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mircea_popescu: o look at the cute tiny netsplit
ben_vulpes: (the domain is both meaningful and follows the rules of domain name selection: be unique in the first chars)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: "if the world were to against all reason smile upon my works" sort of attitude
ben_vulpes: ;;dig therealbitcoin.org
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << i learned recently that 'app' name optimization is a thing that 'consultants' charge for.
ben_vulpes: i actually wanted that for the org url too
assbot: So you want to donate to support Bitcoin? How about donating to the real Bitcoin Foundation instead of Vessennes' scambox? : Bitcoin
cazalla: andreas giving you the high hat or what
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ? << F9 BE B4 D9
cazalla: i watched that the other night, not bad
mircea_popescu: cazalla "No small talk, huh? They shoot your horse?" "f there's any justice..."
cazalla: Autumn Radtke being the bitcoin CEO that jumped out of a building earlier in the year
cazalla: so the horse i bet on in the melb cup, Admire Rakti, fkn died after the race, i picked that horse as the name remember me of Autumn Radtke who also died lol
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the rms ordained distro has a new release https://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-70-lts-belenos
assbot: Court in the /ButterflyLabs case has ordered for some of the co bitcoins to be moved to a court wallet & to be sold: https://t.co/7nxuZcdG7t
BingoBoingo: Oh, we also beat coinfire to the BFL story
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" << ignoring herr lysenko is best done from across an ocean. << the internet is an ocean.
mircea_popescu: people generally are slaves. this holds true irrespective of what the fashionable slavegarb is at any point.
decimation: the stick, for those who are willing to yield, the carrot for those who are willing to eat
decimation: so the anarcho-tyranny that 'upstanding citizens' complain about is really just two sides of the same customer service counter
asciilifeform: seems like they don't make oceans wide enough, any more.
decimation: this guy is strong with the art of troll
decimation: massanutten is kind of a weird retirement area/resort for the wash dc area
asciilifeform 'private key for the confirmatory transaction' << misread as 'the crematory transaction'
mircea_popescu: there's a good reason http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ comes up with "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" or w/e else.
mircea_popescu: you're still depending on it, whether you like it or not.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you agree to move your sustenance to stealing from the government, the government won.
assbot: The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: the part where he says "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority"
mircea_popescu: decimation lemme illustrate the point with a humorous story.
decimation: well, welfare fraud definitely serves some purpose, otherwise usg would 'investigate' it
asciilifeform: ' The order also gives the receiver authorization to convert the bitcoins "to cash on a systematic and reasoned basis."' << brace for waterfall.
decimation: I like how one arm of USG is threating anyone who has touched a bitcoin, while the other arm claims that they could not possibly investigate welfare fraud
joecool: lol at the AKA's
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they keep playing it coy and oh, people.
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah the mob's making a killing with it.
mircea_popescu: punkman hey how does one download the bundle db ?
asciilifeform: but in reality, the place is a miniature r&d laboratory for usg bezzlatronics.
mircea_popescu: the only innovation there is refusing to take them in exchange for the only thing they used to be good for.
mircea_popescu: then REFUSED to take the same in exchange for tax receipts ?
mircea_popescu: you can't sell them to a guy down the street
asciilifeform: what're they redeemable for? veggies at neighbouring tables?
mircea_popescu: they're not redeemable for usd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope, they're not.
asciilifeform: (it blew my mind the other week when i noticed that these were being paid, by many folks in the crowd, with... something quite like actual monopoly money. issued by the state, it turned out, 'vegetable food stamps.' presumably these are redeemable for usd in some dark cellar at city hall.)
asciilifeform: but the point here is, the most humble tomato peddler at my local market - still usg funded.
decimation: of course 99% of farmers prefer to receive usg electronic transfers directly to their accounts
asciilifeform: that is, either works for usg, works for entity funded by usg, or works for a humble physical service (e.g. restaurant, plumber's shop) that is frequented by 1 and 2
decimation: yeah, in the wash dc area it's just a little flatter I guess
asciilifeform: (see the canonical piece by 'last psychiatrics' re: one town where this was demonstrable to the naked eye.)
decimation: lol so the wall street journal op-ed is where one makes usg policy now?
