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mircea_popescu: !!key venatiodecorus
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
mircea_popescu: venatiodecorus who might you be then ?
venatiodecorus: i was talking to danielpbarron on efnet
venatiodecorus: he linked some stuff and i got to reading about ur game and bitcoin work and evreything
mircea_popescu: anything good ?
venatiodecorus: sounds interesting
mircea_popescu: so try it out.
venatiodecorus: u use tge right?
venatiodecorus: the original version?
venatiodecorus: that's what it looks like
venatiodecorus: the game engine looks like torque
mircea_popescu: ah. notrly. but yo ucan look through the client, it's published.
venatiodecorus: i used to work on an mmo that ran on torque, thought it looked similar to that
venatiodecorus: ill check it out
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=88 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/07/2018
phf: venatiodecorus: originally i believe eulora client was based on planeshift, and it runs on crystal space engine.
venatiodecorus: phf: yeah i was actually just browsing the source and reading up on the history
venatiodecorus: planeshift is a custom engine coupleod with the crystal space 3d rendering engine
mircea_popescu: venatiodecorus is lulzsec still alive lol
venatiodecorus: there is a guy on twitter @lulzsecops who claims to have been around them back then or something like that
venatiodecorus: the channel ban expired on 2600net and i grabbed the channel just cuz i thought it was funny
mircea_popescu: ""It seems believable to me. I dunno why someone would make this up," Cochran told Motherboard in an encrypted chat. " because totally, "attention whoring, just like everyone else in the attention whoring '''industry'''" is not self-evident and arch-sufficient and explanation. and don't forget kids -- ENCRYPTED CHATS!!!
venatiodecorus: yep shmoop
venatiodecorus: he was p entertaining tho
venatiodecorus: honestly tho mircea_popescu jamie knows her shit
venatiodecorus: so if that was her feeling on the matter i'd trust her opinion
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust jamie
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
venatiodecorus: well, she knew her shit. rip :(
mircea_popescu: exactly equal to any other dumb cow.
venatiodecorus: naw she was cool
mircea_popescu: though i suppose heifer is the technically accurate term.
mircea_popescu: kinda funny, all this obama-era debris. ridiculous libertard cocksuckers and their dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: and to round up the keks, https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/isis-terrorist-junaid-hussain-killed-10069425 ; moneyshot : "Birmingham Isis terrorist Junaid Hussain effectively signed his own death warrant after clicking on a “poison” internet link pinpointing his location, it was reported. The Times claimed the link was sent to the 21-year-old on the Surespot phone messager app by an undercover agent after
mircea_popescu: GCHQ and its US allies cracked encrypted Islamic State communications." a sort of http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-161.0-161.52
a111: Logged on 2018-11-24 23:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma put your patch into the 'official' sequence, rather than simply sewing it into ch13, i'd like to explicitly honour the work.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 06:32 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fucking hysterical if entirely inconsequential nonsense, vice delivers : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nz7w9b/hacker-outs-himself-as-fbi-snitch-and-claims-he-helped-track-down-isis
mircea_popescu: justabout.
mircea_popescu: in other news, working on some gds specwork, draft later today.
mircea_popescu: though i suspect it'll be mostly questions by mass. but ... we discuss.
asciilifeform: y'mean gns ? or renamed
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind though, these fucktarded morons, they'd actually use usg.dumbphones ? in fucking syria ? PERSONALLY ?!
mircea_popescu: just what the fuck do they put in the water over there in the zekstan ?
diana_coman: possibly the same "how can you live without a smartphone???"
mircea_popescu: is it THAT FUCKING HARD to just have a relay ? i mean... not like i use the fetlife app for fucks sake. because why would i.
mircea_popescu: i never saw that "spittyspot" or w/e thing, but im ready to write an open guarantee it doesn't come with basic functionality.
mircea_popescu: a la fetlife not coming with a "list females under 25" button. becase "reasons", of course.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: matters so much ~which~ pnoje ? if yer a 10watt microwave lighthouse in middle of desert
mircea_popescu: syria is not a desert.
mircea_popescu: syria is ~california. sage brush and shit.
