mircea_popescu: and it's not their job to say that.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if we were maried and i sued you for divorce and filed this with the admirality court
ThickAsThieves: they wont dismiss, but what does reconsideration of subject-matter jurisdiction mean?
ThickAsThieves: in http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/eastern-district-court-of-texas-holds-th-45049/ what does "The Court granted the Defendants’ motion to reconsider its prior decision on subject-matter jurisdiction, but denied the Defendants’ motion to dismiss for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction." mean?
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/cf2c9d6292eab1a3518f6420065870f6/tumblr_naunihztFQ1trzasto1_500.jpg << this is what a powerpoint presentation shuld have been in the first place.
ThickAsThieves: what happened with vanads on bitbet? cant you just up the cost to mitigate asshats?
guruvan: The loan was in BTC, and should be paid in BTC, in full IMO
rithm: i'm not unreasonable. the contract has no clause for usd repayment. contracts can be amended.
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/72e369812188cad1a99eabbedc0201f5/tumblr_naumi36gjB1trzasto1_500.jpg << not peeing all over one's butt, still the hardest part of womanhood
mircea_popescu: in 2012 ? nah mostly stable then wasn't it
guruvan: kakobrekla: some kind of interest, of course! (maybe not the ridiculous APR we were all seeing back then!
guruvan: thanks mircea_popescu - I should have authed in channel when I got in
mircea_popescu: guruvan yeah i was asking. when old names show up after an absence there's always the suspicion of squatting, and then i saw the - and itwent from there.
rithm: i'll remove the negrate!
guruvan: lol. I've not been on irc in forever. but I'll be here all the time for some time now.
mircea_popescu: twelve volumes, bound in starlet leather.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for the record, top gun is a parody, right ?
BingoBoingo: <rithm> negative ghostrider, the pattern is full. << Imma have to use this pattern is full business sometime
rithm: negative ghostrider, the pattern is full.
rithm: it's part of the ponzi circle-jerk idk what else to tell you
rithm: the statement being true, in any case
rithm: i think your question arised from the time at which the rating was entered which is scewed from the statement in reality
mircea_popescu: can you tell me what the dispute with guruvan was
rithm: i'm not sure i understand the question
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell strtp`fndr Also how do you profess to do anything IP related and not know that boat hull designs were kind of the big impetus for the stuff taking off.
mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the chick that fell in love with a wolf http://www.apprendimentosociale.it/en/claudia-fugazza/
RagnarDanneskjol: sure - all the same apparatus I suppose
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well government wasn't the right word i guess. "establishment" ?
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm a sucker - appreciate academic research in the area however misguided it may be
mircea_popescu: making the methodology be sound when you have nfi idea where you're going is a little harder
mircea_popescu: once you know what you want the conclusions to be, making the methodology seem sound isn't much of a task.
RagnarDanneskjol: piously repeated, predictable conclusions - yes, but the research methodology appeared to be relatively sound and thourough
mircea_popescu: right, they know this.
mircea_popescu: The promising cryptocurrency Bitcoin has attracted a lot of attention recently, but the high volatility of the Bitcoin price has so far been a barrier to widespread adoption."
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: [A comparison between Bitcoin and other assets using an intraday Value at Risk approach] << "
mircea_popescu: assbot: [PSA] if you are invested or gambling at dicebitco.in, please login and divest/withdraw asap! confirmed scam to players and investors : Bitcoin <<< hey kako what is teh diff between bitbet and other brands!11
mircea_popescu: hey if you get it, do me a favour, count heads. i'm curious what % of hot women in the library population.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: has any numbnut admitted fault to the btc/eur fiasco on btce last night? << nope.
assbot: In D.C., a 13-year-old piano prodigy is treated as a truant instead of a star student - The Washington Post
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-dc-a-12-year-old-piano-prodigy-is-treated-as-a-truant-instead-of-a-star-student/2014/09/08/58962746-3727-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html << another american lol
Vexual: prove it cunt. well, you siezed my computer, and then i was incarcirated.
