BingoBoingo: What... the fuck...
BingoBoingo: To compensate I imagine they follow with individual grains of sand...
assbot: The Pentagon Isn't Done Investigating 1,700 Child Porn Cases From 2006
BingoBoingo: http://blackbag.gawker.com/the-pentagon-isnt-done-investigating-1-700-child-porn-c-1639433705/+leahfinnegan
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can still buy them.
BingoBoingo: So... MacIvory is kind of the first thing I've seen that makes the Mac II seem interesting
MolokoDesk: back in a while. shuffling logins and uninstalling/reinstalling deedBot. I'll spare you further details.
MolokoDesk: I may simply make the deedBot register itself.
BingoBoingo: (or the first)
bounce: think you'd have to reg the bot separately anyhow. ask in #freenode?
kakobrekla: (usually the hackers go for 123)
MolokoDesk: freenode assigns the same password to every nick I register. they're all me. It's some anti-sockpuppet feature. There may be work around. I haven't looked into it deeply
MolokoDesk: i would but I'm not sure I want to put my password in the code.
kakobrekla: register the bots nick
MolokoDesk: bear with the verbose mode...
BingoBoingo: Ah, this particular municipality I'm in atm has a problem of erosion wound manholes threatening to collapse street, leaving the structures supporting manholes as tire slaughtering juggernauts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: go to wash., d.c., look at manholes; sometimes they forget to strip the 'presidential' weld seals off.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no countermeasure to a turned over garbage truck on it, either
BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/patents/US7607858?dq=national+security+agency&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xfMlVNjpD5KYyASjy4CgBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBQ << No countermeasure for thermite? (Not to breach, but to seal more)
assbot: Avionics Magazine :: The Real Reason Selective Availability Was Turned Off
asciilifeform: http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/The-Real-Reason-Selective-Availability-Was-Turned-Off_12739.html
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well yeah, that second is what I mean. I dunno that the private was especially useful until the satellites accounted for relativity as they intuited time onto the manifold.
asciilifeform: rather, there were two signals, one 'civilian' - nearly worthless, another 'private' - which was accurate
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: misnomer. wasn't about the present-day claim of switching off location data to a geographic region
BingoBoingo: I might need to read more, but I though the whole selective availability thing was a bluff.
BingoBoingo: This is true. GPS in the 90's was rather useless for pinpoint one's location in a city. Can now tell which building's entrance you are pondering.
decimation: yeah I would believe. Also GPS is one of the few that chose a rational timebase, no leap seconds
asciilifeform: (a long gap, more than a few years, between filing date and publication date - means a formerly secret patent. those are only printed when the subject matter leaks.)
BingoBoingo: Bottleneck sure. Kind of like a disk drive in comparison. If a process and its handlers can't fit in 16 MB of on chip cache though this is a wrong solution for the task.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That might be on the next napkin. atm I'm kind of leaning towards the memory not of die using some heat to prevent condensation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do you intend to do with the memory ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A napkin, "Netburst" pentium 4 stats and imagining scaling from there straight up on the clock...
BingoBoingo: dub: Then his chip is severely underclocked for this solution
BingoBoingo: But if the cold end never dips below room temperature...
asciilifeform: regardless of where the hot end is.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I'm imaging the heat exchange goes outdoors. Like in airconditioning.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ever own the old 'koolance' freon cpu gizmo ?
dub: dudes at old shop bought a wizbang 24 core/80?gigglebits machine for the purpose,then watched it humming along on 1 core
asciilifeform: dub: has other problems also
BingoBoingo: Multithreading is just a workaround for the real problem
MolokoDesk: the verbose messages are probably useful for the demo to discuss to any level of detail what it does and how it does it.
dignork: asciilifeform: on wireshark site they promoted some wunder-вафля which can work with large datasets, but it's not there anymore
MolokoDesk: regarding the deedBot project: it's demonstratable now.
asciilifeform: dignork: which 'they'
dignork: they do have something commercial, but I did not look too close
asciilifeform: just one of those things which there's precisely one of.
asciilifeform: afaik there is no serious contender for alternative to 'wireshark.'
dignork: dub: do you know of any sane alternative to wireshark? because working with <1G pcaps and re-reading the whole stupid file each time I change view filter hurts my sense of beauty
mircea_popescu: so logically, the outside router is 192.168.0.1, and the inside router 192.168.0.102 in its system. however the public ip address of the inside router is 192.168 >> 1 <<< . 1
mircea_popescu: so can the innermost lan think the router is 192:168:0:1 while the router thinks the other router is 192:168:0:1 ?
dub: the meme that keeps on giving
BingoBoingo: Is it an issue with the firewall/packet-filter?
