kanzure: unfortunately it was the panelists that were learning about bitcoin
kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
BingoBoingo: Maybe message confusion is what they want?
kanzure: and then you have message confusion....
BingoBoingo: Live streaming widget was tiny, usually had powerpoint slides instead of people. Feared fullscreening the widget lest the text be lost.
TheNewDeal: could you include pictures of the cftc representatives, preferably with a penned-in moustache?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: This livestream actually had a decent if lagging caption stream. Figure this is a race.
assbot: CFTC met on /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash today, here's the full transcript http://t.co/Y2U8Yqudk6 /hashtag/CFTC?src=hash
TheNewDeal: jurov there's no reason one should ever want to understand a non-deliverable bitcoin future
thickasthieves: but they really should just say
kakobrekla: tera? they contacted me in may.
kakobrekla: "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset (that isnt really there)."
kakobrekla: its comparing other swaps
kakobrekla: yeah read the whole sentence
thickasthieves: kako "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset."
kakobrekla: >>>: To questions. The first is how do you know there is no fraud or backdoors built in to the initial code? And then the second is if all the goodie is coming from the block chain, why not just put dollars on the block chain?
TomServo: I wish we could've seen the face she made when Vito exclaimed "I KNOW!".
kakobrekla: The exchanges that do not provide us this cannot be on this. We are not ascribing to anonymous trades that are happening out in the market place.
kakobrekla: Every one of those exchanges in that agreement has agreed to supply as the details and they all do AML, KYC on all of the people trading on each of the exchanges.
kakobrekla: thickasthieves where are the btcs?
kakobrekla: (just another scam fyi)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` hey instead of refund can I just get another poster :( the USPS can't find it
thestringpuller: i didn't get to see the bitcoin poster yet
kakobrekla: > it can be physically delivered just for the same reason the commission recognizes physical delivery in a sense of other intangible commodities such as pollution rights
devthedev: Minimalism is the key
cazalla: yes, everyone loves how the design looks
cazalla: what's up devthedev
cazalla: thickasthieves, they have a good life up until that point :P
thickasthieves: they arent worth anything
thickasthieves: how does tera sell these swaps?
thickasthieves: like in bitfinex it's a swap market, users provide swap offers themselves
kakobrekla: It is a bilateral, non-cleared trade that has credit support Annex, collateral delivery by either side to support the trade.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 12 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
kakobrekla: without the actual bitcoin.
thickasthieves: it means, according to provided guidelines, the exchange created a swap instrument for people to trade, hedge, and collateralize with, settled in dollars only, it's like a way to borrow bitcoin
cazalla: mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too <<< i can't sit and watch that guy for 2 hours
jurov: i barely understand that..but all the adjectives
kakobrekla: TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading.
kakobrekla: id guess they took a break for smoke and pancakes
TheNewDeal: somehow they don't know how to link to a video
TheNewDeal: does anyone have a link to the cftc live cast
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: It's a defense filing. The point is to be clear. A prosecution filing though has the other perogative, to bury with text that might have meaning.
thickasthieves: i mean if youre already on the horse, ride it high
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: The textblock is as the pdf presented it. It is a legal format problem.
mike_c: thickasthieves: the pdf is no better
mircea_popescu: okies, logs done, discussions had, havoc caused, work reviewed (btw the eulora art is looking wunderbar) and so i guess ima bbl.
mike_c: hehe, i scooped the lawyers yesterday: "It apparently confuses php with MySQL"
thickasthieves: this Ulbricht response update is the first juicy thing I saw on qntra first, grats!
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mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly <<< AAAANNDD they don't even quote trilema. not like it's been a secret over here, for the past half year or so.
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TheNewDeal: i remember there was ~280 a few weeks ago?
thickasthieves: it's the same owner as CBTC
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: yea HIF is the Havelock itself
ceelo: how do you get 'in the wot'
kakobrekla: ceelo blue until he gets in the wot
thestringpuller: that would be dope if Ceelo came into the channel.