Vexual: i doubt the fbi did anything longhand
Vexual: depends if youre the government or not
assbot: Does obtaining leaked data from a misconfigured website violate the CFAA? - The Washington Post
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/08/does-obtaining-leaked-data-from-a-misconfigured-website-violate-the-cfaa/
mircea_popescu: the bw flow
kakobrekla: now when its sycned up the upload is gone
kakobrekla: so when i fire it up i would expect it to be heavy on the download not the upload especially with my line asymmetry , instead you get the opposite
mircea_popescu: this has been long said here, the #1 problem with the bitcoin protocol is that it has no specific payment for relays, and it allows separation of mining and relay.
kakobrekla: when in doubt, blame the usg?
mircea_popescu: life was better before the intellectual revolution. in these postmuscular times we're stuck with meta-meta bs.
mircea_popescu: fuck the fertility, long legs look better.
xmj: that and to make legs longer, thereby faking better fertility.
mircea_popescu: it'd fucking better, on high heels. the fucking point of them is for wrong girlwalk to hurt.
mircea_popescu: unless it's some sort of land whale, the reason she has heels in the first place is because she walks on the ball of her foot anyway.
mircea_popescu: punkman that is total bs. women don't walk on their heel. like, at all.
xmj: she's invited for her tits, not for the witty statements she makes.
mircea_popescu: hm. actually, the fuck she wouldn't. of course she wouild, nobody cares *what* she claims.
mircea_popescu: i guess these known affectations are overpopulated and so don't hold as much perceived cachet,. huh. random tramp invited for her tits and drunken antics at some party wouldn't get away with claiming she's the real niece of napoleon's first wife quite as well.
mircea_popescu: the real niece of grace kelly, whatever.
mircea_popescu: why not claim you're the empress of jormania or something
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised nobody's trying more productive paths of insanity. why claim to be whatever, the bitcoin chamber of commerce ?
mircea_popescu: it's not with people, it's in the real world.
punkman: yona__: so describe a good day in the embassy
mircea_popescu: punkman so ? the next step is for the girlfriend at work to claim she's fucking you irl while the wife is somehow virtual, because you interact with her mostly through postits and phone calls.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why people think there's some sort of dichotomy between irc and irl.
RagnarDanneskjol: what is this phrase "not for profit". what is the alternative
punkman: what does the embassy do?
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, zero effort fuckwits. "do my job for me please, what is the difference between bitbet and "other brands" ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "When did BitBet started?" rly ? anyway, he can come here and ask w/e. but otherwise no.
mircea_popescu: by now the sidewalk is under a river
mircea_popescu: yup it started raining with nightfall, then it hailed for like an hour
RagnarDanneskjol: [A comparison between Bitcoin and other assets using an intraday Value at Risk approach]
fluffypony: and ring signatures (group signatures) on inputs on tx's makes transactions on the blockchain unlinkable, since an observer can never know whether a utxo has actually been spent or is merely included as part of a ring signature
fluffypony: and the stealth addresses are made up of two keys, a view and a spend key
fluffypony: well the privacy stuff is obviously quite cool
Duffer1: omg lol i'm having a conversation with that vid in the background then all of a sudden 2:50 o.O
fluffypony: ok - a bit later once I've gotten this working or exploding I'll ping you and we can figure out from there
xmj: then sends a PR (problem report) to bugzilla with a patch attached, and someone like me comes, takes that patch, commits it to ports and all are happy
fluffypony: ok so kinda like the guy that maintains the Homebrew tap for us - https://github.com/sammy007/homebrew-cryptonight/blob/master/bitmonero.rb
xmj: every time a new release comes out he updates Makefile and distinfo with the new stuff, and checks that things still run.
xmj: someone (let's call him "new guy") maintains the port for it, you know, Makefile, pkg-descr, pkg-plist and distinfo
xmj: fluffypony: you guys host the software somewhere, e.g. on github or sourceforge or whatever
fluffypony: well in that case can we host the port on our repo or how does it work?