BingoBoingo: Did you make sure the goat was a virgin?
mircea_popescu: the router connects fine, as proven by knowing what time it is. computers connecting to it see its network, but fail to connect to the interwebs
mircea_popescu: soo, trying to daisychain nat routers. the 2nd one i configured to use as static ip 192.168.0.102 which is what the upstream one would have allocated it, and then 192.168.0.1 as gateway
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: It appears the FTC has decided to go to war on bitcoin overall and is starting with Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs is being portrayed by the FTC as a bogus and fake company."
mircea_popescu: Butterfly Labs is disappointed in the heavy-handed actions of the Federal Trade Commission. In a rush to judgment, the FTC has acted as judge, jury and executioner, contrary to our intended system of governmental checks and balances. "
mircea_popescu: The fact that the information was today released by the French state to Echegaray under the legal umbrella of a bilateral agreement between both countries tax authorities on so-called double taxation put those doubts to rest."
mircea_popescu: "According to Claríns supplement iEco, it was Falciani who originally contacted the Argentine authorities to talk about the list, but there was a legal obstacle to circumvent before the information could be used by AFIP: if the list was given straight to Echegaray outside official state channels, its validity would not have stood in front of a court of law.
ben_vulpes: and yet being "unbanked" is a bad thing to the libtard
mircea_popescu: "We will analyze the information on a case-by-case basis, and cross-reference this database with the taxpayers that have declared accounts on Switzerlands HSBC, Echegaray explained afterwards when meeting the press at the Argentine Embassy in France." << how about "we can't use stolen data".
mircea_popescu: "The head of the AFIP tax bureau Ricardo Echegaray received yesterday an encrypted CD from the French government containing information on 3,900 undeclared bank accounts of Argentine origin in the Swiss branch of HSBC. The original source of information is whistleblower Hervé Falciani, who worked as an IT engineer at the bank for seven years before deciding to leak what he saw as systemic tax evasion."
mircea_popescu: when mingled with the nonsensical misrepresentation of democracy as a representative process, the resulting hypergolic explosion scatters headless chickens over a large surface, which headless chickens then proceed to "do something" because they "have to do something"
mircea_popescu: all this mess stemming from the intellectually bankrupt ideology that there is such a thing as "progress" which somehow is made out of "change".
mircea_popescu: pity it doesn't also mention how bush and his lackey blair lied about imagined "weapons" that they themselves did have, but iraq did not have.
mircea_popescu: "At the Munich Satellite Navigation Summit on 10 March 2010, a Chinese government official asked the European Commission why it no longer wanted to work with China, and when China's cash investment in Galileo would be returned."
thestringpuller: so my inner black man is very repressed. like in the chappelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong"
mats_cd03: thestringpuller: i have an important question for you.
bounce: what? it's where all the feels are. obviously.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 there's definitely value in educating teenagers.
mircea_popescu: by the way, that dangle reminds me : here's what i currently believe the best dialogue in the history of cinema : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-vu-l8mLE
mats_cd03: as misguided as that is, there's something to be said for shared sacrifice
mats_cd03: perhaps because females are intimately familiar with the particular sensation of gut wrenching?
mircea_popescu: the likeliness of someone having actually witnessed a savaging is pretty much inversely proprotional to the count of "gutwrenching" they used over their lifetime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw what did you think of the hour of battle rewrite ?
mircea_popescu: so today i learned someone came up with the following idea : take n2o4, heat. it dissociates into 2no2. put through turbine, extract work. as it cools and loses pressure n2o4 reforms. compress, cycle.
chetty: the line of nutsos is getting long
mircea_popescu: chetty austrians are even more nutso than the germans
asciilifeform: e.g. the existence and continued persistence of 'c', x86, etc
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "we've lived there forever"
asciilifeform: generations of fools have shat in the soup, though.
mircea_popescu: fools can be either slaves or dead.
mircea_popescu: you don';t add fools to the mix.
asciilifeform: but once you add fools (who can also be liars, but let's not complicate unnecessarily) to the mix...
mircea_popescu: so then. debian, gentoo, bsds, etc.
