bvt: myeah, i solved it by maximally recreating the ffa project structure, so can't say i did anything informed by the 'first principles' there.
BingoBoingo: For want of a LISP machine... we are on track for a fascist superMIPs with bignum coprocessor before the end of Trump's second term.
asciilifeform: overall pattern is frequently 'aha, you banned this ? goodluck using the standard lib nao, where we used it 9000 times'. saw this with e.g. the secondary stack liquishit.
asciilifeform: really calls for a deep dig into the sores.
asciilifeform: ( how gnat goes about enforcing the various restrictions, is largely black art at this point, the most i can say is that it seems to 'fail deadly', i.e. ultra-conservatively banhammers yer entire proggy if it fails to satisfy various obscure this-and-not-that conditions )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
asciilifeform: bvt: pretty weird. sounds like you uncovered some bugolade in the spirit of the earlier http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 .
BingoBoingo: In other heathen headlines: Apparently Llamas (as opposed to alpacas) might have the proteins necessary for a universal flu vaccine
BingoBoingo: Well, hopefully they now that they have this niche that gets them headlines where they would otherwise have none, they keep pursuing it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: loox like they actually reversed some fw shitware, godly work
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> there are exactly 0 genuine-crypto hdd on heathen market, you can take this to the bank. << It's the assumption so safe it's not worth verifying unless your marginal University is trolling for headlines
bvt: otoh, when i added a single line 'package SIO is new Ada.Sequential_IO(Positive);' to ffa_calc.adb, it errored out during the compilation in the same way
bvt: ok, i have figured out one solution to the problem (at least on gnat 2017): can't have Ada.Sequential_IO specialization in the GPR_Project'Main file
asciilifeform: ( there's an unofficial fatwa against it, or sumthing )
asciilifeform: there are exactly 0 genuine-crypto hdd on heathen market, you can take this to the bank.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 17:19 asciilifeform: in other noose, yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867757 found : >>> 209.239.121.83
bvt: to clarify: base64 lib and applications are two separate gprbuild projects, -gnatec=base64/restrict.adc flag is only in the library project
bvt: No_Unchecked_Access is such restriction; i have tested a dummy application that does nothing but import and instantiate/specialize Ada.Sequential_IO instance for the datatype from base64 library. test application fails to compile, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vwno8/?raw=true http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qgs7E/?raw=true
bvt: i have structured the base64 tree as a directory with a library and example applications; only library is supposed to be compiled with restrictions, but some restrictions propagate to applications as well
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 20:39 bvt: found and unexpected problem that specialization of Ada.Sequential_IO conflicts with Restriction(No_Unchecked_Access) in the test applications.
mircea_popescu: bvt what is the actual underlying that ended up summarized as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-05#1869645 ?
bvt: just tested ffa-8 where rng was introduced -- it works fine. would be trying to understand what is wrong with my code, then
diana_coman: hm, weird; now I'm really curious if you get the same complaint with asciilifeform's ffa (or my smg comms for that matter)
bvt: but yes, it is adacore -- not the default sad gcc implementation
asciilifeform: bvt: which gnat are you using ? i've never observed any such thing ( and i use the same restriction, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch11_tuning_and_api/tree/ffa/libffa/restrict.adc#L76 , ~with~ sequential i/o, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch11_tuning_and_api/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_rng.adb#L49 )
bvt: i had a look in the .ali file, where presumably list of dependencies for a compiled .adb file is stored, but grep would find nothing in the dependencies
bvt: found and unexpected problem that specialization of Ada.Sequential_IO conflicts with Restriction(No_Unchecked_Access) in the test applications.
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> but jokes on me, nobody got ruffled feathers because they weren't advocating daos, just raising awareness! starting the conversation! they agreed with me! << It's what orcs do. How much hashish do you estimate the other attendees ate prior to showing up?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 15:04 mircea_popescu: there he sits, remote in hand, "checking to see if there's anything interesting on the tv". are we ready to entertain him yet ? or does he come back later ?
