bounce: "dumb" isn't the right word for that, not even close.
moriarty: i.e. someone who explicitly shows off her intellectual prowess, and while that's welcome, it is the more subtle girl who exerts her intelligence socially that is probably someone i admire more, moreover because social mastery is something more elusive than academic
moriarty: bounce, well, the effects are visible without having to explicitly state one's own brilliance
bounce: that's no models for you then
moriarty: lol dumb is someone in the words of Deng Xiaoping, cherish obscurity, hide brilliance
bounce: girls /might/ learn to read there, but that's it. no education, instant knowledge how society functions. there you go.
moriarty: it's arbitrary to someone who does not get the nuances of popularity, status and how society functions
moriarty: bounce, heh there's a difference between being dumb, and being dumb
moriarty: bounce, i like dumb women because they know how society functions
moriarty: :) and with that comes the implicit requirements for looks, intellect and social grace
bounce: some think dumb women are easier to handle and therefore a surer way to success
moriarty: defining your own success metrics means nothing in the face of being a top-ranked hustler in society
bounce: some think a few kids but a giant nest egg would serve them better
moriarty: show me the money, xmj
bounce: IOW, what they want out of life. definitions of "success" differ markedly across various people.
moriarty: xmj, yeah you can promise me the moon, doesn't mean jack
moriarty: xmj, promise is not the same as track record
xmj: fluffypony: screened long enough, then?
xmj: moriarty: once you factor in genetics, you obviously want the unicorn.
moriarty: like that ever makes a difference when you're busy banging the broad
moriarty: lol that's the quintessential nerd's dream
moriarty: BingoBoingo, if you're ugly or keep offending people, then chances are you won't last very long on that throne
xmj: BingoBoingo: recently I read a paper on how English peers in the 14th through 16th century mated.
moriarty: so why am i wasting my breath on the uninitiated?
moriarty: lol then again i don't think many people in here know too much about stocks or ##econometrics
moriarty: it's to the tune of 8 billion yearly
xmj: fluffypony: yeah, he's currently driving me up the walls.
moriarty: do you realise the extent of NSA's contractual dishouts?
BingoBoingo: The point is if you are a Hilton that sucks, you can make porn or Biodiesel.
bounce: but the takeaway ought to be that you (ie, those in power) are rigging the system then blaming the victims for having let the system end up being rigged against them.
xmj: USD does not represent equity in the US government.
xmj: moriarty: not the same thing
moriarty: xmj, just buy the USD
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moriarty: bounce, if you can fix your genes to be permanently superior, then i'm all for it
moriarty: bounce, well, i am not against genetic therapy, as long as it's a permanent change and not a superficial treatment
xmj: bounce: the cheaper option is to prevent dysgenics..
moriarty: xmj, it's funny how google and NSA have the same objectives as organisations
moriarty: xmj, at least i'm not google, i don't pretend to do no evil :) and then rape everyone
bounce: will you donate the money for gene therapy against poorness to any and all poor who come asking?
moriarty: bounce, it's the new world where if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide
moriarty: if you're poor then, well, you need to get started on balancing all the red in your ledgers
bounce: we can do so much better, yet aren't doing it. we're making unnecessary tradeoffs and are telling ourselfs it's the best we can have so suck it up
moriarty: if you're rich, then chances are you're doing something right
bounce: that's a false dichotomy and therefore rationalisation bullshit
bounce: tangentially, the more money and/or (benign) visibility you have, the easier it gets to right certain wrongs, perversely supporting broken systems like this.
moriarty: bounce, there's always a tradeoff between convenience and security/privacy never forget that
bounce: more specifically, the banking system is now so unavoidable (yet) and so privacy unfriendly that it's quickly becoming more of a hazard than a boon for the clients.
