mircea_popescu: punkman if the guy has the sense to not publish his own derpage, why would you, you know ?
jurov: there's self-appendectomy
asciilifeform: (apologies to 'paladin press''s 'where there is no doctor')
asciilifeform: 'where there is no laparoscope'
punkman: derp "usagi: Punkman, #bitcoin-assets is quickly becoming irelevant. The slice is almost too small now. Kind of sad, but I could have told you this would happen."
asciilifeform: then again - magnet is small, and will probably reach a momentary 300 if you heat through meat with induction loop
chetty: <mircea_popescu> yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.// well does the world really need (can it stand) little mps
ben_vulpes: don't let it staple your intestines together...
ben_vulpes: hm, what's that magnet company the usg's trying to put out of business?
mircea_popescu: http://jocuridincopilarie.ro/imagini/jocuri-de-interior/jocuri-pe-tabla-de-joc/sah-chinezesc.jpg << the set in question
asciilifeform: cracked the shitter ?
mircea_popescu: i also ate ~80% of the glass beads of a chinese chess set
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things. << me too. i ate them.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the example is to impose the reality upon Hannay that not everyone is her equal, and to accomplish that as rapidly as possible?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what cannot be made (e.g. i've presently no forge) must be unearthed and reshaped.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that Deborah Hannay chgick is so totally going to understand what you meant with the kant example.
TheNewDeal: pops up in the video "bearings are like invisible heroes inside mechanical devices"
ben_vulpes: milling's necessary for the forging molds, but forging is inescapable
ben_vulpes: the jungle toolchain involves lots of cold forging too
asciilifeform: like machines with no lead screws or rails in the ordinary sense
ben_vulpes: jokes aside, the ball bearings in the races are going to be tricky for jungle operators.
ben_vulpes: the races, for example :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: self-upgrading << the expensive tools - weren't dropped to earth by the gods
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: with simple tools, one can theoretically make everything (with possible exception of lead screws) for nicer set
ben_vulpes: all the kids i did my m.e. studies with designed stuff with crazy tolerances and absurd geometries - "because the machine can do it"
ben_vulpes: best part of building stuff with hand operated tooling is the hard requirement of simple geometric shapes and wide tolerances.
asciilifeform: boeing pilots don't typically own the boeing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, most singers on mtv don't even own their equipment
TheNewDeal: just watch a youtube and keep your clothing clear, there's not much to basic machining
mircea_popescu: shit that's 90% produced by a govt agency with a clear agenda, is taken as "science". what the holy shit.
mircea_popescu: hol research is carried out in‐house. It funds approximately 90 percent of all such research in the United States and promotes reductions in the per capita consumption of alcohol. NIAAA also provides leadership in the national effort to reduce the severe and sometimes fatal consequences of these problems."
mircea_popescu: "The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), as part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, supports and conducts biomedical and behavioral research on the causes, consequences, treatment, and prevention of alcoholism and alcohol-related problems. The NIAAA functions both as a funding agency that supports research by external research institutions and as a research institution itself, where alco
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> or was that vulpes << don't know that i ever achieved the kind of skills that an actual machinist can lay claim to, but i've operated the whole standard library in production settings.
TheNewDeal: there will be no !bashing here
shovel_boss: some of them are weeks
shovel_boss: have you looked at the timeframe that that TA predicts?
mircea_popescu: !down TheNewDeal
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, you do know i only post my TA there as a microvlog
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss none of these are cogent points you know.
shovel_boss: i listen to the comunity
mircea_popescu: said the guy on trial for giving chloral to some dude that died "i just do astrograms. i do them for anything, including your dog if you want. i never refused anyone."
shovel_boss: esspecialy if someone asks me in the chatroom
shovel_boss: im almost all the TA i do i mention what indicators i use
mircea_popescu: that's also besides the point.
mircea_popescu: this is besides the point.
shovel_boss: there WAS a 15k investment
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, look at the volume
mircea_popescu: "There will be an upcoming $15k invesment"
shovel_boss: i dont buy the coins i do TA on
Apocalyptic: <TheNewDeal> he has moved beyond ass & tities // he's now pumping some scamcoins yeah
assbot: /hashtag/Aerocoin?src=hash /search?q=%24AERO&src=ctag /hashtag/AERO?src=hash is starting to spike up again,holding ATLEAST 2000 /search?q=%24AEROS&src=ctag right now is a must.There will be an upcoming $15k invesment
Apocalyptic: heh, from the guy who posts <shovel_boss> [09:13:29] https://twitter.com/shovel_boss/status/504525210222358529
shovel_boss: with the !up
shovel_boss: the system you have here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person. << no, he has a point. a woman is ideal but fail that a dog works.
