mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just auto-filling "standardizes [away the need to do] unnecessary work"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i meant, re the mp-wp
asciilifeform: ( replaced the google liquishit with a simple and humane kindergarden arithmetic thing )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I only skimmed the last chapter so Peh's output makes at least some sense but I still need to work my way through all the previous chapters; and time is limited as always...
asciilifeform: nuffin, mircea_popescu was awake to pull the breaker
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and what's the objection ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
asciilifeform: d the online payment processor Stripe each pledged to donate $50,000 a year to Koch’s project.' etc
asciilifeform: good % of the daily sisyphean boulder work of programmer, is to tear up these past attempts at 'smart' so that work can happen
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:29 asciilifeform: phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
asciilifeform: lol, re 'perfect code', oughta mention the philosophical complement to genesis : eschaton ( diff proj against null ...! )
mircea_popescu: the ~only wrong thing is if there ends up added a switch, to turn machinery from "normal" to "genesis mode". that, no.
mircea_popescu: but then again nothing substantially wrong with "genesis is when you vdiff against /dev/null".
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:19 phf: vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874718 << philosophically i don't see the problem with having an empty dir around in project trees, as a permanent reminder of what perfect code looks like.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the least of the problems. The imaginary trains appear to just run portions of bus routes with little coverage of interesting city and long runs into the favelas
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874601 it occurs to me i should probably also share the echo "FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42Fv9985AFAB953C4/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7/gns" | sed 's%.\{1\}%&<wbr />%g' that produced it.
asciilifeform: there's still iirc a bug in auto-reconnector, but is upstream in the http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels-corrected , i'ma attend to it laters ( unless trinque & ben_vulpes know a ready pill )
BingoBoingo: In still other lulz, MS paint map made by alleged local socialist kid of imaginary train system they would like to see in the city, Maybe USG is going to try to get their money back selling one? https://i.redd.it/f7xva1zoqd021.png
asciilifeform: ( bonus is that the ~output printing~ itself is constant-time, ha )
asciilifeform: pehbot is simply a wrapper around compiled ffa_calc , currently it gives closest possible picture to what you get if you ran the proggy itself locally.
asciilifeform: in cmdline work , the leading 0s actually make life easier ( can see if leading bit is in the expected place , etc )
asciilifeform: ( observe that input mechanism dun require the leading 0s )
asciilifeform: could, in principle ( could even discard leading 0s ) but i wrote the orig logic mircea_popescu-style, 'do not want spurious whitespaces'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:07 phf: unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: UY doesn't really have natgas or any other hydrocarbons of its own. It has cows. The supermarket turkeys though were US imports though.
mircea_popescu: if and when it ~actually~ becomes annoying, then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't even see the problem with this being here. let people learn how to code, what.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 04:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz nobody likely gives a shit about : romania apparently has some natgas in its chunk of black sea shelf ; usg wants to steal this ; ro senate wrote a law for them ; ro commons rejected it, because this one guy (liviu dragnea) said so. his majority collapsed because "hungarian" miniparty changed its mind overnight (ie, transparently got bought out) and well... guess who is "accused" of supposedly having FORCED
mircea_popescu: in those cases there's also "joint-ventures", http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861717
mircea_popescu: 70-80% of what usg embassy even does, is try to get the dubaloos back in large coups.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way they try to close the circle is by aspirating large chunks later, "sells them military technology".
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's notion was that usg, unlike yachtsman, somehow mooches the cost from the orcs )
mircea_popescu: and i mean, what are you going to do ? not pump the tank ?
BingoBoingo during the apartment search breifly considered a dock at the Yacht Club's Puertito Buceo. Floating house stray thought did not survive 5 minutes.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, you can reconstruct it mentally in any case, yes ? "there's a fee for the dock spot" "aha" "and would you like your tanks pumped ?" "sure" "this is for fuel this is for black water this is for fresh water do you want air" "go on" "oh there's also mandatory veterinarian inspection" "i got no anima..ugh. i only got bipedal pets on board" "can be waived for fee"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: guilty. i haven't flown space station, either.