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kakobrekla: what was the last assbot quit msg
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal permanently elevated plateau yo.
mircea_popescu: both truth and piety are exactly the creation, both necessary and unavoidalbe, of wrath and strife. just like equilibrium in mammals is the result of muscular activity, not of silent contemplation.
TheNewDeal: love how the s&p500 is just propped up on stilts.
mircea_popescu: "If reason and charity cannot promote the cause of truth and piety, I cannot see how it should ever flourish under the withering fires of wrath and strife". it's incredible just how much damage the 18th and 19th century heretic clubs did to the us.
mircea_popescu: some blocks are harder than others!
TheNewDeal: if it takes an hour to find each of these next blocks...
RagnarDanneskjol: no - I got confused - there is sweet briar, mary-baldwin, and a few others. I spent some time @ sarah-lawrence later on. has been quite a few years
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol a that's not so bad then
thickasthieves: wait then below it says live webcast
RagnarDanneskjol: I went to an all guys college for one year - there was so much ass around you wouldnt believe it. Hampden-Sydney college is surrounded by a number of all girls schools like sarah-lawrence and other schools attended by spoiled rich pure-bred top-shelf poon
thickasthieves: i just realized the cftc vid is 48h delayed :/
thestringpuller: i think there are all male universities still around...but I don't know who would want to attend
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nope, they still exist.
mircea_popescu: they still have those ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i went in there expecting chick not chicken. #scam
thickasthieves: frm the random dept
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: devthedev: If you want to write for it submit a writing sample to cazalla
mircea_popescu: how goes devthedev ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for today and as long as it lasts, antonoshithead is bitcoin's chief nigger. he's trying to parlay the nude use of words into as much free fried chicken as possible.
mircea_popescu: ikr? he loves the X word he's heard.
mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEEs assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been under-banked. I must note, however, there
assbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: not that the thing is peculiar to him in any sense, it's the stock in trade of any random derp aspiring to a position of political preminence without any particular skill or ability. like so : http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
mircea_popescu: and that he's done the research for them, and all is well, a lie easy for the derps in question to swallow seeing just how lazy and stupid they are.
mircea_popescu: he kept representing to the sort of idiots that follow him on reddit that it's a great thing.
nubbins`: around seven was right. ten for a full-cook would be right on the money
mircea_popescu: then ten's maybe too much
nubbins`: ah, pulled it out at just the right moment
mircea_popescu: maybe they start a new innovative coinplatfromscamderpage thing
mircea_popescu: so he's exactly in his proper element then.
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mircea_popescu: and from what i recall reading about canadian politicians, it's n o wonder they invited him
mircea_popescu: well apparently the twerp has no such issue
nubbins`: imagine the guilt at enabling
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ? <<< yes. people charitably gave to neobee so that antonoscampulous could bum ciggs off people and derp before the candian senate.
mircea_popescu: princessnell they were discussing some testimony or w/e
nubbins`: difference is, banks try to make you believe the opposite
nubbins`: just wait til the lady from NB starts asking questions.
thickasthieves: well in the context he is preaching glories of blockchain tech
nubbins`: i believe he meant the cost of creating it
thickasthieves: "a 10-year-old can create a (crypto)currency and that currency can be as secure as the currency created by a monarch" anotnop
thickasthieves: "i think the most common use for bitcoin is charitable giving, donations, and tipping" antonop
nubbins`: what does the verb "blow" mean in this context?
nubbins`: i don't think the phrase "blew my mind" has a literal meaning
princessnell: oh the andreas vid
princessnell: can't find the live cast
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work. << Why Vlogger's can't be relevant
bounce: fobbing off is the thing to do
mircea_popescu: which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work.
nubbins`: hmm, because i'm not in the mood to do favors?
mircea_popescu: that sounds like the us communist party
nubbins`: wait fuck that's the usa one
nubbins`: they carry that in argentina, right?
mircea_popescu: these video heretic will all go to hell.
mircea_popescu: the web is for text.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's more of a radio thing than a tv thing, throw it on in the bg ;p
mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too
mircea_popescu: o hey there princess.
