mircea_popescu: "Marketing is hard. We wrote an ebook." fucking shot these idiots already
mircea_popescu: one of the biggest promises of hard ai is the computer that slaps the human upside the head
decimation: it is difficult to imagine a symbolics user in the late '80s with his persistent global namespace watch someone using DOS
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in... << and how is this different from the making of a computer useful for software development?
decimation: the other thing that interested me about the symbolics video was the fact that the machine had a global namespace
decimation: it's amusing that the solder paste machine is pretty much just a giant squeegee, but all dressed up
decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNpayYhBvM << watch the annoying australian run his design on an 'adult' assembly line, with solder paste, pick n' place and oven
decimation: yeah I was reading about how they ditched laser cut designs for photoetching
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes) << In the prototypical models Magnesium citrate tends to clear this well.
asciilifeform: (solder paste in 'adult' industry is simply never pumped. they use stencils, afaik.)
asciilifeform: weird stuff happens in all of the listed designs. it's a problem to which there isn't really a fully satisfactory solution.
asciilifeform: peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes)
decimation: yeah I suspect as the ID of the tube approaches the size of the balls weird stuff would happen
asciilifeform: decimation: you can, but you get odd behaviour - considering that you aren't pumping a fluid in the usual sense
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason) << it could work if instead you went for living fabrication machines as the Flinstones did.
TheNewDeal: hahaha I hardly constructed one. Just borrowed a tiny screwdriver from the tools that ship with the machine
asciilifeform: it would smash the solder balls << nope. the standard methods (auger and piston) actually do. and this limits the life of the apparatus (smashed balls end up adhering to the inside bores.)
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in...
decimation: is it because it would smash the solder balls?
asciilifeform: (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason)
TheNewDeal: use them for a few things at work. One is to make sure that gears are meshed well enough
TheNewDeal: may have just fixed my dial indicator. Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour
decimation: looks to me that a likely leakage path would be the upstroke phase - air could leak around the piston
asciilifeform: (there are circumstances where air can mix with the paste, but i will not describe them here - we've already put everyone to sleep.)
asciilifeform: (but not so much that it is able to overcome the needle.)
asciilifeform: just need enough air pressure in syringe to keep the paste flowing into the work chamber on the piston's up-stroke.
asciilifeform: no need to control pressure to any great extent, that's the whole fscking point of pos. disp. pumps.
asciilifeform: ('rabbit can be pulled out of hat only to the extent said rabbit is actually in the hat.'
asciilifeform: as a theoretical maximum
asciilifeform: 'positive displacement' here means, easily, that no more turd can emerge from the needle than is actually inside the needle
decimation: So if you can control the fine pump pressure dynamically you might be able to prevent the 'drool' problem
asciilifeform: 'better' in the sense that 1) it easily beats the controlled-air-puff dispenser i was using previously, which is almost unusably inaccurate and,
asciilifeform: and yes all of this could theoretically be bought.
asciilifeform: but quite difficult to achieve given the tolerances of a cheap desktop non-cnc lathe.
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2014 03:10:06; asciilifeform: state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.
asciilifeform: at chinese factories, they go through astounding quantities of such needles when dispensing glue - hence cheap.
decimation: no the auger valve you wrote about a few months ago
asciilifeform: that's the single solitary part that's actually readily available off the shelf, a dime a dozen.
asciilifeform: the business end?
decimation: yep. what about the little micro-screw-needle
asciilifeform: more or less obvious from the link, no ?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: approximately the gadget pictured here: http://www.dispensetips.com/pages/piston.html
asciilifeform just emerged from ~4 hrs of lathe work, does in fact appreciate the difficulty of apparently simple things. but the extant computing stack - is still a pile of shit.
asciilifeform: the only thing intrinsically necessary is a compact way to tell the photomask printer what to do...
asciilifeform: when you strip away the crapolade.
asciilifeform: very few of these things feel 'impressive' after you learn just how intrinsically simple all of our tech stack is
asciilifeform: decimation: netlist << nope. the actual masks, ready for tapeout.
asciilifeform: decimation: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl) << afaik it was lisp from day 1 (mit cadr was hand-drawn, after that - 'ourobourus'-like tail-eating iterative design...)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: it would be interesting if some rich prince 'rescued' the symbolics assets just for shits
asciilifeform: decimation: i asked dan schmidt whether he'd sell it - he answered that he won't, it's in some kind of eternal legal limbo (sub-licensed somewhere, or the like.)
asciilifeform: decimation: vlsi design software << yes, it was. and they actually... used it.