mircea_popescu: suddenly there's this mile-and-a-half ticker tape.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you lack this fundamental experience, of either taking a boat/yacht/whatever, or a private plane, to port. it's this very specific thing, like the post-party restaurant bill or taking a harem grocery shopping.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 201.212.242.133 - - [26/Nov/2018:12:42:53 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1542 "http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/61.0.3163.79 Safari/537.36 Maxthon/5.2.5.4000" "-" << argentina
BingoBoingo: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aerolineas-se-reunieron-con-ancap-preocupadas-por-costo-del-combustible--2018112018470 Maybe I misremembered the recency
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the margin it appears they are facing is more than a trickle of rectal blood given the airline shitfit over prices. Will try to dig up that article
BingoBoingo: Locals who don't glaze over at the sight of dollars, because they track dollar prices here like folks back home track gas prices
mircea_popescu: i bet you they sold machine sandwiches they had sitting around since i was last there.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated. << The price of aviation fuels went up last week quite a bit as well to the protest of some airlines
mircea_popescu: hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated.
mircea_popescu: all those people, get off, pay the local whores. 0 clue as to anything.
asciilifeform: then makes sense
asciilifeform: see, i had picture that it's like potus visit to flyover states -- massive ding for local coffer (they offload as much of the cost as they can on podunk)
asciilifeform: they get paid?!
BingoBoingo: Anyways, a lot more military vessels passing by the beach this past week
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno, i dun have a good model of the miami-seekers, apparently
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The Blanco Party protested
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why wouldn't they, lol.
mircea_popescu: as a side point, i wonder how many of these cardboard imbeciles, "i'm not fucking my daughter because there's no space in the kitchen robot atop my shoulders for such out there things, not because i totally could but don't really feel like it" understand they strictly can't be anyone's father, or anything else. just items, like the table, "approving" or "disapproving" of entirely nothing in particular.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! so they did kowtow.
BingoBoingo: Update on the G20 invasion: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/lluvia-de-solicitudes-para-sobrevolar-el-territorio-uruguayo--20181125144049
mircea_popescu: oh, they certainly will. though looks more like 40 years of milking old people's idiocies, "old man's otherwise dead eyes seem to light up when i mention i'm locked up in google cell block, as opposed to ordinary cell block. nfi why, but in truth i never saw that idiot genuinely happy, so what can you do."
asciilifeform: hey if ibm can live for 40 yrs on milking real estate , wainot also these
mircea_popescu: cuz how do you "fight terrorists" aka people wielding uncomfortable realities, other than by hiding in ever deeper layers of imaginary nonsense.
mircea_popescu: essentially driven the "abstraction" cycle of that abomination, resulting in today's situation, where google is practically dead on the black side of the ledger, 0 utility for anyone, and extremely expensive on the red side.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 16:07 asciilifeform: no word so far on what the brits will do when they discover that the 'sticker prices' for the golden toilets are a work of '2 old jews and their painting' fiction , and ~worthless on market
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 12:28 spyked: notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
asciilifeform: phf: i fughet, is there a hopper in http://btcbase.org/patches that i can dump patches into, so i dun have to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874673 ? or is that still in the worx
asciilifeform: imho a,b oughta be the standard, yes
phf: asciilifeform: i don't think so either, but it's a question of what's the format of vpatch. if the a/foo b/foo is mandatory or if you e.g. can have v2/foo v3/foo. right now the answer is "don't do it that way", which is fine, but it's cheap to talk through that stuff.
asciilifeform: definitely is the absolutely smallest part of a vtronic project
asciilifeform: phf: i really dun see what's wrong with the old form
phf: and then vdiff v1 will give you a/foo b/foo genesis
phf: asciilifeform: right, that's possibly something to make mandatory then, that is a diff of any two directories produces a a/... b/... patch. so that you can have v1/foo v2/foo v3/foo and vdiff v2 v3 produces a/foo b/foo
asciilifeform: helps in keeping the thing straight, if they werent reqd i'd be stuck making'em anyway
asciilifeform: phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
phf: err vdiff foo where inside foo you have multiple folders. it's tied to whether or not those parent folders a and b should be implicit, and if vdiff should do the right thing in that case, or keep it all explicit and require the creation of a and b top level folders always.
phf: vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
phf: as far as the other idea re empty dir for genesis, i'll play with it. there are some non-v legacy corner cases right now that i should fix anyway when it comes to different kinds of diffed arguments
spyked: also nb, drakma has no equivalent for curl's --max-time, so I had to cook something up the first time I noticed this issue. sometimes connections don't fail, but they clog the pipeline by keeping the client waiting.
spyked: hey diana_coman, ty for testing! yeah, it's a bit slow because it grabs the feeds serially, I'll have to fix that.
