odd thought flow here tends to but unusal ideas next to each opther, produces some very interesting results
pete_dushenski: well, the people here aren't just "humans," we're full fledged people
ColinT: I'm not sure humans are the greatest at coming to intelligent conclusions in groups
pete_dushenski: chetty: An English blogger writing for the Nomen Global Language Center in Utah was fired for posting about ?homophones? last week after his employer said the word was too close to ?homosexual? and ?homophobe.? << holy sweet mother of retardistan
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yeshiva | pl. Yeshivot 1. A Rabbinical Seminary in which young men studied Talmud under the guidance of learned Rabbis. The Yeshiva was a prominent part of E...
pete_dushenski: i started reading the logs daily in december 2013
pete_dushenski: ColinT we have a few other app developers in here, such as ben_vulpes
pete_dushenski: what are you working on these days?
The20YearIRCloud: The sentient computer systems set up to emulate foreigner behavior makes said maps
xanthyos: google earth is the proof
The20YearIRCloud: I have never been outside of the United States, therefore it can't be prove that other countries do exist.
xanthyos: then i got scurvy
The20YearIRCloud: i have a theory that everyone on the internet is a computer designed to interact with me. The reality is there was a global war 40 years ago that went nuclear, all countries do not exist, the US is the only one left
justusranvier: There are people who sell higher than 30C dilutions
xanthyos: homeopathy doesn't require any molecules of the original solution to remain. the theory is that it changes the resonance of surrounding water molecules in the same way that ice-nine worked in kurt vonnegut's "cat's cradle"
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i suppose it's a good proof they don't grok objective reality.
justusranvier: There are many reasons why homeopathy is a scam
mircea_popescu: no lol. it doesn't work at less dillution either :)
mircea_popescu: there's not an infinity of molecules in that solution
justusranvier: "If you're bleeding through your nose, use a 30 C dillution, if it gets worse and you start bleeding from your eyeballs, then increase the dilution to 50C!"
justusranvier: No, they inventing fake remedies from massively dilluted rattlesnake venom and selling them.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier what, they're going to africa to treat ebola through hidration ?
pete_dushenski: helps with the sleeps
mircea_popescu: jesus this is like... the perfect excuse, isn't it ? "i can only imagine how productive i'd be if". har har.
mircea_popescu: "I can only imagine what a productive member of civilization i would be IF i was brought up with masculine values and was sexually sated. Instead i spent my life living out the following tale trying to figure out what my problem was and living as a manic bipolar depressive. Instead here i sit, a MGTOW, never finding enough reason or desire to become productive beyond my own means."
justusranvier: So that tweet yesterday was apparently a bad idea. It just encourages them: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/08/01/homeopaths-and-ebola-virus-hemorrhagic-fever/
pete_dushenski: there's plenty of lebensraum to go around
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there are less populous countries than canada, but none on anywhere near this much land
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LJBF | LJBF. Abbreviation for "Lets Just Be Friends". Used mostly by women to indicate that they don't want a romantic relationship, but don't mind receiving attention ...
mircea_popescu: everyone got his own little ideographics and i need a dictionary to wade through the sad produce of idiots who can't be bothered to learn a language well.
pete_dushenski: brings to mind douglas adams' : "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
mircea_popescu: well canada's only one country on the grounds of there not being enough people in it to pay for two parliaments, amirite ?
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> what the fuck is with these social media people, srsly. they'll take the faintest hint of nothing as clear proof of their importance. //// If it's measurable, it has value!
pete_dushenski: suffice to say that nubbins` and i are 6,000km away from each other, and could be 7-8000 apart and still considered "in the same country"
pete_dushenski: see construction bubble, mayor tom ford, ethereum fucktards, hipster deluge, etc
pete_dushenski: people there are badly confused
pete_dushenski: and the m3 blogger looks to have toronto's skyline for a background
mircea_popescu: yes but for most nuts those patterns aren't talking directly to them saying "omfg you're so important and we're paying attention to you!11"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: humans find patterns in the most benign shit. see chemtrails
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is with these social media people, srsly. they'll take the faintest hint of nothing as clear proof of their importance.
assbot: MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: [actually no.. i've crossed 50k.] this dude... http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/ is at 61,193. FOR JULY.
pete_dushenski: the M division drops in bigger engines, turbocharged these days, into the regular cars, adds larger brakes, etc
Namworld: My steam account has 3393.73 USD in games in it. Definitly didn't spend that much on them tho. Thanks Humble Bundles.
pete_dushenski: 3-series is the compact sedan
pete_dushenski: m3 is the sportiest 3-series
pete_dushenski: m3 drivers do not under any circumstances take the girl home
mircea_popescu: but after a month in the harem, it's like... mmm... wanna lick my asshole bebbeh ?
mircea_popescu: it SEEMS like you'd do it 365 days a year, every waking moment, after a month in the can.
pete_dushenski: "I as a man, biologically driven365 days a year to ejaculate and produce sperm as often as possible, and having the drive and desire to want it every waning moment, who is villified for this natural urge and made to feel ashamed of my sexuality, control it and subdue it to conform to the feminine imperative…"
pete_dushenski: Airbnb iOS version 4.0.0: The Airbnb you know and love has a brand new look. Install the update and check it out! Featuring: 1) A new symbol designed to capture the spirit of our community and express what it means to belong anywhere. 2) Richer colours and more vibrant photography. 3) Booking trips, managing your listings, and other features continue to work the same way as before
pete_dushenski: there's nothing unique about anything yc touches
pete_dushenski: how altman found himself as president of anything more than the local car wash is a fucking mystery
mircea_popescu: because they're too busy going lalalala to get it.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, you have the fed fuckwits pumping money so as to protect "the economy". at the other end, the economy is this fuckwit. meanwhile argentina has to beat them over the head with a club,
mircea_popescu: how did he got off the set of "dude, where's my car" anyway ?
Namworld: Not so for those who had large amounts and expected to keep them that long, but eh
Namworld: Then MtGox's failure, even if they lose 90% of their BTC, will be a blessing because of the 10% they will not have been able to sell?
Namworld: I check it out every month or two, what's happening there.
Namworld: [16:22] <+Namworld> I'm surprised they'd make they effort to attempt it, would have imagined a straight liquidation of assets for distribution in fiat.