Apocalyptic: "to what extent the CFTC may perceive to have juridiction on the subject." // the "perceive" word is of prime importance I suspect
thickasthieves: theyre getting raped
thickasthieves: so many people have been shorting on the way up, shorts at alltime high on bitfinex
nubbins`: no room in the studio for one
thickasthieves: well i have two big monitors with charts on them at least
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: "lost" in this context, of course, means "paid themselves"
nubbins`: not bad financials overall though, they only lost 40btc
nubbins`: they so obviously just took Q2 report and changed the details: page 3 accidentally says "2nd quarter" instead of 3rd
kakobrekla: what was the last assbot quit meassage
mats_cd03: dinosaurs, all of them
thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly
thickasthieves: the paradigm is too separate
thickasthieves: well the oh shut up now is basically ALL of what we say
fluffypony: do you tell everyone about how amazing it is being vegan and about how there's such a variety you can eat and then spend 45 minutes telling them about your vegan xxxxxx recipe?
thickasthieves: yeah we dont wear leather, etc
thickasthieves: yes the wife is a factor, but it was my idea to go vegan
fluffypony: even the ones that aren't used for meat
fluffypony: also because of the way animals are treated
thickasthieves: well, if you really wanna know, it's somewhat spiritual i guess, i dont like the idea of caging and torturing animals
mats_cd03: it shatters the mind how protein dense gluten is
thickasthieves: lol at the included pic and caption
fluffypony: "Media must follow certain ethical standards when reporting the news and at CCN, our team follows the standards to the letter."
assbot: BITCOINTALK STAFF QUIETLY BANS PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THEM
cazalla: and with that, qntra australia signs off for the night
cazalla: vanilla almonds are the best
BingoBoingo: Almonds though are the worst, taste like cyanide.
kakobrekla: any of the two is better than chestnuts
RagnarDanneskjol: [The Bitcoin Backbone Protocol: Analysis and Applications]
kakobrekla: and ~50 in the pipe
thickasthieves: i bet it says they should buy paypal when it spins off
mircea_popescu: lol this scamming the noobie carnie sounds so mark twain like.
xanthyos: are they a bank?
pakaka: that site is sort of irrelvent with what I have heard about the WOT though.
pakaka: these millineal socialist commies into bitcoin are dangerous
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Suppose you want to support strings and have a string comparison instruction. You might think that "it's done in the hardware", so it's blindingly fast. It isn't, because the hardware still has to access memory, one word per cycle. A superscalar/VLIW assembly loop would run just as quickly; the only thing you'd save is a few bytes for instruction encoding. On the other hand, your string comparison thingi
mircea_popescu: have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
mircea_popescu: er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
mircea_popescu: "The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people with the drive... to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages << they would if they could.
xanthyos: lol danielpbarron 97 minute mark with the hypothetical situation of you catching elton john buttfucking in your hotel
assbot: Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/ << "September 30, around 5am" << wait - was that Argentina time? Because they are UTC-3, which makes it almost 2300 29 Sep local time?
decimation: in contrast to the French revolution, the American revolution seems much more... conservative? The result of the American revolution largely enshrining the existing governing arrangement in place (while sowing the seeds of future destruction with lofty idiotic language that no one at the time took seriously)
decimation: the reddit of 1789, france was the Estates-General and the derpage associated with the third estate
asciilifeform: that actually made the 1972 picture look good.
decimation: I hadn't made the connection between french elite absurdity and Nietzsche - an interesting connection
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> i don't really like the mr trololo treatment << this was re the seuss link
xanthyos: http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2014-Oct-08_19_04_08.mp3 << danielpbarron bit starts 77 min in, gonna listen to this because i was too busy pissing on my mom's driveway when the show was live
mircea_popescu: people with the drive to push the absurd quite very far, and with the means to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages.