diana_coman: it apparently took feedbot 2 minutes though to spill a first bunch of the comments after the subscribe, lol
diana_coman: wb spyked ; feedbot looks good - I sent it pm to subscribe to http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/feed/ and it apparently got it (bonus, it correctly said I was already subscribed when I poked it the 2nd time with the same thing)
spyked: of course, this will disable notification via pm as well, so if there's any way you want me to handle this (e.g. mass-adding existing pm notifications) lemme know
spyked: notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
spyked: and there's a long backlog of lines that I need to answer, will come with schedule for those and other work this week.
spyked: anyway, this is no excuse for my long silence, so: I'ma bring rss bot here in the following hour (it's been under heavy testing for the last month, so it should at least be a decent replacement for current deedbot rss functionality) and keccak+manifest ircbot tree should be out by the 1st of december
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-21#1874133 <-- things were all nice and sweet back when http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07f-bucharest-ii.html#selection-499.71-499.250 and I got the wheels greased for ircbot regrind and rss bot (got both sitting here, the former's ready to be published), when my old man started getting intermittent fevers coupled with an excruciating pain in the leg muscles. we ended up burning our time in hospitals and still no clue wtf'
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 1 week, 5 days, 16 hours, and 20 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> to continue the thing that never ends : http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/#footnote_0_34776 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802173
spyked back from the bottomless tar pits of meat, preparing status report
mircea_popescu: wait, i thought the guy died
asciilifeform: cold dead hands, motherfuckers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh i suspect they'll let ~him~ out ~after~ they let asciilifeform ( who aint even in yet ) out.
BingoBoingo: Also, to put on the recruiting calendar... July 2020 Hans Reiser first becomes eligible for parole
trinque: asciilifeform: cuntoo bootstrapper produces the same genesis.vpatch repeatedly, runs without network (so we can be certain all deps have been captured). Running once more with ^ and that oughta be that. I'll post the poast tomorrow so it doesn't sound like the tired pile of notebook scribblings it currently does.
trinque: seems kinda screwy that vdiff exits nonzero when the parameters differ. I know this is classical diff behavior, but eh. I'd expect that to mean "wasn't able to perform diff"
BingoBoingo: In anthro lulz an Elliot who decided to cope by marrying Jesus got killed by natives on an Island nominally part of India and nobody has any idea how to collect the cadaver
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: imho the empty dir approach needs no sugar
trinque: is there some cleaner way of having vdiff produce a genesis than having an empty directory laying around with which to vdiff?
BingoBoingo: Aite, I'll make sure to apply the Johnson oil liberally
asciilifeform: take note of the examples i left behind.
asciilifeform: ( dun particularly matter what, so long as you recognize the 'tit shoot' laters )
asciilifeform: ( dun have to send me the result, just sit on it )
asciilifeform: a good % of these are underexposed / invisible
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: yep, look at my recent vps lulz re: "oh hypervisor was misconfigured". thin hosting on real hardware is a market, whether derps know it yet or not. tell 'em.
BingoBoingo: Another thing that seems to have been tabled which I am finding more interesting after my blog disaster is an adult Rockchip plant. Especially now that MP-WP appears to be less of a threat to exhaust RAM after tweaking 1 MYSQL knob.
trinque: BingoBoingo: could also incentivize them to do their own selling, "get a month free when you invite" kind of thing
trinque: I'll say for the record that while I've been quite the loud activist customer, it's precisely because I'm thrilled with the level of service, and want to see the thing thrive.
trinque: could very well be that plenty hadn't had - you know - the thought, man.
trinque: BingoBoingo: might I suggest contacting some of the n00bs directly, here, and asking them what would make them a pizarro customer
mircea_popescu: basically, conditions that in maramures produced a wood civilisation are producing a metal civilisation among these gypsies -- salt-of-the-earth man's ideal toy is soldering kit.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
mircea_popescu: moreover, earthquakes are frequent, the terrain very uneven and the need for insulation nil -- heavy masonry building like my culture favours ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-10#824588 ) provides great insulation and significant earthquake vulnerability but requires flat terrain -- a terrible fit for the actual situation.
mircea_popescu: there's some merits to this, considering square foot of floor space is cheaper here than anywhere else, and by a degree of magnitude (unless, of course, one buys into the miami idiocy -- then it's a good 50% more expensive).
mircea_popescu: also, there are no cities here. the local's notion of building strictly meets barn criteria, they throw up some sheet metal atop soldered metal pikes and call it done. the only city is san jose, and it's a sorry sort of akron, at that.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i watched the lava flow at night from my bed. living on the side of an active volcano doesn't strike me as "humanity's best moment" material.
mircea_popescu: i don't know that i'd move there ; but it's certainly a pleasant two day trip.