BingoBoingo: Not ignoring so much as distracted, and the Google is a thing
TheNewDeal: Just rapid-fired like 20 questions. Feel free to ignore them
BingoBoingo: Well, really it was probably the first year
xmj: TheNewDeal: 3 years
decimation: as I recall it was the summer of 2011
TheNewDeal: when did the btc / usd ratio go > 1 ?
BingoBoingo: I mean last fall was the anomalie in that it has a rally whereas 2011 and 2012... stagnation...
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Maybe we measure time differently...
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> Drops happen fast as well? << Only really drops fast after decisive peaks
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal hm.
mircea_popescu: peterl there's a latency. heavy no bets came in this week, perhaps not balanced oyut yet
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the only point of technical analysis with any merit.
BingoBoingo: Right. While $600 to $400 this years was what... one, two months? It Bitcoin the falls are long and labored, but the rallies...
BingoBoingo: Fuck, there's still time for http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ to get interesting which could really drive up the Berkshire pot
decimation: if the scenario that peterl proposes comes remotely true, I suspect it will get love
BingoBoingo: The berkshire bet coul break 10k btc easily if BTC hits $700 in three months
decimation: really the bet is brillant pr. media idiots love far-off artificial deadlines with artificial drama
mircea_popescu: esp if there's an upset
mircea_popescu: a bet that was at 3k 6months out could conceivably end up in the 5-6 figures.
peterl: I suppose the billion dollar bet could hit yes if btc/usd price and amount bet each go up ~30x
mircea_popescu: day of the good q's
decimation: that was my question. the follow-up question being: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl)?
ben_vulpes: <decimation> what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp << me too. has the source been lost?
thestringpuller: the b-h will 99% likely resolve yes too
thestringpuller: if the billion dollar bet resolves yes
peterl: is it more likely that 2 million bitcoins will be bet on that bet or that the price of bitcoin will rise 1000x?
BingoBoingo: Oh there's a media outlet worse than Vox.com >> http://deadspin.com/espn-suspends-bill-simmons-three-weeks-over-goodell-cri-1638842937/+aleksanderchan
decimation: asciilifeform: I watched the Kalman Reti smbx video, got a flavor of the unqiueness of symbolics hardware
mod6: If another month goes by without any coinminer data, i'll just pull it.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
fluffypony: where is the "fluffypony - a legend's legend?" forum post
mircea_popescu: dude all these ephemereal legends nobody heard of, nobody'll hear of.
fluffypony: xmj: not yet, it's on the list
fluffypony: and literally all we did was roll a couple of extra checkpoints just in case, and asked exchanges to suspend deposits / withdrawals on the presumption of fireworks
fluffypony: I was TOLD there would be fireworks
assbot: The Monero Free For All Thread
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2014 14:10:58; mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
assbot: The Truth About Monero's Risto Pietila (rpietila XMR)
mircea_popescu: "Fluffypony, mircea popescu's asslicking troll buddy, watch out for these disinformation merchants also"
assbot: What the Fuck is a Hashlet? | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: So the Virtual girlfriend <hashlet> fanboys found my post http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/29/what-the-fuck-is-a-hashlet/#comment-35912
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lord norwich is the english authority on venice
thestringpuller: thanks pete hopefully you see this in the log
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 44 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: anyone from bitpay in WoT? << ayup. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Pierre_Rochard&sign=ANY&type=RECV
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the question that almost begs to be asked is whether haakon (cortez, whoever) would immediately seize upon modern tech as being the product of long-dead wizards, as it is. << any books to recommend on cortez?
asciilifeform: the kind homo homini x est ?
asciilifeform: 'soviet informatik' terminology like цикл (cycle) for 'loop' is, afaik, only remembered by the older folks who came of age on '70s-'80s books
asciilifeform: then again, the blather of, e.g., a russian programmer, probably sounds rather similar to this - to english speaker
mircea_popescu: i've been tellin' you, but tellin' is one thing and showing another
mircea_popescu: "bărbații discutau despre zapceasti, porșni, zadnii hod și zajiganie" <> "the men were talking of запчасти, поршни, задний ход and зажигание." etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://tarancutavesela.md/mananc-si-plang-plang-si-mananc-bataie/ << decent example of the moldavian exploitation of russian.
thestringpuller: the bitpay people seem relatively sane
mircea_popescu: it seems i say that a lot these days.
mircea_popescu: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/07/archipelago-and-atomic-communitarianism/ << possibly the most idiotic thing i read all week.