asciilifeform: i'd happily apply alchemy and astrology, if they worked.
mircea_popescu: no, you just don't want to apply management to the philosophical problem.
asciilifeform: this is rather more like how in parts of africa, it would be 'expensive' to hire a man without aids virus
asciilifeform: but if it were an actual option, appealing to beggar and miser alike, then we know if deliberate bending over is the actual phenomenon at work
asciilifeform: well, naturally. right now folks have to choose between 'rich and healthy or poor and diseased.' because actual security is expensive (the way unicorn meat is expensive)
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:50:59; asciilifeform: '
we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, A fool and his money are soon parted at the fools own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describ
mircea_popescu: puts the whole pretense of representativity into question.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that the eu even considered that demand, and i don't mean answer to it, but even considered it
asciilifeform: (^ what happened to that? i've no idea, ask them)
asciilifeform: quite like the u.s. demand that eu 'galileo' sat. constellation have a u.s.-owned remote 'off' switch - 'or we'll have to shoot'
asciilifeform: i think this even came up here once. u.s. corps deliberately closing eyes to back orifices of all kinds, to avoid the red tape of subpoenas
asciilifeform: who demonstrates subservience by volunteering to wear the collar.
asciilifeform: there is a particular species of chumpatronium, what one might call a chumpassal (chump, vassal)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the unsettling discovery is that mass-derp can continue far longer than the example under consideration. e.g., 'crypto ag' still exists, multi-$b, 'unknown' ownership, and... multi-decade loyal customers.
thestringpuller: this article is the best thing ever
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta do things to the fullest i say
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: today-is-the << great 'muhahahaha!' piece.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bake cookies ?
mircea_popescu: Naphex: for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting << the good stuff happebed prior to the release.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/
thestringpuller: There shouldn't be a Bitcoin Foundation at all.
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Foundatoin shouldn't be in the US
mats_cd03: "The bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse U.S. foreign policy, and the bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse everything the U.S. intelligence community does." But, he said, "things that are morally wrong, bitcoin rejects." ...
asciilifeform: chetty: lol, they actually sent such a thing via commercial parcel co. instead of courier ?
mats_cd03: if not terrible. almost as though she read "Speaker of the Dead", and thought, "ill do that, but better."
mircea_popescu: like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers << the exact fucking problem.
mats_cd03: i thought the eulogy was beautifully written
asciilifeform: pretend that nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.'
asciilifeform: 'to take but one simple example: suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to
asciilifeform: e war zone, you'd rush to the war zone to join the feeding frenzy, right? so, to complete the grim picture, software in our society is diseased, the activity you read about are all about cleaning up the disasters and surviving the equivalent of plagues, and it just takes a tremendous amount of people and work to keep the whole system from dying, like the incredibly stupid year-2000 problem.'
asciilifeform: 'another way to look at this is to see that software in today's society has a number of diseased elements, to consider that maggots eat only diseased or dead tissue, that dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers, and pretend that you're a maggot. you wouldn't care about the living and the healthy who prosper outside th
ben_vulpes: financial freedom is the only social good
mircea_popescu: the one thing all those idiots will never say is exactly the only thing they should be saying at all : this other guy didn't do it, he is our king, our lord, our sovereign, and so much better than we may even aspire to one day be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this whole fiasco reminds me of naggum's discussion of the y2k thing.
mircea_popescu: none of this "but mp, you never gave any proof". there's your motherfuc king proof now stfu and shine my boots.
mircea_popescu: i seriously expect the entire world to now bow down to my superiority and explicitly recognise its inferiority, as a wholy owned, substantive characteristic of their own.
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2013 16:40:53; mircea_popescu: and the same princuople goes to the "devteam" retards implememnting pki
mircea_popescu: not like they'll cary on derping about "ux" and how their shit is worth not just money, but billions of it.
mircea_popescu: because the world is fair and people rational.
assbot: Security Collapse in the HTTPS Market - ACM Queue
ben_vulpes: the only leg i can see hedging are btc holdings
mircea_popescu: the ONLY one thing.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the shorts we want our shorts to be and the shorts our shorts actually are is the one thing that sinks businesses.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting. << pah yup
ben_vulpes: sure, it guarantees cash in pocket instead of worthless paper when the music stops, but all i'm left with when the music stops is a company that makes software in competition with all the other shartup engineers.
mircea_popescu: and i mean both for VCs and for PUAs, and come to think about it the difference is negligible.
mircea_popescu: the whole charade's a sort of "fine when we do it, evil/bad/wrong when they do it" thing.
mircea_popescu: this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> what is a rationalization hamster? << supposedly what women do when they've been rejected by a magical boy of magic, they go in a corner and worry and obsessively rethink the experience.