decimation: those kids being the exact objects which the real estate/job-for-life chumpatrons must devour to sustain themselves
decimation: meanwhile they have kids, who also need to eat
decimation: regarding birth, the ironic thing about wash dc is that the majority of these 'burghers' are holding gov't jobs, which are more-or-less sinecures for life
asciilifeform: but there are several categories of inhabitant who don't need money at all
asciilifeform: decimation: every 'burgher' (see mircea_popescu's essay on the subject) - exactly right
decimation: asciilifeform: I added all this up once, and came to the conclusion that every single person in the washington DC area must have an income of >$100k
asciilifeform: the 2k does not include other bezzles. e.g., auto, without which it is flatly impossible to buy edibles much less earn anything
mircea_popescu: well... they ain't got that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unlike europe, the us is very poorly developed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it right re: the massive bezzle gifts, but notice that these aren't really handouts to the plebes - they only get to touch the money and feel warm inside for a few seconds, then they have to give it directly to real estate chumpmeisters or college racket
asciilifeform: (e.g., the 2k i pay landlord is 100% tax-free income for him)
mircea_popescu: now to the massive task of documenting this deedsbot thing.
asciilifeform: the tax breaks mostly subsidize playing in chumpatrons like real estate
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << sounds like a review in itself
mircea_popescu: and where do the relatives get it ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> one can get a nice flat and three fine meals [...] not coughing up any great advances in arts. <<< yes, they are.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ? << scam, he's just one of those rpi based emulators made the chicoms
asciilifeform: if you aren't in the target demographics (not purely 'ethnic', but approximately for most purposes) it may as well be 'macarthur grant' or nobel, for all you'll ever see of it
asciilifeform: decimation: outside of usa, there are misconceptions. it isn't like anyone can just go and sign up for 'welfare.'
decimation: asciilifeform: it is an odd fact that most 'upright' folks in the us would prefer to starve rather than depend on welfare, yet the same folks view their mortgage deductions as a birthright
asciilifeform: neh, the thread was, in some parts of the world one can get the 'three gruels and a cell', but very few of the folks subscribed have shat out anything worth talking about
decimation: of course, there is the 'george boole' problem, as you point out in the comments
decimation: either those who are rich in bezzlars are sitting on their brilliant inventions or the method by which one comes to hold bezzlars has little to do with productive activity
asciilifeform: i suppose ed limonov might be another exception.
asciilifeform: (only exception i know of re: 'not coughing up' was j. k. rowling, author of the children's book 'harry potter.' i wonder if they billed her for the pension retroactively...)
cazalla: mike_c, matters not, sporting an old phone will just get you labelled as a hipster because the 3310 is vintage yo
asciilifeform: ergo, the sponsors are selective about who gets the cell and three gruels. in a very particular way.
asciilifeform: stone cell with three gruels << notice a peculiar fact about various 'advanced' bezzlatron nations where one can get a nice flat and three fine restaurant meals a day. but, for some reason, the occupants of said flats are not coughing up any great advances in sciences, arts.
mike_c: yes, the key to the joke was "the other girls"
cazalla: mike_c, i thought it was the girls that like to impress with their phone, blinged up cases and all
decimation: of course. I feel like I started halfway in though, they keep mentioning his earlier exploits with V weapons and I seem to have missed that
asciilifeform: decimation: notice, 'baron von stierlitz' has the same in his file.
asciilifeform: decimation: so clearly, if you're in the game, that's you.
decimation: asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, is it some kind of inside joke when they go through the 'personnel file' of every high ranking Nazi and they all say exactly the same thing?
mike_c: i guess you can use an iphone to impress the other girls at the party. gotta get a cute cover for it though.
cazalla: mike_c, you can use the appstore and just upload your music, download pics via ftp provided it is broken
asciilifeform: mike_c: the current pNohe is entirely usable without a computer.
asciilifeform: decimation: where i live, they sorta do this already, but gotta be aryan
decimation: asciilifeform: like, if you are unwilling to provide for yourself, the gov't will supply one small stone cell with three gruels per day?
cazalla: ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\
PinkPosixPXE: Then, didn't they like demand 2BTC ?
PinkPosixPXE: I guess some idiots on reddit have to be scam trolls to get their daily income...
asciilifeform: there it is, 'basic income' again
asciilifeform: 'attacking #bitcoin-assets for their comments on reddit, assault against basic income, and other crap' << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ?
mircea_popescu: but everything here is one single person or another.
PinkPosixPXE: perhaps they decided going after 1 person wasn't enough for their e-peen-inflation
PinkPosixPXE: 19:46 #bitcoin-assets: <+ben_vulpes> PinkPosixPXE: did the scriptkiddies getcher aws account? << nope
mircea_popescu: whenever "joe said" is not automatically followed by "oh yea ? and who the fuck is joe ?" the situation is already in the handbasked and moments away from hell.
decimation: mircea_popescu: agreed. as I drive to work, I listen to that french revolution podcast, and they just covered the 'housewife army' that managed to dislodge Louis from Versailles
decimation: yeah, if the NASDP leadership weren't fucktards, they would have put more emphasis on actual intelligence rather than harassing idiots
mircea_popescu: the us worked just fine, and definitely better than the entire rest of the world, BEFORE extending the franchise.
mircea_popescu: be it the peasants in russia, or the derps in nazi germany, whenever the "common man" is taken from under the foot and put on the table trouble soon follows.
mircea_popescu: all you need to have a reign of terror is to empower the bottom of the social hierarchy. it never fails.
decimation: so, really all you need to have a 'reign of terror' is to put a 'suggestion box' in front of the secret police office
decimation: the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism."
decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed the wikipedia describing the NASDP government intelligence 4th department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo "According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[78] Gellately argued that it was because of
PeterL: mircea_popescu: have they stated anything they feel like doing yet?
ben_vulpes: buttcorns again, probably knowing the jackoffs involved.
mircea_popescu: PeterL whatever they feel like, basically.
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: did the scriptkiddies getcher aws account?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The rank is based on the last full month
PeterL: so the bitcoin foundation has an address, what do they do with the donated bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> seems like the logs have been ddos'ed << i see em ?
kakobrekla: and reddit nsa denied the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: and the reddit fbi confirmed.
mircea_popescu: hm so i was just notified by the reddit sec that there's no reddit police
cazalla: PeterL, it was like http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875299 but maybe others want more info, who knows
PeterL: which was just the link?
PeterL: even has the .net
PeterL: I just mean the blog name is exactly the same as the url
cazalla: PeterL, this "they don't have a more interesting name for thier blog", do you know we took almost 2 days to pick the name
decimation: although to be fair, the link to the gpg key is a bit tenuous
kakobrekla: punkbot sell price be their bid
PeterL: have there been private rsa keys linked to extortion?
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/AXiOs9q.png < are they telling me to go elsewhere?
kakobrekla: or else someone comes here, pastes a link he controls, gets the ip from behind cloak
PeterL: and assbot stopped saying the names of linked pages
PeterL: I guess it could get the author from the rss, then compare it against a list of irc nicks?
decimation: seems like the logs have been ddos'ed
kakobrekla: yeah well fuck them
PeterL: it is also pulling the site title from the feed, it is not my fault they don't have a more interesting name for thier blog
mike_c: hard code it. you have to maintain the list of blogs anyway
PeterL: right now it is pulling the author from the rss feed, to get irc nick would be a bit trickier
mircea_popescu: all hail the b-a explorer!
mircea_popescu: "digg decided to shoot itself in the head with web2.0, and reddit was one of the places that allowed child porn back then so here we are, hear us roar!"
mircea_popescu: <fivezerotwo> reddit killed digg, one of the fastest growing tech startups at that time <<< ahahhhaha o gawd.
PeterL: aha, here is the one I was actually looking for: http://xkcd.com/1385/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do newspaper sites still get comments anymore ? << Haven't seen any on the local papers recently, seems to have moved to Topix mostly, aka reddit for the poorer and stupider
PeterL: I never saw the appeal of reddit, it's like having all the inane comments from newspaper sites, but without the article to read
kakobrekla: meh i have put it back on the old box lol
mike_c: not having a reddit account helps me resist the occasional urge to educate them.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> reddit << someone missed the point << yeah, tarddit continues to inhabit this delusion whereby what it thinks and understands matters and is important. for greater lulz!
mircea_popescu: the world is decentralised, so it no longer works!
kakobrekla: ( i have been reading the logs)
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's fucking incredible, the guy's anagram? rly ?! but sig checked out so.
kakobrekla guessed the sum.
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: bitbet is on the new boxen. if there is an emergency you can edit your hosts or wait couple of hours.
PeterL: what happens if the document has more than one line with Title: on it?
ben_vulpes goes back to permutating an api that the clients didn't want to document
ben_vulpes: punkman: what's the story with deed titles?
BingoBoingo: Maybe fivezerotwo waits a few years and he can scrape his ransom out of the deedbot bin?
PeterL: I'm waiting for a bunch to be out there and then I am going to take them all at once
ben_vulpes: who will step forward to claim responsibility for taking the deed faucet booty?
mircea_popescu: 99% of the populace actually are dumb morons.
kakobrekla: 15:31 <fivezerotwo> these people have a world view that 99% of the populance are dumb morons < its not my fault :(
PinkPosixPXE: that was from earlier, but same as the threats you guys are getting, just threw it out there
PinkPosixPXE: essentially the same crap
punkman: mircea_popescu: url bug fixed, and there's the trust-list notification
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got a pointer to where you and nubbins` cut the book deal ?
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2014 00:11:53; asciilifeform: "came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the
punkbot: ben_vulpes: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
mircea_popescu: punkman fatswell is an expert at the wikigame. how to say words that appear like they have substance.
asciilifeform: 'We never pay any-one Dane-geld / No matter how trifling the cost; / For the end of that game is oppression and shame, / And the nation that pays it is lost!"'
punkman: re: merkle tree - maybe in the future where we have 100 deeds per bundle, but it's already a hash tree so...
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: PinkPosixPXE don't knock .net, where else can you combine c-style code with visual basic in the same executable? :D <<< os/x ?
mircea_popescu: what's the rush.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: fivezerotwo wants 2 btc to stop lol <<< guy sounds a lot more like, he'd want to start above the grunt level, doesn't know how to ask but figures (correctly) that no matter how he'd ask he won't get it.
asciilifeform wonders about the value of the pinched sign on the artcoin market
kakobrekla: poppy.< i dunno if poppy is good or bad (imma guess bad) but the diff between word count and reading time is the diff between 'df' and df -h'
asciilifeform: signed posts << incidentally, this - plus a dose of wot - is the final thermonuclear pill against spam.
mircea_popescu: punkman: would qntra like to sponsor a WP plugin that accepts signed posts and puts them in editor's queue? << it's not a bad idea on the face but the truth is that the pipeline is too finnicky and too dependent on handwork for it to be useful. yet.
cazalla: although maybe BingoBoingo's articles have more appeal to the sophisticated Qntra reader
mircea_popescu: qntra doesn't make the news, it just footnotes it!
asciilifeform a believer in 'last psychiatrist's theorem' - 'if yer reading it, it's for you'
mircea_popescu: jurov: i propose if they don't get claimed in 14 days, then they get loaned to coinbr. <<< i think that's how brokers work anyway, minus the 14 days
BingoBoingo: cazalla: kakobrekla is the audience for everything
cazalla: fwiw, i don't think the kakobrekla's and asciilifeform's of this world are the target audience for Qntra
mircea_popescu: it'd be better than the current pretense of "we invented a new, easier one!"
mircea_popescu: bounce: footnotes are a major break in reading flow [...] <<< here's a tip&trick : hover pointer over footnote mark, there's a tooltip that loads it.
asciilifeform: putting footnotes in there so even the clueless can follow may work ? << lol! what next, footnotes for linux kernel so illiterates can understand? bitcoind? lev landau's 'mechanics' ?
mircea_popescu: punkman Sorry, the requested URL 'http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/raw_bundles/1M/1MXeLHi5%00bundle' caused an error: Not found: '/raw_bundles/1M/1MXeLHi5\x00bundle'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seeing how i didn't pay like 10k for the sauce alone, i somehow doubt there was enough in there then
mircea_popescu: and breaking all the fucking browsers as a result.
PeterL: they are still stuck trying to make their websites look like a paper newspaper
PeterL: news doesn't have footnotes because they have not adapted to using the technology yet
mircea_popescu: mike_c: news flash: news doesn't have footnotes. << i dunno, maybe i'm nuts but imo the current solution to the problem of illiterare population (dumb down the news) is maybe not the best. putting footnotes in there so even the clueless can follow may work ?
mircea_popescu: nah, actually, the timestamping is known to be weak.
BingoBoingo: Oh another "if massive mining power, then this had probably been discussed to death before" attack http://bramcohen.com/2014/11/03/an-attack-on-the-timestamp-semantics-of-bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ahhh that was the best salmon in soffran sauce i ever had.
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2014 04:09:06; kakobrekla: there is only non working code atm so stfu.
PeterL: aha, let me know if you get a feed working so I can add it to the bot's list
PinkPosixPXE: hehe nah, I just buy food from the nam's restaurant.. the good ones
kakobrekla: you live in the nam?
kakobrekla: jurov another boxen is cheaper than that :)
PinkPosixPXE: hehe these vps' are for a few other projects as well, but will also meet my irc needs
nubbins`: it's as if there's no stopping us ;0
nubbins`: by using the available tools?!
nubbins`: but how will we generate deeds locally and fund the addresses ourselves if deeds.bitcoin-assets.com is down
PinkPosixPXE: I'm actually in the process of migrating off aws to my beefier vps' with ddos mitigation and the works, but just hadn't done so yet.. didn't know mr. micro penis police was going to decide to pull my pigtails while he sits in his mothers basement..
nubbins`: PinkPosixPXE don't knock .net, where else can you combine c-style code with visual basic in the same executable? :D
punkman: nubbins`: lol base58 is the pita to implement
cazalla: punkman: would qntra like to sponsor a WP plugin that accepts signed posts and puts them in editor's queue? <<< it's an idea but i think we keep process as is atm
nubbins`: <@gmaxwell> nubbins`: Change the hash to get rid of the crazy base58 (pita to implement) in the inner loop and make it a merkle tree so the proof can be compact even with many things commited. And instead of using a private key, use a pay-to-contract https://github.com/Blockstream/contracthashtool
jurov: could only get funnier if he hasked to put the ransom note into a deed
kakobrekla puts more water on the thing.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm having fun with the company though, one day a month I get to feel what it's like to walk around like a drug dealer with $3k-$4k cash in my pocket.
fivezerotwo: punkman, yeah, getting PinkPosixPXE's AWS account suspended first, then moving to assets sites
nubbins`: [R.1] As established in The Bitcoin Public Record, Deed ID 9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj,
nubbins`: now there's a [R.1] in the doc w/ no reference below :S
The20YearIRCloud: But, for the time being that's where we are, it's working for us (kind of).
nubbins`: ah for shame, was just about to post the details in question
The20YearIRCloud: I wouldn't be surprised to see the BOA want to move away in the next year
nubbins`: jurov in fact, that REFERENCE should be amended to point to the foundation charter.
nubbins`: <+jurov> the REFERENCES can't be replaced by definition.. why they must be there? <<< heh
The20YearIRCloud: The bank's telling us we should be able to loan a little under $1mm with our current margins
The20YearIRCloud: Even if they were voting shares it wouldn't change much. Our top 3 shareholders whom account for something like 60% of share ownership are all on the board and agree with where we're headed
fivezerotwo: So we expanded our layer 4 attacking power. Qntra/Trilema, therealbitcoin, bitbet, bitcoin-assets.com... take your pick!
mike_c: well lucky for you they aren't voting shares
mike_c: cool. well if you're not issuing more shares who cares what the price is
The20YearIRCloud: I'm looking by end of year under current system to be paying out around 10-14btc/month in dividends if we don't change the setup. Our last month's payment was something like 5btc
The20YearIRCloud: Divs won't actually go down, they just won't go up
The20YearIRCloud: Especially since the banks right now are offering us 1:5 leverage for each dollar we put into the loans, and that's pretty hard to refuse.
The20YearIRCloud: RIght now we're looking at changing the div pay to reflect higher re-investment in the company
mike_c: is the company building up cash or paying out most free cash flow in divs?
mike_c: The20YearIRCloud: any more ipos coming up?
kakobrekla: if i got the command right anyway
mike_c: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml - see "what is the recommended way to set up my irc nickname" #5 & #6
punkman: no I mean to get a cloak, you need to have an alternate nick grouped in the account
PeterL: so the bot should be logged in under my account?
PinkPosixPXE: so I just kept watching the discussions, and kept up with what was going on
kakobrekla: well color me surprised then.
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