billymg: with the goal of being able to arrange my life in such a way that provides more time for actual work
billymg: at this point i think it's either that or texas for me (as a temp solution)
billymg: unrelated, mircea_popescu: what do you think of the lake arenal region? i visited once and was playing around with the idea of even moving there
billymg: which is quite disappointing for me, i was excited at the prospect of a line of my css making it into trilema! :D
billymg: but i see your point, if it doesn't render properly on a republican box then it doesn't render properly
billymg: it was rendering fine on archive.is for me too, since they just snapshot the html/css (and i inspected to see that it had the styled `<span>` in there)
billymg: fwiw the word-break thing on trilema was rendering like this for me http://billymg.com/downloads/word-break.png
mircea_popescu: ima put this in the log, as a testament to just how indescribably retarded html is :
mircea_popescu: again, the desire behaviour is 5-5-6-FRAGMENT OF 3 then on next line remainder of 14. NOT!!!! 5-5-6-whitespace then on next line WHOLE 17.
billymg: hey, looks good on my end (in that post) -- previously the `<br>` was breaking it a bit too soon and leaving some whitespace at the end of the line, before printing the remainder on the next line
mircea_popescu: let's try this then!
billymg: it still requires manual markup but it has the benefit of breaking at the right character automatically, rather than finding the character manually and placing a `<br>` after it
billymg: so `word-break: break-all` works in that any string will be cut when it hits the end of the line, but this has the unintended consequence of breaking spoken language words as well
mircea_popescu: looky : if you have words of lengths 5, 5, 6, 17 and a line of 20 characters, the expected behavious is A) 5 5 6 3 / 14. NOT b) 5 5 6 / 17.
mircea_popescu: what that does is that it fucks the previous line, fills a whole subsequent line with a chunk of the long word, and puts the remainder on a third line
mircea_popescu: why the fuck this isn't default is anyone's guess, there's ~no other way anyone wants text to ever go anyway. but w/e.
mircea_popescu: billymg yes, i put it in. now tell me the html that makes it look like that without hard linebreak.
billymg: but you're looking for a css property that will break a single string when it reaches the end of the line?
mircea_popescu: (obviously the \n fixes nothiong, because every rendering engine will fuck it up differently. which is why it'd be nice to have code, and which is why html was even allowed to exist in the first place -- the promise, meanwhile scandalously defaulted on, that it will resolve exactly such things, cheaply and forever)
billymg: in that example it looks like wordpress spit out a <br> to manually break the line
mircea_popescu: what code delivers the result of that \n between 3 and 9 ?
billymg: ah, so would need typesetter that could "see the mistakes"
asciilifeform: knuth was writing a large mathematical encyclopaedia, his famous 'aop' ; and did not like having to wait for typesetter to 'make it so', esp. given as it always took N tries and introduced new mistake erry time ( mistake that typesetter could not even see , not being knuth )
asciilifeform: billymg: do you know the story of why knuth wrote 'tex' ?
mircea_popescu: and the annoying part of syntax wrangling is that now it overwrote my mental space, i don't even fucking recall wtf i was saying.
asciilifeform: ( and i found that in order for the result to actually display correctly, gotta throw out ~all post-2000 htmlisms, css, etc and go to 1990s-era tags )
asciilifeform: e.g. the karatsuba 'sandwiches' took coupla ~days~ of this.
mircea_popescu: and it takes like 8 fucking tries to get the right length by trial and error, too. fuck my life, why am i living in the chair of an idiot.
mircea_popescu: fucking html, ALWAYS this is my experience with it : sink however long you want into making it do what you want it to, then write off that effort and hand-coerce things instead.
mircea_popescu: previous line is fuckspaced because obviously, it didn't break an early fragment of the long line to fix the typographic needs of the line coming before it.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiocy this html. so i have a long line with no whitespace, and i want it to break CORRECTLY. like an idiot i spent 15 minutes digging up "word-wrap: break-word" magic syntax, and then another 10 for "how to make css go inline into html". as a result, INSTEAD of breaking like i want it to break, typographically, it breaks moronically (stuffs a whole line of the long line into the paragaph, then breaks it off, but the
asciilifeform: aah apparently asciilifeform stuck in '90s, current.usg dun bother with hf-df anymoar , nao 'click on link and share yer gps coords'
asciilifeform: lol loox like i gotta actually read the linked lulpiece
mircea_popescu: is it THAT FUCKING HARD to just have a relay ? i mean... not like i use the fetlife app for fucks sake. because why would i.
diana_coman: possibly the same "how can you live without a smartphone???"