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?" <<< i agree that other people's shit stinks but isn't my doodoo all perfumed ?!
mats_cd03: is that soviet in origin asciilifeform? i noticed the idea first, in cult phenomenon Game of Thrones
kakobrekla: theres another story where they just put the rat on your belly and cover it so it cant escape. what happens is an exercise to the alert reader.
ben_vulpes: (also, bad puns on the rear end)
ben_vulpes: what about the guy who's into that sort of wriggling around?
xmj: then its gonna be daaaaaaangerous not to be in a cashflow positive business
mats_cd03: and then there's this, "I do agree valuations are artificially inflated, but before you start drawing parallels to 1999 and every financial bubble of years past remember there are companies with real revenue streams. Sure, there are the snapchat valuations which have no basis, but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?"
mats_cd03: some dummies with the 'oh its been goin on for a while now, nbd' ...
mats_cd03: the HN comments are worrying
punkman: yeah not like he's giving them piles of cash
mats_cd03: the nerve of some people
mats_cd03: 13:01:49 <+myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free
mats_cd03: 13:00:59 <+myriadgetsmehard> i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold
ben_vulpes: order book is over there. place orders and quit derping.
myriadgetsmehard: ben you are acting like the dinosaurs i get enough shit from man :)
myriadgetsmehard: new gTLDs are the shit man. too many new domains (.com seekers) are shit imo
asciilifeform: 'A SMURF listens to the Village for variable assignments. When a SMURF receives one, it makes the state transition and returns a list of inferences that must now hold. It is the responsibility of the Village to ensure that the inferences in the list become agreed upon by all Smurfs.'
ben_vulpes: and also they only fly at 2kph
mircea_popescu: youi're doing this substitutive thinking thing wrong, it's amply discussed in the logs.
mircea_popescu: you would NOT suspect it's your bullets that are the problem
mircea_popescu: if you were a hunter and moved to a difference cannuckistan, and all the moose you shot was the size of a chicken
myriadgetsmehard: asciilifeform there is no ria
mircea_popescu: tyvm and stfu, you're offering 500k to the guy who does that, plus a little fee for allowing your pointless existence to be associated with his.
mircea_popescu: "i'm offering 100k in any currency to the salesman that sells this rock i found in the street for 500k"
mircea_popescu: <myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. << because why, because it's up to you ?
ben_vulpes: to return to the previous topic of conversation: the incompetence of the prisoners implies incompetence of ratcatchers, non?
ben_vulpes: that's the only free market with which you need concern yourself.
ben_vulpes: myriadgetsmehard: put 'em in the OTC order book.
myriadgetsmehard: maybe i needa setup a gpg contract to get these sold for a commission.
myriadgetsmehard: It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free
myriadgetsmehard: i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold
mircea_popescu: myriadgetsmehard i doubt they think even those are valuable. i definitely would think much less of any marketplace that purports to sell 2nd market domain names.
myriadgetsmehard: mircea_popescu they only think .com's are valuable :/
ben_vulpes: "BitPremier currently lists only the following: real estate, autos (listed at $50k USD or more), jewelry and watches (listed at $5k USD or more), home goods and travel (listed at $5k USD or more), handbags and accessories (listed at $5K USD or more)"
myriadgetsmehard: I am trying to sell http://btc.events I also have a .rentals .holiday and .pub and others
assbot: The Bitcoin Luxury Marketplace
myriadgetsmehard: So the bastard at http://bitpremier.com/ won't list my BTC domains. I'm a little pissed to be honest
ben_vulpes: the correct usage is 'r'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure of the homo sapiens relation. the women are made of flesh, so in that sense it passes, but i have little clue what the males are made of.
mircea_popescu: it's the one that most convincingly stotts, say.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos a good deer is not the one that eats least.
xanthyos: in a privatized prison system, a "good prisoner" is one who consumes the least amount of food
mircea_popescu: they are, in short, retarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's deeper. they lack both the mind structures that make it necessary and possible, as well as the capacity of observation and reason that make the process unavoidable.
asciilifeform: the american jailbirds have defective... понятия.