Mocky: guy said blockchain was gonna fix fake news, it told him his interpretation of the "DAO hack and ether theft" was the fake news
Mocky: but jokes on me, nobody got ruffled feathers because they weren't advocating daos, just raising awareness! starting the conversation! they agreed with me!
Mocky: just got back from blockchain event. I told them their ideas of humanity 3.0 governed by blockchain smart contracts was a delusion. And then critcized both the ethereum-roll-backers and the ethereum-continue-with-broken-shit
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 15:15 mircea_popescu: Mocky how are you enjoying the emissary extraordinary and plenipotentiary gig btw ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 09:56 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869273 - a config file seems the better choice, yes; I'll add it to the list to move the keys to a config file and update the tests to read from config file; that should actually meet asciilifeform's requirements too since the code will not contain the >80cols lines (although the config files will, of course)
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-05#1869503 -> and done; asciilifeform and anyone else requiring strictly 80 cols - I've updated the post with a .vpatch to read the keys from file and thus keep them out of the fully-80-cols-now code itself: http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/04/smg-comms-chapter-6-packing-and-unpacking-rsa/#selection-157.0-159.591
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 18:15 asciilifeform: in unrelated minor lulz, discovered yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865517 : 213.148.193.153
asciilifeform: in other noose, yet another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867757 found : >>> 209.239.121.83
BingoBoingo: And in local news... the coming months will determine which one of these two the transcendental Spirit of Great Again will bless https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/llego-sartori-y-se-hizo-el-misterioso-sobre-su-posible-candidatura-les-prometo-que-van-a-estar-al-tanto--201811513835 https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/partido-de-la-gente-el-juvenil-de-la-politica-que-no-termina-de-afianzarse-20181155038
BingoBoingo: Anyways, suppose someone gets a time machine and kills baby Hegel. If Marx is still cribbing from someone in "the conversation" does he go to Fichte instead? Does drunk Steve Bannon arrive a century and a half too soon?
mircea_popescu: cuz any 3yo is the same exact daddy of THAT.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, it's fucking lulzy to me how the dumb shit always comes back to "psychic unity of mankind" nonsense. << Well, in this case I don't see how Hegel isn't the daddy
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 18:51 mircea_popescu: Mocky i actually distinguish between smarts (the reductive ability, that powers "i suspect there's no such thing as intelligence", and typified perhaps best by d. kyon) and "intelligence" (the constructive ability, that powers "more loc, more tech, more future", and typified perhaps best by "fm-2030" ).
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 05:57 mircea_popescu: does this resonate with any familiarity in ye olde phracking and telco or nothing there to resonate with ?
mircea_popescu: no fucker, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME ONE.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's fucking lulzy to me how the dumb shit always comes back to "psychic unity of mankind" nonsense.
BingoBoingo: The transition to library school where Dewey mean a completely different person lead to some confusion in conversations, especially in Missouri where Truman defeated yet another different Dewey
BingoBoingo did do two year of graduate study at SIU when their department still had the old house full of photocopies they dubbed "The Center For Dewey Studies"
mircea_popescu: well yes, nobody's seriously contemplating the "ummim an' thurimm" of ye olde paris-moscow-rome-etcetera actually DOING anything. they're just whatever the subliterate peasantry remembers from the old world almanacs.
BingoBoingo: Dewey's mammie-ism is just distilling the pop culture hegelians who cam before him
mircea_popescu: (alf's "robohitler" mostly exists as alf's own mind's reinterpretation of the boas-pantsuit ; cargo cultish lulz (say in the "artificial intelligence" vein to pick but one of many examples) usually come from the dewey-pantsuit.)
BingoBoingo: I am inclined to lean toward Dewey cribbing from the pop culture hegelians. Not a father so much as the theiving sad sack from the "I made this" meme series
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, there's actually two distinguishable pantsuit trends to this day, a mystagogical cvasi-elitism spawned from boas and a mechanicistic mammie-ism visibly spawned off dewey.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i've been sitting here all morning pondering whether inuit fucker franz boas or mme blavatsky dewey truly deserves the "intellectual father of pantsuit" title.
mircea_popescu: or the year they really really need its posture as a float be credible, seeing how they also want a chunk of china's sea.