asciilifeform: lol loox like i gotta actually read the linked lulpiece
asciilifeform: aah apparently asciilifeform stuck in '90s, current.usg dun bother with hf-df anymoar , nao 'click on link and share yer gps coords'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, USG ferments shitstack for reasons
mircea_popescu: fucking idiocy this html. so i have a long line with no whitespace, and i want it to break CORRECTLY. like an idiot i spent 15 minutes digging up "word-wrap: break-word" magic syntax, and then another 10 for "how to make css go inline into html". as a result, INSTEAD of breaking like i want it to break, typographically, it breaks moronically (stuffs a whole line of the long line into the paragaph, then breaks it off, but the
mircea_popescu: previous line is fuckspaced because obviously, it didn't break an early fragment of the long line to fix the typographic needs of the line coming before it.
mircea_popescu: fucking html, ALWAYS this is my experience with it : sink however long you want into making it do what you want it to, then write off that effort and hand-coerce things instead.
mircea_popescu: in this case, a spurious line break sorta dozen characters in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now you know what half of ffa illustration sweat loox like !
mircea_popescu: fucking terrible.
mircea_popescu: and it takes like 8 fucking tries to get the right length by trial and error, too. fuck my life, why am i living in the chair of an idiot.
asciilifeform: e.g. the karatsuba 'sandwiches' took coupla ~days~ of this.
asciilifeform: ( and i found that in order for the result to actually display correctly, gotta throw out ~all post-2000 htmlisms, css, etc and go to 1990s-era tags )
mircea_popescu: it's what trilema does, and for this reason. and every time i ventrure out...
mircea_popescu: and the annoying part of syntax wrangling is that now it overwrote my mental space, i don't even fucking recall wtf i was saying.
asciilifeform: this is in fact ~the~ cost, not that the drawing takes 4evah
billymg: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: next time you can simply say "billymg: it should look like this, make it so"
billymg: it won't fix css but it may save you from some headaches
asciilifeform: billymg: do you know the story of why knuth wrote 'tex' ?
billymg: i do not
asciilifeform: knuth was writing a large mathematical encyclopaedia, his famous 'aop' ; and did not like having to wait for typesetter to 'make it so', esp. given as it always took N tries and introduced new mistake erry time ( mistake that typesetter could not even see , not being knuth )
asciilifeform: !#s ooda loop
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
billymg: ah, so would need typesetter that could "see the mistakes"
billymg: if such a thing could even exist
asciilifeform: and works in a few sec, 24/7
asciilifeform: i.e. has to be mechanical.
asciilifeform: and no it doesn't need to 'see mistakes', it needs to not make'em.
mircea_popescu: what code delivers the result of that \n between 3 and 9 ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/ << Trilema - This GNS thing...
billymg: in that example it looks like wordpress spit out a <br> to manually break the line
mircea_popescu: (obviously the \n fixes nothiong, because every rendering engine will fuck it up differently. which is why it'd be nice to have code, and which is why html was even allowed to exist in the first place -- the promise, meanwhile scandalously defaulted on, that it will resolve exactly such things, cheaply and forever)
billymg: but you're looking for a css property that will break a single string when it reaches the end of the line?
mircea_popescu: billymg yes, i put it in. now tell me the html that makes it look like that without hard linebreak.
mircea_popescu: billymg no. i am looking for a html property that will make text flow correctly. which is to say -- break as much of a long word as needed to fill PREVIOUS line.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck this isn't default is anyone's guess, there's ~no other way anyone wants text to ever go anyway. but w/e.