thestringpuller: the latter one should be #1
RagnarDanneskjol: mod6 - P2Pool comes with a json api embedded. http://104.131.60.126:8559/local_stats returns a json string that has the pool information. does this fit requirements for teh bot?
thestringpuller: they spend way too much money on swag
asciilifeform: http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCMillTramming.html << for other wretched n00bs in my situation
asciilifeform: the light switch is soviet SOP, though.
asciilifeform: it's the same book, different edition!
assbot: Heres the real reason iPhones are bending - MarketWatch
diametric: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uri-geller-identifies-the-real-reason-the-iphone-6-bends-2014-09-24?link=MW_home_latest_news
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone actually said this derp is "the blogging career that stands out on the Internet and in the history of American letters as a tour de force of philosophical and cultural insight". because epistula non erubescit or some shit.
Duffer1: i mean the one i got a while ago .0001
mircea_popescu: so the response ? "Thanks for the correction. But I wonder if that information was in the Times article (which, again, I didnt read the whole of and was only making a reasonable speculation on, based on past Timesean behavor), or only in the Sailer post."
mircea_popescu: but then, a commenter : "Daniel F. writes: I saw from Steve Sailers post on the same article that the low-income, high-aptitude cohort under discussion is 69 percent white and 15 percent Asian. So the large majority of the kids at issue are white."
mircea_popescu: Times is doing its usual rationalizations for the intellectual and other deficiencies of blacks. I did not read the entire article,but Id say that its fair possibility that it ends up asserting that these students are culturally and geographically isolated by racial discrimination and by the lack of special federal programs that inform them of the existence of better schools. .The eternal top-priority project and
mircea_popescu: "But if, as the Times reports, these students do not even know of the existence of better colleges in America, and they have absolutely no aspiration to attend any schools that are outside their local area, how smart and talented could they be? They appear to have very small horizongs and little knowledge of and little curiosity in the world. Dont very smart people tend to have large horizons?. My guess is that the
mircea_popescu: jesus this is easily the most batshit insane stuff i've seen this week.
asciilifeform thought the thread was about trilema tokens
kakobrekla: if it works - another matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you dispute some party somewhere is trying to advertise something there ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 people who know they're wasting their time/resources tend to engage in this bizarre rationalizing process whereby by reducing the expense their wasted effort is... less wasted ?
nubbins`: mp, put another way, does this mean you're selling a thousand articles a day?
asciilifeform still innocent of the act of buying honest trilema tickets
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kakobrekla: wanst some random there
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asciilifeform: ;;seen the elephant
diametric: yeah, I'm bad at reading the logs.
diametric: its always fun talking in a channel and not realizing I don't have voice because my IRC client is dumb and outputs the error to another window that I routinely ignore.
wywialm: asciilifeform, I was waiting for the opportunity to thank you for introducing me to the writings of Erik Naggum through your blog posts. So - thank you.
assbot: Syria Becomes the 7th Predominantly Muslim Country Bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate - The Intercept
lobbes: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/23/nobel-peace-prize-fact-day-syria-7th-country-bombed-obama/
gribble: User 'kakobrekla', with keyid 27AF75321F2489E8, fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri May 13 18:04:32 2011, last authed on Wed Sep 24 13:20:49 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=kakobrekla . Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla .
asciilifeform: is there... a fungus among us ?
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
assbot: Signature Machines - The Autopen Company
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: ~100% after certain threshold. -- if you really give a damn, ask a norwegian.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller perhaps not, but the norwegian government would have survived had it not assasinated naggum.
asciilifeform: and demanded their cut.
asciilifeform: the local bureaucrats did not believe that he used the remaining year to relax in his library, carry on as polymathic scholar unencumered by day job (a la taleb)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: naggum figured out that he could work ~3 months per year and earn the same money, on account of the strange tax laws of his country
asciilifeform: 'Erik of course, argued. For years and years. And he wouldnt pay ANY tax because they were so unreasonable. And then of course he did become guilty of tax evasion, and their tax claim just grew and grew. As a refsult, he couldnt own anything because it would be confiscated, couldnt earn money because they would take most of it
and so on. After some years, everything in his life was influenced, and p
asciilifeform: http://console-cowboys.blogspot.com/2014/09/arris-cable-modem-backdoor-im.html << not the glorious turd tower that is 'headbash', but still great.
kakobrekla: ;;rate josh_rossi 1 met IRL back in the day
thestringpuller: yea he is a lead dev there
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=jgarzik | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jgarzik | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, maybe jgarzik is
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: precisely the point. owner's pedigree is the only thing backing a premined coin whose mining network is controlled entirely by the owner.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. <<< pedigree of owner is of import in a situation of absent information.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you not more than three people have read the bash code since 1999.