BingoBoingo: But (current year) is the year it floats
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they have been bumping their heads against various issues for 30+ years trying not to Argentina themselves
asciilifeform: the boat, i mean
asciilifeform: ( for 'real-life' comparison -- the miniature XC9572XL item in http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis#selection-297.16-297.24 , gives 72 LUTs and nuffin else , of which FG uses all but 1 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didn't say it was 'same thing', yes it comes with the grandfather of all shitstacks (20+GB of liquishit) . it's for simulating designs, not for deploying ( why wouldja deploy anyffing on such a thing, it makes cluster of pc look vehehery cheap and 'opensores'y by comparison )
mircea_popescu: Mocky how are you enjoying the emissary extraordinary and plenipotentiary gig btw ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 15:05 asciilifeform: 'your princess is in another castle'(tm)(r) eh
mircea_popescu: not the same thing ~at all~ however. for one thing, it comes with the xilinx shitstack. for the other, it's a sack large enough to contain a car. we're talking about the actual car.
Mocky: I expect to work the phones to find this guy
Mocky: felt like "yeah he's a mile down the road, can't miss it"
Mocky: i'm also skeptical that he's there. i was told by 8 20-something arabs lounging around the lobby desk bored. they had to call over the 9th who was the only one who could speak broken english
Mocky: i didn't ahve time to make it over there before ministry closes at 2pm, sigh
asciilifeform: 'your princess is in another castle'(tm)(r) eh
Mocky: went down to the ministry of transportation and communitications today to book an appointment. they told me he wasn't at that building but the other ministry building
Mocky: speaking of weight in diamnonds, I find the guy I should be talking to here: Hassan Al-Sayed
asciilifeform: but they're actually in my parts houses' catalogues.
asciilifeform: they offer a half-mil. LUT thing. (can fit, e.g., orig 'pentium', say.)
asciilifeform: apropos of upstack -- last wk asciilifeform did the ~yearly dig re 'does anyone actually sell fpga big enuff to demo 8192b-arithmetizer inside, fully unrolled' and turns out that yes (as of 6mo ago)
mircea_popescu: his "source book" is practically speaking the last time one had to collect and translate previously uncollected and untranslated worldbreakers.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, apropos de nothing : Jean van Heijenoort is an interesting character, not because of his youthful association with one of the inconsequential marx-zigglers burlesque and slapstick acts of the early 20th century, but because of his later life as a historian of what could only properly be called "the end of nations as an intellectual construct".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get pingbacks from these nonstop. tho more often they're shannonized 'miner' sites
mircea_popescu: because what could be better than starting one of these 2008-style spamsites, in 2018 ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in weblulz, https://findcrypto.net/bitcoin/bitcoin-ever-wondered-what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-that-max-keiser-guy-this-pretty-much-explains-it/
mircea_popescu: anyways, more in the general, there's a LOT of merit to dennis hopper's monologue in http://trilema.com/2013/true-romance-tarantino-cut/ : "he didn't think to tell me... and i didn't think to ask".
mircea_popescu: and for that matter crt bitness is 24 not 32, but apparently nobody cared enough to insist on the exact magic number
asciilifeform: my orig observation was that this is a less stupid use of die space than e.g tlb cache and the other liquishit x86 is packed with 'so win10 faster'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 06:16 mircea_popescu: now, do you see how these magic numbers are nothing else, and if producer wants he can make 19, 4435 or whatever bus and register cpus FOR THE SAME COST ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-05#1869478 << 1 nitpick -- not quite same cost, the size of the adder, barrel shifter, and esp. -- multer, grow with the cube of the reg bitness
asciilifeform: but not surprising. i think they hashcollided whole planet at this point.
asciilifeform: is there, i missed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a york.
asciilifeform: rather than york
mircea_popescu: and if they try to "fucker, get your own names" it's mittikittegoongamooga or w/e the fuck the canadians call things
diana_coman: lol, I never quite understood wtf it is with US that they can't even come up with new names for places or what
asciilifeform: they have a rome in illinois, a odessa in texas, etc so wainot
mircea_popescu: moscow IDAHO. this is a thing now, fucking paris, texas wan't good enough for these people. they gotta have a moscow also.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news of only apparent alf interest, i'm in talks with... a chick from moscow.