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/ZONF2#selection-193.38-201.35 << yup, sure enough it's fucked on archive.is
billymg: i think it's `word-wrap: break-word`
mircea_popescu: what that does is that it fucks the previous line, fills a whole subsequent line with a chunk of the long word, and puts the remainder on a third line
mircea_popescu: looky : if you have words of lengths 5, 5, 6, 17 and a line of 20 characters, the expected behavious is A) 5 5 6 3 / 14. NOT b) 5 5 6 / 17.
billymg: ah ok
billymg trial-and-erroring to see if this is possible in css
billymg: so `word-break: break-all` works in that any string will be cut when it hits the end of the line, but this has the unintended consequence of breaking spoken language words as well
billymg: so one solution is to wrap you string in something like `<span class="break">longstring</span>` and setting `.break { word-break: break-all; }`
billymg: it still requires manual markup but it has the benefit of breaking at the right character automatically, rather than finding the character manually and placing a `<br>` after it
mircea_popescu: let's try this then!
billymg: hey, looks good on my end (in that post) -- previously the `<br>` was breaking it a bit too soon and leaving some whitespace at the end of the line, before printing the remainder on the next line
mircea_popescu: again, the desire behaviour is 5-5-6-FRAGMENT OF 3 then on next line remainder of 14. NOT!!!! 5-5-6-whitespace then on next line WHOLE 17.
billymg: that's how it appears on my screen
billymg: ugh, perhaps a property not widely supported
mircea_popescu: ima put this in the log, as a testament to just how indescribably retarded html is :
mircea_popescu: F<wbr />C<wbr />6<wbr />6<wbr />C<wbr />0<wbr />C<wbr />5<wbr />D<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />C<wbr />4<wbr />2<wbr />A<wbr />1<wbr />D<wbr />4<wbr />A<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />6<wbr />B<wbr />4<wbr />2<wbr />Fv9<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />5<wbr />A<wbr />F<wbr />A<wbr />B<wbr />9<wbr />5<wbr />3<wbr />C<wbr />4<wbr />/<wbr />1<wbr />7<wbr />2<wbr />1<wbr />5<wbr />D<wbr />1<wbr />1<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />7<wbr />2<wbr />3<wbr />9<w
mircea_popescu: br />5<wbr />0<wbr />7<wbr />F<wbr />A<wbr />F<wbr />E<wbr />D<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />2<wbr />2<wbr />8<wbr />A<wbr />0<wbr />0<wbr />1<wbr />A<wbr />B<wbr />F<wbr />F<wbr />C<wbr />7<wbr />/<wbr />g<wbr />n<wbr />s
billymg: lol, that's awful
billymg: fwiw the word-break thing on trilema was rendering like this for me http://billymg.com/downloads/word-break.png
billymg: it apparently is supposed to be supported as of firefox 15
billymg: but that could just mean the property, and not all values for the property
mircea_popescu: i believe... but if eg archive doesn't see it properly...
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=89 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/08/2018
billymg: it was rendering fine on archive.is for me too, since they just snapshot the html/css (and i inspected to see that it had the styled `<span>` in there)
billymg: but i see your point, if it doesn't render properly on a republican box then it doesn't render properly
billymg: which is quite disappointing for me, i was excited at the prospect of a line of my css making it into trilema! :D
mircea_popescu: billymg link ?
billymg: in this archive link you posted: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874594
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 17:32 mircea_popescu: billymg no, see : http://archive.is/x2Ci6#selection-189.0-197.209 ? this is breakage.
mircea_popescu: oh, right, it'd be my browser fucking it up huh.
mircea_popescu: though i looked at it through various.
billymg: yeah, and not surprising considering they update the "spec" every coupla months
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. wbr it is, that works universally.
billymg: unrelated, mircea_popescu: what do you think of the lake arenal region? i visited once and was playing around with the idea of even moving there
billymg: at this point i think it's either that or texas for me (as a temp solution)
billymg: with the goal of being able to arrange my life in such a way that provides more time for actual work
mircea_popescu: i don't know that i'd move there ; but it's certainly a pleasant two day trip.
billymg: because of how remote it is from any city?
mircea_popescu: well, arenal was actually active last i was here, 15 years ago.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i watched the lava flow at night from my bed. living on the side of an active volcano doesn't strike me as "humanity's best moment" material.