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles at the thing mircea_popescu finds difficult to explain, in any language.
asciilifeform: incidentally, it is because the prisons are run as a miniature copy of the entire empire
mircea_popescu: course if you ask them, or if you watch their movies, they're total fucking experts.
mircea_popescu: the russian career criminals reportedly find the us, in spite of having the world's largest incarcerated population, doesn't even have good prisoners.
mircea_popescu: who, of the singers are actually singers ? what businessman knows business ? etc.
mircea_popescu: but then again, the same sort of adolescent retardation is at work everywhere - what english speaker could hold his job if the artificial barriers were removed ?
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, people allowed their own intimacy.
mircea_popescu: im famous among a group of [girl]friends for this one trip I took one of them for at some point, that was never documented or repeated.
assbot: Talk:Eurisko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: punkman: 'ZIL' (not to be confused with the soviet car)
punkman: asciilifeform: I'm looking for something like the Inform7 beast but with more Lisp. Where does one look for Lisp libraries and such?
punkman: "It’s an impressive bit of work, especially in the RNG department." "This part of the build isn’t quite working yet"
RagnarDanneskjol: yes. i thought you'd appreciate the attempt
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: 'nsa away' << very sad. reading, see kids have almost correct idea (synched write of avalanche noise to two flash cards, etc) and then see - the plaintext is eaten up and shat out of 'android' phones...
assbot: Why the Power Elite Loves Equality – LewRockwell.com
kuzetsa: it actually looks so shitty I think it might even be an automated thing done by a rather unimaginatve bot
kuzetsa: opensslrampage appears to be someone's blog who posts nothing but links to random-ass commits to the libressl repo
kuzetsa: gnupg uses libgcrypt for the RSA key generation :(
kuzetsa: and then when you select RSA it's done via openssl
kuzetsa: and that isn't on the server, that's on my laptop
kuzetsa: well... I mean my GPG key for authing with gribble is an RSA key but other than that
xmj: kuzetsa: did you secure your systems against the vuln in nss too?
kuzetsa: CVE-2014-3631, CVE-2014-6271, and CVE-2014-7169 patched, full system-wide stack smashing protection (via GCC 4.9.1 -- had to recompile every last binary package with the new GCC with the appropriate flags enabled) and a few other nice things done... yay!
pete_dushenski: the dreams beckon.
pete_dushenski: you've got derpy media writing a derpy article about a derpy politician with the absolute derpiest of ads.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
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asciilifeform: this doesn't even tough upon the very special chumpatronic clients who are admitted, to flounder about in 7+ years of too-precious-to-flunk limbo.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: << bwahahaha
decimation: in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: http://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-177.html
ben_vulpes: <decimation> gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ << people say: "do this!" and I say "what innovation? we duct tape thinger a to tab b and make clients happy." they do not understand, and i cannot enlighten them without calling into question that which they value themselves upon.
decimation: implication of peg to usd: they have some usd to trade
mircea_popescu: this is the equivalent of the "if newspiece title ask a question, the response is no".
cazalla: "An in-house, web based, exchange seamlessly converts Bitcoin (BTC) to Breakout Coin (BRO) with a cold storage solution to protect the currency, avoiding the opportunity for hackers to enter the servers. Breakout Gamings site will feature 88 different casino games including the popular Texas Hold Em, Open Face Chinese Poker, in addition to a custom built Fantasy Sports betting platform. " more shit coins for your bitcoin
cazalla: anyone heard of http://breakoutgaming.com/ before? apparently johnny chan is gonna be the face of it and they'll have bitcoin deposit/withdrawals
asciilifeform: and mit rubber-stamped the bsd license release of the original cadr stuff, once priced at $maxint
asciilifeform: people made backups. on tape. someone actually paid to have many of the tapes recovered.
decimation: one would think that someone would have made a few backups, but then again shit happens I guess
decimation: it is interesting how this eurisko thing, the really useful symbolics stuff, early MIT lisp stuff -- much of it has simply disappeared
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-scoop-it-into-the-garbage-and-ask-how-many-cups-of-stupid-you-threw-in-there/
asciilifeform: 'cyc' is a real laugh. they have a crippled 'open' version; in java, if i recall!
asciilifeform: afaik he remains there.
decimation: the 'cyc' stuff, yeah that seems dumb