mircea_popescu: cuz they're all shy and "waht the FUCK is this then" and the duck's like FUCK YOU MY GRANNY WAS A VELOCIRAPTOR!
mircea_popescu: speaking of cabbage-ate-wolf, yest @bbq had juvenile duck stare down the shit out of adult pitbulls.
mircea_popescu: did you shoot them or what was it ?
asciilifeform watched in horror as the cabbage ate teh wolf, last time he played w+g+c
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems the reasonable available goat-and-cabbage pacifier
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-05#1869406 -> the way I read this was that arab did not consider that as appointment, more like audience granted -perhaps, if allah finds time for it - to lowlife sort of thing
a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 23:10 mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo such items belong in a config file then. though he prolly wants the ~config~ file to also be "human readable" by which he means hard-paged at 80 cols like for idiots. because there's no such thing as a terminal, nor user settings, and i gotta format my text in a way that's aware of his dumb terminal. and he thinks this acceptable, somehow, that at the time i write i must bear in mind how he'll later read.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869273 - a config file seems the better choice, yes; I'll add it to the list to move the keys to a config file and update the tests to read from config file; that should actually meet asciilifeform's requirements too since the code will not contain the >80cols lines (although the config files will, of course)
Mocky: the mp hot seat
mircea_popescu: this is their one shot to buy tomorrow's. whether they have the sense... ceausescu never had the chance.
mircea_popescu: i clearly recall ceausescu's lament back in the 70s, "they sell us today's tech at high prices, because they have tomorrow's lined up. but what can we do?"
mircea_popescu: so that's the angle.
mircea_popescu: point being, there's a LOT they could do to be useful, first of all to themselves. dja see it ?
mircea_popescu: let's just say it's playdo cpu, right ? you can cut here and there and get various basic units working together.
mircea_popescu: do you see why the man besieged by rats and the horse besieged by rats may perhaps make what's called "a couple made in heaven" ?
mircea_popescu: also because confederacy of dunces, perhaps ? the EXACT SAME usg.blue dunces, actually ?
Mocky: nominally because neighbors claim 'allowed terrorist donations' but i don't know the actual why
mircea_popescu: the answer you're looking for is "because confederacy of dunces".
mircea_popescu: why does there not exist a rsa-sized specialist processor widely available now ?
mircea_popescu: right. now, do you see how data-native byteness processor made on 1995s tech would beat the shit off inconveniently byted poroessor made yesterday, for the specific application in question ?
mircea_popescu: now, do you see how these magic numbers are nothing else, and if producer wants he can make 19, 4435 or whatever bus and register cpus FOR THE SAME COST ?
mircea_popescu: hence the whole effort in ffa, which is nothing else and nothing besides a switching harness for 64 bit cpu so it doesn't leak data while switching it for a 8192 native byte.
mircea_popescu: which, because of the nature of crypto ops in the first pace, is very fucking finnicky... switching can leak data.
mircea_popescu: well, we use 4096 bit keys, therefore as asciilifeform well points out, the native byte of rsa is 8192.
mircea_popescu: importantly... what's the byteness of rsa ?
mircea_popescu: i know thios is unlikely a notion, because the crud of voip or divx or w/e could seemingly have any bytness. however think ... displays have 32 bit color byteness... and
Mocky: if a fetch from memory grabs 32 bits, and the data is 32 bits on the memory side and the register side then you don't need the switch
mircea_popescu: a yeah, that's right. you mewan ~the actual~ byte size of the data. yes ? its native size ?
Mocky: the unit size of memory addresses
mircea_popescu: oh oh, wait, maybe i misread. "the operand", wtf does that mean here ?