BingoBoingo: Seems Heartbleed gave OpenBSD the full paranoia as well
asciilifeform: i suppose not everyone could afford the 'chicago typewriter'
chetty: now they just shoot
mircea_popescu: "On June 22, 1918, four people were arrested and over one hundred waiters taken into custody over the apparent widespread practice of poisoning by waiters in Chicago."
TheNewDeal: could even link to them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: vysotsky << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NOsBxTpDs >> about the fellow who did own appendix
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asciilifeform more or less buys the traditional version
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your take on the guy's death btw ?
mircea_popescu: (it's featured prominently in glengarry glen ross of all places - that's why that entire scene with the mark trying to get his mortgage cleared and when the check was cashed etc)
mircea_popescu: rescission is, as far as memory serves, the result of a us law, and works out to the right for backsies on mortgages for 3 days after signing.
mircea_popescu: where is the meanie guy.
nubbins`: or, well, that's what they say, at least. although if i call a steak a lobster...
mircea_popescu: There are those of use who find dumbed down, simplified and rigid interfaces extremely irritating and annoying and have zero use for Facebook."
mircea_popescu: "I hope you do not drive away your existing tech-saavy users, like those of us who signed up back in the fall of 2011, with a dumbed down, simplified and rigid user experience a la Facebook.
nubbins`: trying to buy back everyone's "shares" while they scramble to pretend they've been a legitimate company this whole time
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd they do this time ?
asciilifeform: true, they'll get a starving chemist etc
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would hire a librarian.
mircea_popescu: well let's try and be reasonable, for like the first time this year here ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform according to himself in the log, any ?
mircea_popescu: poor soviets had it a lot harder, they had to walk to finland. it's fucking cold in finland.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first << you can probably simply walk into mexico. you can definitely cross the border to guatemala on foot. once in guatemala, you can hit the local consulate for a temp passport and that's that.
mircea_popescu: this is what ppls gotta do to earn their bread.
mircea_popescu: . Staff are expected to interact with every single customer and make it a fun night no matter the size of the group, bad weather, bars closing at the last minute, long walks, drunken behavior, etc. << srsly. this is where the level is, irl, in this world.
mircea_popescu: lmao they conveniently omit "must carry cona at all times!"
mircea_popescu: Sheets and towels are changed twice a week. Maid service is included. Need your clothes washed? We'll take care. Need some help cooking or ordering take out? We can help. Any questions you might have don't hesitate to ask! I'm at your service! << "is the maid hot ?"
mircea_popescu: well now it is, what with being in the logs an' all :D
mircea_popescu: consequently, of course they'll fucking recreate it.
mircea_popescu: the exact shape the gulag takes is a lot more a function of what the zeks put up with and how exactly
mircea_popescu: you see, creating a zoolag in the first place is a work of art. the zeks are the resistence of the medium
asciilifeform: if you're stuck in a zoolag it's one thing; if you escape and then re-build it, that's voluntary.
mircea_popescu: all gringos flock to palermo for some god forsaken reason. shit there is about 2x as expensive and the restaurants all look like they were kicked out of austin, tx.
mircea_popescu: Its destruction resulted in Earth being liberated, since the Mobile Oppression Palace had been the Decapodian's sole means of enforcing their rule on Earth.
asciilifeform dreams. of mobile oppression palace. http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace
mircea_popescu: that thing looks tiny and the "no fumadores" bs is laughable.
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mircea_popescu: and to start things up on the right leg : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svvCj4yhYc
ben_vulpes has not run with the money
mircea_popescu: no_imagination see the log one.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes well, what's that do you know ?
jborkl: or depends on the day as nubbins said
nubbins`: depends on the day
no_imagination: seems pretty quiet. is there a time when this board is usually more active?
TheNewDeal: which is the majority of american beer, shit
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: i always suspected you could turn american beer into something like proper beer with a 'rotovap'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mircea_popescu there is good american beer, but it's rare
TheNewDeal: the bird strikes again!
kakobrekla: hi there
kakobrekla: well he runs trilema ads gor if that is what you mean, other than that - ask ben
jborkl: i misread then
kakobrekla: ;;rate eightyeight 1 solely for the purpose of #b-a voice
kakobrekla: he is authed, just doesnt have a rating
eightyeight: so, i need to issue '!up' on myself then?
chetty: 30 minutes until you can do it yourself, then its permanent
eightyeight: looking through the wiki currently
eightyeight: how long does each '!up' last? 30 minutes each, or is there an exponential scale, with some sort of max?