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind though, these fucktarded morons, they'd actually use usg.dumbphones ? in fucking syria ? PERSONALLY ?!
mircea_popescu: in other news, working on some gds specwork, draft later today.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 06:32 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fucking hysterical if entirely inconsequential nonsense, vice delivers : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nz7w9b/hacker-outs-himself-as-fbi-snitch-and-claims-he-helped-track-down-isis
a111: Logged on 2018-11-24 23:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma put your patch into the 'official' sequence, rather than simply sewing it into ch13, i'd like to explicitly honour the work.
mircea_popescu: and to round up the keks, https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/isis-terrorist-junaid-hussain-killed-10069425 ; moneyshot : "Birmingham Isis terrorist Junaid Hussain effectively signed his own death warrant after clicking on a poison internet link pinpointing his location, it was reported. The Times claimed the link was sent to the 21-year-old on the Surespot phone messager app by an undercover agent after
mircea_popescu: kinda funny, all this obama-era debris. ridiculous libertard cocksuckers and their dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: oh, and in other lulz http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Extremism_Project
mircea_popescu: though i suppose heifer is the technically accurate term.
mircea_popescu: exactly equal to any other dumb cow.
venatiodecorus: so if that was her feeling on the matter i'd trust her opinion
mircea_popescu: ""It seems believable to me. I dunno why someone would make this up," Cochran told Motherboard in an encrypted chat. " because totally, "attention whoring, just like everyone else in the attention whoring '''industry'''" is not self-evident and arch-sufficient and explanation. and don't forget kids -- ENCRYPTED CHATS!!!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fucking hysterical if entirely inconsequential nonsense, vice delivers : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nz7w9b/hacker-outs-himself-as-fbi-snitch-and-claims-he-helped-track-down-isis
venatiodecorus: the channel ban expired on 2600net and i grabbed the channel just cuz i thought it was funny
venatiodecorus: there is a guy on twitter @lulzsecops who claims to have been around them back then or something like that
venatiodecorus: planeshift is a custom engine coupleod with the crystal space 3d rendering engine
mircea_popescu: ah. notrly. but yo ucan look through the client, it's published.
venatiodecorus: the game engine looks like torque
venatiodecorus: the original version?
mircea_popescu: venatiodecorus who might you be then ?
asciilifeform: somewhat surprisingly, diana_coman's 5-op (vs old 6-op) subtraction carry, has 0 measurable effect on the benchmarks in 12b . i still find it aesthetically pleasing tho and would like to use it, rather than old.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. ch13 will sit on top of diana_coman's patch, and the latter will be mirrored. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma put your patch into the 'official' sequence, rather than simply sewing it into ch13, i'd like to explicitly honour the work.
amberglint: there's also a presentation about it, haven't found the transcript: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTOkgDZli_o
asciilifeform: not even outrageously expensive ic, they're ~30bux ea.
asciilifeform: datashit also reveals a 'Dedicated DDR2/DDR3 and LPDDR2/LPDDR3 memory support with DQS logic, up to 800 Mb/s data-rate', wonder if this is supported in the ice40 chain yet
amberglint: "The documentation is done through a "black box" process were Diamond is asked to generate a large number of designs which then used to create bitstreams."
amberglint: asciilifeform: I think that's for the reverse-engineering process only?
asciilifeform: it demands the vendor's turd to run ?! how is this 'reverse-engineered toolchain' then ?!
asciilifeform: amberglint: i cannot immediately say that it won't fit! at least from first principle. ( yosys's router is pretty rough tho, vs the commercial ones of old, so it is possible that not fit )
amberglint: perhaps the rsatron will fit into this larger chip?
amberglint: asciilifeform: the reverse-engineered toolchain for the iCE40 now supports a larger chip, the ECP5 with 85k LUTs (vs ~8k LUTs of iCE40), possibly worth taking a look at: https://github.com/SymbiFlow/prjtrellis
trinque: asciilifeform: ftr this "toilet box" vs "republican box" thing is I gather what we all approximate already
trinque: asciilifeform: it's the libc that *reads* even /etc/hosts
asciilifeform: but will say -- i expect that the final item will be even moar extreme than mircea_popescu's scheme -- i'll have 2 consoles on desk, 1 that talks to barbarian net, and 1 that only gossipd
mircea_popescu: and so down the entire fucking line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yours is a specious argument. i have stable of slaves BECAUSE i do not use crap. not the other way around.