Mocky: the operand size for cpu instructions
mircea_popescu: what ELSE would the register width beneficially match ?
mircea_popescu: well no, if they are different witdths you have to... switch
Mocky: operands have to be fetched and results stored along the bus before and after each processor op
mircea_popescu: do you see why its width would beneifically match the bus width ?
mircea_popescu: a register is the processor byte.
mircea_popescu: does this resonate with any familiarity in ye olde phracking and telco or nothing there to resonate with ?
mircea_popescu: do you understand what the item in question is, given as example ? would like likbez ?
mircea_popescu: why don't they fab chips anyway ? got plenty of sand yes ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 15:44 mircea_popescu: now, a 4096 bit native fpga, specifically for rsa-ing and rsa-likes-ing, THAT might be very useful, because there the s-o-d item is major win.
mircea_popescu: Mocky like you could build a chip foundry we man and train. the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865898 item
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 22:38 mircea_popescu: Mocky so i guess next step is make an appointment with their minister of technology, industry, or whatever the fuck, explain to the secretarial overseer you end up seeing that the republic is in principle willing to do some tech transfer help them become a real country, exchange confused nods and handshakes and set the bozo bit on the ball of faux carpeting yarn pretending to be a country ?
mircea_popescu: i still think you should http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869171 as a parting shot ; not because i expect anything besides the "meet mr al-schmukwari at 8am", but because why not let the remnant of usg.blue congratulate itself on "succeeding" ? let some schmuck "earn" a bonus, what's it to you or me.
Mocky: re bikers, some of these guys seem so happy to just *have* the bike. i have neighbor who fires his up every 3rd day and twists the throttle for 5 minutes while it sits. but maybe it's to scare all the cats away
mircea_popescu: ajahjaha check it out, "haymasfuturo" qatar version! jesus these people.
mircea_popescu: "I guess you could say they identify as bikers." bwajuaja ok, this is entertaining lol
mircea_popescu: "Ive never before had coffee that good. It actually hurts now to drink the instant coffee I have back at my room." << non-us coffee apparently is great generally.
mircea_popescu: odds are we'll find out in the shape of error reports.
asciilifeform: optimally , by the time the scissors actually come out, there'll be concretes in the l0gz, of the form of 'hands off my $scsicard, motherfuckers'
asciilifeform: anybody who finds that he cannot live without one, is welcome to backport the kernelade for it with ~own~ hands, and present signed vpatch.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-05 01:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869361 << ~none. let the heroes participate by bringing their obscura into the fold.
BingoBoingo: until then I can't even blog my recent conversion to beach running
BingoBoingo: I keep getting distracted by not quite fixes that let the thing show a dashboard for one page load, as much as I would like it to be top of my list it can't today
BingoBoingo: The situation is it will have to wait until after Pizarro statement.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 23:55 asciilifeform: at some point i'ma get around to trimming the kernel. how many of these do we actually want ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869361 << ~none. let the heroes participate by bringing their obscura into the fold.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was on the defaults. 2 GB rockchip and while not a trilema sized blog, bigger than most on mp-wp
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm willing to bet there's something grossly misconfigured ; item doesn't have memory issues normally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what flipped is that i'm not about to build magic numbers into the s.mg code process.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 18:03 mircea_popescu: actually i bet you the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868721 fellow would love nothing more than to do a template design for hire.
asciilifeform: i think the smallest unixlike box i currently have, is a pic32 (mips, little endian) , and it's running... sysv
BingoBoingo: 3.? is when theo gave up on 68k
asciilifeform: iirc even theo gave up on shoehorning his kernel into ancient archs.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I never tried the linux on it
asciilifeform: ( 68k has, what, 24MB ? max addr space. to let 'modern' kernel eat 12-20 of these, is imho pretty 'rich' )
asciilifeform: who the fuck maintains that branch, i want to know, and on what !
asciilifeform: for that matter, errybody luvvs m68k, but where might one actually get one with enuff ram to fit the current kernel.
asciilifeform: at some point i'ma get around to trimming the kernel. how many of these do we actually want ?
BingoBoingo: No, there isn't. There are knobs that influence the range of memory footprints mysql will sit in, and none of them appear to be able to be turned meaningfully down on a living database.
asciilifeform had the mysql manual open , since BingoBoingo 1st mentioned subj, and somewhat to my surprise found that the thing dun seem to have a max mem knob !