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's remote and so supply-inconvenient, for all sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: also, there are no cities here. the local's notion of building strictly meets barn criteria, they throw up some sheet metal atop soldered metal pikes and call it done. the only city is san jose, and it's a sorry sort of akron, at that.
mircea_popescu: everything else is shanty-town.
mircea_popescu: there's some merits to this, considering square foot of floor space is cheaper here than anywhere else, and by a degree of magnitude (unless, of course, one buys into the miami idiocy -- then it's a good 50% more expensive).
mircea_popescu: moreover, earthquakes are frequent, the terrain very uneven and the need for insulation nil -- heavy masonry building like my culture favours ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-10#824588 ) provides great insulation and significant earthquake vulnerability but requires flat terrain -- a terrible fit for the actual situation.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
mircea_popescu: basically, conditions that in maramures produced a wood civilisation are producing a metal civilisation among these gypsies -- salt-of-the-earth man's ideal toy is soldering kit.
billymg: ah, makes sense, thank you
deedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2018/11/25/pizarro-weekly-update-november-25th-2018/ << PizarroISP - Pizarro Weekly Update November 25th 2018
trinque: BingoBoingo: might I suggest contacting some of the n00bs directly, here, and asking them what would make them a pizarro customer
trinque: could very well be that plenty hadn't had - you know - the thought, man.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Quite of few new arrivals are already subscribed, but this is a point
trinque: I'll say for the record that while I've been quite the loud activist customer, it's precisely because I'm thrilled with the level of service, and want to see the thing thrive.
BingoBoingo: Your thrills are appreciated
trinque: BingoBoingo: could also incentivize them to do their own selling, "get a month free when you invite" kind of thing
BingoBoingo: Incentivizing selling is definitely been a thing we haven't succeeded much with so far and could be ripe.
BingoBoingo: Another thing that seems to have been tabled which I am finding more interesting after my blog disaster is an adult Rockchip plant. Especially now that MP-WP appears to be less of a threat to exhaust RAM after tweaking 1 MYSQL knob.
trinque: yep, look at my recent vps lulz re: "oh hypervisor was misconfigured". thin hosting on real hardware is a market, whether derps know it yet or not. tell 'em.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plz send to addr in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873029 , ty
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 21:48 asciilifeform: ( addr is in top-left of 1st photo of mircea_popescu's http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of )
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
phf: asciilifeform: ack
lobbesbot: phf: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> plz send to addr in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873029 , ty
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mein gott, 33MB!
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: Sent 1 minute ago: <BingoBoingo> http://aaronrogier.net/4_alf.tar.gz.gpg
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a certain porn shoot you requested a couple weeks back for today
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: yw asciilifeform
asciilifeform: a good % of these are underexposed / invisible
asciilifeform: i suggest to BingoBoingo to bring a lamp and retake
asciilifeform: ( dun have to send me the result, just sit on it )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also you'll want to draw on'em
asciilifeform: ( dun particularly matter what, so long as you recognize the 'tit shoot' laters )
asciilifeform: take note of the examples i left behind.
BingoBoingo: Aite, I'll make sure to apply the Johnson oil liberally
trinque: is there some cleaner way of having vdiff produce a genesis than having an empty directory laying around with which to vdiff?
asciilifeform: imho the empty dir approach needs no sugar
trinque: fair nuff
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 13: Width-Measure and Quiet Shifts.
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al ^
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform bbl;meat
BingoBoingo: In anthro lulz an Elliot who decided to cope by marrying Jesus got killed by natives on an Island nominally part of India and nobody has any idea how to collect the cadaver
trinque: seems kinda screwy that vdiff exits nonzero when the parameters differ. I know this is classical diff behavior, but eh. I'd expect that to mean "wasn't able to perform diff"
trinque: do/don't differ is known by whether there's output
trinque holds his nose and appends a || true
trinque: asciilifeform: cuntoo bootstrapper produces the same genesis.vpatch repeatedly, runs without network (so we can be certain all deps have been captured). Running once more with ^ and that oughta be that. I'll post the poast tomorrow so it doesn't sound like the tired pile of notebook scribblings it currently does.
asciilifeform: trinque: sounds delish!
BingoBoingo: Also, to put on the recruiting calendar... July 2020 Hans Reiser first becomes eligible for parole
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh i suspect they'll let ~him~ out ~after~ they let asciilifeform ( who aint even in yet ) out.
BingoBoingo: Eh, all he is alleged to have done is housekeeping
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