moriarty: lol thank god for the k-line
fluffypony: bounce: its because they were designed when ancient and crummy infrastructure was still a thinf
moriarty: because it was mainly dealing with postal deliveries in competition with the USPS
bounce: the problem is that the whole thing is optimised for appearance, not substance. technically the whole credit card thing doesn't work very well.
moriarty: so Visa came about from the now defunct IBANCO and Mastercard's counterpart is ICA
bounce: bleh, yet another marketeering vehicle
moriarty: sure, Visa and Mastercard are actually a consortium of banks that came together to merge their electronic funds transfer networks into one
xmj: also: not the only difference.
moriarty: but they're being crowded out by more prestigious but newer players
xmj: there's american express, too
cazalla: BingoBoingo, these things almost alwawys come out down under
xmj: thestringpuller: that's what happens when people actually start reading bloated software. same thing with openssl after libressl fork.
xmj: but, they're with moderate impact
xmj: another day
bounce: because compared to that evil cash, visa and mastercard are so much better propositions... for the customer.
asciilifeform: if you get the same old crater - perhaps he lives elsewhere
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform likes to suggest pondering theological implications of a glassed middle east << With sufficient yields can make spotting the oil easier
assbot: Why Christians Are Criticizing Cruz—and Israel | The American Conservative
decimation: Ted Cruz sure does http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-christians-are-criticizing-ted-cruz-and-israel/
asciilifeform likes to suggest pondering theological implications of a glassed middle east
decimation: danielpbarron: I'm not accusing you of anything - I am just tired of nominal Christians in the us kowtowing to Israel
assbot: Ezekiel 23:20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
decimation: danielpbarron: how many Christian churches actively proselytize the Jews?
decimation: therefore I am dubious that folk would be able to differentiate
assbot: Romans 11:19-24 NKJV - You will say then, Branches were - Bible Gateway
decimation: these days I doubt you would find much difference between 'mainstream' Christianity and 'mainstream' Judaism
BingoBoingo: And in Law school the Goy's can't call out aspiring goy's because PC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More people want a Goy lawyer, but don't want an actual Goy. The actual goys tend to retreat to either left coast after law school.
asciilifeform: or is it that other folks won't go to a 'goy' lawyer ?
asciilifeform: lol, lawyers have ethnic mafia there ?
BingoBoingo: The tend to be ostracized by actual people of Yweh's nose, but no local WASPs care
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa) << In the middle West you get plastic jews, people who undergoe trans ethnicism for lawyer jobs
asciilifeform: or let him explain how to recreate the lifestyle of a mongol hordesman in modern times
asciilifeform: herr l. is near the top of my list of rich'n'famous folks i'd personally enjoy seeing in here.
asciilifeform: (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa)
BingoBoingo: I mean the french can do it well, just when we have aspiring diesel that would suppose "Freedom Fries"
decimation: I look forward to the next regime change in the us so that the 'anti-communists' can be named
dub: 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone' << Patton's "Murica
asciilifeform: decimation: folks from soviet blok were lured with imaginary 'nice' jobs, the proverbial fifty types of sausage, posh cars, etc.
asciilifeform: decimation: engineered 'brain drain' was a weapon in use at the time
asciilifeform: decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone'
decimation: among other things, a sect of Christianity that is premillennial, some of whom believe that the jews must be gathered in the middle east to start the end of the world and Jesus's return
BingoBoingo: decimation: Jews because they are the non-ISIS middle east hedgemon, gotta catch them ALL, HEDGEMON!!!
decimation: I don't get the jews. why do they care about jews? They are just a small subset of europeans among the unwashed masses of europeans
BingoBoingo: decimation> ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era << Not so limited. To Understand the West you have to understand their hard ons, Jews and Isis.
decimation: ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era
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asciilifeform: if you are not part of one of these groups - you will not be in the running for any handouts in usa.
asciilifeform: decimation: approximately - food stamps are given to groups, rather than people. not formally, of course - but in practice.
BingoBoingo: Don't forget Thermos and Nefario...