BingoBoingo: ATTN: http://bingology.net/ will be offline for at least 24 hours until I can free up some time to force the database to fit into the available RAM
asciilifeform: ( i still see it as 'railroad gauge' , gonna publish 80cols till the day i die )
asciilifeform: then 'loc' is meaningless metric.
mircea_popescu: it just gets rid of "80 col" or otherwise "preformatted" text in favour of line=paragraph sanity.
mircea_popescu: but the only way to ever get there is if we run out of town this "let's mix data and markup" approach.
asciilifeform: ideally proggy would be distributed as a ast in sexpr, and we wouldn't have 'tabs & spaces' thread. but we aint there yet.
asciilifeform: say what's 'fix' then ? 1024 col display ?
mircea_popescu: it is not possible to fix the wrong end of this funnel.
mircea_popescu: fix them!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact all your terminals suck isn't an argument in this convo.
mircea_popescu: there can be such a thing as a standard length, yes. but apparently it'll be 512 bytes+
mircea_popescu: standard line length may not be shorter than common lines. which among other things will be rsa keys. so it'll be, willy nily, over 80.
mircea_popescu: but yes, i ask your terminal be aware of the syntax. it must be. because the alternative is having me be aware of your terminal -- and that ain't occurring.
asciilifeform: standard line len makes it possible to meaningfully discuss loc, among other things.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 23:45 phf: in a proper program 80 col is an indicator of s/n, density and all kinds of lateral properties, that can be communicated between professionals, because you can know ahead of time, what you're dealing with by shape, and have a rough estimate for the token count
asciilifeform: it's not doable without a transformer that's aware of the syntax. and doing it will destroy ability to refer to orig author's lines by number in conversation.
mircea_popescu: sounds like you're in the market for a printer driver that doesn't suck.
mircea_popescu: srsly now, move on to an adult terminal that can flow the semantic unit for your needs.
asciilifeform: ( there's 200+ col. lines in trb )
asciilifeform: they're already in, e.g., trb. but was thinking, perhaps folx will eventually stop, cuz it's a headache and to fix it is not in any sense expensive imho.
mircea_popescu: so not only we agree to disagree -- but there's gonna be long lines in there cuz that's how long a line is.
mircea_popescu: hey. i won't mandate her she write long lines, if she manages in 80 cols all the better. but i will mandate she dun do " & " bullshit.
asciilifeform: i dun have infinitely-sized chairs at my house either, even though 'arse can be any width!11'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a legacy definition of "text" type in eulora comms protocol specifically for this conversation.
mircea_popescu: in any case i don't want control bits spuriously pissed into the stream. what next, <em> ?
mircea_popescu: and i know no reason vtron must have "max line length picked in advance" either.
mircea_popescu: it dun ask the author to deal with it for him.
mircea_popescu: the line as a semantic unit is as long as it fucking is, and the terminal deals with it.
mircea_popescu: IF you can't configure your termina, either get a better one or understand you're at fault for your own pain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keep in mind that it ain't 'text', tho, it's a proggy, the line is a semantic unit
mircea_popescu: i feel about "this string has spurious /n inserted in random places" about the same way you feel about FG getting random control bits pissed into the stream by "helpful" wrappers.
asciilifeform: ( i actually use these. but they're turned on their side, so i can put moar-proggy into'em, rather than longer-line )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly now, 80cols is a terminal setting. text may not have line breaks for any reason other than new paragraph.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 22:38 mircea_popescu: Mocky so i guess next step is make an appointment with their minister of technology, industry, or whatever the fuck, explain to the secretarial overseer you end up seeing that the republic is in principle willing to do some tech transfer help them become a real country, exchange confused nods and handshakes and set the bozo bit on the ball of faux carpeting yarn pretending to be a country ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869251 << sounds grim, but afaik Mocky not tried the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869171 gambit yet
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo such items belong in a config file then. though he prolly wants the ~config~ file to also be "human readable" by which he means hard-paged at 80 cols like for idiots. because there's no such thing as a terminal, nor user settings, and i gotta format my text in a way that's aware of his dumb terminal. and he thinks this acceptable, somehow, that at the time i write i must bear in mind how he'll later read.