mircea_popescu: so if you insure a bitcent how much is the policy cost ? fiddy satoshi ?
kakobrekla: to other party
kakobrekla: so thats why they will now sell insurance on icbit
Duffer1: some tool bet 1btc on bitbet after the outcome was known, then tried to use the blockchain to say he bet in time, got refunded .99btc, then had some bitsurant derp try to claim winnings
kakobrekla: as their first case or smth
kakobrekla: havent heard from any of them
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-womans-job/
CheckDavid: Insurance firms are now in the business of insuring things that don't happen? Amazing business model
nubbins`: maybe the shitty plumber was also force majeure
mircea_popescu: that's the best line i ever heard
kakobrekla: liek 30k of damage and insurance is fighting to pay cause 'these things happen'.
nubbins`: it's like showing up at richard branson's house and the hot&cold taps are reversed
mircea_popescu: DHCP clients invoke shell scripts to configure the system, with values taken from a potentially malicious server. This would allow arbitrary commands to be run, typically as root, on the DHCP client machine.
mircea_popescu can't help thinking these people are idiots.
nubbins`: so there you have it, folks: you can bend a thin aluminum phone with your hands
asciilifeform: ^ somewhere in there...
mircea_popescu: so basically all cgi calls have been forever vulnerable. thanks the world for php ?
asciilifeform: not everything is malicious << see the ancient thread (mp's?) re: whether it is useful to distinguish between sufficiently incompetent 'rangers' and actual scammers
mats_cd03: p soon there will be a website n a nice graphic
mircea_popescu: not sure if anyone other than correction typography used it
nubbins`: anyway, this is all a bit of a wank. at the end of the day, i have to convert all my graphics to adobe illustrator format
mircea_popescu: ikr ? tell the customers to wait.
nubbins`: i'm waiting for the part where stan explains what format i should be saving my graphics in
asciilifeform: isomorphic ascii representation of whatever-the-fuck-we-want can always be generated on demand.
mircea_popescu: but there is some merit in using ascii for data.
nubbins`: alf OTHERWISE WE'LL STARVE ;(
asciilifeform: nubbins`: let's eat shit, it's the only food we all have.
nubbins`: we don't love it because it's pretty, we love it because it's the only one
nubbins`: but hey, it's the only open-source vector graphics standard we have
nubbins`: asciilifeform it was actually XSLT which rekindled the flames of my misanthropy
asciilifeform: svg << anyone familiar with the atrocity will understand why everyone involved with 'xml' should be roasting in hell, with devils stoking the furnace with copies of the standards literature.
nubbins`: the nipple is just a point w/ heavy stroke
nubbins`: it loaded the SHIT out of this irc client
nubbins`: came with 2gb ram, the 8gb is noticeably better so far
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: in fact, i bought the RAM from newegg, altho i didn't use btc
nubbins`: so i just upgraded my laptop for the first time since i bought it in 2008
mircea_popescu: the hell is that ?!" "oh this ? it's my sex tape"
mircea_popescu: (lol of all time, in bar, people put their shit on table - phones keys etc - this hardcore highschooler chick that somewhat reminds me of miss julia t puts a huge bubblegum tape thing
mircea_popescu: in other words : britney's getting her tits now and she's never EVER going to be left alone ever again.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
kakobrekla: but i en up hidden and in the basement in both instances?
artifexd: I don't remember. I remember it being a thing about there being several who are.
mircea_popescu dusts off his technicality club insignia, proceeds to explain to kako difference between running in the basement to hide and running to hide in the basement. the first is like pouring vodka to drink, the latter like getting glass to pour vodka
artifexd: Anybody else going to the bitcoin conference at Disney? With so many b-a'ers in FL, maybe a b-a get together is not out of line.
mircea_popescu: can't say he's not tried. can't say he's really tried, either. can't say he's a faggot, not really, can'
kakobrekla runs in the basement to hide.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's the new generation. sorta half-ass doing things and being "ironic" about them at the same time as a sort of multi-hedged insurance agaisnt the scary world.
kakobrekla: well bitbet was sort of down and assbot suffered the most
xmj: the guy who gets married...
assbot: Couple to Get Married on the Bitcoin Blockchain at Disney Bitcoin Conference – Bitcoin Magazine
The20YearIRCloud: sounds like europe is leading the way!
kakobrekla: bb up for the time being.