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jborkl_ to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jborkl_&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> it's linkedin without the nonsense//++
fluffypony: that's steep if it doesn't buy them anything
fluffypony: how many hours does that buy them?
xmj: fluffypony: think i can get away with charging people EUR 300 as retainer if they want "pure pay as you go" ?
ThickAsThieves: it's linkedin without the nonsense
chetty: I suppose the wot is a kind of 'known connections'
xmj: ThickAsThieves: there's a certain kind of person who will tell you that it is, and it is about connections.
ThickAsThieves: <+xmj> RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. /// why is it one or the other? Both are necessary qualities.
nubbins`: "who' s the commisioner? Andreas A or mark kaperles? both would be great. if it can be autographed and laminated, i'll get one."
xmj: (the betting part, heh)
xmj: fluffypony: they're silent live, figured you might like that
xmj: fluffypony: that's the bitcoin block betting site i mentioned
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought it was amusing, being one who has never took part in in social medias. I thought it relevant in the context of wot
RagnarDanneskjol: 'Relationships Are the New Currency'
BingoBoingo: Some hippy left me a comment, bread time http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/#comment-27294
pankkake: I use my real name for "professional" stuff because it's the custom, but I'd rather use a pseudonym there too
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, tropical climates do wonders to clear the head
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Been in the Middle West all my life.
BingoBoingo: The clinically crazy being part of the "smart" or the "elite", I'm also fortunate to have a very seasonal sort of bipolar in that summers I get a mania that is always unfamiliar and winters I get a very familiar depression. Both conditions and the space in between are Incredibly livable.
pankkake: nailgun is the preferred banker suicide method apparently
BingoBoingo: So for my personal safety, a list of things I do not own and have no access to: Nailguns, duffelbags my size, a distinct lack of hope that would make me want to exit the world of the living
BingoBoingo: I mean if pete's people the Jews are right... Noah better work on getting his pussy all wet again to make dat flood
RagnarDanneskjol: i guess it means there is hope?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If nothing else, what does this say about the average worth of humanity if a booze loving person with Bipolar I can be featured as a voice through Van-ads?
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BingoBoingo: DoctorBTC_ DoctorBTC: We've traded before so http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/
RagnarDanneskjol: ok, will soon, think I'll need further help with the bot thing too, so need to do a few more test messages anyway
BingoBoingo: Maybe this was their play at Good cop/Bad Cop, but they seemed to LEGIT hate each other.
RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like they'd make for a good buddy cop movie
BingoBoingo: csshih: Were you the mole who gave the FBI/Treasury my address (not that you would have needed to)
BingoBoingo: It's dark but true. The pesticide he tried was basically a concentrated nicotine and being old enough to have smoke a lot... he went to the hospital nauseous after trying to crash his truck.
BingoBoingo: Well, my estimation on the elderly is more empiricle though. It's been a while since grampa tried to drink a bottle of pesticide.
BingoBoingo: My brother has a corgi mix named Frank. Frank is adorable. Frank would not make a good guard dog. Frank is great at giving elderly relatives hope though.
RagnarDanneskjol: yep, me too. they are little monsters. mean too
BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person.
BingoBoingo: My brother does, with his wife. It's adorable.
BingoBoingo: Mostly it helps my avoid the manias though
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. let me look into it. not off the top of head, will chek lawgs and ask around for you
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure previous discussion on this subject are in the logs
RagnarDanneskjol: other stuff to. recruitment is the same anywhere you go. sorting through the garbage is all i do
BingoBoingo: Once I clear up the neighboring county mounty issues I'll deal with that.
BingoBoingo feels he has to disclose now to the Feds watching that yes I am drunk.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, looking at the hardware #BA craigslist... reading Trilema made my Spanish much better than I thought
BingoBoingo: OMG hardware BA has the best jobs (only miss the age requirement by one year) https://buenosaires.craigslist.org/csr/4566163594.html
mircea_popescu: shitlandia kingdom is welcome to any delusions of self importance and grandeur - just as long as it packs and moves there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason that thing stood is because it was placed somewhere not even the goats cared to inhabit.