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised the vtron even swallowed it.
asciilifeform: ( the width of the constants pictured in http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/04/smg-comms-chapter-6-packing-and-unpacking-rsa/#selection-121.192-121.4240 )
asciilifeform: worx same as the multiline notation in c
a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 18:32 diana_coman: it still seems at best silly to manually split strings that one would than have to merge if they want to use as such somewhere else
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07f-bucharest-ii.html << The Tar Pit - Bucharest, part zwei: Herstru, Cotroceni
mod6: jurov: Ok, that's probably a better way : We'll start the auction, and you can bid on it. We'll do this going forward.
Mocky: ^ Ok this is my last post of the night. Going to sleep now
Mocky: more like trust Allah and don't be the faithless one studying knots
diana_coman: Mocky, hm, I thought it was "trust Allah but tie camel", apparently they lost the 2nd part?
ben_vulpes: will be making new contacts in the next month to find a shared cab for racking the foundation machine i lugged across the continent
ben_vulpes: and workstation back online. gentoo happily boots from its original sata port on the motherboard, but hangs at "loading the kernel" when that drive is plugged into any other other sata port.
diana_coman: it still seems at best silly to manually split strings that one would than have to merge if they want to use as such somewhere else
diana_coman: onth I suppose that the 80cols rule either is or isn't, so it should apply even to strings that make no sense split, a bit of cutting to fit the bed style
diana_coman: the fact that I have to manually and arbitrarily split strings that in fact are of any use only un-splitted
mircea_popescu: "they sit around during the late morning and early afternoons having coffee and sweets." << you know i do this shit too ? must be the middle easterner in us.
mircea_popescu: and hjow do i link to the comment specifically ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 01:36 billymg: managed to press vtools and use vdiff to create a patch of the css tweaks for the "default" theme included in mp-wp http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp-css-refine.txt
mircea_popescu: actually i bet you the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868721 fellow would love nothing more than to do a template design for hire.
ben_vulpes: Mocky: there's not much stomaching involved with operating an mp-wp. it's a pretty feature-complete blog; if you really want a custom template you can buy one.
mircea_popescu: Mocky you know all these exist as mp-wp already!
Mocky: I don't have moderate per se. I have a manual process where by if i type in "pull-comments.sh" i see if there are new comments to manually copy paste into the document
mircea_popescu: lmao, that's rich, work slowdown the factory bosses don't even fucking notice.
mircea_popescu: alright. all these today ?
Mocky: mircea_popescu, I've spent the day going over and cleaning up my outstanding notes to date. I have 6 blog posts that will be dropping the last of which is my evaluation of where I'm currently at with this thing.
mircea_popescu: truth be told it'd work equally well either way, but i dunno, they really really wanna be bidding fror some reason.
jurov: I don't get why I should run the auction and not mod6 but let's try
mircea_popescu: it's certainly true my hope lo so many years ago was that the foundation will provide the basic material (people, expertise, history, and so on) upon which to construct these days a republican diplomatic service ; rather than a library.
mod6: jurov: lobbes has it, I think an auction is the way to go here.
hanbot: t and a by now insanely oversaturated market, i can't imagine anything less than hundreds of hours/week is going to save it. i don't have the hours to make it my sole concern, but i do have some to help out. i think it'd be a shame to kinda decoupage some tasks here and there to a floundering ship. as much as i'd like to see it sail, seems obvious to me that here and there won't cut it at all.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 02:26 mod6: hanbot: Still have interest in an offical Co-Chair seat for the Foundation?
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867497 << not even so much interest, i was more or less drafted. i'm happy to do whatever i can, but i see multiple issues here; i don't in any case want to take your seat, and honestly i don't think "outreach" is a splinter of the foundation's operation, fit for a single person. afaik it's the core of what the thing was supposed to do, and the core of its failure to date, and given a potentially unbounded budge
lobbes: jurov: why not use the auctionbot?