asciilifeform: i'd at least like ~variant~ where can switch off dns. ( sadly will prolly never be able to run entire fleet like this, i do quite a bit of interaction with heathen material as part of not only daily bread but research for tmsr works, interface with vendors, etc ) but even ~option~ is moar than what we had historically.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 14:18 asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-24 19:44 mircea_popescu: replace them with a single component, which builds a hosts file through pressing v tree.
mircea_popescu: so ship them to alf, add to his pile of dubious.
phf: my impression is that they are effectively a write off, but if there's a good use that they can be put to, i have a week of very limited time to assist with that
phf: i can transfer them to ascii, if he's willing, sometime next week, or continue as is, but that'll effectively put them into indiana jones storage
phf: mircea_popescu: i have a box of your pogos, i can probably still store them, but i won't be able to keep them safe, nor produce them on short notice
hanbot: mircea_popescu in the grand circus of learning, there's no substitute for getting one's face in the cheese grater. but sure, have nicoleci teach that particular course, why nots.
mircea_popescu: cracking dns, replacing with gns, makes the world fucking work already.
mircea_popescu: hanbot the problem i'm facing is "fetgirl wants to send me nudes, wut do". i was hoping to cheat with eulora linkage.
mircea_popescu: and so therefore, how about this convention : re-dld gets ~all~ keys from seals dir ; looks in $key/gns for patches. dumps all the found ones in a dir, then proceeds to build and press tree, that's the hosts and that;'s it.
mircea_popescu: i ~suppose~ one manner of handling this is the followingf convention : patches to be acquired from $key/gns/ dir, for all keys in the seals ring. so it'd look for "6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/gns" which is not a "valid" domain per usg.verisign "rules" however it DOES resolve in our own system. because we can put ips on anything we want.
hanbot: mircea_popescu tbh i'm quite morally opposed to stuffing hand-holding wordsalad into a set of instructions for the sake of placating idiocy. unclear is one thing, devoid of sparkly alternative interpretational dance is another.
mircea_popescu: a bunch of deletes + the pressing.
mircea_popescu: hanbot "Select kleopatra, gpg4win's key management gui, from the Windows start menu. Select File from the main menu, then choose New Certificate. Select Create a personal OpenPGP key pair. Enter your name, email, and a comment, click Create Key, then choose a passphrase. " ? i suppose you're right, though 0 chances windoze tards manage to follow terse instructions.
trinque: yeah, I think what you're asking for is mostly a bunch of deletes. absent w/e upstream DNS lookup it can still snarf the /etc/hosts and nobody else in userland will care
a111: Logged on 2018-11-24 17:46 mircea_popescu: hanbot hey, where's the "gpg guide for windows tards" ? i thought we had this on eulora wiki somewhere but drawing blanks.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874332 << >> http://www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup under the Windows bold headin'
trinque: yeah, that thing eats one set of config files and shits out others, like /etc/resolv.conf
mircea_popescu: of course this means i dunno, w/e downstream program, curl say, can STILL do dns the wrong way.
trinque: least ocean-boiling way of doing that is by patching the libc
mircea_popescu: replace them with a single component, which builds a hosts file through pressing v tree.
mircea_popescu: take them out.
mircea_popescu: they're all wrappers on libc function calls, sure. but they nevertheless exist as components, in cuntoo.
trinque: seems like I'm missing a step in the middle here.
mircea_popescu: should first nuke it on os level, THEN nuke libc anyway.
mircea_popescu: imo libc is the wrong first step.
trinque: removing and cauterizing the dns mechanism in the libc is probably the thing, then. leaves no hole for it to return. if folks can also tolerate their local box always being called "localhost" no need for two, or alternatively they make room for local patches in their v workflow.
trinque: that's the one.
trinque: oh sure, no argument to the contrary. whole thing should be nuked.
mircea_popescu: it's still there, even if under a rug.
mircea_popescu: ie, current dns system is simply lying as to the cost.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:11 asciilifeform: the fact that it feels to noobs like 'unnatural acrobatics' is an artifact of writer suddenly having to pay that actual cost of the complexity inflicted on reader. and yes folx whined, just like in ex-ussr folx whined when they started having to pay for mains current .
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:50 mircea_popescu: don't ask the customer for things you don't have to. customer pays, that's enough.
mircea_popescu: it is high time to break this "dwim" bs about identity on the net. user HAS to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871013 ; because no, paying ain't enough here.
trinque: you can, but you'll regrind them each time
trinque: your hosts file is going to contain things mine doesn't, at the very least your hostname