fluffypony: but not maintaining a port in the ports tree, no
fluffypony: we already maintain the Windows / *nix / OS X compatability, so this is just adding to it
fluffypony: I've just finished installing cmake from ports, so I think I have all the deps
xmj: theoretically yes, what app are you talking about?
fluffypony: xmj: if I have an app that already uses Clang over gcc on OS X then it should be able to use Clang on FreeBSD out the box, no?
gribble: Survivors of Taipan bites - Sciencentre: <http://www.sciencentre.qm.qld.gov.au/Find+out+about/Animals+of+Queensland/Reptiles/Snakes/Survivors+of+Taipan+Bite>; Teenager bitten by inland taipan in Hunter Valley | The Australian: <http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/teenager-bitten-by-inland-taipan-in-hunter-valley/story-e6frg6nf-1226482315063>; Snake-bite victim could have been (1 more message)
Vexual: that being said, at over 100 feet the biggest killer is gravity
Vexual: <asciilifeform>does anyone still fly those 'suicide' choppers that consist of a chair and motorcycle engine ? <Yep, over 9000 time safer than walking about in the outback
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> to prospective advertisers/spammers, one can no longer buy van ad on bitbet. we are back to classic rotator. << toll the bell
BingoBoingo: So flexing the lordship nao
TheNewDeal: do you know these folks? or just in an uppity mood?
TheNewDeal: where's the estimate?
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal see backlog and estimate
BingoBoingo: Hello maclane, how are the Nakatomi TOwers?
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo thats the word.
BingoBoingo: What did the fox quit?
TheNewDeal: don't you own the site?
TheNewDeal: has any numbnut admitted fault to the btc/eur fiasco on btce last night?
assbot: Ray Lewis: "There's No Comparison Between Me And Ray Rice"
BingoBoingo: Problems of using Plaster and spittle as structural materials http://deadspin.com/ray-lewis-theres-no-comparison-between-me-and-ray-ric-1632161715 << because remember, Ray Lewis Kills
mircea_popescu: you're gonna troll them now aren't you.
BingoBoingo: I'm still looking for the right old WordPress version to chop on
mircea_popescu: software that's worth changing ain't worth running in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i have boxes still running the same shit a decade later.
mircea_popescu: i've been using the same wordpress for trilema for 6 years now.
assbot: Interesting, got another forwarded email from "satoshi", from 2011 - indicates this was a hijacked account, not expired and re-registered.
justusranvier: BingoBoingo: Electrum's GUI for offline transaction signing sucks, and by default it uses other people's Electrum servers which means you have no privacy.
mircea_popescu: all these schmucks have fiat to spend on outbidding each other on google ? and lemme guess, they're all first best largest ?
BingoBoingo: Electrum seems to do most of the Armory stuff without the part where it is such obvious shit.
justusranvier: I still run bitcoind because it's the only way to make Armory work.
mircea_popescu: why, because literally nobody runs the code anymore or what
mircea_popescu: <justusranvier> Maybe the reason they are unhappy about bitcoin-security being public is because it reveals there's an unfixed memory leak in bitcoind right now. << this needed like revealing and anything
asciilifeform: of all the things that have been written about 'satoshi' - not one is simultaneously interesting and provable.
justusranvier: Maybe the reason they are unhappy about bitcoin-security being public is because it reveals there's an unfixed memory leak in bitcoind right now.
asciilifeform doesn't grasp why the supposed satoshi thing is exciting
justusranvier: Why is gmaxwell so interested in making bitcoin-security private again? What's in those 240 emails they don't want anyone to seel?
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BingoBoingo: 'This satoshi email hack simple means the Autum drama season has begun.
BingoBoingo: Also the satoshi email compromise in a wild speculative hypothesis hopefully is the death knell for any last gasps of third party authority on the matter of identity
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl No words outside of the metalanguage can accurately describe how much I want to de-shit your blog's look
gribble: The expected generation output, at 10000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.000183350936553 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-06 BTC per hour.