BingoBoingo: IS that match/mismatch an indicator of acting or otherwise?
asciilifeform: and then there is the undocumented talmud used by usg bureaucrats to determine who qualifies for lifetime pensions.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The differentiation is indeed difficult. I dunno that his flavor exists in the new DSM V
asciilifeform: i have often direly envied the man his schizophrenia - or acting skills, as the case may be.
asciilifeform: so we do not actually know how much he is truly batshit, and how much - is just playing the necessary role.
asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work!
BingoBoingo has kind of come to appreciate the crazy of TempleOS
BingoBoingo: reeses: https://xkcd.com/298/ << Actually dreamed a lucrative tablet game last night. Background is a topless redhead. Foreground is "Space Invaders" goal is to keep falling apples from covering the nipples.
asciilifeform: 'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.'
asciilifeform: the abominable 'english-like' scripting language lured various people who thought they could never stomach programming into trying
BingoBoingo also used hypercard astonishingly to keep my dick wet, organizing girls into nights of the week.
asciilifeform: decimation: the reason - understandability.
asciilifeform: (i haven't any for it. i actually associate the environment it ran on with school, which was a misery)
asciilifeform: generally, they like it 'because pretty ux buttons'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: virtually none of my readers showed any signs of liking it for the same reason i did.
Duffer1: oh damn i'm sure those "i am darren wilson" bracelets didn't help the situation much lol
BingoBoingo: Following the Anglos on anything has never been a good move though. Ever since the vowel shift turned the Britons into Barbarians at least.
BingoBoingo: "Officer" in quotes because in the Western tradition the roles of "officer" and enlisted are different.
Duffer1: good things there was video of it
decimation: yeah the old xilinx part
decimation: asciilifeform: most fpgas are not very suitable either
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: They never really stopped
decimation: it is because of the dynamic range allowed in a single blob
asciilifeform: even the gate libraries used by extant semiconductor fab houses would have to be thrown.
BingoBoingo: So... the ferguson thing looks like it might turn into open war...
asciilifeform: likewise, for dataflow cpu fabric (the only truly reasonable way to build a computer) - existing logic synthesis methods are unsuitable.
asciilifeform: i've argued in the past that you have to ditch... binary. if you want to be rid of the 'floating point' abomination.
decimation: I would throw ddr in the trash
asciilifeform: divide the r&d and production cost by that figure. that's how much each unit would have to cost to... break even.
asciilifeform: there would be a market for about six machines.
asciilifeform: if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware -
asciilifeform: the reason is entirely mundane
decimation: one would become an enemy of the wintel bezzle lords
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board << Because you love the idea of it
BingoBoingo: why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake. << People who could make it, exceedingly expensive today if hired for the task of making it.
asciilifeform: the other interesting observation is that lm in 1980s was expensive for far different reason than it would be today
decimation: rich princes being famous for their fickle tastes
asciilifeform: 'artist picked the wrong medici'
asciilifeform: (withdrawal of the infinite usg money it relied on - directly, and indirectly - through the major clients being usg ops)
decimation: what is the 'bullet hole'?
asciilifeform: while ignoring the bullet hole in its head
asciilifeform: it is hilarious to read about all of the various nicks, bruises, paper cuts found on the corpse of symbolics corp.
decimation: plus symbolics decided to waste their money on california real estate or some such craziness
decimation: ibm/wintel happened to pave over their niche though
asciilifeform: decimation: it is important to understand that lm was a specialist instrument - like the most elaborate electron microscope.
decimation: yeah the lisp machine was carried by only a precious handful of people, who were the enemies of ibm and everyone else who wanted to muscle into the space
asciilifeform: then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated.
decimation: well, one could argue that's why the lisp machine died out, right?
asciilifeform: subjective only in the sense that people vary in size
decimation: the man 'understands' swinging in a subjective way?