mircea_popescu: and so the superman and the existentialist are both models of the late french aristocracy
mircea_popescu: well this is a very difficult question. but a good part of it is that nietzsche and sartre are not innovators except formally. fundamentally, they were retracing preexisting ideas,
decimation: in the name of égalité?
mircea_popescu: i don't really like the mr trololo treatment
mircea_popescu: not in the name of progress, no.
decimation: many of whom were actively trying to undermine the other nobility in the name of 'progress' etc
decimation: the french revolution wasn't only caused by the socialists, it was also caused by the pathetic derpiness of the 'nobility' and monarchy
assbot: The Lorax -- Dr. Seuss (1972 original version) - YouTube
decimation: my understanding is that early analog cell phones weren't even trunked, they had a dedicated channel while connected
asciilifeform: even soviets had them.
mircea_popescu: i mean what, hollywood used it to establish just how speshul redford is to make sharon stone fucking him for money acceptable to the housewife in attendance
mircea_popescu: decimation you know who was talking on the cellphone back in those old days ?
asciilifeform: this is the basic phenomenon here.
decimation: 'everyone' can 'use' a 'computer' and 'the internet'
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, and somehow we aren't supposed to notice the atrocious quality.
asciilifeform: in terms of crapolade accumulation in the conceptual stack
asciilifeform: decimation: browser is 'judas goat' that leads folks into places they would never voluntarily go
decimation: asciilifeform: somehow the browser has morphed into the 'new os' - and it's even shittier than wintel
mircea_popescu: the reveal, late oct/early november
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because modern111!1111 browser won't build there << what is the "modern browser" for ?
mike_c: look at that, i'm behind the times.
mike_c: i've actually been impressed that they've managed to keep from cursing while talking about VC's and such
mike_c: there is a need for good writers that know bitcoin.
thestringpuller: probably not a need since the intended audience isn't retards
mike_c: probably can't curse as much as on the forums
mike_c: <+cazalla> catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks << luckily that's about the 50th most important thing..
asciilifeform: because won't fit in 64M of the machine in question
asciilifeform: because modern111!1111 browser won't build there
asciilifeform: incidentally, the postel crap reminds me of the fountain through which the bulk of modern pc retardation flows forth: the web browser. as in, literally the only reason one cannot use os setup circa, e.g., 2001 (with a patch here & there)
mircea_popescu: myeah. funny how obvious the obvious is once the correspondingly larger sex-and-money processor is put to the task.
asciilifeform: it's a little gibblet of dreary nonsense parroted in defense of the the kind of crap described earlier.
asciilifeform: other times - no
mircea_popescu: and the supposed benefits are not really that readily apparent. what's the benefit to beint tolerant supposed to be, again ?
asciilifeform: forced mistake, in many cases - sometimes, you have the luxury of setting fire to the whole shebang and walking away
mircea_popescu: apparently tolerance as in the libtard notion has a lot of drawbacks
asciilifeform: when you turn up one of these pieces of junk, on your desk, or worse yet, chained to it (yes, you bought one set - can buy another, what'll the crapolade be in the next gadget?) - it happens because other folks - lived with it.
mircea_popescu: as much as we'd all like to see little machine guns come out of the chassis and blow things away
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my turd, if it had a point, mainly had the point of - the grave harm of 'tolerance.'
mircea_popescu: the difficulty later will be worse.
mircea_popescu: and sure, the coindesks of the world will derp about how "xe has difficulty with bitcoin". so ?
mircea_popescu: build a machine from the ground up, that works like that.
mircea_popescu: whoever makes it, either makes it to spec or it won't work. period and enforced.
asciilifeform: somehow, the world arrived at a handful of precisely defined thread types that are interoperable.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is, only accept stuff that does x y z
asciilifeform: i recently had the occasion to read a treatise on machine screws.
mircea_popescu: the false dichotomy here being that either you apple (onlt accept stuff we made) or else foss (accept any turd)
asciilifeform: yes. but it didn't happen in empty space, but from the 'tower of babel' situation
mircea_popescu: there's nothing insane about refusing to support lunacy