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 1.83350936553e-05 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-07 BTC per hour.
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.0183350936553 BTC per day and 0.000763962235639 BTC per hour.
BingoBoingo: And this is why the "killer app" for GPG is signatures
assbot: Theo de Raadt (ruBSD 2013) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: because why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: watch the load on the server excitedly as it increase slightly over a week or two as a result.
mircea_popescu: are you the guy with "three weeks" ?
mircea_popescu: the internet is practically fucking gehenna.
mircea_popescu: "we've got nothing but our desire to matter in spite of the void we stand for. and there's A LOT of us."
mircea_popescu: With so many interested persons checking in here, I believe this would be a good time to again share Chris Cook's brief, simple and correct summation of the problem with bitcoin, from http://blablabla
mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."
RagnarDanneskjol: the plot thickens: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A55276&xg_source=msg_com_forum
gribble: You rated user xrobau on Sun Aug 17 20:38:19 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Going to point his hash, issues corrections.
mircea_popescu: There was a young girl of Natchez who chanced to be born with two snatches.Now and again she'd say "Shit! I'd so give either tit for a man with equipment that matches."
gribble: Law & Order | NBC: <http://www.nbc.com/law-order>; Law & Order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_%26_Order>; Law & Order (TV Series 1990–2010) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098844/>
X-Rob: So, taking a step back, and answering the big question 'what is stopping pool owners colluding to ensure pool B mines block 1234?' -- The answer is 'nothing'. And to expand on that, 'Nothing, and it's unlikely that someone would even notice, as long as the miners keep getting their pennies'
thestringpuller: good news everyone I have found a way to smell people on the internet
X-Rob: +1 for futurama quote, thestringpuller
jurov: ;;smell thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: the blogbot!
BingoBoingo: Only a bot in the way MP routinely turns us all into bots
assbot: The Whet | a place for appetites
X-Rob: 'I'm going to buy 10 S3's and set them up!'
mircea_popescu: right. which is why they SHOULD be squeezed out.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: the problem is, it's not that people don't care, is that' they don't want to learn. They go 'magic internet money', and that's pretty much it.
mircea_popescu: X-Rob and then, the "community" derps all about how bad it is that they're getting squeezed out by the large farms.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: GBT is another protocol.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Is this the Get block template thing?
X-Rob: However: It's only supported by eligius, as every other pool hates it.
X-Rob: that your miner can use to ask for the list of transactions you're mining against, and check them against the merkle hash
X-Rob: There is a stratum command 'gettransactions'
jurov: the question is, can/will miners detect something untoward here?
BingoBoingo: Both the house and pool operators could profit
jurov: i understood mp's situation as some pool owners mining together so that one of them will claim the blocks, and betting accordingly
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I'm talking more about the technical issues of claiming a block
X-Rob: So you'd need to ACTUALLY have the pool find a block, or, as I said earlier, have pool C find the block for pool B, but that's economically foolish.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: The issue is not having the pool owner say 'Yes, I found block 1234', it's other people going 'Uh, actually, no, I found block 1234, here, it's addressed to me, here's me signing a transaction'
mircea_popescu: yup. so little kiosk downstairs has them, two dozen for 10 pesos.
jurov: how many other pools you'd need to collude?
BingoBoingo: I think the price for a lot of pool ops would be 25.01 to 25.03 BTC
X-Rob: I saw an amusing comment on reddit yesterday, on a photo of someone climbing a massive radio tower. They said 'You couldn't pay me enough to do that', and someone responded with '72.6 billion dollars. Per hour'.
X-Rob: Everyone's a whore. It's just the price that varies.
mircea_popescu: unless the method we describe in theory is actually implementable cheaper than we estimate, of course.
X-Rob: There would be several options. The simplest would be to /still/ mine at Pool B with the hashrate of the other pools
mircea_popescu: X-Rob because you're not you. you're the pool op, who has to make a buck, and who is friends with the other pool ops.