asciilifeform: (vanunu, for his part, insists they even plugged kennedy for 'rocking boat')
asciilifeform: how does a tiny country with no useful minerals rape the planet? this is how. piss the buggers off - no wall is tall enough
asciilifeform: (bonus: look up who else sat in the same prison)
TheNewDeal: so hard to get voice in the channel; it's a barrier
mircea_popescu: and yes, then we die. so ?
asciilifeform: might, for a spell. and then sell it to some weirdo who might, for lulz, eat it on camera
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you cater to the ubercute desk cow ?
mircea_popescu: suppose i gave you an applesized cow that ran around the desk.
asciilifeform: normally when people contemplate 'superintelligent' whatevers, if they use their imagination well, the machine is to us as we are to the bacterium
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine. <<< i've controlled superintelligent womenz, they luv'd it. why'd the ai necessarily not enjoy it ?
gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
mircea_popescu: jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, <<< aaa-hahahaha.
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TheNewDeal: i want one thousand beetcoins, screw the shekels
beetcoin: i will give the answer for just a few beetshekels
mircea_popescu: i wonder what's the sum total of victorian girly orgasms generated by rubbing the nubbin more or less furiously to that song.
beetcoin: you must grow your own beetcoins, TheNewDeal
asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. 'here have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease.''
mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel.
asciilifeform: i suppose one might even then include a 'd)', 'sow crank bait'
mircea_popescu: how did the soviets keep their gdp secret ? and how are the us soviets keeping their gdp secret ?
mircea_popescu: their incapcity is circumstantial and culturally constructed.
mircea_popescu: and there you go.
mircea_popescu: keep the germans interested in who dumped who and what's the most recent popsong/sex tape
asciilifeform: much the same way we keep arithmetic secret from dogs
mircea_popescu: if the differential is large enough
asciilifeform: this presumes that either - no roman will turn coat, and explain to a german - or - no german born can understand were it told to him
mircea_popescu: they can even send ovid to live in the pontus, what'll that do. start a rome there, with the savages ?
mircea_popescu: none of the germans do
mircea_popescu: see, all romans know how the law works.
asciilifeform: yes but who engineers the mechanics of what is to be hidden, inside what.
mircea_popescu: if the knowledge differential is large enough to approach the magic event horizon, hiding in plain sight works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there actually is a c).
asciilifeform: herr newton does not tell us where the inflection point lies
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: closer to 'what is the value of a gram of soil'
ben_vulpes: back to this "what is the value of a bitcoin" thing again
asciilifeform doesn't stop in crosswalks on busy streets to pick up penny, either.
mircea_popescu: if every time someone opened a steakhouse everyone had to go have steak there it'd be a sad world/
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site << anyway, this is about fucking freedom, so, you know, enjoy fucking her. it's not about adding musts, it's about adding mays.
asciilifeform was palpably dismayed, felt that the place must be in dire straits
asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site, but admittedly hasn't tried hard
mircea_popescu: generally the girls that've not yet been buggered tend to attach a lot more importance to it than the normal ones.
mircea_popescu: turns out this process is a lot more fundamental to bitcoin than originally thought. your exact argument can be brought by person at the brink of the wot, "i'll get in the wot if you guarantee me good deals" he may say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? <<< open up for bids, bid 1 btc/day on your own thing, this way you're charged a bitcent a day and in exchange you get a guarantee that nobody willing to pay less than 1 btc per half your impressions shows up.
mircea_popescu: it's perfectl;y transliterable tho, which means the font is just a mask.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian << it's actually not nearly as hard as it seems.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" << yeah but change that way not this way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ? << lol what you seriously negged the guy ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal l2 trust must be > 0
mircea_popescu: you know, the schneier of "this is an interesting article on gpg by Random Asshat Greene, Cryptozoologist"
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) << plus the fact schneier is pushing them
asciilifeform: pertinent proverb, 'if guard knew [what's in the box] he'd pinch it himself.'
asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?
asciilifeform: 'A security officer informed him that the orange he left on his desk was, in fact, a classified object. He learned that any spherical object became a nuclear secret once it passes over the line...'
decimation: asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one
asciilifeform: the historical roots of today's SOP are in the 'born secret' doctrine of u.s. nuke work
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified
asciilifeform: but 'in WWII almost nothing was classified' is mistake. witness the rarity of 'norden's bombsight' even in museums today.
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/
asciilifeform: smbx was king at the height of reaganoid spymania
asciilifeform: now they have 'shoot here' stickers on cheapo 'dell' laptops.
asciilifeform: this is a recent thing, or there'd be no surplus 'symbolics' hardware at all.
decimation: probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect
asciilifeform: the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago.