asciilifeform: esp. given that gnat, like other gcc, builds for winblowz just fine if one insists.
asciilifeform: ( these --- do apparently exist! tho i presently have nfi who uses'em, and for what )
asciilifeform: phf: good % of the barf was actually my own, thing struck me as gnarly and with all the wrongest kinds of pedigree initially
asciilifeform: diana_coman: when i went , all the good profs were already grey and weary, so not particularly surprising, i expect they died
phf: ftr i had no objections to ada either, i suspect the barfs were coming from peanut gallery of people who since dropped off
phf: actually i'm not sure what i just said made any kind of sense. i need to look at cuntoo first, and then reassess what i'm trying to say.
phf: mircea_popescu: my impression is that trinque has some kind of mechanism of inlining source code into cuntoo, so instead of it being a matrioshka doll of nested vpatches, any new vpatch to cuntoo brings in ebuild AND the already unpacked source code. my approach keeps the vpatches separate from cuntoo: you install cuntoo first, then pull vpatches separately. i haven't looked at cuntoo yet, so i'm not sure how he's doing it though
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no; possibly having started with Pascal in highschool & the "one programming language per week" crazy uni year of choice -> "stronger stomach", if anything
mircea_popescu: i suppose the using of the weird directory structure's an eyesore, but whatever, can be fixed later.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:38 phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875139 << sounds to me like the right direction, what's the source of doubt ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:36 trinque: yep, and ebuild tree and src tree really have no business being separate, aside from preserving the imperial "there is a package repository for all-of-us"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875138 << this is eminently true. in fact all these converge to v tree eventually anyway.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman neither do i, which makes me suspicious!\
asciilifeform: ( does errybody recall how many barf bags they went through when asciilifeform 1st suggested ada ?? )
mircea_popescu: trinque and what, lame is the engineering tool ?
asciilifeform: so they dun entirely not-exist
mircea_popescu: his harakiri meant they lost interest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a short time when those folx played at cl, 2005-9 roughly, but long gone nao
phf: i was very much insulated from open sores lisp with acl, just sort of assumed that they were all basically the same. turns out that common lisp world is a cargo cult. for when spec was never supposed to be and all be all: it was a _thin_ common ground of a variety of rich lisp ecosystem. writing _just_ to spec is an exercise in frustration..
mircea_popescu: the conference crowd, what. community.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 21:47 Framedragger: this isis girl in tor reads crypto papers and implements them and runs their bridges infrastructure which uses its own nifty things (hashrings for distributing bridge nodes etc), i'm quite certain she hasn't heard
mircea_popescu: nono, i mean the community. expert sex change etcetera. you know, the echelons and the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874513 and the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592242
asciilifeform: fwiw i prototype algos in cl, which later turn into ada , but this is 'harem' rather than forum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'community' is archaeological artifact, afaik we're ~100% of what's actually left
mircea_popescu: "so you're a femme fatale ?" "i sure am, mister" "take off your clothes" "whoa"
mircea_popescu: whole lisp community reminds me of teenager females and their interest in sex.
phf: there's much general fascination with lisp, but when we had to get shit done, turns out many limitations
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ikr ? the mpi thing, straight from my garbage can
mircea_popescu: i'd have thought with all the lisp fans it'd have spurned some fermentation.
mircea_popescu: ah. ok then!
asciilifeform: ftr 1 of the many ruins that litter asciilifeform's hdds is a half-written ada ecc ( pre-ffa )
phf: mircea_popescu: i did, i believe the reaction at the time was "let's see what'll come out of it", nothing came out of it though: cl-bitcoin in it's half baked state is using cffi to openssl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could, for example, use diana_coman's. or a modified permissive ffa. or even the thing that came with gnat. but in any case would be 'sapper errs once' component, gotta be bug-free
mircea_popescu: phf need i tell you how cool'd it have been had you said this 2016 rather than 2018 ?
phf: asciilifeform: apropos i've attempted two years ago to do a rewrite for my cl-bitcoin, got bogged down in group theory, at this point still trying to power through an "introduction to group theory" text book.
mircea_popescu: and yes, ffa majorily useful, and no, not necessarily against writing for it. but there may be a timing issue (trb that takes > minute to check block is useless)
asciilifeform: can be written from scratch ( whoever thinks that he can do it faster than asciilifeform's ffa, is welcome to try, i promise to take off hat ) or on ffa, either.
asciilifeform: to be clear, we're talking about the eccolade numerics stack
asciilifeform: the one where http://therealbitcoin.org/trb-howto.html : 0x12) Get http://deedbot.org/deed-422651-4.txt : name it 'openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz.asc'
mircea_popescu: see ? there's immense benefits to "exchange dropped!!!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so idea here is 1st to cut the classic tar to 'what used in trb' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at this point, it's irrelevant. there's ~10 bucks of kentucky happy meals on the putative "other networks".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's old observation re the dacia air filter still holds tho, potentially replacing the hairball in trb with a 100% correct numeric set, will result in a forkable.
mircea_popescu: but yes, as far as trb work is concerned, a) taking off the bulidroot process because b) move it to cuntoo and also c) replace ssl dependency with one file, <1k loc are the priorities.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu gives signal that we're fucking done with the old flintlock pistols, then i'ma start welding on ffa in trb as soon as the former is battlefield-ready.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 19:39 mircea_popescu: it's the currency of the republic, you're so surprises it follows the flow and ebb of the very republic in question ?
asciilifeform: !#s father's pistols
a111: 0 results for "grandfather's pistols", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=grandfather%27s%20pistols
asciilifeform: !#s grandfather's pistols
mircea_popescu: certainly no tolerance of "i'm waiting on fondling for the fuck to get here"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i proposed this several yrs ago, but it was mircea_popescu who then reminded about air filters in old dacia
mircea_popescu: there's 0 pressure to "put everything in first fuck", you realise.
trinque: ah, don't mind me then. I agree entirely.
mircea_popescu: trinque not in any case discussing first patch. just the roadmap.
trinque: this is too much ocenboiling for the first patch, akin to fixing everything wrong with trb in its genesis
mircea_popescu: not even there, just patch it to use our own ~correct~ code.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:30 asciilifeform: will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875133 << it's not clear to me why we have ssl AT ALL. the idea is to replace that whole pile with straight rsa, much like we're taking out dns (and touched upon in same piece)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, correct re 1 disk; for the rest I'll have to decide but first step has to be testing trinque's new item locally anyway
asciilifeform: there's 1 of those in e.g. moscow
mircea_popescu: nah, the kind which were repaired dozens of times over the generations, where "repair" was interpreted to mean "add a mechanism to compensate for perceived errors".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. the kind where somebody had to climb into the gears erry 6mo to change the frayed windlass rope ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:29 trinque: and the plan is indeed to get ave1's in, and I invite him to write the ebuild. the point of what I released is to preserve the found item, can now start changing it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875131 << reasonable ; but yeah, plox ave1 write a patch for the damn thing, the dance is vaguely reminiscent of those organically-evolved early clocks.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct, theoretically may be movable ( tho as i recall, you currently have 1 disk, and if you're planning on filling the other disk holes -- and disks are available -- may as well install clean )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
asciilifeform: diana_coman, trinque : it isn't clear to me that 'move existing gentoo to cuntoo' without reformat of hdd is worth attempting -- non-musltronic dyn-linked sad gentoo bins will all barf once the pertinent libs are removed ( and they dun belong, imho, on a cuntoo box )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 13:44 spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign).
BingoBoingo: In the too fat to jail files: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/amplian-procesamiento-de-michelle-suarez-por-falsificar-certificados-medicos-20181127112539
mircea_popescu: a sort of philosophical zombie, vessels carrying forth the voice of collective motherhood.
trinque: if you're feeling adventurous, read the bootstrap scripts and it should indicate what'd need to happen to convert a living system, but I had the thing generate a new bootable blockdev because of these hairy complications
trinque: diana_coman: it produces the genesis.vpatch that represents the state of the bootstrapped system. porting an existing gentoo over has additional complications. in theory you could yes, introduce what's in /cuntoo/ to an existing machine, but I think this deserves its own guide.
phf: asciilifeform: he "won" the suite, presumably spent fortune on lawyers, but donated immediately after.
diana_coman: trinque, that looks great; if I understand correctly, the archive there contains the means to a. install cuntoo b. make the genesis of cuntoo/portage that could in principle be used to move an existing gentoo to cuntoo; is this correct?
mircea_popescu: phf and i'm entirely unimpressed with carmack, either.
phf: recently carmack donated to openbsd, they made a very big deal out if it being "the first individual silver level donor"
mircea_popescu: but it's not exactly clear what relationship there is, between the 2015 died-anyway would-be openbsd continuator, and the 1990s "fuck windows" alf's-apple-notion competitor.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 18:31 asciilifeform: d the online payment processor Stripe each pledged to donate $50,000 a year to Koch’s project.' etc
mircea_popescu: trinque in summary, the thing flew as such : 1. de raadt announced "openbsd dead as going concern without like 20k" ; 2. nobody cared ; 3. somebody brought it here ; 4. i paid his 20k ; 5. complex face-saving dance of usg commenced, very much blueprint for all later http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874881 ; 6. i told them exactly how unimpressed i am. which i still am.
trinque: correct, that'd be the next step
asciilifeform: ( ideally we'd simply keep the logic demanded by trb and burn the rest. but dunno that anyone has the free hands for this presently )
trinque: the openbsd folks took openssl and forked it, does not need openbsd to build
trinque: mircea_popescu: thought there was some kind of "we don't want your money" instance, but now don't recall details
asciilifeform: it is currently in the beta cuntoo
mircea_popescu: i mean... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718269 will work just fine without the current usg muppet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an 'openbsd-branded' item, 'libressl', quite similar to the hairball carried along in trb but weighing slightly less
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is the issue, i had mental image similar to what asciilifeform discusses, "openbsd the ancient artefact" ; was discussion more about usg.openbsd replacement in recent years ?
asciilifeform: dun talk, as such, no moar, sits in a flower pot, 'talkers' do the talkin' 'for him'
trinque: mircea_popescu: just their episode with you was all.
phf: trinque: how does that work with genesis, is it some other mechanism than having all the files in /distfiles? (i'm curious, but i don't have time to investigate)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they've done ~nuffin in years, we're discussing an archaeological artifact
trinque: I've been building with unshare -n , uses the linux namespaces thing to detach the process from the network stack (fig leaf yes, but at least was a decent way to test)
mircea_popescu: what did they do now ?
asciilifeform: if said bugs affect trb logic, than it oughta be in trb asap ; if they do not, then not clear to me why better
trinque: much as the openbsd folks shoot themselves in the foot politically, I don't know that I trust them less than w/e derps contribute to openssl
trinque: libressl is being decrufted by the openbsd folks, result of which is that several pretty nasty bugs in openssl didn't affect libressl since they forked it. I can't vouch for the work, and it's certainly up for debate.
asciilifeform: for that matter, why does cuntoo need to include own sslism, afaik the only proggy that hard-depends on having one is trb
asciilifeform: ( i dun have any notion that one is 'better' than the other, in either direction, but imho the matter deserves discussion )
asciilifeform: trinque: now that i think about it -- what was the logic for including the alt-ssl in cuntoo, vs trb's frozen thing ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with << I run a bitcoind linked against libressl 2.5.5 and so far it hasn't forked
asciilifeform: thing still displays entire coadbase, so i'd still much rather have it, than nuffin at all. but it is frustrating.
asciilifeform: i presently suspect that this is because gnathtml uses gcc's AST for the input data, rather than the raw proggy text
asciilifeform: ( it is certainly indexed in the place where it lives -- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/fz_basic__adb.htm#72_13 -- but for some reason not in ffa_calc__adb... )
asciilifeform: it also mysteriously fails to concord the occasional symbol
asciilifeform: gnathtml has some pretty serious missing parts tho, mainly that it is impossible to link to individual lines of proggy unless they contain concordance'd symbols
asciilifeform: still mighty useful. ( presently i'm continuing with the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/ffa_calc__adb.htm thing, to fill that niche )
phf: yeah and btcbase is not there yet
asciilifeform: so i ended up getting hung up on the coad-eating logics
asciilifeform intended to release a thing somewhat like it with the orig 2015 vtron, but asciilifeform's wwwtronics was not equal to the task, never made a usable incarnation of item
phf: i'm not particularly keen on the whole archivist aspect of it, these are curated live artifacts, no need to be too pedantic with them
asciilifeform: phf: imho the correct thing to do, if you have 2 bitwise-identical patches , is to display only 1 ( i'd prefer it be the one using my naming scheme, given as it is my proj, but i also won't cry if it's the other ) -- and the sigs that match it
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5wqxB/?raw=true << rathead, centos , debian, privesc
asciilifeform: ( so long as the sigs validate and hashes line up, names are immaterial )
asciilifeform: phf's mechanism did The Right Thing tho, a++, ty phf
asciilifeform: which patch did it say picked up, that was already there ?
phf: asciilifeform: done, can you please check that it's correct, i'm doing it from console only linux and my update function said it picked up a patch, that i thought was already there..
phf: trinque: i'll pull it out, right after my move. flight's only few days away, and i'm only half way through gutting the apartment.
phf: i also have another approach, with V_PATCHES=[('http://.../foo.vpatch', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.first.sig', 'http://.../foo.vpatch.another.sig'),...] where ebuild basically keeps explicit press order, but can also rely on emerge for pulling the files from remote. none of it is particularly satisfying
phf: i have a poc, that uses vpy as an alternative to EGIT_REPO_URI. you put all of the vpatches and sigs into /usr/portage/distfiles/vpatches and you have your wot in /etc/wot and you say V_HEAD='foobar' and it attempts to press whatever's in distfiles to the corresponding head, and then use it as a build target. it works, but i'm not sure that's the right direction..
trinque: yep, and ebuild tree and src tree really have no business being separate, aside from preserving the imperial "there is a package repository for all-of-us"
asciilifeform: eventual convergence of ye olde 'emerge' and hypothetical 'vmerge', also of interest.
asciilifeform: ( given a musltronic cuntoo, the 'rotor'-descended buildroot process for trb is theoretically redundant )
trinque: long term the "bootstrap.sh" will be converted to an installer which presumes an existing working cuntoo, and that installer will come as an ebuild vpatch atop genesis
asciilifeform: will also be interesting to see if trb can sit down on trinque's libressl thing, instead of the frozen ancient openssl it currently goes with
trinque: and the plan is indeed to get ave1's in, and I invite him to write the ebuild. the point of what I released is to preserve the found item, can now start changing it
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether anybody's tried building straight with ave1's
trinque: asciilifeform: we had a thread on the stepping down before, jumping directly to 4.9.4 does not work on musl. not a clue why.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma test-fire in the next coupla days
trinque: ^ I'll go over this with a caffeinated brain later, but wanted to get the thing into hands immediately. Let me know if you reproduce my genesis.vpatch folks.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 19:32 asciilifeform: ( replaced the google liquishit with a simple and humane kindergarden arithmetic thing )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
trinque: spyked: point is a simple "hey trinque, lets make the swap at $date, and get the PM subscriptions ported over meanwhile"
spyked: trinque, mircea_popescu: one thing I could do is have it deliver a small number of feeds (e.g. thetarpit, since that's under my control anyway) and have it subscribed to the others whenever you feel like. for now, all delivery to #trilema is disabled (and I'll bring the bot back on mircea_popescu's sign).
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874742 <-- oops, apologies for the trouble. this makes perfect sense, my initial impression was that trinque was eager to get rid of the rss piece in deedbot, but some sort of transition seems reasonable.
trinque: appears to be the culmination of many different threads, vtronic www, vtronic portage, much else.
asciilifeform: the foot thread
trinque imagines a circus act where person-of-walmart is brought out in chains, made to attempt pants, abused by onlookers as they fail.
BingoBoingo: Filtering the ocean for gold
mircea_popescu: merely wondering "hm, i wonder wtf?!" is already ~one in a thousand~. these aren't invented numbers, this isn't a manner of speech. two in 2184.
mircea_popescu: question i guess very similar to "how can anyone read algebra I and stop there".
mircea_popescu: in other ustard web lulz : count of consumer ips first seen on http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ : 2184. count of ips last seen on http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ : 2182.
BingoBoingo: Also hard to discern in douchebag a desire to learn or indication he understood having other languages is a good thing
mircea_popescu: i suppose, upon a coupla minutes' examination, the foremost difference'd be kakobrekla character spoke another language ; dubious whether the other one did. though i guess not possible.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's differences i'm sure, if nothing else the tag strings differ. but i fail to see any comparably important to the similarities, and so it goes.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, eminently "wife" in usg.zone is the above, whether you call it "divorce settlement" or anything else.)
mircea_popescu: to restate in these terms, "two young males, fractional '''girlfriend''' they'd have to pay to get rid of, living with parents, hoping to be one day paid by inca for the useless '''work''' they want to do" etc.
asciilifeform: makes sense ( tho i have nfi whether applies to orig d00d or not )
asciilifeform: if it cannot be sold at all, as in you'd have to pay someone to take it, then analogous to radwaste
mircea_popescu: not at all. the issue with "girlfriends" as understood by idiots is that they can ~not~ be sold.
asciilifeform: betcha flea market would pay a penny to the buck for it, vs what it cost to bake
asciilifeform: is the spiffy body-fitting suit mircea_popescu is sitting in, also 'insane' ?
mircea_popescu: insanity is worthless other than to owner, a calc over how sin is meaningless except to the sinner.
asciilifeform: worthless other than to owner
mircea_popescu: because if it's not liquid AT ALL, in the blender-can't-liquify-cookie, it's necessarily worthless, by the very definition of terms.
asciilifeform: just about 100% of the gear asciilifeform is sitting in the middle of, from the lenses in his specs to the 400kg of elaborate space heater, prolly wouldn't fetch moar than weight in scrap iron in junkyard
mircea_popescu: liquid in the sense of "to an arbitrary degree" or liquid in the sense of "at all" ?
mircea_popescu: it's no way to live, to my eyes, but then again.)
mircea_popescu: and obviously the situation where one's woman can't be freely sold are situations of girlie, ~0 value.
mircea_popescu: (i suppose this isn't directly evident, but "equal partnership" bla bla "monogamous" bla bla "traditional" relationships sprung of "dating" etc are these situations where one has a fraction of a girl. maybe 1-epsilon, perhaps, but never 1.
asciilifeform: in usa they have a local historic character, gen. benedict arnold, roughly same household word for 'betrayal' as e.g. vidkun quisling in old world ( and for same reason, was a reasonably passing hero before flipped sign bit )
mircea_popescu: i've no idea there's that difference. two young males, fractional girlfriend of ~0 value, living with parents, aspiring to business...
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 21:10 mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:58 mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875018 << i dun see that they're instances of same item tho -- 1 was dumb http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874979 kid, other was a - quite clever enuff - bought an' paid-for pantsuit mole
mircea_popescu: and the bar to what it takes to ~not~ be directly approximabloe by bag of lettered dice raises over time, too!
asciilifeform: possibly cuz Mocky was actually asking a q. as opposed to douchebag's... well, that thing where people shout incoherently on the stake
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lulziest part is that Mocky asked "the same question", got much better answer quicklier. http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/#selection-145.313-145.392 prevails ; and good fucking luck to the "bayesian" hopeful aspies.
mircea_popescu: the exact item im here discussing.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:57 douchebag: mircea_popescu: What makes someone smart enough to be here exactly then?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will be sure to mark the grave of the king gnat separately. it still dies with one flick.
mircea_popescu: pantsuit imbecile of 1700 is lightweight indeed, compare the ineptly ineffectual paintsuitry of cardinal newman with the elaborately effectual (comparatively) idiocy of c s lewis or arthur blair.
asciilifeform: right, but there's 3e9 crains and 1 diderot
asciilifeform: the little was moar % faberge and less ipnoje tho
mircea_popescu: like it or not, people from long ago ~did very little~. however well, good, interesting, whatever it might've been -- they did LITTLE.
mircea_popescu: not really worth much mention. world productivity in the whole 1700s was a good modern quarter.
asciilifeform: dunno, there's still the geologic strata of idjicy from ~18~70s, demoocracies, and 1770s liberte egalite, etc
mircea_popescu: but by now we're cringing at idiocy from the 70s, we're evidently running out.
mircea_popescu: it's true that white man has neglected all things of the mind for a good half century now.
mircea_popescu: so yes, climbs the gradient. the gradient climbs too. the hope, or at least my hope, is that the gradient climbing is self-limiting. in a manner of speaking like cleaning. yes if you neglect doing ANY housework at all, then for an interval the more housework you do, the more housework there is to be done.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, the question is what version of wordpress you are sitting on determines how much massaging you have to do to your database dump. Once MP-WP eats a correctly massaged dump your numbers counts survive and the numbers and human urls both work.
mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: there's a contradictory force. consider what counted as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 just a few brief short years ago.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874993 << BingoBoingo my case was ~specifically~ the one where ~not~ were used from start
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874996 << 1 of the apparent interesting things re btc was, that it seemed to climb the gradient and ~not~ concentrate in hands of idjit
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:23 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the item you want is prolly http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-175.0-175.758 ?
mircea_popescu: then it's fucking broken lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mullenwaggle's wp fork constantly changed the database field structures over the upgrades. How far his version "outran" the fork determines how much massaging the SQL dump is going to need to restore it for sanity
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the item you want is prolly http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-175.0-175.758 ?
mircea_popescu: but in digging for the item you want, ran into http://trilema.com/2013/the-bitcoiners-press-manual/ and http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/ and http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/ and holy shit trilema's a great read.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
mircea_popescu: just, no particular need to expose that to the web.
mircea_popescu: it really doesn't matter, start or no start. the fake directory structure is just an indirection layer, internally articles are still referenced by counts.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
asciilifeform: i am wondering where exactly is the practical diff, b/w that, and '21mn fixed supply' where unknown % is in hands of idjits who can mass dump any day of week
asciilifeform: the one where 'metallists are dumb if they think 'fixed supply', gold asteroid 20 metres diameter could hit any day of the week'
mircea_popescu: free bitcoin!!! the final fronteer! every one of an infinity of tards can have as many as it wants of these 21mn total things!!! OBAMACARE!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 02:52 asciilifeform: tldr : heathen altcoin hash algo which supposedly 'memory hard', but then you look and it only wants 2MB ( and possibly less, with optimizations) -- evidently so that fluffypony or watshisname could use ~his~ seekrit fpga..
asciilifeform: as i see it, it's damn near proof that the shitcoin 'exchange rates' are works of fiction -- 'if this is actually sellable for bitcent/ea., where is fpga ? '
mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
asciilifeform: entirely possible that whole affair is entirely like other spamola, i.e. not actually +ev for anybody
asciilifeform finds it vaguely interesting that js mining is still worth the candles somewhere -- suggests that the shitcoins in question are uninteresting even to fpgaize
asciilifeform: is there even 1 usg www that doesn't have a shitcoin miner js in it yet ?
mircea_popescu: the internet-vs-tv battle rages on, 1993 is but a memory.
asciilifeform: whether trivial lul where door left open or '0day'
mircea_popescu: "cuz you told it to" "but i mean that's not how the web is supposed to work". was a whole mega-wtf, unfathomable depth of disagrement thing
mircea_popescu: maybe the algo-hash thing
trinque: and then maybe we'll get another flood of tits out of it, even, when the 1337 haxor shows up for a month or two.
asciilifeform: i care in that i gotta maintain the thing with own hands, i dun have meat bots.
mircea_popescu: im sure you have just as much childpornyourhonor as the next citizen over.
mircea_popescu: the problems you construct for yourself, i swear.
mircea_popescu: so then what diff does it make lmao.
asciilifeform: cuz i chmodded the contents, lol, to not be writable.
mircea_popescu: nfi why you think you're running php without disk write access, either.
mircea_popescu: no dude. just put the !-f !-d lines in your htaccess. da fuck does it know or care.
asciilifeform: ( possibly this is only the case if there's a set of ~existing~ posts that have old sad scheme, i'ma have to dig )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried.
mircea_popescu: and there's no requirement to auto-edit htaccess, nfi what that is about.
mircea_popescu: see how http://trilema.com/?p=1338 resolves ? there's no url broken with sane scheme. because mp-wp is written for me not for "the web".
mircea_popescu: we discuss this periodically, and it's always coming out the same way -- i show you you're wrong and you mumble something and ignore it.
asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons i haven't taken up mircea_popescu's wp wholesale is 1) i dun wanna break ~any~ urls 2) at same time, i refuse to give wp write access to disk. so that means hand-genning .htaccess, ugh
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 16:35 mircea_popescu: fucking html, ALWAYS this is my experience with it : sink however long you want into making it do what you want it to, then write off that effort and hand-coerce things instead.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 vs http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ ; the thing assumes proper dir-like structure rather than simple GET-overloaded url.
mircea_popescu: all you have to do is edit the main.php or w/e it;'s called, page template. single posts were single.php etc.
asciilifeform: ( it might be possible to make it work correctly from main pg, but the stock one doesn't , aha )
diana_coman: the selection thing? I have it but on posts, not on main
asciilifeform: the selector thingie
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu for the gadget.