X-Rob: A sum large enough to tempt even the most honest of pool operators.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you. <<< word.
X-Rob: But, let's assume that the bet is massive. Say, a million USD.
X-Rob: My idea is, if I had bet on pool B mining block, and I controlled access to hardware that would bias pool B to mine the block, why wouldn't I just mine at pool B? I would win the bet -and- I would earn whatever percentage of the block the hardware earned, which would probably be more than 25% of the block reward.
BingoBoingo: Enigmail used to just work, but I dun trust the new "Ease of Use" update.
punkman: you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you.
mircea_popescu: so no, they wouldn't "know" jack shit on a stick
mircea_popescu: and the miners never knew.
mircea_popescu: and spare me with the "miners will know", there have been three times in history, including today and recently, pools which split their rewards across to pretend like they don't have 50% of the hash rate
X-Rob: I'll earn my PPLNS, plus I'll win the bet.
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 830.74 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.44 TH/s
X-Rob: Wether or not they MINED the coins is a different question, but I can't see any advantage in pool C mining coins for pool B
mircea_popescu: but the fact that the pool ended up with the coins is no sort of prof the pool mined the block.
X-Rob: Both of those together can give you a good indication of who mined the block. If the destination of the coins is to a known pool address, then that pool ended up with the coins.
X-Rob: There are two things that you can 'know' about a block. The destination of its mined coins, and the coinbase.
X-Rob: but that's only 1%-ish of the network
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Well, p2pool is a specific case, and I probably shouldn't have used it, because that's one of the ones you /can/ be 100% certain about.
X-Rob: However. There are a large number of pools where you can only guess. And 'because I say so' is about as much certainty as you're going to get.
mircea_popescu: other than making people with a soft understanding of the protocol make wrong assumptions
X-Rob: so you can look at the block and know that, 100%, p2pool mined that block, for example
mircea_popescu: the contention is whether "Who found a block" has any substance to it past "we say so"
X-Rob reads up on them
mircea_popescu: so, could the pool ops so collude as described ?
mircea_popescu: hey X-Rob you there ?
jurov: no theyre in closet
jurov: but.. i'm not miner and maybe i;m mistaken. that there is none in this channel makes me a bit sad.
jurov: so, i assert it is not "purely declaratory" but actual work the miners have to chew on
mircea_popescu: chetty lol is this the us dept solution to nigerian scammers ?
jurov: still we're at point some OCD miner notices he's getting from ghash.io work with root address destined for some other pool
jurov: they would have to collude to divert newly minted coins to specific address beforehand
jurov: apparently the pool is assigned using newly mined coins' address
jurov: also, is there any miner to explain - is the signature part of work given to minions or it can be slapped on afterwards?
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between purely declaratory statements and actually measurable objective reality.
mircea_popescu: how can the same be said ?
jurov: like, the same can be said about bitbet's difficulty bets
mircea_popescu: what is the advantage of a reimplementation of a dubious solution to a solved problem ?
mircea_popescu: because the logical outcome is for all pool ops to contriburte some btc, all make the same bet on the same one guy
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but why wouldn't the miner bet on himself
mircea_popescu: "we split the pot"
jurov: miner can sign the block with his signature
mircea_popescu: so here, i found a block, you publish it and we split the pot.
punkman: miner can bet after he finds the block, no?
mircea_popescu: CEO Yishan Wong finally addressed the controversy on Saturday by releasing a remarkably clueless manifesto. Reddit, he wrote, is "not just a company running a website where one can post links and discuss them, but the government of a new type of community." So, then, what type of government is Reddit? It's the kind any reasonable person would want to overthrow
mircea_popescu: i mean what's the advantage to rolling this dice as opposed to roling a proper, provably fair dice ?
jurov: Same thing. We roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus.
jurov: If the miner hasn't been determined by the above methods, we roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus.
punkman: Rangerk, website was a bit unclear, if block ends up in Other, do I lose?
mircea_popescu: rithm cuz what's the loan thing ?