asciilifeform: like the difference between a shirt that fits and one which does not
decimation: the single wielder can certainly explore a larger set of swing-space
asciilifeform: ^ that is the kind of thing i mean by -understandable-.
asciilifeform: then - somebody comes up with metallurgy, creates sword that one man can comfortably swing.
asciilifeform: even the best swings would be from among a very small set of simple strokes.
asciilifeform: and they would work in synchrony, but of course imperfectly - and occasionally at cross purposes
asciilifeform: imagine if the stone age had extended far beyond where it did, and man built gigantic stone swords.
asciilifeform: decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-.
asciilifeform: mainly - moving bits from one place to another.
asciilifeform: laugh, laugh. but most of what you expect from your computer is not -mathematically- more complicated than 'hello world.'
decimation: it helps a great deal if the programming language you use guarantees proper memory allocation, bounds checking, etc.
decimation: usg is the unintentional beneficiary of a great deal of "I want to make a difference" altruism
kakobrekla: asciilifeform do you claim you can write bugless code (maybe even given the right platform to do it on)
decimation: what I find inexplicable is that you find folks in the us who absolutely hate everything about usg policies, in terms of how it mismanages wealth, fails to jail criminals, etc, and yet are willing to serve the military side
decimation: see the bitcoin/socom meeting in the link above http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#846156
asciilifeform: decimation: mp added a c) if i recall: 'kill and bury the pyramid builders, blind the architect'
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 04:09:34; asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.
asciilifeform: if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter.
asciilifeform: even if there is no immediately visible 'smoking gun'
assbot: Why Science Can't Accept Miracles (Even if They Really Exist)
decimation: do we know who the author is?
asciilifeform: decimation: who knew << the author.
decimation: this 'bash bug' is hilarious. one wonders who knew about it for the past few years, and who exploited it unawares...
BingoBoingo: DMOZ being a project left for the people who aren't even good enough for wikipedia fail.
BingoBoingo: In the interim my younger brother went to dental school, and... why the fuck didn't I do that...
asciilifeform: trivially extend the cable that connects laptop keyboard. but, why?!?
BingoBoingo: My brother's freshman year room mate I am told had a pantent on a similar detachable keyboard arrangement.Last I check as of 2007 the VC circus had enlarged his expectation's sphincter many guages
BingoBoingo: I was inclined to think that might be the laptop's own detached
asciilifeform: sat on top of the laptop
asciilifeform: no, the keyboard
BingoBoingo: Are there any longsoons that aren't in miniature?
asciilifeform: what is rms holding in the photo?
assbot: Shellshock just 'a blip' says Richard Stallman as Bash bug attacks increase | Technology | theguardian.com
BingoBoingo: "Lindhs NAS ran Bash alternative Dash by default and a tweet from security researcher Dragos Ruiu appeared to back up Lindhs early research. If derivatives of Bash are also vulnerable to Shellshock, this would widen the number of potential targets massively." << BADBOIS Guy >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/26/bash-bug-shellshock-richard-stallman
BingoBoingo: I wish I had the dexterity to handle clockwork in a creative way
asciilifeform: a there, Doctor.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Strangelove: 'Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.' Russian Ambassador: 'I must confess, you have an astonishingly good ide
BingoBoingo: Africa where Ebola is about to become a permanent feature of life, or South America where anyone of worth from the remains of Rome settled are the extant options.
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BingoBoingo: Hidden, Fortress, and neither compose a triangle.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And there's the trick. You can't have shangri-la without fresh nubile women, and you can't have a place for them to congregate without a city. By this metric a courtyard between building wings could be all the gultch necessary.
asciilifeform: the whole fantasy involves a 'hidden fortress' in some shangri-la
BingoBoingo: The tragic flaw with TDV's Galts gultch Chile is that it could have been viabile if only instead they went for an apartment block in a city...
BingoBoingo: So likely the plan may or may not involve hoofing it that stretch and buying another motor vehicle
BingoBoingo: I'm coming to terms with my car running out of value to make it worth boating across the Darien
BingoBoingo: And then checking in baggage from Neuvo Laredo to hardware BA
BingoBoingo is still rather sad there is interesting harware right down US 50 from himself, but it is too heavy to acquire.
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BingoBoingo: lol, is anything wrong with ksh? >> http://www.csoonline.com/article/2688008/security-leadership/three-steps-you-need-to-take-to-avoid-overreacting-to-the-bash-bug.html
BingoBoingo: Then there's the revenue sharing and salary cap shit in the NFL that makes me nauseous... Why should good teams have to disband their core in the same of salary caps? I have no problem with the idea that a Jeter and A Rod-less Yankee team will have Giancarlo Stanton, but salary caps a sa parity tool are even stupider in the NFL where they actually exist as most players careers end within two seasons.
BingoBoingo: Creeping up on the NFL (and College Football) is the specter of people prefering to watch games at the bar or at home. Combatting this so far has been teams declaring any Stadium older than 15 years obsolete, but all it takes is one city calling the bluff and chasing their team to Los Angeles for the pressure the NFL exerts to deflate.
BingoBoingo: Baseball went through this in the 1960's though when neither Marris nor Mantle could be the next Babe Ruth.
BingoBoingo: As great as Lebron is, his legacy is going to be compared to the Mega Stars from before the Internet gave such categories serious competition.
BingoBoingo: Baseball fucked itself pretty hard by discouraging anyone from liking good players with the PED witchhunt, but... At least it never had a Space Jam.
BingoBoingo: The NBA of course is its own different animal in that it is still recovering from Space Jam, Kazam, and everything but basketball being the center of attention
RagnarDanneskjol: right - baseball is the exception
BingoBoingo: Well, I like baseball because the great players have the space to make careers. Same for hockey. In the NFL though, I tend to root for players over teams and hope they survive long enough to make it over the sub-two year average career.
BingoBoingo: But that's a hazard of the College game. Good players lose eligibility. Whereas in the NFL you can pick a position play to within 5lbs and 0.5 inches of the coach's ideal
BingoBoingo: You can have a great quarterback, but it doesn't mean much if they have to burn time getting the ball in the first place instead of getting it downfield.
BingoBoingo: On the other side Mizzou's quarterback displayed spectacluar gymnastic feats of athleticism... merely getting the ball on completely fucked snaps.
BingoBoingo: The dude was on supplemental oxygen though before he came back. Why he didn't fucking cross the street to the hospital(s) you could see on camera I will never know.
BingoBoingo: Dude sat out the entire second quarter on an oxygen machine, game back the second half. Made game winning plays. Definitely making it into the Nfl if he doesn't get himself killed first.
BingoBoingo: But I will admit last week's Mizzou loss, they might as well have fucking lost to Mckendree, another Alma Mater which only joined the NCAA 2 years ago, in D 2
BingoBoingo: For the Most part. On the downside other divisions can produce some ridiculously dominant teams due to the lack of serious threats
BingoBoingo: Curse of one of the ALma Maters.
BingoBoingo: decimation: What drives excitement in the college game is how disproportionately good the great players are in relation to replacement level. Hence Johnny Manziel singlehandedly making A&M competitive or Tevin Coleman avoiding a coma leading the Indiana upset over Missouri lastweekend almost on his own (Missouri's shitty center helped by not knowing how to snap the fucking ball to the quarterback) http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not really considering Illinois managed to stay in. Hilarious will be that in the next 5 years there is going to be a game where Maryland fucks the ever loving shit out of Ohio State.
BingoBoingo: Business makes other business its unpaid support line
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Duffer1: yep, but without the traditional propogation of a signal through wire
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BingoBoingo: Airplane is solaris box and scada controllers, Airplane is Unix box with wings http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2012/apr/19/cory-doctorow-regulation-computation-video time roughly 15:15
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